Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
If you're using a h3 inside a list, I kind of expect a h2 and a h1 to precede that... Is it really necessary to use a h3 or could you just style an ol or ul in the appropriate way? On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Hi, I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below) Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with Subheading will get a letter (not desired): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I appreciate any advice, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] strange web page problems
Marvin, From what I hear, a version of JAWS is tied to a specific version of IE. So a version that works fine with IE7 may simply not work (correctly) with IE8. I suggest you direct your question to the support department of the software you're having problems with. Regards, Matijs On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.comwrote: On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Marvin Hunkin wrote: when i down graded back from ie 8 to ie 7, had created a student web project and a style sheet and java script. it was reading all my styles, fonts, and a table on the main page. but now. when i upgraded to ie 8. got the same problem again. not telling me the font name. what is the problem. It's impossible to tell without seeing the page. Please post a URL. Before you do that, however, make sure that the page is valid HTML and CSS. Go to http://validator.w3.org. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] web hosting
Hey Marvin, Another question, also most certainly not one to flame or offend in any way. From some of your previous posts to the list I've concluded, but correct me if I'm wrong, that you're a blind developer from Australia. I assume, but please correct me if I'm wrong, that English is your native language. I'm not a native English speaker myself and your posts are usually very short and hardly ever use punctuation or capitals. The combination doesn't make it easy for me (and I don't think I'm the only one) to understand what it is exactly that you want or need help with. So if at all possible, and once again, feel free to explain if you can't for whatever reason, but if at all possible could you try to use a few more periods, commas and capitals. It would make your posts a whole lot more readable and you'd probably get a lot more help. Good luck on finding an accessible webhost that suits your needs. I'm afraid I can't help you there. Best, Matijs PS. I tried to put this in the nicest way possible. Please don't be offended, it's the last thing I want to do. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. just looked at one site http://www.110mb.com but does not have my requirements. i need to have a free webhost, that is accessible. as do not have a credit card. that support cgi, visual studio 2008, sql 2008, as building a three tier site using visual web developer and sql with a friend. and also need java script, possibly php. can any one recommend any thing at all. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Multiple IE's for browser testing
If you use the freely availabel Microsoft Virtual PC you can run the also freely available IE Compat images Microsoft provides. These are timebombed which means you'll have to re-download them about every 3 to 4 months, but it also saves you having to buy 3 separate Windows XP licenses to run the current (IE8), previous (IE7) and ancient and evil (IE6) browsers. Best, Matijs On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM, James Ellis james.el...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Use virtualbox (.org) and run up a virtual machine that only has IE7 on it. You can do this by installing XP into the virtual machine and updating it to IE7. Remember to turn off Windows Update so it doesn't upgrade to IE8 when you are not looking. Virtualisation is the only real way to get an IE that matches what site visitors are using, meaning less fubar when debugging an issue. (I don't see the general public browsing with a MultipleIE browser). Note you will need a Windows license for each virtualised Windows machine you use. HTH James On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:04:13 am Kristine Cummins wrote: I've recently downloaded IE8 and now my standalone IE7 refuses to work. Anyone else have this issue and have a better way to get IE to cooperate for Webmasters??? I downloaded the standalone at http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE Thanks for your time, Kristine *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] [Spam] :changing font sizes from within a page.
