Re: [WSG] any php gurus on list
Hi Marvin, Try removing the closing php tag on the script you are running. Cheers Adam Sent from my iPad On 22 Jan 2012, at 23:42, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: hi. learning php and my sql via a course via http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au, and working my way through some exercises and the php challenges via the wicki versity page. and the lecturers are not back till febuary 6. so, have googled, and googled, and googled, think 50 plus pages, yesterday, and i cannot find an answer to a couple of problems. so, maybe any one in australia, maybe can help me out. a blind it student using the jaws for windows screen reader, and using wamp server 2.2 for windows 7 professional 32 bit, running on a toshiba a 300 satellite laptop. and i do not why i am getting an error, when trying to insert a new record, in a php script, for a my sql database. so, if some one could e-mail me privately off list and help me out. that is one problem, i am banging my head against. the second problem. is did a upload script, and got a image of my self. but i get the white space or end of script error. so maybe can explain the program logic, i need to get student details, display them, then make sure the image is uploaded, then a if then statement to display the image, select a student id and display the information for the student, then delete the id for the student, and the image. so can any one kindly please help me off list. spent most of yesterday trawling through about 50 google pages trying to find the answer to this problem. unless, it needs to go inside my table i created. sorry. this is frustrating me, and do not have three weeks to wait for my lecturers to get back, as plenty of work to do to get and start my major project up and running, which is a blindness site called BlindAid. so if any kind soul, could help me out. not to do it, but to help me how to fix the problems i have outlined above. Marvin. Join My Blind-Aid group at : http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/Blind-Aid To join this group , send a blank message to: blind-aid-subscr...@yahoogroups.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?
http://www.browserstack.com/ On 23/09/2011 17:25, Josh Rose wrote: There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on the development side at least), and don't have any problems. J *From:*li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Janice Schwarz *Sent:* 23 September 2011 15:59 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com mailto:c...@koisis.com wrote: Hello All - I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls. This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these three browsers? If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test different modern flavors of IE. Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working perfectly, I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion. Any guidance greatly appreciated. I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful and only address layout issues, not functionality). -- Janice Schwarz GeekArtist Web Solutions, LLC www.geekartist.com http://www.geekartist.com/ Phone: (214) 731-4733 Twitter:GeekArtist http://twitter.com/geekartist Facebook http://www.facebook.com/GeekArtist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/. This message has been scanned by MailController http://portal2.mailcontroller.co.uk/. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] adobe tools that works well with jaws?
I guess we don't go to boldfish.co.uk for compassion!!! Sent from my iPhone On 24 Aug 2011, at 07:16, Tony Crockford to...@boldfish.co.uk wrote: On 24 Aug 2011, at 01:09, Jay Tanna wrote: You are doing an online course and yet you don't know how to find out what is included in the Web design suite! How about going to Adobe's website and do your own research? You never know this could help you fine tune your research skills. Do we also have to give you the Adobe's website address? I hope not! hth Maybe you'd like to try blindfolded? The clue for the intent of the question is in the Subject. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: Fonts in MS Publisher compared to onlineRe:
I would put it back as an h1 and use css like so:
h1 {
font-weight: normal;
}
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Stuart Foulstone
stu...@bigeasyweb.co.ukwrote:
But then again, how it displays is dependent on the fonts available on the
site visitor's system not what some graphic designer wants.
That's why many graphic designers make poor Web Designers - they can't get
their head round the flexibility that needs to be designed into a Website.
On Tue, September 14, 2010 10:45 am, Lyn Smith wrote:
I have worked it out - it is because it is a Heading - h1. If I
make it a p, it becomes as he wants. I imagine an H1 is more
important to a search engine than a p? :-)
--
Lyn Smith
www.westernwebdesign.com.au
Affordable website design Perth WA
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Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
I really don't see how having seo friendly urls changes things. I would sugest that before you made the seo friendly urls that you may have had .html in the extension so that the validator knew how to validate the page. Perhaps you are missing something similar to: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Nancy Johnson njohnso...@gmail.comwrote: Besides ampersands, I worked on a dynamic site that the convention was to add a (+) sign in the friendly URL. The plug takes the page title and puts the (+) sign between words. The W3C validator tells me to convert to amp; and produces 163 errors per page, a site that validated up to the point of the friendly URL was added. There are also URLs to searches that don't validate for other reasons. I work as part of a team and had no say in the decision. So now, if I ask for help on certain email lists, and all I get is that your page doesn't validate. I no longer get any help for the question I ask which has nothing to do with why the page isn't validating. As more and more pages are generated dynamically with CMS in place, using friendly URL's or using markers as described below, should this be something the the W3C validator addresses? Nancy On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Michal Miksik mmik...@gmail.com wrote: I just had problems with ampersands in google static maps, where if placing multiple pins in 1 map I had to change markers= to amp;markers=, otherwise wouldn't work at all MM On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- -- Ing. Michal Mikšík web designer/developer Bratislava, SLOVAK REPUBLIC Web: http://moonpixel.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. This E-mail is Intended Solely for the Addressee(s) and May be Confidential. - If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has been E-mailed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this E-mail. - Delivery of this E-mail to any person other than the named addressee is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality. - If you have received this E-mail in error please contact the sender or delete the message, thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my final site
Hi Marvin. It is looking good. My only comment would be to remove the br tags which you are using to space elements and instead use css on those elements instead. Cheers Adam On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. well take a look at this site. hopefully it is what everyone has been giving me advice. so hopefully this is the final version. http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[Spam] :Re: More than one H1? (was [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest)
While I agree that you can have several areas of equal importance on a page. I still beg to differ that you would want to saturate the effectiveness of a h1 tag by using it by wrapping it around the logo. It seems to me to be a little like the infamous can you make my logo a little bigger that is requested by the client quite often. Your brand simply has to be recognised - not be the main focus of the page. Content is king here - forget about everything else. Write the content of each page in Microsoft word using the title tags that are provided and then you have a very good basis of how the content should be presented on the web - the rules are the same. In saying this I don't believe in focussing on SEO - no point in getting the search engines find you if you only lose the customer when they come to your site. I always focus on the customer and the information they want to find. Customer Optimisation will always pay off much more than SEO can ever dream of - 1 qualified customers is much better than 100 non qualified. I know this has deviated a lot from the original question but I feel it has relevance - ask yourself some basic questions, write the content and then look at the semantics that best fit. Again the logo is usually only the most important thing to the owner - not the customer - the customer will recognise if they are on the right site or not. Cheers Adam. P.S written from Thailand after a couple too many afternoon beers. c...@fagandesign.com.au wrote: Thanks for your responses... Why use more than one H1? Simple...2 areas of the page that are of equal importance. Why should it only be one? I understand the simplicity of focusing on one area of each page and the impact that could have in search resultsbut that that doesn't entirely relate to semantic structure. Is it not entirely plausible/acceptable to have 2 equally important area of the page? I feel the logo is very important. It is, in theory, the first thing people notice on a site and the single most important bit of branding. I understand also that a H1 is important to search engines indexingbut I'm yet to see/read/hear of any solid information that suggests Google (in particular) degrade the rank of your site based on the existence of more than one H1. Quoting Yuval Ararat yara...@gmail.com: Its not specified any where that a single H1 is the right approach. SEO guys have found that google search engine tends to read the H1 as the main subject and decided to punish any page with more then one. the punishment is not severe so not every one of the major sites obey. In HTML 5 there is a huge discussion about the header taghttp://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/header.html#headerand http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/header.html#header%3Eand the existance of h1 inside of it. my take is that this will not catch and only google and bing indexing will set the way they want to structure of pages to be. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, c...@fagandesign.com.au wrote: Hi all, have come across something that I'm sure has come up before... Have created a new site with the logo wrapped in a H1 tag. The title of each page is also a H1. Just got word back from an outsourced SEO expert who says it's probably better if there was only one H1 on each page. Does anyone know of any online resources backing up this theory? I don't think it's a huge SEO concern at all but the signature on my return email doesn't have SEO expert on it. Many thanks. Christian Fagan Fagan Design fagandesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
