Re: [Zope] RE: Workflow and document management system in Zope
Thanks for the interesting URLs on workflow discussions. Corba Ecommerce has very interesting and thorough models of workflows, including UML diagrams and even an XML format for defining state machines. Sorry, this may be old news as I don't have time to follow up the actual threads beyond the first messages. But if not, anyone designing such a system for Zope *must* study the Corba stuff. Email me direct if the URLs haven't been published in the discussions and I'll be happy to dig them up (hard to find within www.omg.org). Or, (easier for me), I can email the (large) .pdf files direct. I also know that WfMC (Workflow Management Coalition, www.wfmc.org) has adopted many of OMG's workflow concepts in the past. I am not sure if what you are referring to is recent new development by OMG. For a diagram of WfMC's workflow reference model see the diagrams at: http://www.zope.org/Members/aboulang Regards, Albert Boulanger vPatch Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Workflow and document management system in Zope
I am looking for a workflow (WF) linked to a electronic document management (EDM) system and a groupware email based (I have just happened to come accross aethera from the Kompany) that would be free software and preferably in Zope + Python. The WF+DEM system I am looking for need to be usable with only a browser (to be independant from the client ... that could be proprietary !), store its data into a postgresql database. It should be demonstrablable (at least showable into a proof of concept) within 2 weeks and be already installable and usable within 2 or 3 months. (I have obtained taoday that the date when we'll decide on the system would be postponed 2 weeks from wednesday 24/1 to wed 7/2) If I could find such a marvel, I may find the money to pay for it, at least 5 $ to start with (this amount is a rapid guess; I may give more precise amounts we could spend in the following week) The idea is to use that combination of tools INSTEAD of buying a closed, proprietary solution (that may exist but be expensive and really har to parametrize), that NEED to be linked to a SAP ERP system. All suggestions and ideas are welcome, also on the selection criteria. (I happen to be responsible for the IT dept of the public institution that wants to buy such a tool, but be new in the place and do not yet know a lot about WF and EDM !) Soon I may be able to give you more details about the requirements. I don't think there is such as system polished and ready within 2 weeks. Here are some starting points: use wftk as a basis, the open source workflow toolkit -- http://.vivtek.com/wftk use openflow, a Zope based, but stalled project, http://openflow.sourceforge.net use Chautauqua, an old python based workflow system, http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~carlosm/chautauqua.html use the old UCI Endeavors workflow (java) system at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/endeavors/endeavors.html We have not bit the bullet and built anything yet. Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] standard_error_message woes!
You should be able to make "standard_error_message"s that do not generate secondary errors. If you fail, a crude minimal error handling should be okay as a last resort. The Lisp system on Symbolics had both. It had a too-many-error-frame detector for the error reporter that used a crude system when triggered. It would be nice that the crude error messages be settable in a way that is hardended, perhaps env vars? FYI, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vpatch.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: [Zope-PTK] Example activity-explicit workflow system
I am very interested in a general, fairly full featured workflow system on top of Zope as opposed to using an external workflow product for a fundamental reason. While one could come up with a way of getting what I need with an external system, it would be messy. I need workflows to be explicit and versioned. We make use of ZODB to version content that end users generate. We don't make use of Zope's versioning but use or own hierarchical version tree which is easy to do in Zope. End users generate new workflows and revisit past workflows. The user sees this versioning as notebook pages using a scientific notebook metaphor. It is much cleaner to use ZODB and ZPublisher to do all this instead of having a version tree in Zope and a bunch of correspondences to outside objects in an external workflow system. Thus, there is a lot of value in having a fairly general workflow system whose representation and publishing uses ZODB and ZPublisher. By the way, if there are other folks interested in such a workflow system let me know. We may just bite the bullet and build one. I have who will do most of the coding in mind. What will be produced is a Zope-based workflow system with a java thin client visual workflow/dataflow editor. Right now I do not have the funding but folks with resources could speak now ;-). Regards, Albert Boulanger CTO vPatch Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vpatch.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Example activity-explicit workflow system
