RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-11 Thread RB Scott


-Original Message-
From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:13 PM
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RB Scott wrote:
You didn't describe your purpose.  While your footnotes may
support what you claim -- as I recall you provide a 
bibliography,
not traditional footnotes -- it requires the reader to assume
you've interpreted the source material correctly and that the
source material supports what you say.  I think it's 
wiser, more
compelling, to provide a summary quote or two with an 
appropriate
footnote.

Just like they do in TIME Magazine, Jonathan.  LOL  --JWR


Exactly like the do in TIME (excepting footnotes). NLOL RBS

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RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-10 Thread RB Scott
Jonathan:

I guess I'm confused as to what you intend to do with the pieces
you're writing? Do you imagine this as something you'd like to
get published? Are you writing a thesis of some kind? Are you
writing for your own purposes only?

For instance, you claim the rising divorce rate is the result of
women entering the job market, becoming self-sufficient
economically.  Yet, you present no evidence (other than opinions)
to bolster your argument.  If you want to convince someone you've
got to provide good backup data from objective sources.


RBS

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:17 PM
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Subject: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual


Howdy,
   My next chapters will be dealing with all the
new sources of
poverty that have shown up since the sixties...or before.
   I need information on corporations and on how
they are making
more money than before at the cost of employees
salaries...perhaps
also a chapter on jobs going overseas.
   Can any of you think of any other of major
sources of poverty
since 1960?  Credit cards?  Anything...

   Ron...the filter is off.  I'd appreciate your
input as well.
Be rude again and the filter goes right back up though.
 I doubt you
care, but nonetheless, I'm listening again.
--
Jonathan Scott


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RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Scott
Jonathan:

I guess I'm confused as to what you intend to do with the pieces
you're writing? Do you imagine this as something you'd like to
get published? Are you writing a thesis of some kind? Are you
writing for your own purposes only?
For instance, you claim the rising divorce rate is the result of
women entering the job market, becoming self-sufficient
economically.  Yet, you present no evidence (other than opinions)
to bolster your argument.  If you want to convince someone you've
got to provide good backup data from objective sources.
RBS
	I listed sources.  My opinion was one paragraph.  My sources 
took up the remainder of it.
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RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-10 Thread RB Scott


-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual


Jonathan:

I guess I'm confused as to what you intend to do with
the pieces
you're writing? Do you imagine this as something you'd like to
get published? Are you writing a thesis of some kind? Are you
writing for your own purposes only?

For instance, you claim the rising divorce rate is the
result of
women entering the job market, becoming self-sufficient
economically.  Yet, you present no evidence (other
than opinions)
to bolster your argument.  If you want to convince
someone you've
got to provide good backup data from objective sources.


RBS

   I listed sources.  My opinion was one paragraph.
 My sources
took up the remainder of it.


You didn't describe your purpose.  While your footnotes may
support what you claim -- as I recall you provide a bibliography,
not traditional footnotes -- it requires the reader to assume
you've interpreted the source material correctly and that the
source material supports what you say.  I think it's wiser, more
compelling, to provide a summary quote or two with an appropriate
footnote.

RBS

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RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Scott
 -Original Message-
From: Jonathan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

Jonathan:

I guess I'm confused as to what you intend to do with
the pieces
you're writing? Do you imagine this as something you'd like to
get published? Are you writing a thesis of some kind? Are you
writing for your own purposes only?
For instance, you claim the rising divorce rate is the
result of
women entering the job market, becoming self-sufficient
economically.  Yet, you present no evidence (other
than opinions)
to bolster your argument.  If you want to convince
someone you've
got to provide good backup data from objective sources.

RBS
I listed sources.  My opinion was one paragraph.
 My sources
took up the remainder of it.


You didn't describe your purpose.  While your footnotes may
support what you claim -- as I recall you provide a bibliography,
not traditional footnotes -- it requires the reader to assume
you've interpreted the source material correctly and that the
source material supports what you say.  I think it's wiser, more
compelling, to provide a summary quote or two with an appropriate
footnote.
RBS
	Please read my stuff more carefully.  Most of it is quotes 
with a link to the home page below it.  My commentaries, I make them 
as small as possible.
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Jonathan Scott

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RE: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-10 Thread John W. Redelfs
RB Scott wrote:
You didn't describe your purpose.  While your footnotes may
support what you claim -- as I recall you provide a bibliography,
not traditional footnotes -- it requires the reader to assume
you've interpreted the source material correctly and that the
source material supports what you say.  I think it's wiser, more
compelling, to provide a summary quote or two with an appropriate
footnote.
Just like they do in TIME Magazine, Jonathan.  LOL  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-10 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Jonathan Scott wrote:

What is a golddigger called if it's a man?  :)

Grampa Bill responds:
   I believe the term is gigolo... but this is different. What is a man 
called if his dad is trying to set him up with a beautiful, talented 
girl with a great personality and a high income?