h1 tags are very important to the seo on each of your pages. If you think about the theme of each page is your logo really one of the most important elements on the page (according to the visitor and also to the search engines). I personally advise not using h1 for logos. Each page on your site should have a clear theme - i.e focus on one area and as such this should lead you to having just 1 H1 tag with your keyword for that page in it. You can have more than 1 h1 tag but I would carefully consider why? Cheers Adam c...@fagandesign.com.au wrote: Hi all, have come across something that I'm sure has come up before... Have created a new site with the logo wrapped in a H1 tag. The title of each page is also a H1. Just got word back from an outsourced SEO expert who says it's probably better if there was only one H1 on each page. Does anyone know of any online resources backing up this theory? I don't think it's a huge SEO concern at all but the signature on my return email doesn't have SEO expert on it. Many thanks. Christian Fagan Fagan Design fagandesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered list start value
I would try using css to hide the starting li's - that way it will just display the li's that you want with the correct number showing. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Phil Archer Sent: 28 September 2009 14:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value As I understand it, I'm afraid there is no way to do this in XHTML. I've wanted to do the same before now and I don't think you can (whilst remaining valid). If someone does know a technique that works, I'd be interested too. Phil. T. R. Valentine wrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] SPRI accesibility
Magento by default uses javascript for its one page checkout. However you can easily turn this off and use a more traditional checkout procedure. Also, magento is an ecommerce framework allowing you to change anything that you like. The comment that it relies on javascript is only true by its default settings - in fact it would be very easy to detect if javascript was available ad if not provide an alternative checkout path. My 2c worth as an Magento Enterprise Partner ;) Adam -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stephenson Sent: 08 June 2009 11:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SPRI accesibility I'd have thought the biggest issue with Magento accessibility is it's reliance on JavaScript for the checkout process? It's impossible to order anything without JS enabled. Although I'm not sure that is such an issue with WCAG 2. Anyone else know? Rich Checkpoint 9.5 - Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those in client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form controls. [Priority 3] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] SPRI accesibility
Further to my last comment. The theming in Magento is very powerful and allows you to do anything that you would like to / need to. Take the time to learn it (there is a lot to learn) and you will see that you are not limited in any way as to what you can do. Cheers Adam -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 08 June 2009 10:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] SPRI accesibility Anybody familiar with SPRI accessibility from Spain? Is this something similar to Section 508 in US, DDA of Australia and UK? I want to assist a customer who purchased my Magento theme whose client requires website be conformance with SPRI, but she didn't tell me any info regarding SPRI and what priorities are to be conformance with and I can't read Spanish. I am presuming that it's not likely that entire site needs to meet all three priorities per the SPRI requirement yet I couldn't get any info from her. My assumption is, she is clueless as well. The theme she purchased meets priority 2 except E823 [WAI 3.5 (AA)] Nest headings properly which I don't think important and it's quite impossible to fix this in a template driven eCommerce site or a blog (just look at all WordPress blogs, you know what I meant). Likely pass most checkpoint in priority 3 but I never run the validation on priority 3 for Magento sites I built. It appears that her client bases the accessibility check solely on the errors validator found. And this is the validator they use. ttp://www.sidar.org/hera/index.php.en In that site, there are three 3 priority checkpoints failed which I think are judgement call - this is just the homepage, likely more errors to be found in other pages. Checkpoint 9.5 - Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those in client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form controls. [Priority 3] Checkpoint 10.4Until user agents handle empty controls correctly, include default, place-holding characters in edit boxes and text areas. [Priority 3] Checkpoint 10.5 Until user agents (including assistive technologies) render adjacent links distinctly, include non-link, printable characters (surrounded by spaces) between adjacent links. [Priority 3] tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Span within a li
li.item361 span {
background: red;
}
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Simon Josephson
Sent: 11 May 2009 15:33
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Span within a li
hi guys
I am stumped with this - I have a menu list that is generated out of a
database; the menu has several items and each has a 'class' attribute
that reflects the item id, thus:
---
div id=left
div class=moduletablemain_er
ul class=menu
li id=current class=active item1
/li
li class=item361
a href=/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=222Itemid=361
span. Who Are We/span
/a
/li
li class=item111
a href=/index.php?option=com_sectionexview=categoryid=1Itemid=111
spanRecent News/span
/a
/li
li class=item359
/li
etc etc
Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to style... JUST the li class
of item361 (the reference '361' is to a document and remains
static)... the span of the li to . Who Are We?
Just the span within the li class item361. Is it possible?
Note... only the 'item361'; not item111 or item359, nor 'current'.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Simon
a...@work
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Re: [WSG] E-commerce
I will be releasing my own web standards cms, crm and ecommerce solution shortly - it is powering www.tweakmag.com (a magento community site - not finished yet). As I own (part) a Platinum Magento Partner (www.ontapcreative.com) I am happy to add a vote for magento, however for simpler solutions - www.tradingeye.com Cheers Adam Cal Wilson wrote: http://shopify.com -- Cal Wilson c...@oxygenkiosk.com Phone: 0404 449 464 Web: http://oxygenkiosk.com On 26/02/2009, at 4:27 PM, Kevin Erickson wrote: Hi, Does anyone have input on what is a good Web standards e-commerce solution? Thanks, Kevin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1969 - Release Date: 2/24/2009 6:43 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE and the button element
Agree. It is very easy to style the anchor element. Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote: Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code. I will definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical to me that there should be such a thing as a button, which can exist outside a form, which has an HREF attribute or can be wrapped in an anchor. Why? All you need do is style the anchor element. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Copyright Issues
Copyright has nothing to do with profit Diana Castillo wrote: Anyway, as it is just a student's work, I don't think that counts as a profit site, doesn't it? 2009/2/17 James Milligan lak...@lake54.com mailto:lak...@lake54.com What about coming up with your own?Not meaning to sound rude, but it could be an opportunity for you. Juts an idea James On 17 Feb 2009, at 10:20, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com mailto:startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. doing a fruit and veg site, and now asked for permission to use recipes from Delia smith, Jamie Oliver, Nigella Lawson. but no success, and not able to use their recipies from their sites for my own site. part of my site, was a recipies page, with about 6 recipies. now, would like to put this site online, but my question is: what vegetable recpies and legal and free, and which people to approach to get permission. any ideas, or pointers. got permission to use images, which i found on google from the owners. and will put a credits links, and a page, next to my copyright page on this site. any one got any ideas, this is the last piece of the current site and student web project, which i want to upload online. but do not want to be prosecuted for copyright infringement in australia. so doing the right thing and getting permission. before uploading this site. any ideas. or maybe e-mail me off list if necessary. cheers Marvin. E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com mailto:startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com mailto:sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com mailto:startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com mailto:sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Opera Targeting?!
I do not use conditional comments myself as I have coded a css parser to
handle all these differences... but anyhow.. you could try and get Opera
looking correct and then use conditional comments as needed for the
other browsers. Just a suggestion, I am sure others here will know how
to target using conditional comments.
For those that are interested, my parser works like the following:
/* Firefox
h1 {
color: red;
}
*/
/* Opera
h1 {
color: blue
}
*/
So it will render as it detects and finds matches, it can match any
combination of OS, browser and version, for example:
/* Safari p {color: blue;} */
/* Firefox 2 p {color: red;} */
/* Opera 9.10 Win p {color: pink; }*/
No more hacks or conditional statements for me. And no more problems
like Brett is having :)
Brett Patterson wrote:
Hello All,
I am in the process of working on my portfolio. It is not complete
yet, but one problem with my navigation menu on the top exists.
Although it is a minor pixel alignment in Opera, I cannot, for the
life of me, figure out why only Opera is aligning my tabs (which are
the top part of my navigation) 1px above the bottom border. If my site
is visited in Firefox or Internet Explorer first, you can see that
everything aligns perfectly. Is there a way to target Opera
specifically? I have used conditional comments, including !--[if
IE]!-- to !--[if NN]!--.
My site can be seen at
http://ttcharriman.edu/TTCH07/iftprojects/brettpatterson/index.html
Can anyone help, please?
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Brett P.
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Re: [WSG] lining up in different browsers
Isn't copyRgt based on layout as well?? Also to be more semantic -
copyRight would be better if you were to name that way.
Ricci Angela wrote:
Hi, Designer
Just a thought: why don't you give names like
mainMenu and copyRgt (semantic) to your classes instead of names
based on layout?
