Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread chuck
A cave. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator Then someone needs to make better surge protection! On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 4:14 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: “Caution: no surge protector

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread chuck
Yep. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 2:12 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator “Caution: no surge protector can protect against a direct lightning strike.” http://www.connectronics.com/48VDC%20Power%20Protection/ From

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread can...@believewireless.net
> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2018 12:05 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > > > > *nods* That's why I'm all about DC and SFP... you can be much more > aggressive on DC power pr

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
acebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:01:30 PM Subject: R

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 12:01:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator I t

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
by lightning until they started telling customers to install a DC protector and that solved the issue. From: AF On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 10:10 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator SFPs and DC! ;-) - Mike

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 2:24:47 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator I'm not sure if there are any out in the wild as of yet. If so, is anyone using these? Thoughts? The features look good, and pricing is pretty aggressive. -Jason -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
10, 2018 2:14:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator On the dual Radio Bridgewave, it will support discontiguous 80MHz channels. Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hardy Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
1:26:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator I bitched at length about Ubiquiti's claims for AF11 in the past. The thing I realized is that while their spec sheet numbers are inconsistent with the rest of the industry, they're consistent with the rest of the Ubiquiti ecosystem. They

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
tober 10, 2018 11:05:52 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator One worry of course is that if someone can’t coordinate a link due to your use of Cat B antennas, they can force you to upgrade to Cat A. I’m not saying I’ve worried a lot about that, but I would worry more if I was in a m

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-15 Thread Mike Hammett
: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 5:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator 624mbps in a 80MHz channel, ACM, copper gigabit port. The DT version is a little over twice that for double the throughput and dual SFP slots. I used to be able to get

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Tim Hardy
ant for the bulk of AF11 links, >>>>> which are short. But if someone is doing a 10+ mile link, I suspect the >>>>> AF11 may not actually meet FCC capacity requirements. I forget the exact >>>>> numbers, but it’s something like

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Mathew Howard
at full modulation on a sunny day. Not >> totally sure I have those numbers right, and I don’t think anyone actually >> checks it anyway. It just bothers me to see a PCN going out of its way to >> parrot the manufacturer’s non standard way of quoting capacity. I’m not >> sure a PCN even ne

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator According to the latest AF11 data sheet, they do not list 128 QAM as an option so 256 QAM would be required. I’d have to research the B11 and don’t have time right now.. Sent from my iPad On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:47 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Rory Conaway
On the dual Radio Bridgewave, it will support discontiguous 80MHz channels. Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hardy Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator According to the latest

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Rory Conaway
The B11 is 256QAM, dual polarity. Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Hardy Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator According to the latest AF11 data sheet, they do not list 128 QAM

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Tim Hardy
sunny day. Not >>> totally sure I have those numbers right, and I don’t think anyone actually >>> checks it anyway. It just bothers me to see a PCN going out of its way to >>> parrot the manufacturer’s non standard way of quoting capacity. I’m not >>> sure a

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Tim Hardy
, so I’m not sure why Liz is doing this. > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:26 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > > I bitched at length about Ubiquiti's claims for AF11 in the pa

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Mathew Howard
Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:26 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > > > > I bitched at length about Ubiquiti's claims for AF11 in the past. > > The thing I realized is that while their spec sheet numbers a

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator I bitched at length about Ubiquiti's claims for AF11 in the past. The thing I realized is that while their spec sheet numbers are inconsistent with the rest of the industry, they're consistent with the rest of the Ubiquiti

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Tim Hardy
gt; you are probably guaranteed being able to use those frequencies for a higher >> throughput more expensive radio in the future (as long as it can do XPIC, >> which might involve paying for a key to unlock the feature.) >> >> >> >> >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Mathew Howard
s for a > higher throughput more expensive radio in the future (as long as it can do > XPIC, which might involve paying for a key to unlock the feature.) > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:17 AM > *To:* AFMUG &

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Adam Moffett
throughput more expensive radio in the future (as long as it can do XPIC, which might involve paying for a key to unlock the feature.) *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:17 AM *To:* AFMUG *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator Yeah, but the thing about

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
involve paying for a key to unlock the feature.) From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:17 AM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator Yeah, but the thing about not cheaping out is that you can buy link now for $4k that you would have had