For those interested in workflow systems and workflow within Zope, the following workflow system may be useful to try out. It models workflow steps explicitly and a workflow becomes a graph with a visual editor. I have been meaning to send along some resources in this area I have been accumulating. The Endeavors group at UCI developed this and the peer-to-peer system they built, Magi, is now at www.endtech.com as open source. They are still developing the workflow product but an early prototype you can download and play with is at: http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/endeavors/endeavors.html See also the papers and the web-based workflow thesis at: http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/endeavors/docs/papers/ There was discussion of graphical system to present workflow. I have looked at several, including the AtT stuff. When I have time, I will send a separate email with some that I have found. One thing to look at which is ActiveX based at the moment is http://www.lassalle.com/ A general purpose Flowcharting/Diagramming ActiveX control. I am very interested in a general, fairly full featured workflow system on top of Zope as opposed to using an external workflow product for a fundamental reason. While one could come up with a way of getting what I need with an external system, it would be messy. I need workflows to be explicit and versioned. We make use of ZODB to version content that end users generate. We don't make use of Zope's versioning but use or own hierarchical version tree which is easy to do in Zope. End users generate new workflows and revisit past workflows. The user sees this versioning as notebook pages using a scientific notebook metaphor. It is much cleaner to use ZODB and ZPublisher to do all this instead of having a version tree in Zope and a bunch of correspondences to outside objects in an external workflow system. Thus, there is a lot of value in having a fairly general workflow system whose representation and publishing uses ZODB and ZPublisher. There seems to be a principle here on how to layer systems correctly on top of ZODB and ZPublisher or any persistant-object web publishing system. One way is very clean and simple and other ways are nightmares. Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] mynetscape-like product
Dose anyone have a product or modification to the user's page in the PTK to behave like the user customizable layout you get at sites like mynetscape.com? This would work with RSS and OCS syndication sources (as well as others). Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZopeWeaver?
One trick I use on my NT box is to use Dreamwaver for all the major html content which end in a .html extension and htmlkit for the index_html and like files. FYI, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Ah, I found it -- Estimate of community size
This was the item is was looking for on how big the Members folders was, FYI. From: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZWN/ZWN-2000-09-26/index_html?pp=1 Zope Web by Ethan Fremen Exorcising Zope.org The extremely large Members folder (11139 of you!) and acl_users folder was causing Zope.org to load nearly 50 MB of "Ghosts" - stateless objects - into memory. The ever resourceful Shane Hathaway jumped in with his BTreeFolders for both the acl_users folder and the Members folder. Now, instead of 26,000 objects loaded at once, only about 1,000 or so get loaded. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Ah, I found it -- Estimate of community size
Now, I wonder wich statement is more accurate: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZWN/ZWN-2000-09-26/index_html?pp=1 Zope Web by Ethan Fremen Exorcising Zope.org The extremely large Members folder (11139 of you!) and acl_users folder was causing Zope.org to load nearly 50 MB of "Ghosts" - stateless objects - into memory. or From: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZWN/ZWN-2000-11-08 "Zope Web by Ethan Fremen How Many Zopatistas? [] There are 1617 members of [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 409 members of zope-dev. There are 200,000 unique visits to zope.org every month (ok, that's a record :). ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] ZopeWeaver?