Angela
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Angela RICCI
web designer
*De :* li...@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *De la part de* hariharan k
*Envoyé :* jeudi 22 janvier 2009 15:12
*À :* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Objet :* Re: [WSG] lining up in different browsers
Hi,
Can you try by this,
div id=footer
span class=lefta href=core/core.html
main menu
/a/span
span class=rightweb site Copyright ©
a href=http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk; class=newwin
target=_blank title=opens in new window
Gwelanmor Internet 2009
/a
/span
/div
style
#footer {
border-top : 1px solid #aaa;
font-size : 90%;
height : 30px;
padding : 5px 0px;
}
.right { float:right}
.left { float:left}
#footer span{}
#footer a:link { color : #930; text-decoration : none;}
#footer a:hover { color : #F00; background : #fff; text-decoration
: underline;}
/style
By,
Hariharan
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM, designer
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
mailto:desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote:
I want to line up two links at either side of a horizontal bar. The
html is as follows:
div id=footer
a href=core/core.html
main menu
/a
span class=rightweb site Copyright ©
a href=http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk; class=newwin
target=_blank title=opens in new window
Gwelanmor Internet 2009
/a
/span
/div
(class=right just floats it to the right, of course)
and the css is:
#footer {
border-top : 1px solid #aaa;
font-size : 90%;
height : 30px;
padding : 5px 0px;
}
#footer a:link { color : #930; text-decoration : none;}
#footer a:hover { color : #F00; background : #fff; text-decoration
: underline;}
with an IE6 conditional comment:
#footer span{position : relative; top : -15px;}
However, whilst it solves the problem of alignment for IE, safari and
Opera fail miserably. I cannot find a documented method of doing
this, but I'm sure one of you wizards have done it already?
Any help gratefully recd, as usual.
Bob
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Re: [WSG] Blockquote
Yes I don't think this is the place to ask advise on illegal matters. Scraping content from websites that you do not have permission from is copyright infringement. The fact that you don't want to cite the original source inidcates to me that you are building this site for some financial gain - whether that is to get exposure, advertising revenue or other means. Respect the content owners, ask for their permission to use the content!! - Original Message - From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote James Jeffery wrote: Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it. I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the orig. page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am mirroring/scraping/*stealing* quotes from certain sites. Hence why I do not want to cite the original site. I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying that your are infringing on copyright and are worried that citing the source will get you caught? If so, you're trying to solve the wrong problem and should be seeking to license the content or otherwise use it within the constraints of the law. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Blockquote
last comment I will make on the matter - but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... nor does the media that you use.. the Internet still operates within the laws of the country where you conduct business. James Jeffery wrote: This is the Internet mate, the site owners of the sites I'm to be scraping use the same methods. If I was to cite that site it would be wrong anyway because they don't even own all the content. If there is a financial gain, why sit back and let someone else gain from it? I know a guy that does the same with a lyrics site and makes roughly £14,000 a year in Adsense. It has to be done. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Adam Martin ajmartin.nz http://ajmartin.nz@gmail.com http://gmail.com wrote: Yes I don't think this is the place to ask advise on illegal matters. Scraping content from websites that you do not have permission from is copyright infringement. The fact that you don't want to cite the original source inidcates to me that you are building this site for some financial gain - whether that is to get exposure, advertising revenue or other means. Respect the content owners, ask for their permission to use the content!! - Original Message - From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk mailto:da...@dorward.me.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote James Jeffery wrote: Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it. I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the orig. page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am mirroring/scraping/*stealing* quotes from certain sites. Hence why I do not want to cite the original site. I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying that your are infringing on copyright and are worried that citing the source will get you caught? If so, you're trying to solve the wrong problem and should be seeking to license the content or otherwise use it within the constraints of the law. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] contentEditable
The issue with this approach is that it is not part of a form - so the only way to submit it will be too use javascript which is an issue if javascript is not enabled. - Original Message - From: Robin Gorry To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [WSG] contentEditable I am putting together an in-house application and I want to have editable areas on html template. I have come across what I think is a de facto standard across most browsers and that is the contentEdiatble attribute. I have tested it and it works in ff3, ie6 +, opera 9.52, windows safari 3.1.2. Has anyone had any experience or problems with using this attribute? Here is the code if anyone would like to test. !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 titleUntitled Document/title /head body div contentEditable this is my editable div (or is it) /div /body /html Any comments would be most welcome. Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions Xplore.net Website of the Week: Weleda (Australia) - www.weleda.com.au Weleda has a range of anthroposophic medicine - the simple yet powerful way to utilise nature's medicines to stimulate the body to 'heal itself'. Until recently their website did not accurately reflect their brand and they had no easy way to profile their product range to their Australian consumers. The new Weleda website is powered by the Xsite content manager, Xforms, Xshop, Xmembers and Xtend. Combined, this powerful toolset enables Weleda staff to add/edit/delete pages, text and imagery throughout their site, create online forms and surveys, provide an online product catalogue and issue logins to restricted access areas on their website. f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Copycat site
...and this is related to web standards how? I don't mind these posts - but please mark them [OT] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: [WSG] Copycat site This is the first time I've come across such an occurence naturally in the online world. I'm sure it happens all the time - this one seems just blatant to the point of having the same tabs in the navigation www.foryoung.com COPY OF www.webdesignerwall.com ___ Christian Fagan Fagan Design fagandesign.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???
Hey guys... it is great that talk about accessibility and chrome has been raised - but I do think that we need to wait until it is out of beta. Cheers Adam - Original Message - From: James Jeffery To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon??? Just got chrome on my XP machine. Looks good but I am concerned about accessibility. Again, thanks Steve. James Jeffery On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:19 PM, kevin erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the report Steve. It was very helpful!! kevin On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:23:15 -0400, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is the case. There has been a lot of talk about this in GAWDS, and Steve Faulkner has written about it at http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=92. Basically it looks like there's no MSAA support. If they don't address this, many large organisations (at least in the UK) will not use it. I imagine that such organisations are exactly the people Google are expecting to build applications using Chrome, so hopefully this will be addressed at some point, ideally before it comes out of beta. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin erickson Sent: 03 September 2008 16:07 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon??? I have a huge concern about accessibility here. Apparently Jaws and other screen readers don't work on Google Chrome at all. Can others please confirm? kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] [OT] London England Group Members
Hi Guys, I am heading over to London for around 3months (hopefully) at the end of September - would love to catch up with some developers / designers while I am there. Contact me off list if you like a few quiets over web discussions. Cheers Adam *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
I am a pretty active magento developer and highly recommend it as well.. but it really only suits those clients whose whole site is an ecommerce solution. For example, take a look at a client of mine - julesroc.com.au I am working on a custom solution that allows ecommerce to be a part of a clients website. So the first question I would be asking is what are the needs of the client. A complete ecommerce solution or an ecommerce component within their site. Cheers Adam magento user: tweakmag - Original Message - From: 8bits Media To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what I think it would be worth your while to go and check out Magento - http://www.magentocommerce.com/ The makers of this product have done a great job of making it standards compliant, as well as very usable. We're in the process of integrating it into a new project. Regards, Nick 8bits Media On 13 Aug 2008, at 16:39, Lynette Smith wrote: Do the free [shopping carts] (such as ZenCart and OsCommerce) do an adequate job ? My friend populated the shop at the time because he was savvy with Photoshop and could do all the image work himself. But you could as well end up doing that too if your client hasn't that knowledge. That's what I am afraid of. I think you should weigh your time vs. the fee your colleague charges. You might want to learn ZenCart or another eCommerce solution so you can do it in the future. Thanks, Jens - will re-think if a cart is really necessary. Kind regards Lyn *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
I agree... you get what you pay for. $500 is nothing. I know that I have spent about 500hrs in building my integrated ecomerce solution - but it has been well thought out - it is stds compliant etc etc. I would suggest having a look at shopify if you want a cheap basic but good ecommerce solution - Original Message - From: Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what $500 for a custom job that, done properly, would be a couple of days work at least for an experienced developer sounds pretty cheap to me... That's half my day rate Joe On Aug 13, 2008, at 11:15, Jason Pruim wrote: On Aug 13, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Lynette Smith wrote: Have always avoided doing sites that needed a shopping cart but a new client will need one. I would appreciate some advice. Do the free ones (such as ZenCart and OsCommerce) do an adequate job or would I be better off advising my client to go for a paid one. I have a colleague who does custom-designed ones and I would be looking at about a minimum of $500. The second question is who does what? Once I have the cart (either a downloaded free one or a custom one) and it is uploaded to the website, who inputs the products etc? I imagine the client would need to be shown how to do this? What is the usual procedure? Thanks. Hi Lyn, Don't have much to offer, but just wanted to let you know I looked into a custom cart awhile back for a job that never went through, but the cart was going to cost around $500 by the time it was ready. So while it seems like alot of money, it's probably a decent deal. Just my 2¢ :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