Current best practice is (and imho has always been) using relative font-sizes to make text resizing work the browser way in all browsers including IE6/7. In addition to that you could add a widget to resize text. In an ideal situation this widget would also work without javascript (not too hard) or without cookies (a bit harder). The main reason these widgets exist might be the fact that IE didn't allow a user to resize text when the font-size was defined in pixels instead of a percentage or ems. Just slapping a text resizing widget on a site and then calling it accessible/usable isn't enough. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:05 PM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: I would be grateful if someone could tell me what is the current best practice for letting users change the font-size (e.g., by clicking on three 'a's of different sizes to make different css files be used) on the web site. Is it still a good idea, or do we go for the approach of using the browser to do it? Any and all helpful suggestions gratefully appreciated. Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Installing More than one version of IE6
For what it's worth. Microsoft have—for several years now—offered free Windows XP images with IE6/7/8RC and now IE8 as well in Microsoft Virtual PC format. Microsoft Virtual PC (the application) is also available for free, making this the most acurate and low-cost option available. The only drawback is that these images are time-bombed and only work for about 3-4 months. However, new ones are usually available as soon as the old ones expire. You can find the current images here: http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=21eabb90-958f-4b64-b5f1-73d0a413c8efdisplaylang=en Additionally, as Microsoft Virtual PC (the application, not the images) only run on the Windows platform, this is pretty useless for Linux of Mac users. The good news however is that VirtualBox—which does run on both Linux and Mac OS X—natively supports MS VPC images. You'd have to check the EULA that comes with the IE app Compat images to see if this is allowed. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Darrin Potaka dpot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi - I hope this is on topic - I'm asking because I try to author to good standards... I need to install IE 6.0 alongside of IE 8. Running WIN XP SP 3. The multiple installer at TredoSoft which used to work wont install - are there any other options? Darrin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] working with line-height
I frequently have to work with pixel-perfect design http://aspnetresources.com/blog/dear_art_director.aspx , and I'm always having trouble with line-height in particular. Please take a look at this example: http://www.hellobenlau.net/wsg/index.html http://www.hellobenlau.net/wsg/index.html I'm wondering if there was a way to top align the text to its line-height. So say, with text size 20px, could the top of the 'T' be aligned to the top of the pink box? How does the 'gap' above and below the text gets calculated? As far as I know, browsers always render a bit of extra space above and below to allow for accents, descenders, ascenders and such. Please bear in mind that users tend to like line-heights of 1.2 or a bit bigger. If you can, try to introduce a vertical rhythm in your texts and your users will thank you even more :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] web page and style sheet problems still
Hey Marvin, From what I've always learned, it's best to make the table a bit more explicit including tbody, tfoot and thead tags. You can also define colgroups. What do you mean when you say that Internet Explorer 8 + Jaws doesn't see your table? Regards, Matijs On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. put the - and did not have sans-serif, but had sanserif. and now what is the correct colour code. internet explorer 8. not reading properly with jaws 10. so might have to contact freedom scientific and see what they have to say about this. and not detecting the table on the front page, even though i have it there. so wonder if it could be a internet explorer 8 issue. post this to the list as well. cheers Marvin. E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] fonts problems
Could you provide us with a little more information? Perhaps a snippet from the HTML file where you include the style sheet and a snippet from the style sheet where you're setting the font? We can probably help you out from there. I'm not totally sure what you mean by insert f On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote: hi. just opened a web project i did about 18 months for one of my web design courses and changes the content on one page. got a style sheet called Joes_Style.css in a folder called Styles. but when i do a insert f it does not say the font, just the font size and the alignment. using internet explorer 8. have i got my style sheet placement in the wrong place. or is this the default for internet explorer 8. please help me out. real weird. cheers Marvin. ps: the fonts i used are verdana, which i have, arial, sans-serif, helvitica . but have not got those fonts except for verdana, but not showing up in the fonts on my machine. where can i get the other fonts? E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Help - Mega dropdown menu and SharePoint 2007
Hello Miranda, Having worked on several Sharepoint 2007 based internet facing websites myself, the one thing I've learned is that the biggest challenge is to get Sharepoint to output valid non–table–based HTML. All the rest should be quite easily solved with CSS. It really depends on how comfortable your developers are with working with Sharepoint. In my experience there are a lot of back-end developers doing front-end work that they're not qualified to do which makes them resort to table based layouts c. Good luck! Matijs On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 12:31 AM, WEE, Miranda miranda@deta.qld.gov.auwrote: Hi all, Has anyone had any experiencing trying to implement the ‘mega dropdown menu’ (see article below) in a SharePoint site? I'm going to attempt to do it, but thought anyone who has already been through this might have some tips / advice for me. Alertbox: Mega Drop-Down Navigation Menus Work Well *http://www.useit.com/alertbox/mega-dropdown-menus.html*http://www.useit.com/alertbox/mega-dropdown-menus.html Summary: Big, two-dimensional drop-down panels group navigation options to eliminate scrolling and use typography, icons, and tooltips to explain the user's choices. Cheers Miranda *Miranda Wee* Web Development Officer (Digital resource services) The Learning Place http://www.learningplace.eq.edu.au/ eLearning Branch Education Queensland PO BOX 1238 Coorparoo DC 4151 Ph +61 7 3421 6608 miranda@deta.qld.gov.au This message (including attachments) is intended for the addressee named above. It may also be confidential, privileged and/or subject to copyright. If you wish to forward this message to others, you must first obtain the permission of the author. If you are not the addressee named above, you must not disseminate, copy, communicate or otherwise use or take any action in reliance on this message. You understand that any privilege or confidentiality attached to this message is not waived, lost or destroyed because you have received this message in error. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender and delete from any computer. Unless explicitly attributed, the opinions expressed in this message do not necessarily represent the official position or opinions of the State of Queensland or the Department of Education, Training and the Arts. Whilst all care has been taken, the Department of Education, Training and the Arts disclaims all liability for loss or damage to person or property arising from this message being infected by computer virus or other contamination. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] old horizontal list formatting issue in ie
Hello Kevin,
Not sure what you mean by stretch to the width of the ul in ie
Do you mean to distribute them evenly within the width of the ul?
