Re: [WSG] Centering all items in a li

2008-05-17 Thread Ben Wong
Have you tried playing around with line-height?

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Darren Lovelock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm trying to achieve the same as a table cell set with valign=middle but
 with an li.

 This would be the list elements in a table:
 table
tr
td valign=middlelabel for=dnameDisplay Name:/label
 input type=text id=dname
 class=tinput //td
td valign=middlepInformation about preview
 box etc. If it is more than two lines or ## characters link to./p
 spana href=learn more/a/span/td
/tr
 /table

 The labels etc would be vertically aligned in the center of the td's.

 Darren

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of David Hucklesby
 Sent: 17 May 2008 22:31
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: RE: [WSG] Centering all items in a li

 On Sat, 17 May 2008 16:45:05 +0100, Darren Lovelock wrote:
 Hi Matt,

 I'm trying to vertically align all the items inside an li.

 This could be achieved with the valign of a table cell, but tables are not
 an option!

 The li's are floating left. I want the labels, inputs, p's etc to be
 vertically aligned in their containing li.

 This is one of the lists I'm using:

 ol
 li class=elem
 label for=dnameDisplay Name:/label input type=text id=dname
 class=tinput / /li li class=desc pInformation about preview
 box etc. If it is more than two lines or ## characters link to./p
 spana href=learn more/a/span /li /ol

 Hope it makes more sense now!


 Nope.

 Can't see why you'd put form elements in a list anyway. Perhaps you could
 post an example, with tables if necessary, to show us what you intend?

 Cordially,
 David
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Re: [WSG] Usefulness of JSDoc

2007-07-25 Thread Ben Wong

I personally wouldn't use it for production websites because it
inflates the size of the Javascript file, therefore forcing the user
to download more. Also it would tempt others to steal code by making
it easy to understand.

As a way of documenting code during development and for future
reference it would be useful, but well written code should be
self-documenting (well named functions) and easy to understand.

On 7/25/07, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all!

I have been wondering about the (absent) standard for documenting
JavaScript: JSDoc.

In PHP one can expect any seasoned developer to use PHPDocumentor (or
something similar, like Doxygen). In JAVA one would expect Javadoc to be
used by most.

However, except for Foundations of Ajax (ISBN 1-59059-582-3) I see *no*
other book on the market using or promoting the use of JSDoc. And as far
as I know YUI is the only major library to use it.

Gurus like David Flanagan, John Resig, Christian Heilmann, Dean
Edwards and PPK are all silent on this matter, and do not use JSDoc in
any code I've seen them write. Admittedly they write a lot, but JSDoc
are absent from their books and blogposts, at least.

1. Is JSDoc not a good idea? If so, why not?

2. If it is, why has it not caught on?

Coming to JS from a back-end developer perspective I find this very strange.


Lars Gunther

P.S.
References:
http://jsdoc.sourceforge.net/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSDoc


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Re: [WSG] Usefulness of JSDoc

2007-07-25 Thread Ben Wong

On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So does it make code easy to understand or not? Make your mind up!!


Well, that would depend on the quality of the documentation, not on JSDoc. :)


Personally, I do try and make use of it, but there are some limitations
which I am attempting to work around by writing a script to run at a
higher level.
Also, code bloat is not a problem, as I run all CSS, HTML and JS through
a compaction process as I take it live (automated release system)

For most small projects it probably doesn't give much advantage, but I
don't really understand how any of the arguments against using JSDoc are
different to using JavaDoc.


Yep, you're right, the arguments aren't any different. But for those
of us who don't have that extra step of compacting the code before
deploying, we would have to add it in if we decided to use JSDoc.
Whereas, for JavaDoc (and the other doc tools for other languages
mentioned) you wouldn't have to worry about it, because the code is
not as accessible to the end user as the Javascript because they're
run server side or compiled.

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Re: [WSG] .NET generate horrible html, i need some lights

2007-03-12 Thread Ben Wong

Hi Gaspar,
Looks like you guys are still using Visual Studio 2003, therefore .NET
1.1. You should consider moving up to VS 2005 and .NET 2.0 as the
standards support is much better.