From: Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:05:30 +0100 (CET) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 517 albert boulanger writes: One trick I use on my NT box is to use Dreamwaver for all the major html content which end in a .html extension and htmlkit for the index_html and like files. Place a DTML method(!) "index_html" high in your Zope hierarchy with the following code: dtml-var index.html From then on, you can happily create "index.html" below that point in the hierarchy. It will be used as the default folder view. In fact, "index_html" is used but that redirects to "index.html". Yup. This is what I do and use htmlkit for those small index_html or other DTML method files that don't represent html content, but more logic. Albert ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope
One query about your plans for PTK. In my opinion it would be good to incorporate into it, at some level, capability like Microsoft's Digital Dashboard -- you know like mynetscape.com edit capabilities. (Actually the use of dynamic html in Excite's version of the same thing is nicer.) I would think that this functionality is factorable enough to make it a separate product. Has anyone have plans to do such a thing? Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Factoids for supporting zope
I am going through a justification (risks) of the use of Zope for a corporate client. Framing things as an Open Source play relies on the health of its community for its longevity and access to expertise for support. I remember some number tossed out when the Members folder at zope.org went to Btree. What is the current # of Members? Is this an estimate of the Zope community? I think there is probably some dead wood in that # but at least its an estimate. I remember it being over 10K. Our client thought that the recent VC money was about 1/2 what would be needed to make it fly. My argument is that money is leveraged by the active Zope community so a crux in my logic is how strong this community is. Other support? Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope
From: "Chris McDonough" [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Length: 1049 - Original Message ----- From: "albert boulanger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope I am going through a justification (risks) of the use of Zope for a corporate client. Framing things as an Open Source play relies on the health of its community for its longevity and access to expertise for support. I remember some number tossed out when the Members folder at zope.org went to Btree. What is the current # of Members? Is this an estimate of the Zope community? I think there is probably some dead wood in that # but at least its an estimate. I remember it being over 10K. Not sure... Our client thought that the recent VC money was about 1/2 what would be needed to make it fly. My argument is that money is leveraged by the active Zope community so a crux in my logic is how strong this community is. 1/2 of what would be needed to make it fly with Zope? Or 1/2 of what would be needed with any app server? Since they come from a non Zope context it would be from the general position and the onus is on me to bring in the Zope context in the construction of my argument. Regards, Albert ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Factoids for supporting zope
From: "Chris McDonough" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:41:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Length: 851 Our client thought that the recent VC money was about 1/2 what would be needed to make it fly. My argument is that money is leveraged by the active Zope community so a crux in my logic is how strong this community is. 1/2 of what would be needed to make it fly with Zope? Or 1/2 of what would be needed with any app server? Since they come from a non Zope context it would be from the general position and the onus is on me to bring in the Zope context in the construction of my argument. Ah. Well, my opinion is that it'd be fairly dangerous to make the assertion that (as great as they both are) Zope and the Zope community can "make up for" the other half of the capital they need to develop the software they want. So what's the decision they're trying to make? Whether to develop at all? Whether to go with portal products from Plumtree or iPlanet. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] How about removing broken things like Confera andZDiscussions?
There is a ZDiscussions that works. It is called ZUBB. http://www.zope.org/Members/BwanaZulia/ZUBB But, I agree, old product that have been left behind (the old version of ZDiscussions/Confera) should be marked and or archived. J Might be better to have a more formal declaration of the dependencies on versions of products relied upon at the download pages -- for some products this has become a tricky and madning process to make sure all the versions are correct for a product to run. This is natural in the progress of Zope and Zope products and will become even more and issue as Zope matures even further. This can be formalized. I do like the way SGI does some of this. Just my cents (sense). Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] WDDX anyone?
Has anyone considered WDDX for Zope? This seems like a nice next step to exchanging data beyond RSS, but not as ambitious as SOAP and has SDKs for CF, perl, etc. I have some applications in mind for intranet syndication that goes beyond what RSS can do. Also there is full rdf. From: http://www.wddx.org/ Welcome to WDDX.ORG, the home of the WDDX SDK and related projects. WDDX.ORG seeks to empower Web developers with technology that enables them to create new forms of value on the Internet using distributed data and Web syndicate networks. The Web Distributed Data Exchange, or WDDX, is a free, open XML-based technology that allows Web applications created with any platform to easily exchange data with one another over the Web. To learn more about WDDX, check out the Understanding WDDX section of the site. Who created WDDX? Allaire created WDDX in order to solve key problems in exchanging data between Web applications. In particular, Simeon Simeonov, Allaire's language technology architect, created WDDX to support problems of distributed computing within ColdFusion. This work was generalized into a cross-language framework, and resulted in the creation of the WDDX SDK and WDDX.org. The WDDX SDK was created by Nate Weiss, an independent Web developer, with the support of Allaire and a number of other third parties. How does WDDX work? All of the standard programming environments on the Web (ColdFusion, Perl, ASP, Java, JavaScript, PHP, etc) include native data structures such as arrays, record sets or value pairs. WDDX provides a module for each language that will automatically serialize or translate the native data structures into an abstract representation in XML, or deserialize WDDX XML into a native data structure. For example, you could use WDDX to take a complex array in ColdFusion, serialize it into XML, send it to an ASP server, and then deserialize from XML into a VBScript array object with all the types natively converted. This conversion process between languages is relatively transparent to developers by shifting any XML processing and interaction into the WDDX modules, eliminating developers from having to directly program or manipulate XML themselves, This is not an RMI mechanism. Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] WDDX anyone?