Hi Joe, I will be putting it out into the wild in a few weeks - just putting the final touches on it now. Cheers Adam - Original Message - From: Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what which one is yours Martin? can I see an example? I have a client looking for one right now... might custom build bits, might not Joe On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:05, Adam Martin wrote: I agree... you get what you pay for. $500 is nothing. I know that I have spent about 500hrs in building my integrated ecomerce solution - but it has been well thought out - it is stds compliant etc etc. I would suggest having a look at shopify if you want a cheap basic but good ecommerce solution - Original Message - From: Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what $500 for a custom job that, done properly, would be a couple of days work at least for an experienced developer sounds pretty cheap to me... That's half my day rate Joe On Aug 13, 2008, at 11:15, Jason Pruim wrote: On Aug 13, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Lynette Smith wrote: Have always avoided doing sites that needed a shopping cart but a new client will need one. I would appreciate some advice. Do the free ones (such as ZenCart and OsCommerce) do an adequate job or would I be better off advising my client to go for a paid one. I have a colleague who does custom-designed ones and I would be looking at about a minimum of $500. The second question is who does what? Once I have the cart (either a downloaded free one or a custom one) and it is uploaded to the website, who inputs the products etc? I imagine the client would need to be shown how to do this? What is the usual procedure? Thanks. Hi Lyn, Don't have much to offer, but just wanted to let you know I looked into a custom cart awhile back for a job that never went through, but the cart was going to cost around $500 by the time it was ready. So while it seems like alot of money, it's probably a decent deal. Just my 2¢ :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 11287 James St Holland, MI 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what
I will be looking for web standard group members to try my cms / ecommerce custom solution. Please email me off the list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if you are interested. If you could also tell me your background in regards to developing / designing web apps. Cheers. Adam P.S mine is one of those rare out-of-the-box standards system. - Original Message - From: Ian Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:28 AM Subject: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what Talking about this or that shopping cart may be a long way off topic for this place; but the underlying question is so similar to one a raised a few weeks ago (re PHP libraries) I will step in again. Our focus here should be web standards; the problem is that sometimes the tools or systems we use may make it difficult to live the dream and all too often spacer gifs, font tags and layout tables leap in to view because of this or that poor template which allows such nastiness to clutter our clean pages. The purist in me tends to avoid such tools and software; but the pragmatist; you know, the one who has to earn a living sometimes needs to learn who to make these tools to the web standards thing. It would be really nice it such software came with a sticker, either; [1]Not standards based, loves tables too much - Avoid [2]Can be standards based but needs work - May be painful [3]Creates standard code out of the box. - Rare and hard to find. If anybody is likely to collect a list of tools and software that can (or can be made to) deliver standards based content, it should be us; any idea how we could list and share? just a thought Ian *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings
I totally agree which is why I arose the subject in the first place. A person interested in the building standards shouldn't expect the building standards group to tell them how to use a hammer. Same goes here. - Original Message - From: Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings I have no problem with elementary questions about Web standards. But there are perhaps too many posts about how to write basic HTML mark-up and elementary CSS. This is especially true when the 'poster' has apparently not even tried to validate it (and, therefore, not seriously tried to solve the problem themselves). Should we not, at least, expect a list contributor to know the basics of HTML and CSS, for example. At the other end of the scale, there are sometimes posts which seem to be more about how to 'work around' Web standards to achieve a particular design rather than DESIGN to Web Standards in the first place (usually a knock-on effect due to graphic designers pretending to be Web designers). On Tue, August 5, 2008 10:00 pm, Jody Tate wrote: I'm a lurker on the list, but primarily because the list, so far, has seemed like a place where people come for help solving specific, remedial problems with long-standing (in internet-time) solutions well-documented on the internet and in books. On 8/5/08 11:10 AM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would like to know what a list on any subject is for if not for helping people understand the most basic principles and application of a give practice. A list on any topic must embrace all level of participants, beginners and advanced, alike. If we think of the list as a classroom, a teaching environment, then it's standard practice to have separate beginning, advanced, etc. classes. At the university level, for example (in the US), classes at the 100 level tackle different issues than classes at the 200, 300 and 400 level. A list on a topic isn't required to embrace all levels of expertise. I've participated in many mailings lists where some requests for basic help were considered off-topic. Requests for help when answers can be found by via searches or reading books were often seen as inappropriate. I'd advocate (at the risk of sounding snobby), as some have suggested, for different lists--one to accommodate beginners and another to accommodate other developers interested, not in help with standards, but in the standards themselves. Anyone who thinks a list about web standards should not first have as its mission to teach and clarify the basics of the tools of standardization, such as CSS, is mistaken. Unless expressly stated, a list must cater to the lowest common denominator of its participants, not the highest. By doing so, those on the bottom are lifted up, instead of always being pushed down and kept in the dark. To think a list about web standards doesn't need to have teaching as its first mission is not mistaken, it's considering that a different goal or multiple goals might be acceptable. Web standards are not new, though they may be new to some list users. Teaching can be a function, but if helping others with the basics is its sole function, as it's becoming here, it neglects another portion of the list's members, those who have been using web standards since their inception and hope to have extended discussions about, for example, XHTML vs. HTML5, CSS3, current and upcoming browser implementation of standards, emerging standards and so on. -jody -- Jody Tate http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list
Sorry to come across blunt - but I don't think the web standards group is meant to be a teacher of css. Great that people on here are wanting to learn. But there are plenty of other places dedicated to these sort of things. - Original Message - From: Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list In playing I've found using the relative positioning working pretty good for me. Is it just a matter of personal preference what I use then? Thanks for the article I really haven't understood negative margins. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 David Hucklesby wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:32:16 -0400, Michael Horowitz wrote: The live page is horowitzfamily.net. I'm just learning positioning and this seemed to work. The issue as mentioned earlier was transparency in my image. however I am just learning to do css without tables and really don't know what I should be doing for positioning. Quite honestly in hacking around this worked. I'll be happy to get feedback on better techniques for the future CSS gives you a lot of options for positioning elements on a page. As with all design issues, the best choice is usually a compromise, depending on what you want to achieve. My first choice for positioning elements is often to use margins - including negative margins on occasion. See this CommunityMX article for more: http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=b0029 Hope this helps. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] 100% height over existing page
The easiest way would be to have an entry page instead. On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Seona Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I need to create an absolutely positioned div that will float on top of the existing page layout, and be 100% of the height of the rendered page, not the viewport. Something similar to what Lightbox does - greying out the page and displaying a box over it. The trouble is, because it's to display some legal stuff (of the this site contains medical information that some people might find offensive or disturbing variety) I don't want to use Lightbox (or any of its variants) because it relies on JavaScript. Anyone who doesn't have JS simply won't see the warning and that just doesn't seem like a good idea. I've had no trouble making the div that sits on top of everything extend to the height of the viewport, but if the page extends beyond that then you see normal (and clickable) page as soon as you scroll. Don't want that, if possible. Does anyone have any idea of the most reasonable way to do this? I want to try and give the full experience to as many as possible. Cheers, Seona. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard
There are no limitations with Magento when it comes to templates / layout etc. So you could easily implement hcard. Cheers Adam (www.tweakmag.com) tee wrote: In Magento, they use address.../address for customer address. It lacks flexibility for styling as I can't have other html tags place inside the address tag. I wonder if there is a semantical way to do it and that it produces no validation error. Also, if any of you have started developing sites in Magento, do you know if I can incorporate Microformat hcard easily? Many thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Agree... but if you are wrapping it in a block element so that you can
position it etc... then it is easier just to change its properties via
css to act like a block element. No need for extra markup.
Stuart Foulstone wrote:
But, CSS changes presentation - displaying something as block doesn't
stop it being an inline element, just it's presentation.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 11:18 pm, Adam Martin wrote:
img is only an inline element by default. Some simple css fixes that. An
inline element does not have to be contained in a block level element at
all!
img {
display: block
}
Kroon.Kurtis wrote:
I'm not top-posting
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... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only
holding an image, then there is no need for the surrounding p tag.
--Matt
... see what www.alistapart.com is now using --Roxanne
... beginning to think [a plain] html image tag would be better suited
to mark-up a company logo --Chris
... I already blogged that. --Jason
... only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the h1. As
you move through the site, the h1 should shift to the more specific top
heading on the page - on a category/index page it would be that
category's name; on a specific content page it should be the headline on
the content. --Ben
... fwiw, I don't see it that way. A web site is not a book, there is no
cover. People can visit pages in a site without ever going through the
home page. --Thierry
... etc.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this ... but img is an inline
element.