   Fortunate, I'd say!  :-)

   'Bout the only thing wrong with her as near as I can tell, is who 
you'd be getting for a father-in-law!

Love Y'all,
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Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-10 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:

Nitpick for discussion concerning your questions:

So is it you or she who would not consider marriage to, frex, someone 
who held a TR but joined the Church too late to serve a mission as a 
young man?
=
Grampa responds:
   Didn't say it was a deal killer for either of us. Just tryin' to see 
what he's bringin' to the table!

   Rhetorical question, or you got somebody in mind?

Love Y'all,
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[ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-09 Thread Jonathan Scott
Howdy,
	My next chapters will be dealing with all the new sources of 
poverty that have shown up since the sixties...or before.
	I need information on corporations and on how they are making 
more money than before at the cost of employees salaries...perhaps 
also a chapter on jobs going overseas.
	Can any of you think of any other of major sources of poverty 
since 1960?  Credit cards?  Anything...

	Ron...the filter is off.  I'd appreciate your input as well. 
Be rude again and the filter goes right back up though.  I doubt you 
care, but nonetheless, I'm listening again.
--
Jonathan Scott

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Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-09 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Jonathan Scott wrote:

Can any of you think of any other of major sources of poverty 
since 1960?  Credit cards?  Anything...
=
Grampa Bill comments:
   The breakdown of the family stands at the head of the poverty cycle. 
Children  of single parents are many times more likely to be brought up 
in poverty than the offspring of functional families.

   Failure to obtain education, training, or skills is a certain route 
to a impoverished life. I have a daughter who is a pharmacist. The day 
she graduated, Wal-Mart kicked her 26 K wage up over 50K. Two months 
later, the very day she passed her Registry they made her a manager at a 
six figure salary. This from Wal-Mart, which has been called vicious 
and predatory. OTOH I have a niece who dropped out of high school and 
gave birth to a child out of wedlock. Guess which one will live a life 
of poverty?

   And no, I do not blame corporate America. If Wal-Mart paid their 
door greeters six figures, they'd be bankrupt in less than a year!

   All in all, I'd say the root cause of poverty in most cases is a 
failure to accept responsibility for our actions.

--

Love Y'all,
Grampa Bill in Savannah
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Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-09 Thread Rick Mathis
At 07:25 PM 3/9/2004, Bill wrote:

   She's single and IMHO a knock-out beauty. She has, however, been going 
steady with a non-member for some eight years now. She has sworn she 
would not marry outside the temple, but I see no signs of either marriage 
or her dumping him. Her older sister's opinion is she's just gotten 
comfortable and doesn't want to re-enter the dating scene,  but then, 
Older Sister has an opinion on most everything.

Yer boy TR eligible or card-carrying? RM?
Yes to both.  Hmm. 

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Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-09 Thread Jonathan Scott
At 07:25 PM 3/9/2004, Bill wrote:

   She's single and IMHO a knock-out beauty. She has, however, been 
going steady with a non-member for some eight years now. She has 
sworn she would not marry outside the temple, but I see no signs of 
either marriage or her dumping him. Her older sister's opinion is 
she's just gotten comfortable and doesn't want to re-enter the 
dating scene,  but then, Older Sister has an opinion on most 
everything.

Yer boy TR eligible or card-carrying? RM?
Yes to both.  Hmm.
What is a golddigger called if it's a man?  :)
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Re: [ZION] Help Me Please - Ignore as Usual

2004-03-09 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:25 PM 3/9/04, Grampa Bill in Savannah wrote:
Rick Mathis wrote:

So, Bill, is she married?  I have a 25 year old menace to society who 
doesn't seem to be making much movement in that direction.
=
Grampa answers.
   She's single and IMHO a knock-out beauty. She has, however, been going 
steady with a non-member for some eight years now. She has sworn she 
would not marry outside the temple, but I see no signs of either marriage 
or her dumping him. Her older sister's opinion is she's just gotten 
comfortable and doesn't want to re-enter the dating scene,  but then, 
Older Sister has an opinion on most everything.