So what about this couldn't be emulated with xml-rpc? Curious, Kapil True.. But, well, its the other end. The SDK available at www.wddx.org is a path towards exchanging data with other well known systems such as ASP and CF. I found out that the PYTHON XML package does include WDDX serialization... cool. Regards, Albert ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] CASE in point -- [Zope] Simple dtml-unless problem
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Tim Hicks wrote: dtml-unless "id == 'index_html'" Sometimes id is string, sometimes it is a function. dtml-unless "_['id'] == 'index_html'" This is a great example of DTML as a language having a multiple personality disorder. This violates a principle of consistent syntax/semantics. It wants to fool you that you could in fact do dtml-unless "id == 'index_html'" but no. I understand why DTML was designed this way, but in attempting to be a very convenient language in syntactic simplicity, it did not do it to completion and there are these traps that many of us learn over long weekends. Early adopters will go through this, but it is a "crossing the chasm" item to be addressed. Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Looking for Zope vs. Others at-a-glance comparison
Exactly. My concern is to get the right kind of discussion going because it is going to need some differnt kinds of minds to work together. This meshes with my thinking recently. I think many in the Zope community are "early-adopters" kind of people -- willing to put up with spending time to know the ins and outs of DTML or python programmers who would do most in python. A python programmer or early adopter does not a typical web design team make. Personally. I like the notion of a DTML an that you can do a little business logic there if you choose to. This issue with DTML in my mind is that its syntax/semantics design throws people for loops that can waste their time for sometimes days. Early adopters will go through this trial by fire. I did and now on the other side I know the gotchas. Early adopters are a special breed of people that will give a new product a ring of success but this pool saturates easily, leading a new company to the chasm. To cross the chasm, and reach a broader audience, this trial by fire phase of becoming a productive Zope user has to be reduced -- in addition to addressing other productivity parts of the bigger product pie mentioned in prior messages. If you are interested in understanding the business of Crossing the Chasm, I would recommend a book by the same name. I think the Zope story is still unfolding on how an open source product will cross the chasm. Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] keeping Java Servlets session ids based on url rewriti ng
I've done a little poking around in ZPublisher's HTTPRequest.py and BaseRequest.py and I don't think that's where the ';*' gets stripped. I can't find *where* it gets stripped. It must be possible to make Zope de-ignore things split on a ";", but right now I can't find out where to do so. Um from looking at the code I think it may be Zserver not Zpublisher doing it. I think there is code which set up the CGI env vars at Zpublisher pick em up and works with them, so it is the code that sets those GCI vars that is dropping it. Isn't it tru that if you use APACHE, they are set by APACHE and is you use Zserver w/o frontending it with APACHE something in Zserver has to be setting them? Regards, Albert ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] keeping Java Servlets session ids based on url rewriting
Hmmm.. can you take a step back and restate the problem more generally? What is the goal? We use servlets for java to java com between applets and the server. Inside, the servlets communicates to C++ based servers for objects and events. Servlet sessions are used to help ensure validation for the object and event servers. User database is also stored in the object repository. Getting the session id for the servlet back into Zope (I was going to store it in a SQLSession object.) was the reason for preserving the ;sessionid from a response redirect generated by servlet. All pages with applets would be written with the servlet session ID as a parameter. We were going to use https for anything with session ids in them so they can not be sniffed for. I had not decided if the user database exchange would be done by using the client as a relay with user info emedded in user,md5-password-signature components in the session id response redirect or some Zope to JServ direct handshaking using ZPatterns-based Membership. Yet another alternative would be the swig Python interface directly to the object server and Zpatterns. Hope this helps clarifys things.. Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] keeping Java Servlets session ids based on url rewriting
I am using the latest Zope release using ZServer directly (but will be
running under Apache)
I need to coordinate Zope based sessions and servelet sessions. We
will be using url rewriting (I know use cookies, but we are doing
worst case planning.). As you may know the rewritten urls that the
servlet does look like http://foo/bar;$id here$. I need to retain
the stuff after the ;. This seems to be dropped i think in ZServer. I
was going to store the servlet sesssion id in a SQLSession object by
having the servlet do a response redirect to a dtml method to process
the id after the ;.
