Re: [AFMUG] ePMP use with Itelite-sector-xl-2.45dualband-2xdual

2015-05-25 Thread Chuck Hogg
Part of the problem is that ePMP 2.4GHz is dual slant on the suggested AP's antenna. It is not dual slant on this antenna. Regards, Chuck On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Maybe I can sell my used Trango shield kits after all. The ones with the blue RF

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP use with Itelite-sector-xl-2.45dualband-2xdual

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't think slant is any better at obstruction penetration. It does get you some noise rejection from everything else out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 25, 2015 9:10 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Part

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Lewis Bergman
First I'll say this is one of those theological type discussions. But since I am sitting in a place swamped by rain and some hail, why not? I think nano is great if you don't use CLI much since you can figure it out fast. To me vim is better if you use CLI all the time and edit a lot. Just the

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I just died a little inside for you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 25, 2015 11:07 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Nano is infinitely easier to use than vi. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Bill Prince
Me thinks you don't know the meaning of suffering. I have used text editors that go way back. Vi is among the best that I've used. I've used nano a little bit, and it's functional, but not as useful or quick as vi. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/25/2015 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I

[AFMUG] mimosa b5c

2015-05-25 Thread Ryan Mano
Have a question about the setup on these... How good are those pigtails as appose to the think lmr cables? Right now am running the thick ones...lmr 400 6footers Ntype connectors...are the pigtails any better?? thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Web Interface for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
That is really fantastic! Not quite what I'm looking for, but that is very cool either way. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Cameron Camp came...@ivdatacenter.com wrote: I wrote a CLI “wizard” that

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Please don't be serious =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Nano here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Nano is infinitely easier to use than vi. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I can use it. I simply choose to not unnecessarily complicate my life. For instance, nano doesn't come with OpenBSD, you have to install it. However, I had to use vi to get the system into a usable state before I could install nano. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Bill Prince
That's a matter of opinion. Invest a small amount of time with vi (or vim), and it becomes a great works anywhere text editor. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/25/2015 8:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Nano is infinitely easier to use than vi. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I hate vi, probably because I used nano first. I'm very lazy. On May 25, 2015 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Wonder why it comes with Vi instead of Nano =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon,

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't see any possible way that vi is better than nano. That's like saying you prefer the assembly of the NanoBridge or Force100 over the NanoBeam. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com -

Re: [AFMUG] Failed CNUT upgrade to 12.1

2015-05-25 Thread Shayne Lebrun
We've seen this happen; upgrading a whack of SMs, and sometimes, one or two don't come back. For us, a reboot brings them back on the upgraded firmware. Canopy radios are pretty good with firmware upgrades; I think, in, sheesh, 13+ years of dealing with them, I've had exactly one full-on brick.

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Ken Hohhof
If I can use vi, anyone can use vi. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:07 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND Nano is infinitely easier to use than vi. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I know how to use it, I'm just not a masochist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 25,

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
vi is like trying to use a rock as a drill. It'll eventually work, but there are much better ways of getting things done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Wonder why it comes with Vi instead of Nano =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I can use it. I simply choose to not unnecessarily complicate my life. For

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Well once you learn Vi you wouldn't go back to Nano, it feels way too slow. But you can't really be lazy and learn something, so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 11:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hey, I switched from emacs. Who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks? And remember, vi-vi-vi, the editor of the beast. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND I hate vi, probably because I used nano

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I CLI only as much as necessary. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Jon Bruce
(nano is a fork of pico) On 5/25/2015 12:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Me thinks you don't know the meaning of suffering. I have used text editors that go way back. Vi is among the best that I've used. I've used nano a little bit, and it's functional, but not as useful or quick as vi. bp

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Replace all occurrences of a word in a config in one command Syntax highlighting Go directly to a line Go directly to line with phrase Bring up a line with one command Duplicate line(s) with one command Remove line(s) with one command Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Bill Prince
GUIs are great if you don't use something a lot. But if you want/need to do a lot in a short amount of time, the CLI usually is the better choice. GUIs tend to get in the way of anything even slightly out of routine. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/25/2015 9:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
pico? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: nano is the only one I can remember the name of when I have to edit cfgs in linux systems. Very rare for me to have to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nissan Leaf Battery

2015-05-25 Thread Chuck McCown
It can do 1.21 MW maybe depending on the internal resistance of the battery... If I can dump 2500 amps at 500 volts. If I could dump 2.5 million amps I could get you your (approx) 1.21 GW for 19 microseconds! From: George Skorup Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Reynolds
Nano has a pretty good selection of templates for various programming languages now. On May 25, 2015 12:51:28 PM AKDT, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I like using VIM when I have to code because of the cool color tagging you can do. On 5/25/2015 11:01 AM, Bill Prince wrote: That's