Please clarify a little :)
Matijs
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:52 AM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi,
Its late and i forget what makes these li's stretch to the width of the ul
in ie?
ul.bos_image_index {
margin-left: 0;
padding-left: 0;
white-space: nowrap;
}
.bos_image_index li {
display: inline;
list-style-type: none;
border:1px solid black;
}
.bos_image_index li a {
border:1px solid pink;
}
.bos_image_index li:hover {
border-bottom:2px solid #333;
}
.bos_image_index li img{
height:45px;
width:60px;
}
for example see:
http://soathar.macdesign.eu/seamus-gallery
(silly border colors applied for visual aid)
-best
kevin
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Re: [WSG] firefox treatment of wrapper overflow height
These days it's also known how to do a clear without an additional clearing
div... try giving the troublesome div overflow:hidden en you should also be
sorted.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:04 PM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you david,
a tip from that article has me sorted.
I put a div at the bottom of the rapper content like this:
div class=clear/div
.clear{clear:both}
nice trick just kind of forces,
but I still dont understand why the outer wrapper would'nt scale
automatically with three
columns in an inner wrapper with no heights set anywhere /unless /the
outerwrapper was floated left or right itself..
-best
kevin
David Hucklesby wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:08:47 +0100, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
hi,
I have a wrapper in that wont scale to its contained content/divs but
there are no
heights set in the divs that i can see. Is there something else that can
cause this? -
Yes. If the content has A.P. blocks or floats that are not contained
then the containing DIV might not expand.
If the problem is due to floats, there are several methods available
for containing them here:
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/web_design_101_floats/
Cordially,
David
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Re: [WSG] Help
Wrong group I'm afraid Bidemi, but one wonders, why Flash in the first place? On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Bidemi Adejumo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Is there anyone who can design guestbook with flash? I guess you know what the question means.. .. I want someone to teach me how to develop guest book with flash. Thanks Bidemi. -- Love to be Loved! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Validation
Google is your friend: SWFObject2 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Fuji kusaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I have a flash animation in my webpage and this causes a big problem when i have to validate the page. Can someone help me out? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image
I would change the height from 100% to auto to maintain the aspect ratio of
the picture.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Per Allan Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I do it here:
http://www.sydost.no/
Like this, in head
style type=text/css
html {height:100%;}
body {height:100%; margin:0; padding:0;}
#bg {position:fixed; top:0; left:0; width:100%; height:100%;}
.outer_framework {position:relative; z-index:1;}
/style!--[if IE 6]style type=text/css
html {overflow-y:hidden;}
body {overflow-y:auto;}
#bg {position:absolute; z-index:-1;}
.outer_framework {position:static;}
/style![endif]--
And then I include the picture in my html, not the coolest thing but it
works:
div id=bgimg alt= height=100%
src=http://www.sydost.no/images/bg.jpg; width=100% //div
Hope it helps.
Kind regards
Per Allan Johansson
Enonic
dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev følgende den 30.06.08 22.04:
this is true.
On 6/30/08, Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SVG is not really suitable for photos though.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i
read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make
it fit infinite screen resolutions.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do
it?
does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything
at different sizes?
?
On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote:
On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to
the
current window size? I've done some research via Google and it
appears
this
can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some
JavaScript?
there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the
process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images
to
scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the
future
for web images.