Will Apache frontending and setting the CGI-vars fix this issue?
A more general question, has anyone worked on the general
cross-session issues like this? I think this is consideration item for
the new session support in Zope.
Regards,
Albert Boulanger
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[Zope] ZDebug Wizzard interference
Shane wrote http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/ZDebug/index_html ZDebug is a set of patches to Zope that help in the deciphering of DTML errors and authorization exceptions. Because this is the first release, remember to make a backup before installing. Looks like ZDebug does not work to well with wizards -- I suspect because of ZCallable. I am using a PTK snapshot from today, latest Zope. Did a test with and w/o ZDebug. Wizard works fine w/o. By the way I like where ZDebug is going! This is what happens when you ad a portal An exception occurred in a DTML method or document. Error type: exceptions.IndexError Error value: list index out of range Innermost method: /vpatch/PortalWizard/wizard_fillin_fields Namespace Stack (innermost entry at top) ID Type (N/A) mapping with keys: ['document_id', 'document_title'] (N/A) mapping with keys: ['document_id', 'document_title'] PortalWizard InstanceDict REQUEST ZPublisher.HTTPRequest.HTTPRequest Source of /vpatch/PortalWizard/wizard_fillin_fields with fault: dtml-let pagevars="_.getattr(wizard_pages[wizard_index], 'wizard_variables', [])" dtml-in "REQUEST.form.keys()" dtml-let key="_['sequence-item']" dtml-if "key[:7] != 'wizard_' and key not in pagevars" input type="hidden" name="dtml-key;" value="dtml-var "REQUEST.form[key]" html_quote" /dtml-if /dtml-let /dtml-in /dtml-let dtml-if wizard_test input type="hidden" name="wizard_test" value="1" /dtml-if vPatch Home | Products, Services, and Solutions | Testimonials | Investor Relations | Demos | Login/Registration | Learning Center | Contact Us Traceback (innermost last): File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, in publish_module File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: RoleManager) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in publish File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in mapply (Object: index_html) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in call_object (Object: index_html) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/App/Factory.py, line 178, in index_html (Object: RoleManager) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/ZCallable/__init__.py, line 101, in __call__ (Object: Traversable) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 172, in __call__ (Object: index_html) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLLocator.py, line 103, in __call__ (Object: index_html) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 528, in __call__ (Object: index_html) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLDebug.py, line 213, in debug_render_blocks File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLDebug.py, line 210, in debug_render_blocks File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 168, in __call__ (Object: wizard_fillin_fields) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLLocator.py, line 103, in __call__ (Object: wizard_fillin_fields) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 528, in __call__ (Object: wizard_fillin_fields) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLDebug.py, line 259, in debug_render_blocks File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/ZDebug/DTMLDebug.py, line 192, in debugException (Object:
[Zope] Set Access Rule wish
Its nice that the icon for the method, who is the access rule's target, is changed. However, I think also there needs to be some indicator on the folder involved as well. Over the long weekend, I had accidentally set an access rule (for URL-based SQLSession ID) in the proper folder and also a subfolder (to the same method). Took me several days to discover that other access rule had been set in the subfolder. When your you have mistakes with this kind of stuff, I can be madding and any kind of indicators would be useful. Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Generic Workflow Products?