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Chuck McCown
No, it was a nice editor that later became WordPerfect. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND pico? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 25,

[AFMUG] OT Nissan Leaf Battery

2015-05-25 Thread Chuck McCown
Sometimes when folks ask me how big the battery is I say 540 yotta electron volts. Some say “hmmm” and nod knowingly... I think it is also .945 micrograms if I did the conversion properly. I think that is probably the coolest unit of measure for energy. This car has a 1 microgram

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP use with Itelite-sector-xl-2.45dualband-2xdual

2015-05-25 Thread Chuck Hogg
Agreed. Regards, Chuck On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I don't think slant is any better at obstruction penetration. It does get you some noise rejection from everything else out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Sometimes it's color coding what I have open, sometimes not. I don't pay attention to when it is or isn't as I'm usually just in there to make edits and not composing from scratch. Usually I'm just searching for a string near what I want to edit, then just edit it. - Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Web Interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Cameron Camp
Thanks Josh for the compliment, this script really sped adding new domains up for us. I teach new people to Linux to use nano because it works like you’d think an editor should, sort of like notepad for Linux. OTOH, vi is muscle memory now, and you can’t break a system enough that it won’t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nissan Leaf Battery

2015-05-25 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
1.21 of course! Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ www.gogebicrange.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 1:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Nissan Leaf Battery Yeahbut

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread David Milholen
Either one is useful for editing functionality depending on what you are used to using. I started out on pico and x-term, I can easily move between nano and vi with no issue. On 5/25/2015 10:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Nano is infinitely easier to use than vi. - Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread David Milholen
I like using VIM when I have to code because of the cool color tagging you can do. On 5/25/2015 11:01 AM, Bill Prince wrote: That's a matter of opinion. Invest a small amount of time with vi (or vim), and it becomes a great works anywhere text editor. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Chuck McCown
nano is the only one I can remember the name of when I have to edit cfgs in linux systems. Very rare for me to have to do that. I was a big pedit guy back in the day. (or was it p-edit or p edit, I think it was pedit or pe) From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:54 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Web Interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Bill Prince
The first time I had to use vi I was sent to Tennessee for an emergency programming project. Before I got on the airplane, I snabbed (borrowed) a copy of the Nutshell book on vi. I then read the book on the flight to Nashville. It was kind of a trial by fire, because the platform I had to use

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nissan Leaf Battery

2015-05-25 Thread George Skorup
Yeahbut how many jigawatts? On 5/25/2015 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Sometimes when folks ask me how big the battery is I say 540 yotta electron volts. Some say “hmmm” and nod knowingly... I think it is also .945 micrograms if I did the conversion properly. I think that is probably the

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b5c

2015-05-25 Thread Mathew Howard
Depends what pigtails you use. Most pigtails are a lot smaller cable, the difference in loss is going to be negligible... I think we're running 18 LMR-240, which should be about 0.3db of loss and a 6' LMR-400 should be about 0.6db. I generally find it to be easier work with pigtails, but if it's

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Paul Stewart
For those of us that still use PINE or Alpine for email at times (yes, I still do for certain accounts) then using Nano is almost second nature….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nissan Leaf Battery

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Just extend the pole on the top of the car so it catches the power when you drive past. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if 19 microseconds is

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread David Milholen
use VIM and it should populate in color without any modifications. It makes editing easier on the eyes and anymore the mono colors make my eyes hurt after a while. On 5/25/2015 4:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Sometimes it's color coding what I have open, sometimes not. I don't pay attention to

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Paul Stewart
Awesome – my personal favorite ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 9:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND Nano here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Paul Stewart
I ran ISPConfig for a while for a specific system … it wasn’t bad … broke some things trying to upgrade it though. Also, really disliked running MySQL on a bunch of different servers just so it could generate config files locally (centralized MySQL would make much more sense in my opinion).

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Ken Hohhof
According to this: http://www.wordplace.com/ap/ it was P-Edit, for Program Editor. Developed at BYU. Probably why you remember it. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND No, it was a nice editor that later

Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND

2015-05-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I'm trying facileMachine for a bit. Doesn't work on CentosOS due to their damn massive changes, but the Dev has fixed a couple of bugs I found already today. The clients can do SSH, cron, or http for config. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Nissan Leaf Battery

2015-05-25 Thread Mathew Howard
I wonder if 19 microseconds is enough... seems like it should be sufficient. On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: It can do 1.21 MW maybe depending on the internal resistance of the battery... If I can dump 2500 amps at 500 volts. If I could dump 2.5