So, it has to be contained in a block-level element, like p, h#, div,
etc.
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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
img is only an inline element by default. Some simple css fixes that. An
inline element does not have to be contained in a block level element at
all!
img {
display: block
}
Kroon.Kurtis wrote:
I'm not top-posting
-Original Message-
From: Miscellaneous
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only holding an
image, then there is no need for the surrounding p tag. --Matt
... see what www.alistapart.com is now using --Roxanne
... beginning to think [a plain] html image tag would be better suited to
mark-up a company logo --Chris
... I already blogged that. --Jason
... only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the h1. As you move
through the site, the h1 should shift to the more specific top heading on the
page - on a category/index page it would be that category's name; on a specific
content page it should be the headline on the content. --Ben
... fwiw, I don't see it that way. A web site is not a book, there is no cover.
People can visit pages in a site without ever going through the home page.
--Thierry
... etc.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this ... but img is an inline element.
So, it has to be contained in a block-level element, like p, h#, div, etc.
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Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I would personally not be using a p tag too hold the logo? Why would you want too? you can position as you want without the need for extra markup. img src=logo.png alt=My company logo width=150px height=300px id=logo / - that makes it pretty obvious. of course if you only have 1 image in the header then you don't need the id either. Semantically I don't think it needs to be in any other tags at all. I think if people start think UO rather than SEO then the answers to most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the other day - UO = user optimisation. Cheers Adam Rick Lecoat wrote: On 29 May 2008, at 05:32, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: We used to have lots of logos in h1s too, and after a thorough SEO discussion we changed that to a p. Out of curiosity, is a logo img at the top of the page more semantically correct when wrapped in a p than when it's just on it's own (ie. not wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' div)? -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
I intend too - as of tomorrow I am officially unemployed and working on launching my new business www.internetconsultants.com.au (site not even close too completion). Mark Harris wrote: Adam Martin wrote: I think if people start think UO rather than SEO then the answers to most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the other day - UO = user optimisation. How excellent! I'm sure we can build a whole consulting industry around that! ;-) cheers mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Just put a clear both on the footer,
i.e
#footer {
}
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Hey all,
I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of
three, basically like this:
table
tr
td colspan=3header/td
/tr
tr
tdstuff/td
tdthe most stuff/td
tdstuff/td
/tr
tr
td colspan=3footer/td
/tr
table
On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content;
..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled the most
stuff.
The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more
content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main
content row.
This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has
the problem on both Linux and Windows.
Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated.
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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
Sorry pushed return to quickly
#footer {
clear: both;
}
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Skip Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey all,
I have a table set up with a main content cell in the center column of
three, basically like this:
table
tr
td colspan=3header/td
/tr
tr
tdstuff/td
tdthe most stuff/td
tdstuff/td
/tr
tr
td colspan=3footer/td
/tr
table
On the server side I build a content page and user innerHMTL=content;
..in JS code to insert the content into the column labeled the most
stuff.
The problem is when that column has less content, and then shifts to more
content the latter part of the content runs over the footer below the main
content row.
This is ONLY happening in Firefox, IE on windows works fine. Firefox has
the problem on both Linux and Windows.
Any help would greatly, greatly appreciated.
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Re: [WSG] accessibility/usability in a poll: check a radio button when focusing on a text input field
If you didn't want to use JS at all - you could put some basic logic in the action script that processes the form. If the user wrote something in the other option, then it is pretty simple to simply change the radiobutton values accordingly before doing final processing (like emailing to the admin). JS should always be an enhancement :) Cheers Adam On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Julián Landerreche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Probably this can't be done without (unobstrusive) Javascript. In simple polls, sometimes there is an Other option that is also provided with a text input so visitors can give some feedback on this other option. Like this: ( ) Option 1 (o) Option 2 ( ) Option 3 ( ) Other: [ I prefer this option because... ] The problem is: In that example, the user has filled in the text input on the Other option, but the selected radio is still the Option 2 So, when the user focus/clicks directly on the text input field, the corresponding radio button (Other) isn't selected. Then, he submits the poll, but because he didn't choose the Other option, he really didn't submit the option he thought he has chosen. The desired behavior (selecting the Other radio button when focusing on the text input field) will probably be easily achievable with some JS, right? But here I am, asking to this list if you know a better approach to this issue. Thanks. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a question concering shopping cart function (somewhat usability issue I think)
I would also like to add that staying on the page when adding a product to the cart is quite likely going to use javascript (aka ajax) to add the product to the cart and inform the user that the item has been added. This obviously has both usability and accessibility issues. I think Magento's approach is pretty standard and what the user expects. The idea that by taking someone to the cart will stop them shopping is in my opinion very flawed. In fact, i would argue in the opposite - in that if the customer merrily puts item in the cart - they will then get a shock when they do get too see the cart.. and give up. Great work magento is doing... I have been playing with it since day 1. Adam Tweakmag.com Andrew Maben wrote: On May 21, 2008, at 3:44 AM, walied yossry wrote: In such a situation, either the user(buyer) added something to the shopping cart, and still wants to add some other stuff, we will call this case A, or the user(buyer) just wanted this single item case B. I think in either case a user needs confirmation that the selected item has indeed been added to the cart. Redirection to the cart page is probably the easiest (from a development perspective) and most reassuring (from a user perspective). I'd suggest that if you're going to stay on the shopping page then the user needs to see a message to the effect that Item X has been added to your cart with a Checkout link, and possibly even a list of all items in the cart - and even so a number of users are likely to take a side trip to the cart page to make sure, at least for the first purchase. Levels of trust in e-commerce remain low (sorry, no citations) so it's still very important to provide reassurance at every step. Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a question concering shopping cart function (somewhat usability issue I think)
I have no success in selling accessibility when I try to find clients, nobody buys it, so whatever extra care I make for accessibility is from me, free of charge Accessibility is really not that difficult to put in place - I also believe as professionals providing web design / development services that this should not be an addon that we charge but part of what the client should expect too get - imagine a builder charging you to make your house compliant. :) I have a strong belief that here in Australia a lot of websites are going to be tested on discrimination grounds - do you want to be the one bearing this as the provider? Cheers Adam On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 21, 2008, at 4:48 AM, Adam Martin wrote: I would also like to add that staying on the page when adding a product to the cart is quite likely going to use javascript (aka ajax) to add the product to the cart and inform the user that the item has been added. This obviously has both usability and accessibility issues. Hi Adam, just learned that I can easily switch on/off from the configuration, and the js validation has already in place. The transition of how the message shows up isn't very smooth (jumpy!) when the product to add to cart isn't at the top of the page. I will try talk client out of it, my worry is that this is not a client who cares about people using other UA except the common browsers. I have no success in selling accessibility when I try to find clients, nobody buys it, so whatever extra care I make for accessibility is from me, free of charge, that I have not found anybody appreciate it except people from this list :-) Such is a reality. I think Magento's approach is pretty standard and what the user expects. The idea that by taking someone to the cart will stop them shopping is in my opinion very flawed. In fact, i would argue in the opposite - in that if the customer merrily puts item in the cart - they will then get a shock when they do get too see the cart.. and give up. Great work magento is doing... I have been playing with it since day 1. Same here. There were times (in beta) I regretted being jumping in too early for this software, however, as the site's launch date gets closer, I feel that I have after all made a great choice talking client into waiting this long - I'd been building this site since day 1. A great learning opportunity that I can also get paid. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a question concering shopping cart function (somewhat usability issue I think)
Take a quick look here - you will see that javascript off is actually more common than people using safari or opera! I know this is only 1 site - but it does have some relevance. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:54 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 21, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Adam Martin wrote: I have no success in selling accessibility when I try to find clients, nobody buys it, so whatever extra care I make for accessibility is from me, free of charge Accessibility is really not that difficult to put in place - I also believe as professionals providing web design / development services that this should not be an addon that we charge but part of what the client should expect too get - imagine a builder charging you to make your house compliant. :) Yes, I embrace that, an accessibility should be a de facto for a web design service. However, a highly accessible site that can be accessed by everyone regardless of disability takes a lot of care and time - but this isn't a problem for me. When I said I have no success in selling accessibility, I meant apart from the basic needs (everything lined up, look good, accessible with mouse and keyboard), clients DO NOT CARE if a person uses screen reader to browse his site. We need law to make them CARE, but there isn't any. Take the shopping site example, he wants the add cart not re-direct to cart page, because he thinks this will prevent people to shop more in his shop (now, this is another whole study of shopper behaviors which I don't know of). I can delivery what he wants on this , but you and other said and I knew it too, that I need to provide a confirmation message, and the best way to do it is using ajax /js as you suggested, quote your word: This obviously has both usability and accessibility issues.. This is what I am unable to sell. Using an ajax validation to show confirmation/warning message works pretty well, the only time it doesn't work is someone using a special UA that supports no JS/AJAX. By 'de facto', if client said I don't want to redirect to checkout page. I answer with a 'no problem' because I know a JS validation can take care of some accessibility, and I don't need to explain anything to him but deliver what he wants. But if I am to be so accessible purist, I will say, no, we can't do that, because how if someone with a screen reader that has no support of JS/AJAX shops your store, and no redirection to the checkout page, then she may get confuse and this is very bad for you site. No law backs me up, and I am unable to sell that 'maybe, possible' 1% accessibility. A good notion and The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. won't work unless there is a law says so. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Centering all items in a li
For those suggesting line-height. I think that is a very bad idea,
because if the line is more than 1 line, then the height will end up
being number of lines x line-height. For example - setting line-height
at 200px. 3 lines of text would make it 600px high with 200px between text.