i haven't had time to read through the links, although i will once i get some more of that mystical free time stuff, but i wanted to clarify about PTK workflows. most of the existing workflow structs in PTK were doc based with simple workflows, but there has been a concerted effort to refactor PTK into Singleton objects which give abilities to all objects vs. the old method of inheritance for abilities. In this scenario workflow objects can be plugged into the architecture. Another item that gives support for complex workflows is the event/subscriber/publisher system being developed right now. check out the later half of the PTK archives for August to get some more background. if you want to influence the project, now is the time, make your voice/needs heard. One place to start would be to have a look at openflow.sourceforge.net. This Zope based workflow system is based on WFMC's reference model. It does not have everything you would want but it is a good start. Once reason to be looking a WFMC is that such an implementation would allow integration with existing workflow systems such as Staffware's. SWAP and the newer WFMC XML wrapping would also be worth considering as they would be like XML-RPC for workflow which would enhance interoperability. There is a need to execute a workflow box which would exec a app associated with the box on data -- this data not being just one doc in a members PTK folder but a suite of data for the step. There is opportunity for a Zope based system to be the web publishing side of existing workflow systems, like Staffware's. Staffware's white paper on how they will do web-based workflow begged for a solution like Zope. Staffware is one of the better workflow systems that includes the ability to execute programs within workflow. Certainly for usecase analysis one could look at existing packages like Staffware. For events, one might consider adopting some of the "webwise" event system standards coming out. I have not followed these closely, but I know they exist. One reason to do so is that this would enhance interoperability with external packages that also adopt standards. Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Generic Workflow Products? --some pictures
i haven't had time to read through the links, although i will once i get some more of that mystical free time stuff, but i wanted to clarify about PTK workflows. most of the existing workflow structs in PTK were doc based with simple workflows, but there has been a concerted effort to refactor PTK into Singleton objects which give abilities to all objects vs. the old method of inheritance for abilities. In this scenario workflow objects can be plugged into the architecture. Another item that gives support for complex workflows is the event/subscriber/publisher system being developed right now. check out the later half of the PTK archives for August to get some more background. if you want to influence the project, now is the time, make your voice/needs heard. Here are two useful diagrams from WFMC's white paper, "Workflow and Internet: Catalysts for Radical Change" ( http://www.aiim.org/wfmc/finalwp.pdf ). The first is a diagram of WFMC's reference model. The second is a diagram of workflow concepts. http://www.zope.org/Members/aboulang/wfmc1.gif and http://www.zope.org/Members/aboulang/wfmc2.gif Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] SiteAccess 2.0b3 missing setURL?
Change in API; You want REQUEST.setServerURL, which is documented here: http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/Projects/Interfaces/ImplementingVirtualHo sts Ok the doc says: Backward Rewriting Any URLs generated by an application should take virtual hosting into account by replacing the VirtualRoot's physical path with its virtual path. The base elements may also need to be rewritten. REQUEST.setServerURL(protocol=None, hostname=None, port=None) - Hmm no path arg mentioned here but the description says This method modifies the URL-related variables in the PublisherRequest to have the specified protocol, hostname, port, and path, while leaving unspecified parts alone. Returns the new value of REQUEST['SERVER_URL']. What happened to the path argument to the function? The doc indicates its should be there, but it seems to be missing: Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. TypeError Sorry, a Zope error occurred. Traceback (innermost last): File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, in publish_module File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in publish File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook (Object: Traversable) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 162, in publish File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/BaseRequest.py, line 309, in traverse File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/BeforeTraverse.py, line 85, in __call__ File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/SiteAccess/AccessRule.py, line 22, in __call__ File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/BeforeTraverse.py, line 112, in __call__ File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py, line 172, in __call__ (Object: dtProcessSession) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 528, in __call__ (Object: dtProcessSession) File /users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py, line 337, in eval (Object: REQUEST.setServerURL(path=REQUEST.steps+[SessionID])) (Info: REQUEST) File string, line 0, in ? TypeError: unexpected keyword argument: path Puzzled, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] PTK and Membership product
From Friday's 8-25 PTK CVS
PTK has logic to support the Membership product, but it seems to be
using the old MembershipZ name. I want to use this combination because
we have own own custom database where user accounting will be stored.