cheers,
dwain
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Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image
Off topic to the list maybe but this might also be interesting for those who like SVG: http://vectormagic.com/ It converts bitmaps to scalable vector graphics and does an impressive job at that :) On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Matthew Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SVG is not really suitable for photos though. Which is mostly true but SVG can contain bitmaps and as the goal is to scale the bitmap to 100% anyway then using SVG as a container format would be appropriate (or at least identical to bitmaps, aside from file size). Unrelated, but here's an example of using SVG vectors for a background image... http://holloway.co.nz/wellypug/svg/svg-test2.html .Matthew Holloway http://docvert.org/ http://holloway.co.nz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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rofl :') On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha ha – and yes!! On 1/7/08 2:59 PM, Matthew Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Polly Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks Polly Templeton National Museum of Australia I don't know about you all but I'm maintaining a spreadsheet called People not to hire based on their ability to use the WSG list. .Matthew Holloway http://holloway.co.nz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image
SVG is not really suitable for photos though. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed. i read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make it fit infinite screen resolutions. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it? does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything at different sizes? ? On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote: On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript? there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the process. i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to scale to a screen's resolution. but anyway, svg is the wave of the future for web images. cheers, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.typingthevoid.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] semantic issue
Hello good people of the WSG list, Currently I'm working on a website with a community / web 2.0-ish feel to it. I'm having trouble deciding what tags to use for certain elements on a page. These elements are: - mail a friend - vote the article up - vote the article down - copy I want to embed this on my own site code from an input field - the number of times the article has been viewed - tags associated with the article In the design there's a kind of control panel with these options next to the article itself. I was thinking of the good old ul but I'm not entirely sure. The options aren't very similar in that they're part control (the voting) and part meta information and part helping the user copy stuff. I am curious what people's thoughts are on how to mark this up semantically. Gr. Matijs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
Regardless of whether you stick alternative navigation in the div that's going to be replaced, I've personally found using Flash for navigation about the worst use of Flash possible. Are you sure that you cannot achieve what you want by using HTML with some enhancements thrown in by javascript? On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25 Jun 2008, at 00:35, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? Assuming SWFObject 2 is like SWFObject 1 it writes your Flash file into a named Div. This div can (and should) hold alternative/falback content, which in this case should clearly be a fully-functioning html/css navigation system. If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation javascript-dependant). If you don't provide a fallback then all the pitfalls that Patrick lists are, of course, applicable. And whether the SWFObject system plays nicely with all combinations of assistive technology is another issue, but one that I can't answer. I seem to recall reading that SWFObject 2 has an alternative method of implementation that doesn't require javascript (v1 only had the javascript option) but I've not toyed with it since version 1 so I can't confirm. -- Rick Lecoat www.sharkattack.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?
If the number of times the font is used per page isn't excessive, you could also resort to sIFR3 for font replacement. Check: http://novemberborn.net/sifr3 for more information. If you need help with this, you can contact me off-list. :) Gr. Matijs On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Lynette Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to start a site that is going to be basically several image gallery site pages. My client is an artist. I asked for some text for the site but she doesn't want clutter. She asked: how does it work with key words I realise i have not included many. are they necessary these days and if so can they be incorporated to suit search engines without visually disturbing the presentation. She basically wants the website to look the same as the Power Point Presentation which is what I am working from. The problem is that what text there is - site title and subtitle, navigation menu names and individual painting titles- is in a very obscure font Andy that seems to be obsolete. A quick search of the web revealed it was used in several programmes late 80's/early 90's and doesn't seem to be available as a free download. I asked if I could change the font but apparently all her printed matter is in this particular font so she wants to use it on the website. I can use image replacement for the title but I would really like to use a standard font for the rest. I suppose I will have to rely on ALT text. Is there anything else I should consider? Thanks. Lyn Western Web Design Perth WA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate
There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how many links are pointing to a page (either internally or externally), thereby measuring its 'popularity'. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Lecoat wrote: If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation javascript-dependant). Hi rick, Yes but do search engines count the times an xhtml link is clicked or when the page is loaded? For example: If there are two sites. one uses a swf object 2 swf for navigation like this: div id=swf_obeject_content ul class=navlist lia href... lia href... /ul /div One doesnt: div id=regurlar_div ul class=navlist lia href... lia href... /ul /div would google give the same ranking to both pages?? is it possible to be sure? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'
script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript/script works script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript / doesn't On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow the issue... Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken McInnes Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems' G'day all, Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with Firefox 2 rendering. If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the validators will not pick it up as a problem - is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and - it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head') *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour
I assume by IE in this case you mean IE6, not that it's younger brother
doesn't have its share of problems ;) In IE7 centering a column like this
should work.
But what Gonzalo said should work. He just beat me to it :)
If you're interested in trying a different way, have a look at this:
http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/center2.html
Gr.
Matijs
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all, if this is off topic I apologise in advance.
I have a slight issue with IE (surprise surprise) on a page I'm *working*
on. In FF and Safari (PC and Mac) my page is centred (#wrap). In IE it's
not. Although not a standards-based question (I think) I wonder if anyone
has the 'fix' for it?