Cheers
Adam
Matt Fellows wrote:
A demo would be helpful, but have you tried something along the lines
of the following:
div id=footer
ul
lia href=/link1Link1/a/li
lia href=/link2Link2/a/li
...
/ul
/div
div#footer{text-align:center;}
div#footer ul li{display:inline;list-style-type:none; }
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Re: [WSG] Background on body not aligning with tiled background on wrapper DIV
can we see an example? Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, I've seen this problem before, but can't remember how I solved it. Basically, I have put a centred background that repeats vertically on the body of my page using CSS. The main wrapper div is also centred and has a background sits on top of the Body one, but is only a fixed height Basically, they need to match up where they meet, which is working fine in Firefox, Safari, Opera, etc. The only place it's having an issue is IE6 7. I know what the problem is; the background is centred and the width of your browser can be an odd or even number, so it can't sit dead centre all the time. If I drag the browser in to resize it, the backgrounds keep matching up then falling out of place. I have solved this before without adding an extra div for the body background, but I just can't remember how I did it. Does anyone have an idea? Thanks Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Footer problem!
Are you worried about the text overlapping the footer? If so, try this:
div#footer {
background-color:#2D2D2D;
border-top:1px solid #00;
clear:both;
height:100px;
width:100%;
}
Cheers
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james wrote:
Hi All,
This is probably a real easy thing to do, how ever i cannot get it to
stay in the same position through each page.
I think it is something to do with the way i have coded the text on my
page;
Here is the link to the site
http://www.jungle-systems.com/~mip/companyprofile.html
Could anyone have a look for me please.
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Re: [WSG] Footer problem!
It is at the bottom of the content - which is why it is moving around :)
james wrote:
I just added that CSS, so i could see where the is was positioned,
however i can see that it moves around on each page, i am not sure why
it does this, it is supposed to be at the bottom of the page in the
center fixed.
Cheers
Adam Martin wrote:
Are you worried about the text overlapping the footer? If so, try this:
div#footer {
background-color:#2D2D2D;
border-top:1px solid #00;
clear:both;
height:100px;
width:100%;
}
Cheers
Adam
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james wrote:
Hi All,
This is probably a real easy thing to do, how ever i cannot get it
to stay in the same position through each page.
I think it is something to do with the way i have coded the text on
my page;
Here is the link to the site
http://www.jungle-systems.com/~mip/companyprofile.html
Could anyone have a look for me please.
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Re: [WSG] Footer problem!
http://blog.twenty08.com/2007/04/15/how-to-align-a-footer-to-the-bottom-of-the-page-in-xhtml-strict-across-all-three-browsers/
james wrote:
I just added that CSS, so i could see where the is was positioned,
however i can see that it moves around on each page, i am not sure why
it does this, it is supposed to be at the bottom of the page in the
center fixed.
Cheers
Adam Martin wrote:
Are you worried about the text overlapping the footer? If so, try this:
div#footer {
background-color:#2D2D2D;
border-top:1px solid #00;
clear:both;
height:100px;
width:100%;
}
Cheers
Adam
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james wrote:
Hi All,
This is probably a real easy thing to do, how ever i cannot get it
to stay in the same position through each page.
I think it is something to do with the way i have coded the text on
my page;
Here is the link to the site
http://www.jungle-systems.com/~mip/companyprofile.html
Could anyone have a look for me please.
Cheers James
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Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::
this is exactly why we use serverside scripts along with a config file
to define some base declarations such as colors.
then we can change the color in one place only, using the below example
#results .fn { font-size: 0.86em; color #739EA8; }
#results .tel { font-size: 0.86em; color #33; }
#results .adr { font-size: 0.73em; color #739EA8; }
would become something like
#results .fn { font-size: 0.86em; color: ?php echo $styles-color-color1; ?;
}
#results .tel { font-size: 0.86em; color: ?php echo $styles-color-color2;
?; }
#results .adr { font-size: 0.73em; color: ?php echo $styles-color-color1;
?; }
in our config file, we have
color.color1 = #739EA8;
color.color2 = #33;
allows easy update of almost everything, much easier to maintain as well.
Adam
Korny Sietsma wrote:
I tend to agree about SASS, however I'm not sure you can really avoid
repetition in css. (ok, endlessly is an overstatement!)
Sure, where possible we'll reuse classes, but there are several places
where this would be hard, or would make our css messier.
For example, if I have a name field coloured #739EA8 and font size
0.86em, and a phonenumber field coloured #33 but also font size
0.86em, and a address coloured #739EA8 but 0.73em; I could try to
define some base class with font-color #739EA8, and a second one with
font-color #33, and a third base class with font size 0.86em, and
a fourth base class with font size 0.73em - and then mix those classes
together as needed - but it doesn't feel like semantic markup to me!
Instead, I have
#results .fn { font-size: 0.86em; color #739EA8; }
#results .tel { font-size: 0.86em; color #33; }
#results .adr { font-size: 0.73em; color #739EA8; }
... and when the designers say they want to change a font size, or a
colour, we have to change it all over the place. It's not a vast
effort, but it would make the code more readable and more maintainable
if we could define the sizes and colours once. Maybe it's just having
had the don't repeat yourself mantra hammered into our heads too
often :)
(Incidentally, as to your other points, most of these tools like SASS
will generate standard readable css files at deployment time - I agree
we don't want css to be generated at run-time!)
- Korny
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Korny Sietsma wrote:
I'd be interested in the thoughts of folks here. A simple template
would have the advantage of (possibly) working well in css editors and
tools; but there also seems to be some buzz around tools like Sass
that take some more repetition out of the CSS.
Is SASS a standard? Nope. Will it work without HAML? Nope.
Then my thought would be that it's going to have issues somewhere (I'm not
familiar with it beyond a quick skim of the link you provided plus a glance
at Wikipedia so I can't say where exactly)
Or is there something else we should look at? Really, mostly we are
just looking for ways to avoid too much repetition - it'd be good to
avoid endlessly repeating colour codes and font sizes all over the
place, when we have a server-side language available that could build
our css for us.
U, I don't think you've fully grasped the nature of CSS, which is
designed specifically NOT to have you endlessly repeating colour codes and
font sizes all over the place by declaring the styles as classes and using
IDs to determine where to apply those classes.
Anything that's generated server-side is going to send unnecessary overhead
down to the browser. Letting the browser do the parsing and rendering (which
is what it has a rendering engine for) seems much more sensible.
Additionally, if you're not supplying properly formatted CSS, but something
preformatted at the server, how is the browser going to understand it? How
are assistive technologies going to understand it?