(I am using PortalMembership version 0.7.2. By the way the version
numbers in the code need updating -- it claims it is 0.7.0)
class DemoPortalBaseclass in Portal.py I had to change MembershipZ/LoginMember
# self.acl_users was magically created by the above call
#'PortalMembership/PortalMember' 'MembershipZ/LoginMember'
for us in self.acl_users.UserSourcesGroup.objectValues():
if us.meta_type == 'Persistent User Source':
us.__of__(self.acl_users).manage_setStorage(
'PortalMembership/PortalMember' )
break
But this was not enough, it breaks at:
Zope Error
Zope has encountered an error while publishing
this resource.
Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: setMemberProperties
Troubleshooting Suggestions
The URL may be incorrect.
The parameters passed to this resource may be
incorrect.
A resource that this resource relies on may
be
encountering an error.
For more detailed information about the error,
please refer to
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If the error persists please contact the site
maintainer. Thank
you for your patience.
Traceback (innermost last):
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 222, in publish_module
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 187, in publish
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py,
line 221, in zpublisher_exception_hook
(Object: RoleManager)
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 171, in publish
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py,
line 160, in mapply
(Object: Portal_add)
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py,
line 112, in call_object
(Object: Portal_add)
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/OFS/DTMLMethod.py,
line 172, in __call__
(Object: Portal_add)
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py,
line 528, in __call__
(Object: Portal_add)
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py,
line 146, in render
(Object: Portal.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST))
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Let.py,
line 147, in render
(Object: RESPONSE="_.None")
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_Util.py,
line 337, in eval
(Object: portal_registration.addMember(username, password,
('Member', 'Manager', 'Reviewer'), '', REQUEST))
(Info: username)
File string, line 0, in ?
File
/users/hog/software/zope/Zope-2.2.0-solaris-2.6-sparc/lib/python/Products/PTKBase/RegistrationTool.py,
line 174, in addMember
(Object: portal_registration)
AttributeError: (see above)
Is there any thing I also need to do to make this combination work? Do
I need to use the older MembershipZ stuff?
Has anyone used the ZSession product with PTK? Again we are storing
sesssion info in our own database and I would liek to uses Zpatterns
for this.
Regards,
Albert Boulanger
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Re: [Zope] Generic Workflow Products?
Kapil Thangavelu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PTK has been undergoing radical changes as of late. Its worth taking another look at as the current design is much more supportive of alternative workflow designs. Disclamer: This is my gleaming -- I could be off. I have done a keyword search on the Zope-PTK list for workflow to understand the recent discussion on workflow design within PTK. It seems to me that workflow is tied to strongly with documents in the design plan. In the model of workflow being discussed there, documents march through workflow steps. What if a workflow step is a computation and requires multiple data sources to be done? Instead, a workflow step needs to have an explicit representation with data items (documents) associated with it having some kind of version info associated with them. This need comes from the use cases that I deal with in setting up workflow for science and engineering computation. For a good review of workflow requirements see: http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/endeavors/docs/AdvancedWorkflow.pdf It would be nice if the workflow system understood how to act in a distributed way, like what SWAP, (an XML based protocol -- think webdav for workflow -- for distributing workflow) is trying to do: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~ietfswap/swap-prot.txt and the later work, Wf-XML by WFMC. This in turn is based on early WFMC's efforts. See the workflow internet white paper and reference model at: http://www.aiim.org/wfmc/finalwp.pdf http://www.aiim.org/wfmc/standards/docs/tc003v11.pdf There are models (some UML) contained within that would be useful to use as guides for patterns for workflow I believe. Yours in workflow, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Generic Workflow Products?