Ben

On 12/03/07, Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello everyone,
I always work with PHP, use it to output my (x)HTML in the way i want.

Now a get to a agency that only work with ASP, i just can believe that
there's no way to avoid runnet_server, IDs with 1000 characters, the
some IDs on img, values of forms with 50lines height, and the form
at the start that dont let me usa any Strict Language.

Iam not good with ASP, many of the functions i dont understand, i do
know that some of this points are easy to change but others like the
bigs ID.

Iam working with the interface/html team and maybe the team that build
the aplications wouldn be so open to that changes, they say that is
easiest and quicky putting the native elements of .net tham building,
i believe that but and the others people that update or even the
weight of pages.

I just want to help change this, http://www.ispa.pt u could check the
biggest value of a form that i see.

Could someone give me some links or some stuff that someone without
knowledge of ASP could help implementing some improves generate GOOD
(X)HTML

Many thanks,
Gaspar

I have already have found some:
http://www.charon.co.uk/content.aspx?CategoryID=28ArticleID=53
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/02/20/asp-net-ajax-and-sharepoint.aspx
http://www.webstandards.org/2004/10/08/aspnet-standards-part-ii/
http://www.aspnetresources.com/articles/default.aspx
http://www.aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx




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Re: [WSG] .net question

2006-03-17 Thread Ben Wong
On 3/17/06, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm an ASP.NET programmer, so I know. I actually have the reverse
 problem. The designer I work with doesn't have the faintest idea about
 standards and I'm the one cleaning out the layout tables.

 Nice one Ben! Sack the designer!


Awww, I'm not that harsh. I'll give him some time to steer away from
the dark side. I've managed to stop him from using tables for
structuring the site. I'm working on weening him off using them for
forms.

Anyway, I agree with your advice to Kevin. It would probably be good
to get involved in the
coding up of your design in ASP.NET. You wouldn't have to go all the
way and become a full-on ASP.NET guru, just learn the basic server
controls and how they are rendered in the browser.

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Re: [WSG] .net question

2006-03-17 Thread Ben Wong
No worries. You might find some useful articles at
www.aspnetresources.com. Milan is _the_ man when it comes to ASP.NET
and web standards.

Agreed, Peter. ASP.NET 2.0 is a big step forward in the right direction.

On 3/17/06, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Peter, and Ben, for great insight.
 I will try to a collaborative aproach with the developer.

 I know that a in a  previous situation with another developer we used
 repeaters to output standards code,
 i would like to be able to stick css possitioning into a form repeater for
 him. im not even sure exactly on the difference between a repeater and a
 control but im reading up on the msdn site,
 Building ASP.NET 2.0 Web Sites Using Web Standards and asp.net for
 designers.

 ill let you know how i get on
 thanks again
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Re: [WSG] .net question

2006-03-16 Thread Ben Wong
On 3/17/06, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you would like to see some examples of what im talking about heres one of
 the 1st sites i did with the programmer in question. notice the special
 offers section and the reservations  form-when he got it there wasnt a table
 in site.
 http://www.shandonhotel.com/

What's wrong with the special offers section? I would've done it as a
table too. Maybe you could use a table, but it looks enough like
tablular data to use a table. I'm with you on the reservations form
though. I assume the programmer's done it as a user control if he's
any good.

Using a definition list for the content in the middle is going a bit
overboard, isn't it?

Personally, I don't see much evidence of him hacking up your design in
the site, apart from the reservation form. It could be much, much
worse.

I'm an ASP.NET programmer, so I know. I actually have the reverse
problem. The designer I work with doesn't have the faintest idea about
standards and I'm the one cleaning out the layout tables.

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Re: [WSG] .net question

2006-03-16 Thread Ben Wong
On 3/17/06, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 thanks ben,
 ok maybe im overeacting a bit, it gets to me when i spend time doing
 something with css
 then it goes out the window for a table,

No, your not overreacting, I understanding that feeling.


 would you just use p's and h's instead of the definition list in the middle
 column body text?

