eris.discor...@gmail.com (Eris Discordia) writes:
Let me be a little pedantic.
The 9fans know given the haphazard nature of a hobbyist's knowledge I
am extremely bad at this, but then let me give it a try.
FYI, it's been Lisp for a while.
As long as Britannica and Merriam-Webster call it
On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Paul Donnelly wrote:
or perhaps A-list games programming
The Jak and Daxter series was written in Common Lisp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Oriented_Assembly_Lisp
—
Daniel Lyons
In article 25cf9336-c071-44a5-ab04-6bb042bc5...@kix.in,
Anant Narayanan an...@kix.in wrote:
I understand the argument that blocks don't feel C-like, but the
argument that you can do everything with just using function pointers
is BS.
Even one step further, even if we all agree blocks are BS,
Write Haskell as fast as C: exploiting strictness, laziness and recursion
- http://cgi.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/blog/2008/05/16
From the article
Lesson 1: To write predictably fast Haskell -- the kind that competes
with C day in and out
-- use tail recursion, and ensure all types are inferred as
there's a bug in the control of the software cursor in plan 9,
probably when loadimage is used. it can leave what my children call chicken
tracks,
as it updates the cursor. it shows up in at least vnc and inferno because they
use the equivalent of
loadimage on the screen to update their
In article 542783.92348...@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com,
Brian L. Stuart blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
KR is beautiful in this respect. In contrast, never managed
bite in Stroustrup's description.
Ok, now I'll get provocative:
hen why do so many people have a problem understanding C?
Are you
In article fe41879c0909050422s77247280y4fcd7d89a621b...@mail.gmail.com,
Akshat Kumar aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote:
http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
Programming languages are just tools, after all.
Considering that Plan 9 has only two inherent languages,
and its users often push for work
In article 8214db3a-3368-4b61-b0cd-bac5f2be7...@sun.com,
Roman Shaposhnik r...@sun.com wrote:
There's been a *lot* of speculation on this thread and very little fact.
I'd encourage everybody to play with the feature before forming
any kind of final judgement.
This is true, a good point, etc,
In article bb8e3a2e5419e566d0361...@[192.168.1.2],
Eris Discordia eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
I think I am sure C
was a lot easier to learn and comprehend than either Pascal
Might depend how you define easier.
What seems to distinguish--pedagogically, at least--C is, as I noted on
that other
Considering that Plan 9 has only two inherent languages,
and its users often push for work to be done in only those,
what is the Plan 9 perspective of languages and tools in
relation to each other?
Is it in agreement with this statement?
It's certainly true that cultures and mindsets build up
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Greg Comeaucom...@panix.com wrote:
In article 25cf9336-c071-44a5-ab04-6bb042bc5...@kix.in,
Anant Narayanan an...@kix.in wrote:
I understand the argument that blocks don't feel C-like, but the
argument that you can do everything with just using function pointers
On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Greg Comeau wrote:
Some keep saying that we should use more complex languages in
the introductory course because they're in some way easier.
But I've yet to understand their definition of easier.
I've seen this before. It's usually a combo of people
not knowing
% test -f /dev/sdC1/plan9 # works, I think
% test -f /dev/sd*/plan9*
test: unexpected operator/operand: /dev/sdC1/plan9
interesting. i tested that here and got no errors.
and what is the output of
test -f /dev/sd*/plan9*
on my machine, i cannot get test to complain
i agree the computer industry as a whole tends
to be long on dogma and yet suffers from an accute
inability to recall previous mistakes.
For some reason, the fact that we program rational machines in logic-
based languages deludes us into thinking our experience is the same as
everyone
remember the deadline is today to get
your papers in. the deadline for wips
(works in progress) is oct 5.
- erik
So is it so that anybody using vesa should see it in plan9 when
hwaccel is off or when inferno runs on plan9 regardless the state of
hwaccel?
(At school I use i81x and plan9 itself is ok with both on/off.)
