On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:35:11AM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
On 12 Nov 2004, at 02:16, Richard Robinson wrote:
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:23:59PM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
On 11 Nov 2004, at 20:32, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Hi
I'm wondering how standard the overlay operator is? Which
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:53:21PM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
On 12 Nov 2004, at 14:07, Richard Robinson wrote:
the character is carried straight through to the TeX output and the
characters produce a \enotes\notes pair. Thus the input
DEFG ABcd A4 e2 c2| produces
[2 staves]
To explain
it at the moment. I intend to support it
in BarFly in due course.
abc2mtex did something with it, didn't it ? But I forget the details.
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, but don't have the impression it's being actively
maintained. It's buggy, too. Strikes me as one of those little projects
that would be more sensible under an open-source license ...
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appreciated.
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person who tries to use this won't be frustrated.
Perhaps different folk-musics are simple in different ways ? (if at
all).
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getting lots of spam (apparently) coming thru the
abcusers list? I haven't heard any other complaints yet, but the
score this
morning when I opened my email was two genuine emails, one spam
directly sent to
me, and four with headers mentioning abcusers, like this:
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format the output of a general purpose parser. It
defeats the entire purpose of there *being* a parser in the first place.
Of course, one of the things you could use a parser for, would be in an
application that would generate, say, MusicXML, or other ascii, output ...
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, the performance rights people.
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impressed Are you ?
Mind you, its the exact same mindset that ...
Oi ! NO !!
It was tedious enough, there. Please don't export it.
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tunes. Forbidding this may make
life easier for simple parsers, but I don't think it's desirable for
users.
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of producing whatever
behaviour they want from their executables.
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with this ?
And, lastly, I note that the abc-ps family are GPL'ed already. Do any
of their people have comments about this ? I think Jeff suggested once
that abcm2ps might be a suitable starting point ?
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with the never-ending battle to prevent spammers from squeezing
messages onto the lists.
That'll be nice. Thanks. Just at the moment, the only spam I'm receiving
is via the abc list.
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a toy language with next to no
storage ? The only variable type is a scalar, and they can only be assiged
to on creation; nor can functions return values. Odd. I think I must be
missing some sort of mindset thing.
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generate it,
even ABC. But things are usually easier to read if they're written by
hand - html is, for certain.
MusicXML needs to be read along with the DTD.
?? Try looking inside one, it's not often hard to see what things mean.
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the reverse case
would be harder, preserving all xml information that ABC doesn't
represent inside an ABC file for xml-abc-xml.
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On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 11:14:45PM +0100, I. Oppenheim wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Richard Robinson wrote:
I concur: musicxml is a wondeful development,
which will finally make it feasible to exchange scores
between different music processing software, without
loosing too much information
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Is anybody else here looking much at MusicXML ? I've been having a look
over the last few days, and I must say, I'm rather impressed. It seems
to me
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 04:31:56PM -0500, Steven Bennett wrote:
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Is anybody else here looking much at MusicXML ? I've been having a look
over the last few days, and I must say, I'm rather impressed. It seems
to me that this could all be tremendously useful to us
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 05:41:01PM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
On 26 Mar 2004, at 16:23, Richard Robinson wrote:
There's a small error in the example files on your
webpage: the DOCTYPE tags refer to local file:// URLS,
which won't work on other computers.
That's be the file:/c:/Program
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 09:48:11PM +, Richard Robinson wrote:
On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 05:41:01PM +, Phil Taylor wrote:
On 26 Mar 2004, at 16:23, Richard Robinson wrote:
There's a small error in the example files on your
webpage: the DOCTYPE tags refer to local file:// URLS
of generating MusicXML ? There's
a command-line Windows/Linux abc2xml (it's incomplete, it's buggy, it's
closed-source and email to the author bounces, but apart from that it's
great. It exists, for a start), what other ways are there to turn
abc into xml ?
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, there is %%scale. I've just tested this in
abcm2ps, and it can be applied to a whole staff, but not to less than
that. And then there's %%multicol ...
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the end of ABC lines ? They caused justification when using the (older)
musictex). So you may need to comment out the right blocks - musicnft
seems be called from the musictex stuff.
Good grief, it's a long time since I've looked at that.
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local/personal paper size, it's their problem, not
mine.)
It's another argument for providing the source as well ...
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people
print sheet music using standard 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper? (I do realize that many of
us are not in the US, so this may be pure ignorance here as well).
Certainly, A4 seems more-or-less standard in Britain. I have the
impression it is for (at least a lot of) Europe.
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or subtly diferent meaning.
Or you could pick up Barry's proposal for I: , something like
I:PH barstructure: ??
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;-)
I can't remember what song we (as residents at the Llandudno Folk Club)
used to follow with the Rakes of Mallow
Winster Gallop is its usual pairing here.