Yeah, I would just use paragraph and header tags. Since it is just
generic text. If you don't use them there, where would you use them?
:)


 I dont know about using the table for the special offers section,
 i think that would work well as a defintion list

Definition list seems a bit much for me. Maybe an unordered list.

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Re: [WSG] : Problem with attribute BORDER in movint to strict mode. (the dotting of t's)

2006-01-05 Thread Ben Wong
To remove the border on the image you can use css...

img
{
 border: 0;
}

On 1/6/06, Jes Bigum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







 Hi,



 I´m trying build this site, in strict mode, bu i´m having trouble removing
 the border of the image inserted in the list.

 (the image, is supposed to shift line to the appropriate line on
 navigation), can anybody help me with this problem.?



 http://www.forandre.dk/html/ansatte.html   (css not
 separated yet).





 Thank you in advance,





 Jes.


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Re: [WSG] best way to style addresses

2005-12-22 Thread Ben Wong
I remember this question coming up before on this list. IIRC we
concluded that address / was only used for contact info for the
author of the document.

from W3C HTML 4.01 spec:

The ADDRESS element may be used by authors to supply contact
information for a document or a major part of a document such as a
form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a
document.

For example, a page at the W3C Web site related to HTML might include
the following contact information:

ADDRESS
A href=../People/Raggett/Dave Raggett/A,
A href=../People/Arnaud/Arnaud Le Hors/A,
contact persons for the A href=ActivityW3C HTML Activity/ABR
$Date: 1999/12/24 23:37:50 $
/ADDRESS

Personally, I'd probably just go...

div class=address
123 Some Stbr /
Somewherebr /
SomeState1234
/div

On 12/22/05, sam sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Example:

 ADDRESS
 Newsletter editorBR
 J.R. BrownBR
 8723 Buena Vista, Smallville, CT 01234BR
 Tel: +1 (123) 456 7890
 /ADDRESS



 with whatever styling provided by CSS you care for.


 for more details see the link below

 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/address.html



 tee wrote:

  Hi there,
 
  I am working on a page that involves with hundred of address in
  different locations/cities. What is the best way to do?
  unordered list,  definition list  or  table data?
 
  I am thinking to make two columns for address. Did a similar page
  sometimes ago with unordered list with two columns floated, because
  some address are 4 lines, some are 3, the result wasn't good.
 
  Thanks!
 
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Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ben Wong
On 12/14/05, Ric  Jude Raftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Try this Al

 #content {
 padding: 10px;
 margin:5px auto;
 background-color: #fff;
 border: 1px solid #000;
 width: 70%; /* remove this because you are setting your margin to auto*/
 }

errr...then the div will fill the page...
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Re: [WSG] styling auto-generated .net id values

2005-12-08 Thread Ben Wong
I'd recommend not styling with the generated ids and using classes instead.

On 12/9/05, Rachel Radford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 Just wondering if anyone else has come across the following problem and if
 so, how they fixed it?

 I'm working with a page that has auto-generated html from a .net engine that
 I then style up with css.  In this case I need to reference one item on the
 page that has an id of #_1740__ctl2__1125.  When I style this up in Firefox
 it works fine. But it seems that IE gets stuck somewhere on the underscores
 and ignores the rule.  I can't change the underscores because it is .net
 generated - even though yes, I know that underscores are not recommended as
 id values.  Can anyone help me on how I would get around this?

 Thanks,
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 p.s. I don't have the option of ditching IE support!!


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Re: [WSG] absolute positioning?

2005-12-07 Thread Ben Wong
Hi Greg,
Although it's an interesting thing you're trying to do. I think it's a
bit hacky. While it's seem table-like it's actually a graph and I'd
probably consider a few other options.