Thanks
Ruda
2009/9/7 Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net:
there's a bug in the control
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, LiteStar numnumslites...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, lisp != common lisp aside, I wouldn't mind a native CL system. I
haven't looked at the SBCL backend in quite sometime, but, assuming it's not
terribly insane, that would be a decent route. Most CL work that isn't
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, LiteStar numnumslites...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, lisp != common lisp aside, I wouldn't mind a native CL system. I
haven't looked at the SBCL backend in quite sometime, but, assuming it's not
Clozure might be enough as well; it's C, but I've no idea how many POSIXisms
are in the source...
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.netwrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:54 PM, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, LiteStar
I was going to use SBCL to cross compile SBCL for Plan9.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:54 AM, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, LiteStar numnumslites...@gmail.com
wrote:
Well, lisp != common lisp aside, I wouldn't mind a native CL system. I
haven't looked
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM, John Florenslawmas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:47 AM, LiteStar numnumslites...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, lisp != common lisp aside, I wouldn't mind a native CL system. I
haven't looked at the SBCL backend in quite sometime, but, assuming it's not
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rob Pike robp...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you implying Doug McIlroy hadn't been taught about (and inevitably
occupied by) Church-Turing Thesis or even before that Ackermann function and
had to wait to be inspired by a comment in passing about FORTRAN to realize
the
In article 936a4bab-7d9a-4b65-ab6a-c5eea8e43...@storytotell.org,
Daniel Lyons fus...@storytotell.org wrote:
On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:05 AM, Greg Comeau wrote:
Some keep saying that we should use more complex languages in
the introductory course because they're in some way easier.
But I've yet to
So is it so that anybody using vesa should see it...
I use the vesa driver occasionally on my Atom motherboard
(Intel 940?) and have had no such droppings, so the
problem isn't universal.
-Steve
1. A simple example for a combined cpu/auth server, the 192.168.1.100
machine, could be:
ipnet=mynet ip=192.168.1.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0
auth=bouncer
cpu=cycles
dns=lookup
dnsdom=9fans.net
authdom=9fans.net auth=bouncer
assuming that you mean
This thread has grown into a particularly educational one, for me at least,
thanks to everyone who posted.
Vinu Rajashekhar's two posts were strictly to the point. There _is_ a
mental model of the small computer to teach along with Scheme and there are
ways to get close to the machine from
Hi Erik,
Thanks for the reply. I added the authdom and this is what I have now
in /lib/ndb/local:
[snip]
ipnet=mynet ip=192.168.1.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0
auth=carp
cpu=carp
authdom=home.net
dns=192.168.1.254
dnsdom=lan
authdom=home.net auth=carp
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Eris Discordiaeris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
if you have quanstro/sd installed, sdorion(3) discusses how it
controls the backplane lights.
Um, I don't have that because I don't have any running Plan 9 instances, but
I'll try finding it on the web (if it's been
is this english++? i just can't parse it.
If we all ignore him he might go away ...
relax
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg -
VE6BBM/VE7TFXlyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
is this english++? i just can't parse it.
If we all ignore him he might go away ...
--
Federico G. Benavento
relax
If I want platitudes I have the whole rest of the internet to gorge
on. Here we try to do actual content.
On 8 Sep 2009, at 01:13, erik quanstrom wrote:
and if you have cpu and auth set to carp.lan?
Doesn't seem to change anything.
On Mon Sep 7 18:37:15 EDT 2009, ja...@cs.ioc.ee wrote:
On 8 Sep 2009, at 01:13, erik quanstrom wrote:
and if you have cpu and auth set to carp.lan?
Doesn't seem to change anything.
rather than me playing battleship, perhaps it would make sense
for you to start enabling debugging. i don't
ipnet=mynet ip=192.168.1.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0
auth=carp
cpu=carp
authdom=home.net
dns=192.168.1.254
dnsdom=lan
authdom=home.net auth=carp
ip=192.168.1.68 sys=carp dom=carp.lan
#sys=carpet dom=carpet.lan
If I remove the ip address for carp I get the
% test -f /dev/sdC1/plan9 # works, I think
% test -f /dev/sd*/plan9*
test: unexpected operator/operand: /dev/sdC1/plan9
interesting. i tested that here and got no errors.
and what is the output of
test -f /dev/sd*/plan9*
on my machine, i cannot get test
% test -f /dev/sdC1/plan9 # works, I think
% test -f /dev/sd*/plan9*
test: unexpected operator/operand: /dev/sdC1/plan9
interesting. i tested that here and got no errors.
and what is the output of
test -f /dev/sd*/plan9*
test: unexpected operator/operand:
The bug must only be a problem where /dev/sd*/plan9* actually matches
more than once.
i don't think so. i tested that before
i asked the original question. what does this
x=/dev/sd*/plan9*
whatis x
ls -q /dev/sd*/plan9*
yield?