Yer boy TR eligible or card-carrying? RM?


Nitpick for discussion concerning your questions:

So is it you or she who would not consider marriage to, frex, someone who 
held a TR but joined the Church too late to serve a mission as a young man?



-- Ronn!  :)

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Re: [ZION] Help Me Please

2004-03-05 Thread Jonathan Scott
Hello,
	I'm working on chapter three, and I need some help.  I'm 
compiling a list of all of the possible positive and negative things 
kids of the sixties would would have had to measure and consider 
when choosing whether or not (or how much) to abandon US 
culture...especially in light of the Vietnam War.

Adhering to US  Abandoning US
Culture Culture
---
Positives   Acceptance of   Life
  Parents   Sex
Honor   Drugs
Acceptance of
  Peers
Freedom
Fun
---
Negatives   Possible Death  Disapproval of
Terror  Parents
Possible Physical
  Handicap
Shame
P.S. I guess I wasn't very specific.  Could you please help me flesh 
out the above lists?  Thanks.
--
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RE: [ZION] HELP

2003-11-07 Thread Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz
Try--
http://www.topica.com/lists/zion/read

Ron Scott wrote:
 
 
 Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts 
 on
 line.  Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment.

--
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RE: [ZION] HELP

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
Thanks Sandy.

Friends:

For a number of pressing reasons, I am retreating (for the time being) to to
lurkdom, read at the website only-- no email.  If you wish my response on
a particular subject, please cc me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Be well and be careful.

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Re: [ZION] HELP

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Ron Scott wrote:
Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts on
line.  Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment.
http://topica.com/lists/zion/read

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RE: [ZION] HELP

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
http://www.topica.com/lists/zion/read/
Gary

Ron Scott wrote:
 
 
 Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts 
 on
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 Ron Scott
 
 
 



Gerald (Gary) Smith
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Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:16 PM 9/8/2003 -0600,St Steven wrote:
Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which 
says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and 
greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous will 
get more righteous and the wicked more wicked, or words to that effect. 
There must be someone here will have that at their fingertips grin.


I, too, remembered that one, but had not been able to remember when.  I 
just did a search and have come up with the following from the April 1983 
Conference, Elder Dean L. Larson.  It is pretty much as I remembered 
hearing it.  They are wise words with which I have tried to guide my life 
since then.  As he says, it's not always easy.  I often see the Saints 
following a few steps behind (myself included, embarrassed to say).

begin quote

The challenging conditions we find in the world today should be no surprise 
to us. As we approach the time of the Saviors return, wickedness will 
increase. There will be more temptations in our daily lives, and they will 
become more intense. It will become more acceptable in the world to break 
the laws of God or to disregard them altogether. The stigma attached to 
immoral, dishonest behavior will disappear.

In this difficult environment we will be expected to steer our own course 
in an upward direction. As President Kimball has warned us, it will neither 
be acceptable nor safe to remain on the plateaus where our present conduct 
has kept us. Abrupt downward forces, represented by increasing wickedness 
in the world, can only be offset by forces that move correspondingly 
upward. Our lives must be better than they have ever been before. This 
simply means that we will become increasingly different from those around 
us whose lives follow the worlds way. It is not easy to be different. There 
are intense pressures that work against us. But we must clearly understand 
that it is not safe to move in the same direction the world is moving, even 
though we remain slightly behind the pace they set. Such a course will 
eventually lead us to the same problems and heartaches. It will not permit 
us to perform the work the Lord has chosen us to do. It would disqualify us 
from his blessing and his protecting care.

The Lord has said that the time will come when there will be an entire 
separation of the righteous and the 
wicked.(HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/dc/63/54#54DC 63:54.) Nephi, in the 
Book of Mormon, said, For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall 
cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he 
destroy.(HTTP://Scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/30/10#102 Ne. 30:10.)

As we consider these promises, we should not forget the warning given by 
the Lord to the Latter-day Saints. Nevertheless, Zion shall escape if she 
observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her.
end quote

Till





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Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 05:45 AM 9/9/2003, you wrote:
At 06:16 PM 9/8/2003 -0600,St Steven wrote:
Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which 
says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and 
greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous 
will get more righteous and the wicked more wicked, or words to that 
effect. There must be someone here will have that at their fingertips grin.