1. do the third column with images
2. do the entire graph as one big image
or
3. use SVG

If you still think using the pure table is the go, then you might find
the following link helpful...

http://www.find-a-psychiatrist.com/

whoops, I meant this one :P...

http://www.stopdesign.com/articles/absolute/index.html

HTH

Ben

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 Hey, I'm trying to build a daily schedule view which will have
 schedules from 6am - 10pm.
 I'm not sure if this is the correct approach so I'm asking for help...

 I was thinking of using a table with 3 columns, 1 column for the name,
 1 column for job title and 1 column for their daily schedule. I was
 thinking of using spans for the various tasks that the users will have
 throughout their day.
 table width=790px; border=1
 tr
td width=75pxPat Smoot/td
td width=75pxCSR/td
td width=640pxspan
 style=left:0px;width:140px;background-color:blue;text-align:center;Work/span/td

 /tr
 /table
 the border is just for viewing..
 I believe what I need to use is absolutle positioning however when I
 add that to the inline CSS statement, the width works but the span is
 moved out of the cell table element.
 I'm no CSS wiz, I'm just a beginner and hoping one of you can suggest
 some sites to look at, tutorials or code snippets.

 I also tried all CSS and didnt get too far either..
 div id=schedule
 div id=schedule_row style=position:absolute;width:790px;
 span id=user
 style=position:absolute;left:0px;width:75px;text-align:center;Pat
 Smoot/span
 span id=job
 style=position:absolute;left:75px;width:75px;text-align:center;CSR/span
 span class=task
 style=position:relative;width:120px;left:120px;text-align:center;background-color:blue;Work/span
 /div
 /div


 I'm trying to make it look something like this...
 http://home.alltel.net/omen/schedule_example.jpg



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Re: [WSG] Need help with form

2005-12-07 Thread Ben Wong
Dunno, doesn't it give you any feedback?
By the way, the page isn't valid according to w3c validator either.

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A//mouseriders.dk/check.php

On 12/8/05, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I thought I've done everything correct with my forms... but no.

 So now I'm trying to figure out why Cynthia/WEBXACT fails my form pages.
 I just don't understand what it is I'm supposed to do with these forms.
 So if someone would tell me what it is I need to do to make cynthia
 happy and me understand I'll be happy too. http://mouseriders.dk/check.php

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Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-05 Thread Ben Wong
Sorry, if it seemed like I implied that, but even if you don't, just
the experience of the pain of having to maintain that sort of code
would eliminate any thought of reverting to the old school way of
making web sites.

On 12/5/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Exactly where in my posts did I say I create web sites in the style
 of my friend?


  On 12/4/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  None of those. I just mentioned that I was unable to convice my
  friend to change his ways and his strongest reason not to was his
  (fairly complicated) site that worked just fine in a lot of browsers
  which he built without jumping through any of the hoops I go through
  trying to get a complicated layout to work in as many browsers.
 
  I'm all for standards and everything else this list is about, but I
  do feel we might be spending a lot of time preparing for a State
  Dinner when what we are really going to attend is a come-as-you-
  are BBQ in the backyard.
 
  If it's HTML 2.0 I assume it's got numerous font tags mixed in with
  the multiple nested tables. I guess you and you're friend only create
  web sites as a once of service and don't maintain them for your
  clients because maintaining tag soup is not fun and that is the
  biggest advantage of CSS and tableless layouts. Sure when you first
  start out creating tableless layouts they take a while, but it gets
  easier and faster the more you do it - probably like when you first
  learn how to design layouts using tables.
 
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Re: [WSG] getElementById() always returns null

2005-12-05 Thread Ben Wong
It's because the code is being executed before the tags with the
matching ids are created.

On 12/6/05, Chris Lamberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Through foresight, i already know this will be a very pitiful question to
 real web designers, so bear with me.