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Mathew Howard
maybe 20 customers total. So there will be a demand for cheaper radios and > antennas. Thinking we can do all these gigabit links in unlicensed is > unrealistic. > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
can do all these gigabit links in unlicensed is unrealistic. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:05 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator On 10/10/18 5:20 AM, Tim Hardy wrote: > 160 MHz Bw not legal in the

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Mathew Howard
> The video on this page shows the radios. Remec interface. > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2018, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Photos? >> >> *From:* Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 3:26 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Jason McKemie
ng but figure somewhere >> around $10-$12k with antennas depending on options. If you double up the >> radios, even more. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird >> *Sent:* Tue

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Jason McKemie
Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator >> I just got a quote yesterday, the ST model was around d $4k a link with >> full licenses. The DT model was about twice that. >> >> On Tuesday, October 9, 2018, Rory Conaway wrote: >> >> Yea, no.

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 10/9/18 5:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Ok, so is it 11GHz link or a 23GHz? As someone was mentioning 23GHz antennas... 6-42GHz and everything in between. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Robert Andrews
Ok, so is it 11GHz link or a 23GHz? As someone was mentioning 23GHz antennas... On 10/09/2018 01:53 PM, Joe Novak wrote: I blame Chris Johnson, on WISP talk. January 22nd, 2018: " For those who have not looked, Bridgewave Navigator! 1Gbps Fdx 8 miles $4k for the complete link 11Ghz. Up to

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Eric Kuhnke
ST model? > > On 10/9/18 4:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Photos? > > *From:* Jason McKemie > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 3:26 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > > I just got a quote ye

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Robert
And is that plus antennas for the ST model? On 10/9/18 4:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Photos? *From:* Jason McKemie *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2018 3:26 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator I just got a quote yesterday, the ST model was around d

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Photos? From: Jason McKemie Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 3:26 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator I just got a quote yesterday, the ST model was around d $4k a link with full licenses. The DT model was about twice that. On Tuesday, October 9

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator 624mbps in a 80MHz channel, ACM, copper gigabit port. The DT version is a little over twice that for double the throughput and dual SFP slots. I used to be able to get a SIAE ALFOplus link for the same

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Jason McKemie
re if I can release pricing but figure somewhere >>> around $10-$12k with antennas depending on options. If you double up the >>> radios, even more. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-bou

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Rory Conaway
I just checked. I got the DT version. Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 2:38 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator Mind sharing the specs (throughput, channel size, etc) of the ST model for a super lazy

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Josh Baird
>> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:54 PM >> *To:* AFMUG >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator >> >> >> >&

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Jason McKemie
ptions. If you double up the > radios, even more. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:54 PM > *To:* AFMUG > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > >

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Rory Conaway
The original idea was $2000-$2500 per radio but it ended up being a little more than that. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 2:15 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator I figured as much. Bummer. Not sure where

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Josh Baird
options. If you double up the > radios, even more. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:54 PM > *To:* AFMUG > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Rory Conaway
: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator ~$4k was the price that I heard originally. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 4:28 PM Rory Conaway mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: I have 2 of the units. They second antenna showed up today so they are going up on Monday. Depends on what you think the price is.

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Josh Baird
> > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:17 PM > *To:* AFMUG > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > > > > I heard that some people have beta units.. I have also heard the price is > NOT what ev

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Joe Novak
t; Depends on what you think the price is. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:17 PM > *To:* AFMUG > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator > > > > I heard tha

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Rory Conaway
I have 2 of the units. They second antenna showed up today so they are going up on Monday. Depends on what you think the price is. Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:17 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Josh Baird
I heard that some people have beta units.. I have also heard the price is NOT what everyone thought it would be. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:32 PM Joe Novak wrote: > Everyone was talking about it at the Spring show. > > If it's not actually in the wild yet I start to question it's existence. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Joe Novak
Everyone was talking about it at the Spring show. If it's not actually in the wild yet I start to question it's existence. Joe On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:23 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm not sure if there are any out in the wild as of yet. > If so, is anyone

[AFMUG] Bridgewave Navigator

2018-10-09 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm not sure if there are any out in the wild as of yet. If so, is anyone using these? Thoughts? The features look good, and pricing is pretty aggressive. -Jason -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com