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/|D7.F.A.F.A .F.A d/c/B/A/|\
G.G.B.G.B .G.B d3/B/|Cc/B/A/G/ D7FA/c/ GB.GG2:|
|:Ggf/e/ .d.c B.cd2|Ggf/e/ .d.c D7B.cA2|\
Ggf/e/ .d.c B.c d3/B/|Cc/B/A/G/ D7FA/c/ GB.GG2:|
I have it as Rakes of Mallow.
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Richard Robinson writes:
| On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 03:11:33PM +, John Chambers wrote:
|
| In general, it seems that rests should almost always be treated as
| notes. The only way they're different is that a rest
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 03:11:33PM +, John Chambers wrote:
In general, it seems that rests should almost always be treated as
notes. The only way they're different is that a rest doesn't have a
pitch.
And is tricky to play staccato ?
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1st word of the title.
If it was T:CAPTION, without the space, then that's the field an
my snippet would be the value.
No ?
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be interesting to see a new abc2mtex, after all these years :)
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easier for programs to parse, which is an
invisible advantage for users, but might still exist.
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|
| usual rant
| I really _wish_ the layout/typesetting command could have been marked,
| with, eg %%abc2ps newpage, in the same way as the original midi ones
| were. It might have at least made issues
is extracted as part
of the tune. I'm not sure this is desirable behaviour ?
It runs into a much more general question, actually - if you re-order
tunes in an ABc file, how do you handle any interposed non-ABC text,
where should it go ? I don't think there's a clean answer to this.
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over to the typesetter. Like I said before, keep things
separate. And I think lilypond-book is like that too ?
I suppose the abc2ps equivalent would be to drop all the directives
except the %%postscript pass-through. Which makes me feel much
more kindly towards LaTeX.
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:29:19PM +, John Chambers wrote:
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|
| X:1
| T:What ?
| K:C
| aaa aaa|]
| %%newpage
|
| and the parser stops on the blank line, the %%newpage is extracted as part
| of the tune. I'm not sure this is desirable behaviour ?
Very good
structure of the original becomes
meaningless.
Like the example given - start a new page before the first of a bunch
of reels and print a page-heading. If this has to be attached to a
particular tune, what happens when you sort them in a different order
and that one's no longer the first ?
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It runs into a much more general question, actually - if you re-order
tunes in an ABc file, how do you handle any interposed non-ABC text,
where should it go ? I don't think there's a clean answer
).
Deliberates ?
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people to keep the
volume down while someone's away. The traditional response, of course,
is for everyone else to up their posting rate by a factor of
largenumber. So, have fun, don't do anything I wouldn't do
chorus: bwahahaa.
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not to, but just
to throw %%papersize, %%loudness, %%staves, %%continueall, %%infoline,
for example, all into the same space ? Is it clear and simple, for either
humans or applications ?
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that, eg, Finale doesn't. Like the ability
to _handle_ an explosion of content. I had getting on for a thousand
tunes typed up in Finale, once, before I discovered ABC. It needed a
separate database app to keep track of filenames and header info.
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:42:15AM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
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Richard Though, yes, the use of the existing %%midi namespace
Richard would be a clue - helpful in general (since it gives a
Richard rough idea of what sort
that's a definition we could tie it to ?
G:You are not expected to understand this
Um, rephrased, of course.
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just how
difficult it really is. The main parsing problem is
distinguishing the '(' it from the start of a slur.
It would be nice to be able to do them, somehow.
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Richard distinction between 2 parsing methods - unroll into a
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to update
to software that conforms to it, if/when anybody changes the code
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. I was appalled!
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laughter.
I suppose the bug will have to be fixed, now it's been mentioned ?
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, steal it (and claim it's part of your tradition).
Though, of course, it doesn't matter whether the tunes are
traditional or not, because really the tradition is not a matter
of which tunes you steal - just so long as some get stolen.
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to all the notes of the same pitch in the
same octave up to the end of the bar. When set to
pitch, accidentals also apply to all the notes of the
same pitch in all octaves up to the end of the bar.
The default value is pitch.
but as Richard Robinson points our elsewhere -
All
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Richard new proposals
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
Has anybody seen any of the XMLish schemes do anything useful, yet ?
I haven't had a look round recently, ibut whenever I have it's all looks
kind of maybe one
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:03:03AM +, John Chambers wrote:
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| What about the cases where notes in different octaves
| have different accidentals ? I don't see why notes in the key
| signature couldn't take the full normal ABC value, with uppercase
| and lowercase
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:22:12AM +0100, Bernard Hill wrote:
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Is K:D exp _b _e ^f different from K:D _b _e ^f ?
Where does this come from, has it been mentioned before ?
As I have always understood the standard
believe this has already happened, to borrow from Douglas
Adams.