Code CSS snippet:
body {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
#wrap {
width: 832px;
margin: 0 auto;
}
The page: http://www.servicemanagement.co.uk/new.htm
Many thanks in advance,
Rob
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Blog: http://enslin.co.uk
Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin
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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] html vs. html
I used to have a browser extension that depended on java that could take really nice screen shots. Either a whole webpage or just the viewport. I'm sure you could find it on the mozilla extensions website. Matijs On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:48 AM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Are there any free services like net renderer that show firefox 2x. scree captures? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems
I have to agree with Elizabeth here. Semantically I'd say that this is one of the few occasions where a br/ would be appropriate. The verses would be paragraphs of course. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to say I'm at a loss to see how a poem can be interpreted as a list! One of the simplest tests (for me) of 'is this markup semantically appropriate?' is to consider what your reaction would be if you saw it without styles (or more correctly, with default styling). I would certainly be taken aback to see a verse marked up as a bulleted list! And consider the effect in a screen reader: would it help the vistor to hear at the beginning of each verse 'list of twelve items bullet Shall I compare the to a summer's day? Bullet Thou art more lovely and more temperate bullet etc' Elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aldona Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2008 12:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but it seems no one has made what seems to be the most obvious suggestion. When I was still in class we had an exercise with a poem and used an unordered list. Would this be a viable option? You could even have a different list for each verse and then still do the fancy styling. What do people think of that as an option? IceKat Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Must you Australian's *always* have the last say? ;) not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party Is that why what you say most often makes no sense? :-) Georg *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3
Drawback is of course that only Mozilla based browsers understand this.
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I use:
*html{ overflow:-moz-scrollbars-vertical; }*
... and it works fine for me :-)
Gregorio Espadas
http://espadas.com.mx
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Алексей Тен [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You should try
html { overflow-y: scroll; }
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 16:53, Mark Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always used:
html{min-height:100.1%;}
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Re: [WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site
Best tip for me for ages, thanks man! On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Gonzalo González Mora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Hayden's Harness Attachment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an Intranet site I wish to put through the HTML validator. How do I validate the Internet site. Download and save the code? then upload the code to the HTML validator? Angus MacKinnon Infoforce Services http://www.infoforce-services.com Faith is the strength by which a shattered world shall emerge into the light. - Helen Keller *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Hello Angus, You can go here: http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_upload, select your file and upload it. You'll get the validation results of the uploaded file. You can use the Web Developer add-on for Firefox and press CTRL+SHIFT+A, it automates this process. Gonzalo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Table Cells and display: block
Do you have a little more context maybe? What is it you're trying to do? Sounds a bit odd to display a table cell as a block tbh. On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Anthony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried Google and the archives but no luck I have an issue with IE not applying display:block to table elements: tr, td, tr etc Anyone see this before and know a work around ? Tony *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
How about:
titleThe Times/title
h1Homepage/h1
h2There's water on mars/h2
titleThe Times/title
h1Financial stuff/h1
h2Redmond stock going down further/h2
etc...
Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image be best?
And if so, where?
Matijs
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agree... but if you are wrapping it in a block element so that you can
position it etc... then it is easier just to change its properties via css
to act like a block element. No need for extra markup.
Stuart Foulstone wrote:
But, CSS changes presentation - displaying something as block doesn't
stop it being an inline element, just it's presentation.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 11:18 pm, Adam Martin wrote:
img is only an inline element by default. Some simple css fixes that. An
inline element does not have to be contained in a block level element at
all!
img {
display: block
}
Kroon.Kurtis wrote:
I'm not top-posting
-Original Message-
From: Miscellaneous
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only
holding an image, then there is no need for the surrounding p tag.
--Matt
... see what www.alistapart.com is now using --Roxanne
... beginning to think [a plain] html image tag would be better suited
to mark-up a company logo --Chris
... I already blogged that. --Jason
... only the homepage should have the company name/logo as the h1. As
you move through the site, the h1 should shift to the more specific top
heading on the page - on a category/index page it would be that
category's name; on a specific content page it should be the headline on
the content. --Ben
... fwiw, I don't see it that way. A web site is not a book, there is no
cover. People can visit pages in a site without ever going through the
home page. --Thierry
... etc.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this ... but img is an inline
element.
So, it has to be contained in a block-level element, like p, h#, div,
etc.