 I was having some trouble finding out why, whenever I call for
 document.getElementById(id), it returns null (even if there is a valid
 id-matching element). Consider something simple, like this:

 html
 head
  titleJavaScript Testing/title
  style type=text/css media=screen
  a { font: normal 24px Trebuchet MS; }
 p { display: none; }
 /style
  script type=text/javascript
 var toggle = document.getElementById('toggle');
  var onoff = document.getElementById('onoff');
 toggle.onmouseover = function() {
 onoff.style.display = 'inline';
  }
 toggle.onmouseout = function() {
  onoff.style.display = 'none';
 }
  /script
 /head
  body
 a id=toggle href=#Hover toggle/a
  p id=onoffHello world!/p
 /body
 /html

 Sorry I don't have a live example. The point is that the getElementById()
 calls for some reason appear to return null, as if they didn't find
 anything. Thanks, any help is appreciated!



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Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-04 Thread Ben Wong
On 12/4/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 None of those. I just mentioned that I was unable to convice my
 friend to change his ways and his strongest reason not to was his
 (fairly complicated) site that worked just fine in a lot of browsers
 which he built without jumping through any of the hoops I go through
 trying to get a complicated layout to work in as many browsers.

 I'm all for standards and everything else this list is about, but I
 do feel we might be spending a lot of time preparing for a State
 Dinner when what we are really going to attend is a come-as-you-
 are BBQ in the backyard.

If it's HTML 2.0 I assume it's got numerous font tags mixed in with
the multiple nested tables. I guess you and you're friend only create
web sites as a once of service and don't maintain them for your
clients because maintaining tag soup is not fun and that is the
biggest advantage of CSS and tableless layouts. Sure when you first
start out creating tableless layouts they take a while, but it gets
easier and faster the more you do it - probably like when you first
learn how to design layouts using tables.

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Re: [WSG] Learning asp.net with standards

2005-12-03 Thread Ben Wong
On 12/4/05, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear List:

 A pending graduate IT student asked my opinion on .net technologies.
 My understating, less than a month old, designing UI's for .net
 applications, is that the need for standards within this framework is
 without question.

 Having approached the list last month with issues regarding CSS
 implementation in the .net framework, leaves me with the question how
 best to guide this student on utilizing web standards with .net
 technology? A great opportunity exists  to usher someone into best
 practices.

My advice for making web standards compliant ASP.NET site from my own
experience...

* Understand (X)HTML and CSS and how to make a web standards compliant
web site without ASP.NET

* Understand how ASP.NET web controls are render (X)HTML
i.e., asp:datagrid - table, asp:label - span

* If the ASP.NET web controls don't render standards compliant (X)HTML
then learn how to make your own custom controls

Basically, understand how ASP.NET generates the code for the web page
and if it doesn't do it properly be prepared to hack it into doing it
properly.


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Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique

2005-11-28 Thread Ben Wong
Nice styles, although it's a bit too pastel for my taste. I think the
stylesheet switch is being done to late. I always see a switch over
from autumn to spring.

On 11/29/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, it's my turn for a site critique:

 http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/

 What I'm worried about:

   - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock
 is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't
 have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem
 with this?

   - I've only checked the site in Firefox and IE on the PC. If anybody
 has a mac I'd love for ya to take a quick look at it and let me know if
 anything is wrong with it.

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[WSG] CSS equivalent for image alignment

2005-11-21 Thread Ben Wong
Hi all,
What is the CSS way of setting the align attribute of img / to middle?

e.g.,

img src=___ align=middle /

I just want to align text to the middle of an button image sitting on
the same line instead of to the bottom of it.

TIA

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Re: [WSG] ASP.NET XHTML compliant blogging

2005-11-20 Thread Ben Wong
I used to use .Text and hacked the code to output standards compliant
code with moderate success. ASP.NET 1.1 wasn't inherently designed
with standards in mind (2.0 has though), but there are a few articles
floating around to fix that (e.g.,
http://www.aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx).

I've since switched over to Wordpress.

On 11/21/05, Mark B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All

  Does anyone know of any blogging software that's asp.net based that
 produces XHTML compliant code, or can be persuaded to do so without heaps of
 work?

  I've checked out dasblog, community server (AKA .text) and singleuserblog,
 and they all have errors in the dozens or hundreds on their default skins.

  Cheers,

  Mark






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