I, too, remembered that one, but had not been able to remember when.  I 
just did a search and have come up with the following from the April 1983 
Conference, Elder Dean L. Larson.  It is pretty much as I remembered 
hearing it.  They are wise words with which I have tried to guide my life 
since then.  As he says, it's not always easy.  I often see the Saints 
following a few steps behind (myself included, embarrassed to say).

begin quote
quote deleted, only for brevity

Thanks, but John provided the quote I was searching for:

The General Conference address that comes to mind is I Testify by 
President Ezra Taft Benson who said in October 1988 conference:
I testify that as the forces of evil increase under Lucifer's leadership 
and as the forces of good increase under the leadership of Jesus Christ, 
there will be growing battles between the two until the final 
confrontation. As the issues become clearer and more obvious, all mankind 
will eventually be required to align themselves either for the kingdom of 
God or for the kingdom of the devil. As these conflicts rage, either 
secretly or openly, the righteous will be tested. God's wrath will soon 
shake the nations of the earth and will be poured out on the wicked without 
measure. (See JS-H 1:45; DC 1:9.) But God will provide strength for the 
righteous and the means of escape; and eventually and finally truth will 
triumph. (See 1 Ne. 22:15-23.)



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Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:26 AM 9/9/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote:
At 05:45 AM 9/9/2003, you wrote:
At 06:16 PM 9/8/2003 -0600,St Steven wrote:
Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which 
says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and 
greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous 
will get more righteous and the wicked more wicked, or words to that 
effect. There must be someone here will have that at their fingertips grin.


I, too, remembered that one, but had not been able to remember when.  I 
just did a search and have come up with the following from the April 1983 
Conference, Elder Dean L. Larson.  It is pretty much as I remembered 
hearing it.  They are wise words with which I have tried to guide my life 
since then.  As he says, it's not always easy.  I often see the Saints 
following a few steps behind (myself included, embarrassed to say).

begin quote
quote deleted, only for brevity

Thanks, but John provided the quote I was searching for:

The General Conference address that comes to mind is I Testify by 
President Ezra Taft Benson who said in October 1988 conference:
I testify that as the forces of evil increase under Lucifer's leadership 
and as the forces of good increase under the leadership of Jesus Christ, 
there will be growing battles between the two until the final 
confrontation. As the issues become clearer and more obvious, all mankind 
will eventually be required to align themselves either for the kingdom of 
God or for the kingdom of the devil. As these conflicts rage, either 
secretly or openly, the righteous will be tested. God's wrath will soon 
shake the nations of the earth and will be poured out on the wicked 
without measure. (See JS-H 1:45; DC 1:9.) But God will provide strength 
for the righteous and the means of escape; and eventually and finally 
truth will triumph. (See 1 Ne. 22:15-23.)


That's OK.  I've been wanting to find that other quote anyway.  It's also a 
keeper.  I've referred to it a number of times without having the exact 
citation. Amazing how consistent the words of the prophets are.  Pres ETB 
doesn't mince any words here, does he?  I see that alignment starting to 
take place.  The day of the fence sitter is nearly gone.

Till

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[ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which 
says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and 
greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous will 
get more righteous and the wicked more wicked, or words to that effect. 
There must be someone here will have that at their fingertips grin.



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There is one and only one legitimate goal of United States foreign policy. 
It is a narrow goal, a nationalistic goal: the preservation of our national 
independence. Nothing in the Constitution grants that the president shall 
have the privilege of offering himself as a world leader. He is our 
executive; he is on our payroll; he is supposed to put our best interests 
in front of those of other nations. Nothing in the Constitution nor in 
logic grants to the president of the United States or to Congress the power 
to influence the political life of other countries, to 'uplift' their 
cultures, to bolster their economies, to feed their people, or even to 
defend them against their enemies. (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 
614; see also pp. 682  704.)

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Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
It's already happening.

Stacy.

At 06:16 PM 09/08/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which 
says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and 
greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous will 
get more righteous and the wicked more wicked, or words to that effect. 
There must be someone here will have that at their fingertips grin.



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Steven Montgomery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is one and only one legitimate goal of United States foreign 
policy. It is a narrow goal, a nationalistic goal: the preservation of our 
national independence. Nothing in the Constitution grants that the 
president shall have the privilege of offering himself as a world leader. 
He is our executive; he is on our payroll; he is supposed to put our best 
interests in front of those of other nations. Nothing in the Constitution 
nor in logic grants to the president of the United States or to Congress 
the power to influence the political life of other countries, to 'uplift' 
their cultures, to bolster their economies, to feed their people, or even 
to defend them against their enemies. (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, 
p. 614; see also pp. 682  704.)

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