I may be missing something here but SASS has the feeling of a solution
looking for a problem, or a programmer wanting to get his credit for adding
something to RoR (which is the tech du jour). That's probably unfair, but
I've been doing accessibility testing all day and I'm kinda grouchy
mark
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Re: [WSG] Older Browsers
Our contract that is signed by the client informs them of what versions we program for. We also ask what browser the vlient is using - i.e 5 is very very old and we never support it. On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:46:54 +1000, chris | chrisbuttery.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm relatively new to this group this is my first post. So here goes. I just had an issue where i developed a prototype site for a client that worked perfectly across several browsers (IE7, Firefox, Opera, Safari Netscape). The client sent me a screen shot of the site taken from their browser ( IE5...which i don't have ) that basically displayed a mangled site. I was able to fix the site through a series of screen shots supplied from the client, but it's obviously not a professional way of doing things. My question to you guys is how do you develop test your websites to ensure they are interpreted correctly by older more popular browsers ? Do you have older browsers handy to test them with? Thanks Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Centered Horizontal Menu
reply On Thu, 08 May 2008 14:42:40 +1000, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:36:55 +1000, IceKat wrote: I have a list menu which is supposed to be horizontal and centered. Not a problem right? Wrong. There are three problems. 1. IE7 doesn't use display: inline very well when text is enlarged or made smaller. (just try it and see the mess it creates) 2. The width cannnot be set because the number of items changes on a regular basis without warning. 3. Float combined with margin: 0 auto doesn't work because the width of the ul is always 100% and can't be set smaller because of the reason given above. This is creating a huge problem because I can't center lists without setting a width. Is there a way of getting around this in IE7? Is there a javascript or PHP script which can detect the width of something so I can put that in to the css? Or just fix the problem? The CSS-discuss Wiki has some ideas[1]. Scroll down to the section When you don't know the width. [1] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CenteringBlockElement Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: R: [WSG] Firefox skips dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing (?)
I believe that this is a mac issue rather than firefox. I am guessing
you are using mac - great too see you are using magento.. As an avid
magento fan good too see more and more sites coming about.
Adam - www.tweakmag.com
tee wrote:
On May 4, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Diego La Monica wrote:
Hi tee,
can you provide an (un)working example?
Here you are,
http://74.52.59.43/index.php
You need to add a product, then either use 'get a quote' (simple form)
or go ahead with 'proceed to checkout', then select 'checkout as
guest', continue, so that it brings you to step2, Billing information,
where you can have a better tabbing starts from First Name field.
Safari picks up the dropdown list from State/Province and Country. As
for for the Multi-select field that I menationed also not working, the
working example is in the admin, therefor I can't show you.
Just few minutes ago I wake up from my dream that maybe I was missing
the 'option:focus' - though I never remembering see it before, I added
it anyway. No luck!
input:focus, select:focus, textarea:focus, option:focus {
background: #ced5e1;color:#333;}
My suspicion are
1) The Prototype accordion or the script that pulls the States and
Countries' value is causing it, but I kind of rule it out.
2) Some input fields (Name, Email, Addresses) are showing light yellow
background color. Is this the default of Firefox or a Developer
toolbar plugin doing the trick? And somehow cripples the tab focus on
select.
Didn't test them from IE and Opera yet as I don't remember they have
tab feature.
tee
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Re: [WSG] Image links
@ Jason
you can't code imga/a/img
it can only be aimg... //a
hence to stop a decorations on images that have an a tag wrapping them...
the css should be
a img {
text-decoration: none;
}
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it should be:
a img {
}
Ah, yeah, duh, sorry can't do img a. Drop that from my previous example
please. It's late, I'll Tweet my goof and go to bed :)
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Re: [WSG] Image links
it should be:
a img {
}
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Mahendran Venkatesan
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* **img a *{
text-decoration : none;
}
Is there any chance 'img' can be a parent of 'anchor' tag?
I suggest the following:
a.someclassname{text-decoration:none;}
OR
a{text-decoration:none;}
Thanks!
Venkatesan M
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Hi Dean,
When you set up an anchor rule that has an underline on hover meant for
text, is there a simple way to prevent the underline on image
This should work for you:
img a {
text-decoration : none;
}
Cheers.
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Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8
as does zend studio :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] one thing I miss about dreamweaver is that you can do a 'search all' and get a list of all instances of the thing you are searching for rather than cycling through a 'find...find...find...' list. So far it's the only program I've used that does that and I really notice not having it. My favourite general-purpose text editor is UltraEdit, which does what you describe: returns a list of files containg your search string, and the entire line(s) that contain that string. It's not a web-specific tool, but does beat everything else I have tried to date. Regards, Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey
Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using words - what happens if a future browser decides that grey should be #6; where previously it was #3; (just examples). Your design is suddenly not going to look as you intended. My 2c. Adam On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question. I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand grey, spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?
I have developed my own cms system - it does not limit designs at all - let your designer go wild. It is very easy to use for the end user. 100% standards compliant (unless the person that creates the sites templates does not know what they are doing). I found the problem with most solutions is that they are bloatware - ie way to many features with no real benefits. The way my system works is that I can easily plugin modules as my clients need them - ie. Ecommerce system, blog, forum etc. I can create basic apps in a matter of a few hours. It is written with PHP5 (utilising zend framework). I think that for me the investment in time building an inhouse solution has been really worth it. Cheers Adam On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Sarah Simmonds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi WSGers, We're currently looking to move all of our websites to a single Content Management System. As part of the CMS evaluation process we're interested in finding out what's currently in use out there. So my question is three fold: 1) What CMS system do you use to manage multiple websites? 2) How well has your CMS held up to expectations? Does it handle scaling, was it easy to learn, what were the drawbacks (if any)? 3) Does your CMS solution get in the way of producing elegant, standards compliant websites? Is there special considerations for standards and accessibility built into your CMS? There's lots of solutions out there, but unfortunately for many it's not a simple apples-to-apples comparison. Cheers, Sarah -- -- Sarah Simmonds - Melbourne IT Web Developer Member of the Web Standards Group Member of the Web Industry Professionals Association Graduate Computer Scientist, RMIT - *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long word not wrapping in firefox
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com/2007/02/firefox-ie-word-wrap-word-break-tables.html cheers Adam Naveen Bhaskar wrote: Hi, I have a table and one of its cell has a long text.In firefox teh word is not wrapping inside the table? any fix for this? thanks in advance. :-) Regards navii *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS review
Please consider that a cms is a tool too allow people to add there own content. So the inline styling may in fact be added by the end user. Most wysiwyg editors allow you to define styles for the content, however I find a lot of people do not go to this little effort, rather opting for the inline styles (example, choosing font sizes, colors etc). I am in the process of writing my own cms program (based on zend framework) that overcomes these problems. I am using xinha as the editor. As a programmer we can code a system as best as we can - but still can't control what the end user decides to do with it unless we are really restrictive - but that brings about unnecessary support questions regarding content insertion. My 2c. Adam On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:28 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me, personally, I wouldn't use a CMS that produced mark-up like that. Especially not when I know there are others out there that will do a better job (haven't explored Powerfront too closely to find out whether it's possible to alter the output mark-up). I'd have to ask though: why are you looking at Powerfront if you've worked with people who produce better sites using other CMSs? On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:57:56 +1000, alysia hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have just discovered this australian based company Powerfront. I am really interested in some feedback. I'm a graphic designer, and I have worked with developers that build wonderful standards compliant websites with a CMS. I have looked at the source code of Powerfront websites, which appears to have a lot of syling in the html pages, rather than in a CSS file. From a 'non programming' person, this doesn't look very standards compliant. My question is, Is it standards compliant? If not, does that matter? Can anyone fault these websites? I have the up most regard for the WSG, and all those in the industry creating conferences, speaking publicly, writing articles etc on making code better for all concerned, but leaving that aside, does anyone have any critisisms about this CMS (other than the fact that it might not be compliant?) Here is an example website which I think is pretty good http://www.goodshepvic.org.au/ Here is the company website http://www.powerfront.com/ Any Powerfront employees, I welcome your feedback too! thanks, alysia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] generated source
There are a few plugins for firefox that does validation for you. Can't remember the names of them offhand though. Sorry. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:44 AM, jody tate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a preferred way to view and validate generated source code? By generated source I mean after Ajax, JavaScript, and so on have done their magic. I'm asking because I'm working on a web application for browsing network devices (close to 9000 routers, switches, WAPs, etc.) that relies on JavaScript (some homemade JS, jQuery, Ajax and JSON) to build virtually all the XHTML. Yet, when I view source via the debug inspect element feature in the latest release of Safari or using Pederick's web developer Firefox add-on, closed tags become unclosed. For example: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 / Becomes: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 Yet viewing generated source in Firebug, that same meta tag remains closed. Firebug, however, doesn't have (or I haven't noticed?) a way to copy and paste source code for direct input validation to the W3C validator. This, then, is the ultimate goal: to get the generated source, copy it and paste it into a validator. I validated with static mockups prior to de-building the XHTML and giving it over to JavaScript, but I want to validate now to make sure I'm staying on track. Have others run into this problem? Thanks in advance, Jody -- Jody Tate Web Developer - UW Network Systems http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] an accessible question: server-side vs client-side validation
You should always do server side validation. Implementing client side validation does not affect this at all. On Feb 12, 2008 4:08 PM, Sajan Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sever side validations must be done even if the validations are done at client side too. this is because it is highly likely to crash if the user has turned off Javascript Sajan On Feb 12, 2008 4:43 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a question about server-side vs client-side validation. I always use a same PHP form script that works really great and it's server-side validation using condition and requirement, and I like the feature better than client-side's. A website I was working on, client wants client-side validation, something fancy, something Ajax. I like to stick with this form script because it has a great support for anti- spam; I suppose I can turn off the server-side validation if client- side validation is used, but I am concerned with the accessibility issue - I am particular curious how screen readers treat client-side validation. Thank you for you thought! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] use of p in li
the flaw in this approach is the potential for adding divs for styling
purposes only which is hardly ever necessary. Certainly not in the scenario
you have given. I advocate styling the elements directly rather than
bloating the code more than you need too.