Sounds like a job for Zope, doesn't it. Basically I've implemented a couple of systems like this, either classic database-driven or z-class driven. But I'm tired of re-inventing the wheel. It would be nicer if systems like this could be implemented at the "workflow logic" level rather than the Zclass level. IE a set of ZClasses or Product classes that implemented workflow systems. Is there such a thing? Has anyone worked on such a thing? Any ideas how to implement such a thing? I've got a couple of modifications to an existing system coming up, which sounds like just the excuse I need for a total rewrite :) -- cary There are several workflow activites within Zope that I know of: PTK has and "implicit" workflow support for moving documents in a review process. Unfortunately workflow hangs off of the documents from what I saw of its design patterns. Not a good design if a workflow step involves multiple documents and the execution of applications on data. Several Zope sites have some kind of workflow for what they do. There is a mesh healing (CAD/CAM) Zope based application service provider (ASP) that comes to mind. There is an standards based (WFMC -- workflow management coalition, www.wfmc.org) Zope product that really has seen no progress since early this year - see openflow.sourceforge.net You might consider marrying a workflow engine like Staffware's to Zope. This marriage may be easier if they support SWAP (simple workflow access protocol see www.ics.uci.edu/~ietfswap). Staffware has indicated that they will (are) supporting SWAP. We are a company, vPatch, that is building web-based workflow that can run apps for the oil and gas industry. Our current system uses tclets to display workflow graphically, but we are going to Java. It would be nice to work on a good set of (standards based) design patterns for workflow and implement them in Zope. In my mind these patterns would consider pluggable workflow engines like Staffware's using SWAP. Yours in workflow, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Implementing a login form instead of BASIC authentication
Stephan Goeldi wrote: Wouldn't that reduce system security? I think he mean cookie-based authentication, as found on zope.org. I am currently looking into implementing a login form to replace the standard BASIC authentication. Gérard, Take a look at things like LoginManager and GUF which can do this sort of thing. They are standard replacements for the acl_users folder and will serve you a lot better than hackign around in User.py... I am intersested in this issue as well since we are looking hard at security. Here is my current thinking. BASIC is not secure since the name:password is base64 encoded and not encrypted. DIGEST seems good in that it is encrypted and uses the Challange/Response like BASIC for every HTTP transaction -- matched well with the stateless nature of HTTP. Cookie based methods seem to assume some notion of session to me which fundamentally is a hack and is less secure than DIGEST, to wit: 1) One should encrypt the info in the cookie 2) How does one get around the stateless nature or HHTP in secure way using cookies? In other words, unless the HTTP transaction is challenged every time, how do you really know that someone is not trying to slip into an existing session? Also on the server side I need to share the login info among Zope, and Tomcat -- has a methodolgy been developed to do so? Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Squishdot upgrade HELP- screwy max posts behaviour
AFAIK, item_list(used on the main page) returns the following: - all the articles (not only those from the current day), if their number is less than a third of self.max_itemlist - A number of articles equal to a third of self.max_itemlist, even if some came from yesterday - or, a list of articles from the specified date, limited to at most self.max_itemlist articles. Nice, huh?! It would be nice is that ratio is a property that can be set. Also for an application that I am working on if all the attachments for postings go to a central table that can be displayed. Regards, Albert ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] An observation about manage_* methods
This has a question to it if I am not overlooking something. I often want to design dtml_methods that allow the end user to manage content under his control. An example of a typical manage method that you often see is like: From TinyTable.py: def manage_editData(self, data, REQUEST=None): """Change item data""" self._rows = map(self._FixRow, ImportExport.ImportData(data)) self._n_rows = len(self._rows) self._GenerateIndex() return self.manage_editedDialog(REQUEST) Now there is an assumption in this code that the editing context that this is being called from is some manage_ method, hence returns like "return self.manage_editedDialog(REQUEST)". This is annoying if you are writing a user-managed content method that does not wants the user to see the manage interface because eventually it goes to one with such returns. Instead, I would like to have control on where he/she returns (often to the method I wrote or to index_html). I could do a dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect..., but the return self.manage_editedDialog(REQUEST) gets in the way. Am I overlooking something or is this a weakness in this design pattern for management? I could wind up making my own version of manage_editData that does not do the return self.manage_editedDialog(REQUEST). (I know some code at least conditionalizes this to the presence of REQUEST.) Thoughts? Ideas? Regards, Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