- erik
9fans,
Is anyone aware of where the configuration data is concerning drawterm
logins? I initially set my system up as crashing.dom and since put the system
into production as plan9.union.edu for my final honors project in CS.
Unfortunatly fixing the /cfg plan9.ini and /lib/ndb/local to the
Is anyone aware of where the configuration data is concerning drawterm
logins? I initially set my system up as crashing.dom and since put the
system into production as plan9.union.edu for my final honors project in CS.
Unfortunatly fixing the /cfg plan9.ini and /lib/ndb/local to the
On Mon Sep 7 23:11:27 EDT 2009, benave...@gmail.com wrote:
it's still stored in the nvram, you'll need to
echo blah /dev/sdC0/nvram
reboot and enter the right one
i could be wrong, but i don't think nvram has anything to do with drawterm.
- erik
it's still stored in the nvram, you'll need to
echo blah /dev/sdC0/nvram
reboot and enter the right one
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:55 PM, driv...@0xabadba.be wrote:
9fans,
Is anyone aware of where the configuration data is concerning drawterm
logins? I initially set my system up as
Fgb,
This did the trick thanks. Eric thanks for your quick reply, good to know you
actually are a human.
=jt
--Original Message--
From: erik quanstrom
Sender: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net
To: 9fans@9fans.net
ReplyTo: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs
Subject: Re: [9fans] Drawterm login
my guess is that he thinks that the problem is in drawterm...
while it's authdom in the nvram that's wrong and wasn't
updated
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:13 AM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote:
On Mon Sep 7 23:11:27 EDT 2009, benave...@gmail.com wrote:
it's still stored in the nvram,
Eric thanks for your quick reply, good to know you actually are a human.
you're wecome. but that's funny. everybody knows i'm dumb as a box of rocks.
- erik
i don't think so. i tested that before
i asked the original question. what does this
x=/dev/sd*/plan9*
whatis x
x=(/dev/sdC0/plan9 /dev/sdC1/plan9)
ls -q /dev/sd*/plan9*
(04300016 1 00) /dev/sdC0/plan9
(04301016 1 00) /dev/sdC1/plan9
Also:
% test -f
ignore is the operator applied to any argument after the first, by
my reading and experimenting with the code.
You mean that
test -f /dev/sdC0/plan9 -o -f /dev/sdC1/plan9
would not work as expected?
++L
% test -f /dev/sdC0/plan9 # produces no errors
% test -f /dev/sdC1/plan9 # produces no errors
As soon as I put a wildcard into the test string, e.g.,
% test -f /dev/sd*/plan9
test: unexpected operator/operand: /dev/sdC1/plan9
Hope this helps - thanks!
Matt
the error
it might look invalid, but just try it. pick any n files.
it does not fail on my system. it doesn't fail if i used the
sources rc and sources test.
Maybe, but it does not do the right thing, at least, I'm not sure how
it could. At best, it would be essential to know which of OR or AND
is
On Tue Sep 8 00:05:51 EDT 2009, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
As soon as I put a wildcard into the test string, e.g.,
Yes,
test -f /dev/sdC0/plan9 /dev/sdC1/plan9
is an invalid command. Only one argument is expected.
You're going to have to pick one of the two arguments.
it
ignore is the operator applied to any argument after the first, by
my reading and experimenting with the code.
You mean that
test -f /dev/sdC0/plan9 -o -f /dev/sdC1/plan9
would not work as expected?
rather
test -f a b n
actually is the same as
test -f a
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