Cheers
Adam
On Feb 11, 2008 2:59 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Assign the paragraph style to a HTML tag that is surrounding all other
tags?
If so, I would not feel comfortable with that.
Why not? If this is your HTML:
div class=content
psome text/p
ul
lisome text/li
/ul
/div
This
.content {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
makes more sense and is more concise than
p {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
li {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
Although I spose you could do
p, li {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
But there may be cases where you want to apply a style to more than two or
three elements, so it makes more sense to target them with a style on the
container.
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Re: [WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0
#wrapper {
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0;
text-align: left;
width: 950px;
}
Cheers
Adam
Michael Horowitz wrote:
I've noticed that my site is centered it ie 7.0 but left justified in
firefox http://terrorfreeamerica.us/. What are the issues and
workarounds to keep them in sync. In this case I would like it
centered both ways but I would love to know how to do it either way.
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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
Can we please keep the discussions on topic, lately there have been a number of threads having nothing to do with standards Cheers Adam On Feb 1, 2008 10:04 AM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you check your logs for 404s? Like I said, when I published the code as they presented it, I got some 404 errors from browsers looking for the image on our domain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with // Anders Nawroth wrote: // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img src=//path/image.gif / method. I've yet to see a problem with it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Check
Hi there, the first thing I noticed is the fact that the footer is always at the bottom. This is fine however I would like to suggest something to improve this a little. Set a z-index of say 100 on the footer, so that the content flows underneath rather than over the footer. Cheers Adam On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Check
Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the problem is the video. On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
where in the folder structure is the css file?
On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up
on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for
that
The image is definitely
therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif
/*define look of buttons*/
ul a{
display:block;
width: 98%;
line-height:1.4em;
background:#1c1c1b ;
border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
text-decoration: none;
text-align: center;
font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif;
font-weight:900;
}
ul a:hover
{
background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
}
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You messed up the background and the border. It should be:
background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
border: 1px solid yellow;
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Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
try url(../images/atom.gif)
On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up
on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for
that
The image is definitely
therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif
/*define look of buttons*/
ul a{
display:block;
width: 98%;
line-height:1.4em;
background:#1c1c1b ;
border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
text-decoration: none;
text-align: center;
font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif;
font-weight:900;
}
ul a:hover
{
background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
}
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You messed up the background and the border. It should be:
background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
border: 1px solid yellow;
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Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons
As I said you need to change to
background:#1c1c1b url(../images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
note the ../
On Dec 17, 2007 11:31 AM, Michael Horowitz
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That was a stupid mistake but when corrected I still have the issue. I
also should at least have had the hover working when I make that mistake
and it didn't show either
/*define look of buttons*/
ul a{
display:block;
width: 98%;
line-height:1.4em;
background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
border: 1px solid yellow;
text-decoration: none;
text-align: center;
font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif;
font-weight:900;
}
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krugonN wrote:
On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show
up
on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS
for that
The image is definitely
therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif
/*define look of buttons*/
ul a{
display:block;
width: 98%;
line-height:1.4em;
background:#1c1c1b ;
border: 1px solid yellow url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
text-decoration: none;
text-align: center;
font-family: arial, lucida console, sans-serif;
font-weight:900;
}
ul a:hover
{
background:#00 url(images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom;
}
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Re: [WSG] Do we just throw out the img tag
I assume you mean you are setting a background image using css - now what if you want another image on top - you use img tag for that. For example have a look at http://qps.shockmedia.com.au/About-QPS - if you resize the browser window you will see that the logo appears on top of the image on the left. (I am aware of the navigation wrapping issue). Cheers Adam On Dec 17, 2007 1:36 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I have mastered putting an image in a site using CSS do we just throw out the img tag in standards based xhtml. And how does the use of css compare with use of the object tag http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/jun2004/ I found in my google searches on the issue. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
drivers are the responsibility of the vendors. As is the ability of running other software. Vista is essentially a framework for software developers - it is there responsibility to ensure it works - not Microsofts. On Dec 14, 2007 11:01 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/13/07, Gav... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, OS suppliers should have the option of providing whatever default packages they want, and leave the options open for users to install their own alternatives. Those that need a better, standards compliant web browser will know they can get one. but their os should be able to run other optional packages that the customer chooses. vista has little to no support from other software vendors and drivers are another issue all together. cheers, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
Hi Lyn, I have worked with Joomla! quite a bit - and do be honest I am not a great fan. It is quite powerful in what you can do with it. Too answer your question you are not limited in your design, however there is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to Joomla! Also, you do not do your design with Joomla! - rather you integrate your design into Joomla! I would define exactly what your client needs and then look at your options from there. Regards Adam On Dec 4, 2007 8:39 AM, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn Patterson Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks
Hi James, I am not sure if it is possible to do what you want. However, I am not sure if it would achieve much either... as at the end of the day the user can control the size of the fonts themselves. You should try and ensure that your site scales nicely regardless of font size. What I do is set a base font size (declared on the body) of 10px. All other fonts are then set using em - 2em is equal to 20px, 1.3em is 13px etc etc. Cheers Adam James Leslie wrote: Hi, I've been looking over some inherited sites and noticed a very common font-family declaration of arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif. I know that arial and verdana are very different in size so thought it would be good to make sure there are not any problems with one font not being available, but aside from changing the stylesheet or removing the font, I don't seem to be able to do this. Does anyone know if there is a way of disabling a font at the browser level, maybe a firefox plug-in, to be able to do quick checks on legibility, sizing issues, layout, etc. Thanks in advance, James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] question about max-width's behaviour
What are you putting the max-width declaration on? a div for example? adam On Nov 22, 2007 9:17 AM, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought max-width tells the browser: This is the limit of the width you can expand, regardless how big the screen is. But my testing shows that, with a max-width of 60em, a 1680px wide monitor, when a browser is opened in full screen, with fontsize increases, the page just continued expanding until it reaches 1680px full screen. If I drag the screen to the second monitor, it keeps expanding. If I make the screen smaller to 900px, then expansion stop there. Am I missing somthing? I tried setting a max-width of 1024px and 60em width , it doesn't work, my test shows that FF and Safari ignore the max-width. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Input tag - closing tag optional?
This is the reason why i made the move to XHTML - it is much more structured in my opinion. And these sort of issues don't arise. Adam. On Nov 21, 2007 3:12 PM, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to help a friend with their form markup, I suggested they look up the W3C specifications. Their question was does the input tag require a closing /input. I told them categorically no but was embarrassed to see this in the W3C specs[1]: !ELEMENT INPUT - O EMPTY -- form control -- Now, I read that as closing tag optional. So I am wrong. Or am I? Anyone? [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-INPUT Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Help IE
Hi Bob, Can't help you with ie6 but thought I would let you know that it seems to be fine in IE7. Cheers Adam Bob Schwartz wrote: I have a site in progress that is currently pixel perfect in all real browsers, it's all over the screen in IE 6 (don't yet know about IE7). I have spent hours looking to see what's breaking it in IE with no luck. If someone would be so kind as to have a look and see if you can figure it out (and in IE7, if possible). http://www.fgtestserver.net/rain/index.html Thanks, Bob Schwartz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