Kurtis Kroon
Franchise Tax Board
State of California
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Re: [WSG] PHP Standards
I haven't had time to look into other frameworks but make sure to check out Zend as well. It's at version 1.5.2. at this time and it has a nice built-in templating system. On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:05 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a number of ways to get tasks done on the intnernet. Some hard core programmers would use plain old C and CGI. As for PHP Standards, follow the manual and best practices. Get a book on design patterns, especially the one by the Gang Of Four, as these patterns can crossover to the majority of programming languages. There are also plenty of MVC (Model-View-Controller) frameworks such as cakePHP and Symphony. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Centering all items in a li
I think semantically I would have gone for divs in the first place as it's not really a list perse... On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Darren Lovelock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a example of what I'm doing http://www.munkyonline.co.uk/test.html I want the li's to behave the same as table cells set with valign:middle. I've had to float the li's left instead of displaying them inline otherwise they stack on top of each other in a mess! I suppose looking at it I could have used divs instead of a list but either way, I think it will still behave the same. Cheers, Darren -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rahul Gonsalves Sent: 18 May 2008 13:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering all items in a li Darren, On 17-May-08, at 8:09 PM, Darren Lovelock wrote: I've been trying to find a solution that will allow me to vertically center all the items in a li. The big problems i've got are that the li's are a non-fixed height and are floating to the left. A link to a stripped down test would be helpful. However, if you can't post a link, perhaps one of the links below will be helpful to you? Best, - Rahul. [1] http://www.brunildo.org/test/ [2] http://www.brunildo.org/test/vertmiddle.html [3] http://www.brunildo.org/test/valimid2.html [4] http://www.brunildo.org/test/va_lineheight.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Centering all items in a li
Sounds like you can only change the CSS and not the (x)HTML, is that correct? You're also floating the li's... that puts them behind eachother right? Would displaying them inline help? On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Viable Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, Try assigning a line-height and a height to the li, and make the two the same. Jo On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Darren Lovelock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah it is a bit of a tricky one lol! Looks like this is one example where tables are better for layout! Thanks very much for taking a look though :) Darren -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Fellows Sent: 18 May 2008 13:09 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering all items in a li lol I think I will leave this one alone, I think i'm making you're job more difficult instead of the other way around! Please do send through your solution when you find it so I can have that 'light bulb' moment. Cheers, -- Matt Fellows http://www.onegeek.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 background image positioning problem
And I've spent more time that I should have on this site already! At least
I've fixed up the lefthand nav so it holds together, and displays
correctly
in IE6 (which is as low as we have to go here).
We all feel your pain ;)
Anyway, good luck with the site and I'm sure you'll get it to work the way
you want it to.
Gr.
Matijs
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thanks very much Gunlaug - that did work!
And Matljs - re the banner table, I work at a university where you are
supposed to use their template for university web pages. And the template
is
all in tables!! Over time I have taken most of the template out of tables,
but to date have left the banner. This time I got the lefthand nav
successfully out! I'll have a look at using your solution next time but I
imagine it will take a while to get the banner to display the way it's
supposed to without being in a table.
And I've spent more time that I should have on this site already! At least
I've fixed up the lefthand nav so it holds together, and displays correctly
in IE6 (which is as low as we have to go here).
cheers
susie
On 15/5/08 6:13 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/index6.html
That big image on the right is a bg image in a container that has
absolute positioning. It works fine in Firefox on my Mac, but IE6 it
drops down.
Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
You're trying to fixed-position a background, which I don't think you
really want since that means the background is positioned relative to
the browser-window - not the page.
Anyway, IE6 can't handle fixed backgrounds on regular elements inside
body, so it is absolute positioning that background.
Change to...
#entryContainer {
background: #FFF url(entry-bg.jpg) no-repeat 193px 0;
}
...and IE6 will line up with the other browsers - or rather the other
way around but with all parts in the correct places.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] IE6 background image positioning problem
Hmm...
Wouldn't it be much easier to wrap the site in a wrapper, use a full with
header div (instead of the tabel you're using now) and then float a
navigation div and a content div underneath them?
div id=wrapper
div id=header
!-- your header stuff goes here --
!-- header --/div
div id=navigation
!-- your nav stuff goes here --
!-- navigation --/div
div id=content
!-- your content goes here --
!-- content --/div
div id=footer
!-- your footer goes here --
!-- footer --/div
!-- wrapper --/div
CSS:
div#wrapper { width: 780px;}
div#header {width: 780px;}
div#navigation {width: 192px; float: left;}
div#content {width: 588px; float: left;}
div#footer {width: 780px; clear both;}
When that's done, you can just stick the background image to your #content
div.
Hope this helps.
Matijs
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:05 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi there
I'm sure I should know how to fix this but I can't!
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/index6.html
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/uctlc6.css
That big image on the right is a bg image in a container that has absolute
positioning. It works fine in Firefox on my Mac, but IE6 it drops down.
I've
tried conditional comments taking out the vertical position on the image
but
it does nothing.
Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks
susie
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Re: [WSG] Conact Form!