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can get it by saying, explicitly, K:Dmaj _b_e^f, which
will get the c#
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K:D _b _e ^f actuall leaves also a c^. The point of the exp is to
*override* the normal key sig of D.
[1] The given example actually produces 1 sharp and 2 flats, ie
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:16:37AM -0400, Wil Macaulay wrote:
I agree with Richard
wil
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If I could have a couple of meta-whatsits, for a moment ?
All Wil's messages appear in my mailer as above
an Irish Roll is ...
I think the long roll is currently deprecated, in favour of the baguette.
Though this may be a regional usage.
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, Johnny Yak.
aside
I'll keep him talking, right, while youNO CARRIER
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All Wil's messages appear in my mailer as above (though without the
quote marks, you pedants) - very spaced out vertically. At least
2 0x0a newlines, sometimes more, sometimes interspersed with 0x20s.
Do
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 02:26:03PM -0400, Wil Macaulay wrote:
hopefully
this
fixes
the
problem
(text only, no html in netscape mailer)
wil
Looks good here. Thanks, you just became a lot easier to read.
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The standard says It is also possible
to specify a complex meter. Bwahaha. jcabc2ps will accept both 4i/4 and
4/4i without complaint, but only displays the 1st of these correctly.
Interesting.
I
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| Technically, since neither of these has a real component, they are not
| really complex but completely imaginary.
|
| *sigh*. So
notice none of them accept that A dotted bar line can be notated by
preceding it with a dot, e.g. `.|')
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of complication that makes me wonder if it's
really the right way to go.
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Thanks. But what does it mean? What would say an autoharp make of it,
say perhaps to make it a tremolo.
It means play any ornamentation here. The exact meaning is unspecified.
I rather like ~ - play a squiggle.
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of
symbols which apply to a single note, then treat this as a note in
an ordering of larger constructs ?
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for K:tonic to find all tunes that sit on tonic.
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| On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 01:15:54PM +0100, Bernard Hill wrote:
|
| And from the abc source you have written
|
| K:A_b^f^c
|
| shouldn't that have a G# also since you've written K:A
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| The only solution would be to write this:
|K:Ephr^G
|
| Or K:E=f=c^G=d ? Longer, but maybe clearer.
Actually, I do include accidentals with this scale at times. The main
reason
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And from the abc source you have written
K:A_b^f^c
shouldn't that have a G# also since you've written K:A?
It definitely shouldn't have a G
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| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Robinson
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|
| Or K:E=f=c^G=d ? Longer, but maybe clearer.
|
| K:C ^g looks fine to me.
Well, it looks fine, but it has the wrong
of how a group
of musicians would be expected to read such notation.
ROFL!
(Also known as Hey, let's play it as a round! ;-)
Another fine product for abc international.
Reminds me, I still haven't got round to that random pipe-march
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Now I don't really mind
having minor keys as they are well established, and maybe even the modes
Very tolerant of you ;)
Well
no tonic, but a signature, which is _B. Maybe it's F or Dm.
This last has the potential to be misunderstood, I think. The key
signature would be
K:Bb ?
Easy to mis-type, or misunderstand.
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, or are considering using ABC,
for music where non-standard signatures are less non-standard,
they might make the same discovery.
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| On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 05:32:51PM +, John Chambers wrote:
|
| K:_Bhas no tonic, but a signature, which is _B. Maybe it's F or Dm.
|
| This last has the potential to be misunderstood, I think
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|
| Of course, such searches are always prone to failure
| because people just give the wrong key. It's common to see
| K:G for tunes in E minor or A dorian. There's not a lot we
| can do
to remember non-standard
groupings of notes, but if people want to play music that uses them,
why shouldn't it be possible to describe them ?
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%?
but nobody does. People who get the mode wrong are mostly
not aware of their errors, and don't question their mode decisions
as long as it gets the right key signature.
True. But what about us pedants who aren't sure they've got it right ?
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Where does this come from, has it been mentioned before ?
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And then there's the multi-language-support issues.
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. And
they seem to be headed in different directions - which is where we came
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to, eg,
edit .wav files via a cli.
But _full-time_ GUI use, of course not. Stick with the best of both
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|]
$ abc2mtex test.abc
error in input file test.abc: line no. 4 - syntax error - note cannot
follow justification
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... I'd completely forgotten what it meant.
Cor, it's ages since I played any hopsas.
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 07:55:50AM +0200, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:27:39 +0100, Richard Robinson
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AB cd ef | fe dc BA | ! !trill! AB cd ef | fe dc BA |]
complains Decoration not terminated and loses the last 2 bars.
This seems
., etc, in guitar chords, as the only
alternative, and that's not good either, so I may well start using
!decorations!. In which case the 2 different ! constructions will be
mixed together in the same line wherever they have to be.
--
Richard Robinson
The whole plan hinged upon the natural
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