James, Also, might want to consider getting rid of those ugly br/'s... You could try: label for=namespanName/spaninput type=text id=name//label Display the label and the span as a block and float the span and the input to the left, put a width on the span and you should be sorted. Greetings, Matijs On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:44 PM, james [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fixed it now thanks David Owens wrote: You need a block level element inside the form element. A fieldset would work nicely. 2008/5/15 james [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All; On my contact page i have used this code, however it comes back as not being valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional, am i missing something silly here? form label for=userName/label input type=text id=user value= /br / label for=companyCompany:/label input type=text id=company value= /br / label for=emailaddressEmail Address:/label input type=text id=emailaddress value= /br / label for=commentsComments:/label textarea name=comments /textarea br / input type=submit id=submitbutton value=Submit / /form Thanks James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1430 - Release Date: 13/05/2008 07:31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background on body not aligning with tiled background on wrapper DIV
Does overflow: hidden on the containing div and making the green bar wider help? On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've managed to put a page together. If you look at the green area in Firefox and IE you will notice a small gap at the right of the green area in IE. If you try to resize the browser by dragging it, you will notice the gap keeps closing then appearing. It's to do with the odd and even number of pixels on the window size when you have a centred background. Anyway, here is the test URL, anyone got an idea of how to solve this without an extra DIV?! http://paulcollinslondon.com/test/ Cheers Paul 2008/5/15 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for your reply Adam. I can't really put what's I have now due to copyright restrictions, or I would have. I was hoping someone had encountered this before and would know the answer. I'll have to try and set up a dummy page later today when I have more time. Thanks Paul 2008/5/15 Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: can we see an example? Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, I've seen this problem before, but can't remember how I solved it. Basically, I have put a centred background that repeats vertically on the body of my page using CSS. The main wrapper div is also centred and has a background sits on top of the Body one, but is only a fixed height Basically, they need to match up where they meet, which is working fine in Firefox, Safari, Opera, etc. The only place it's having an issue is IE6 7. I know what the problem is; the background is centred and the width of your browser can be an odd or even number, so it can't sit dead centre all the time. If I drag the browser in to resize it, the backgrounds keep matching up then falling out of place. I have solved this before without adding an extra div for the body background, but I just can't remember how I did it. Does anyone have an idea? Thanks Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] alt text and titles for linked images
I would do it this way:
ul class=bodyList
lia href=# class=body1 title=your title hereBody1/a/li
lia href=# class=body2 title=your title hereBody2/a/li
lia href=# class=body3 title=your title hereBody3/a/li
lia href=# class=body4 title=your title hereBody4/a/li
lia href=# class=body5 title=your title hereBody5/a/li
/ul
ul.bodyList {
list-style: none;
}
ul.bodyList li {
float: left;
}
ul.bodyList a {
display: block;
text-indent: -px; /* only if you don't want Body1 etc.. to show of
course */
text-decoration: none;
line-height: 50px /* your image's height */
}
a.body1 {
background: url(../to/image.gif) no-repeat;
width: 100px; /* your image's width */
}
a.body2 {
/* background, width, etc... */
}
Just a thought, but then again, I'm pretty keen on lists :)
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 9 May 2008, at 23:00, Krystian - Sunlust wrote:
Hi Rick,
I would give title to the link as the name of the organisation, since
the link leads there, and then the alt of the image as this company is
a member of the organization, because that's the reason that you show
this image and that's it's meaning.
Thanks Krystian, that makes sense.
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Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
Only resort to flash if what you want is impossible with plain old html and some javascript thrown in. And if you use flash, make sure there's an alternative. I think this page: http://www.schiphol.nl/toekomst/ ...is a good example of just that. Just turn off javascript and see what happens. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] :: Footer not resting at bottom of page ::
The (imho) best way to do this is by using the Man in Blue's FooterStickAlt:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Amrinder,
I would recommend this solution; it was given to me from a member of this
list a few months ago and worked great.
http://dusan.fora.si/blog/how-to-move-that-footer-to-the-bottom
Best Regards,
Tim
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Behalf Of *?? ?
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*Subject:* Re: [WSG] :: Footer not resting at bottom of page ::
#wrapper {
min-height:100%;
} is not enough
+
* html #wrapper {
height:100%;
}
html, body{
height:100%;
}
#footer {
margin-top:-50px;/* margintop = -(this height)*/
}
2008/4/22, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have problem with the footer of my website: www.awayback.com it is not
staying at bottom of the page. Things are fine in case of low
resolution i.e. 1024x768 but in high resolution screens (1200x1024)
footer is hanging mid way and not at bottom of the page.
Hi Amrider,
I would suggest adding another div id=wrapper around div
id=masthead
... div id=footer with a min-height of 100%:
div#wrapper {
min-height: 100%;
}
This should keep the footer at the bottom of the page on short pages.
Best regards,
Kepler Gelotte
Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854
www.neighborwebmaster.com
phone/fax: (732) 302-0904
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Re: [WSG] strechable round rect and center align
!-- outer div centered on the page --
div style=width: 500px; margin: 0 auto
!-- inner div centered within the outer div --
div style=margin: 0 auto; padding: 0 10px; background:
url('../path/to/left_side_image.png') no-repeat left;
span style=background: url('../path/to/right_side_image.png')
no-repeat right;Global Links/span
/div
/div
left_side_image.png is just the corners and the left border.
right_side_image.png is the right border, the corners on the right and way
wider top and bottom borders so it can stretch.
Haven't tested it so you might need to play a bit with padding here or
there. :)
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Naveen Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
hi,
I want a *rounded strechable rectangle* inside another rectangle which is
500px width. the *rounded strechable rectangle* should align center .
sample link: http://www.geocities.com/navi_menon/demo.gif
pls help
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navii
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thanks and regards
Naveen Bhaskar Menon
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Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Could you give us an example of how huge exactly the png is and what the width, height and DPI values for the PNG are? Thanks, Matijs On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susie, Yes it does, but this is what I've already used and I think the files are still rather huge!! My version is CS3. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 11:35 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) - susie On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still retaining their high quality?? If you just use Photoshop's normal Save functionality, selecting PNG as the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the Save for Web and Devices dialog instead and it will create much smaller files. HTH, Nick. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] seo / standards question
I'd go for nested lists ul liheading 1 ul liitem 1/li ... /ul /li liheading 2 ul etc... And use h's where they are actual headings like Dave Woods suggested. Gr. Matijs On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: list On Apr 09, 2008, at 14:36, kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, im generating a list of page links from my cms, its not really for a nav bar just a section of the site that has a number of related articles. im using h2 for the over all list label but am wondering what to use for the list break tags. right now im using li with the title of each page like this. h2section title/h2 ul liapage name 1/a/li liapage name 2/a/li ... /ul but im wondering if i should use h2's instead? would google give more importance to the h2s? plus it really is a list of page headings so i guess semantically it could go either way right? so either: h2section title/h2 h3apage name/a/h3 h3apage name2/a/h3 ... thanks in advance -kevin mcmonagle www.mcmonagledesign.com www.donegalimage.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css
Hello Dwain, Are you at liberty to elaborate on the reasons for wanting to support NN4? Thanks! Matijs On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dwain, 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will have to be quite simple. when i view this site on the internet with nn4 the design breaks. i expected this. nn4 sees the background png and the background images as well even though the rest of the design breaks. i placed netscape.css first and adg-styles.css second in meta order. i would expect that the same styles in both sheets would make nn4 go ga-ga, but i get no styles at all in nn4. i placed the same styles from the default sheet in the netscape style sheet to work on getting nn4 to at least accept margins, but no, nothing, nada. now i'm really puzzled. i'm going to work this out. any ideas why nn4 shows no styles, when fed the same style sheet that breaks it on the web, locally? dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Proxy HTTPS to HTTP
Hello Kevin, What exactly do you mean by proxying in this sense? I'll just assume some stuff :) If what your visitors are viewing is sent to them via a HTTP connection only, you're not misleading them (unless you tell them it's a safe connection), but you're also not using HTTPS. I assume that the webserver serving out the page does talk to another webserver over HTTPS but your visitors don't. So if this is the case, misleading no, but wrong, very likely. On the other hand, if what your visitors are viewing what's sent to them both via HTTP and HTTPS (for instance images and other static content via HTTP and the rest via HTTPS) then you're not misleading them but browsers might start to complain about some parts of the page not being sent over a secure connection. If this is the case, also not misleading or wrong, but not too sure if it's the nicest way of doing this. On a sidenote. I've only been following WSG for a few days now and I'm not entirely sure if this is on-topic. Feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss this off the list. Matijs On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 3:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have a few HTTPS pages on a separate URL that display dynamic information, (names, titles and telephone numbers, etc.), from a database. 99% of my pages are static HTTP pages. I want the URL for all my pages to be same as much as possible. I would like to proxy the HTTPS pages to my HTTP URL to have all pages fall under the same HTTP URL? I am trying to find out if this is misleading in any way to my web site visitors or wrong? Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
