Re: [AFMUG] downgrading pmp100 radio

2015-12-17 Thread Craig Schmaderer
I noticed that too. Radios do update fine. Host: 169.254.1.1;ESN: 0A003E26EB2C;Message: Radio closed FTP connectionFTP transfer files failed, org.apache.commons.net.ftp.FTPConnectionClosedException: Connection closed without indication.. Will retry transfer file. (SITE= No Site Name) Here is

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Keefe John
fiber drops? On 12/17/2015 9:31 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: just do your own drops, GEPON comes identical to Ethernet... with less headaches On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jeremy > wrote: So you use a diplexer and run broadband

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Gino Villarini
yup On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Keefe John wrote: > fiber drops? > > > On 12/17/2015 9:31 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > > just do your own drops, GEPON comes identical to Ethernet... with less > headaches > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jeremy

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Cameron Crum
Network Analyzer...but those are pretty pricey. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > What device could we use to measure return loss at microwave frequencies > on a coax cable and/or antenna (N-connectors if that matters)? A TDR > perhaps? Will this

Re: [AFMUG] Powering Load off the battery output/charger of a rectifier?

2015-12-17 Thread Gino Villarini
what if the +48 gear is isolated and the -48 gear is not, would it work? On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > As long as you don’t short out hot chassis, it will work fine. > > But if the +48 gear has a hot chassis and the –48 gear also has hot > chassis, they

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Adam Moffett
Looks like this will definitely do the job: https://www.anritsu.com/en-US/test-measurement/products/s412e I'm afraid of what the quote will be :) On 12/17/2015 10:29 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: What device could we use to measure return loss at microwave frequencies on a coax cable and/or antenna

[AFMUG] OT: Star Wars Spoiler

2015-12-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
snape kills dumbledore

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450i report

2015-12-17 Thread Bill Prince
The smart meters here do a mesh/hub system. All the meters talk to each other doing a FHSS mesh. They figure out where the nearest hub is, and all the meters in a neighborhood relay their information to the hub through the meter(s) that are closest to the hub. So they are chatting all the

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Gino Villarini
just do your own drops, GEPON comes identical to Ethernet... with less headaches On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jeremy wrote: > So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as dish/cable > tv? > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup

[AFMUG] New Unlicensed LTE Coalition

2015-12-17 Thread Gino Villarini
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151216005417/en/MulteFire-Alliance-Formed-Bring-Enhanced-Wireless-Performance

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Adam Moffett
Specifically 3.6ghz in this case. In a perfect world I would hope for something that can test from 2.4 up to 6ghz. On 12/17/2015 10:40 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: What frequency? On Dec 17, 2015 8:29 AM, "Adam Moffett" > wrote: What

Re: [AFMUG] New Unlicensed LTE Coalition

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes more noise On Dec 17, 2015 8:32 AM, "Gino Villarini" wrote: > > http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151216005417/en/MulteFire-Alliance-Formed-Bring-Enhanced-Wireless-Performance >

[AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Adam Moffett
What device could we use to measure return loss at microwave frequencies on a coax cable and/or antenna (N-connectors if that matters)? A TDR perhaps? Will this cost thousands of dollars or is there a cheap/simple tool? A lot of coax testers I see online are targeted at CATV so I'm guessing

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450i report

2015-12-17 Thread Adam Moffett
I know I'm late to this thread. The only smart meter system in this area is a polling system. The meter reader just drives down the street while his truck transmits a polling message, which the meters then reply to. The meters only speak when spoken too, so we never really had a problem

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
What frequency? On Dec 17, 2015 8:29 AM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > What device could we use to measure return loss at microwave frequencies > on a coax cable and/or antenna (N-connectors if that matters)? A TDR > perhaps? Will this cost thousands of dollars or is there a

Re: [AFMUG] 100vac to 24vdc 3+ amp Din rail power supply

2015-12-17 Thread Bill Prince
No, because I'm right about that same mental age. Only I prefer ales. bp On 12/16/2015 8:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Would you refuse an invitation to join him? *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:08 PM *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Jeremy
So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as dish/cable tv? On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz. Can't use MoCA > (>950MHz) when we're mixed with L-band on the same network (we're

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Check out Commscope website for some tools ,calculators and tips. Watt meter is what we use with a Bird Tester but only up to 2.4 On Dec 17, 2015 8:41 AM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > Specifically 3.6ghz in this case. > In a perfect world I would hope for something that can test

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450i report

2015-12-17 Thread Bill Prince
I went out with a PG technician that had a special scanning tool that connected to the mesh. It showed all the local smart meters (hundreds and hundreds through the hub we were looking at). bp On 12/17/2015 9:04 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: what do you use to "see"

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Mathew Howard
If I remember correctly, they it drops to 16 or 17 dbm (from 26)... so it is a pretty huge drop. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM, John Woodfield wrote: > Thats all fine and great. The question is how far does it lower the TX > power. > > > > > > > > John Woodfield,

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread George Skorup
Yes On 12/17/2015 9:06 AM, Jeremy wrote: So you use a diplexer and run broadband over the same coax as dish/cable tv? On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:47 PM, George Skorup > wrote: Custom EoC modems tuned/filtered to something like 5-40MHz. Can't

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Star Wars Spoiler

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
X Files1/24/2016 Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > snape kills dumbledore >

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread John Woodfield
Thats all fine and great. The question is how far does it lower the TX power. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: "Mathew Howard" Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:05pm To: "af" Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Here's our internally compiled list (xx shows which channels weren't available or aren't available post activation): Based on a radio with a 25dBi dish (Nanobridge M5-25 or PowerBeam M5-400) you will have the following channels and tx powers available: Channel Old dBm New dBm 516011

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
The least expensive tool to use not requiring bunches of math and that shows useful data is from Bird. Nice little unit and about $20,000 less than the Anritsu we have that does the same thing. http://www.birdrf.com/Products/Analyzers/Site-Hawk/SK-4000-TC-SiteHawk-Analyzer.aspx#.VnL4f_krLIU On

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Jeremy
I just spent an hour looking for a table like that on the ubnt forums. Came back and there it is! Thanks! On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Max Tx power is only 18 or 19 at 64QAM 5/6 on a "M" series 802.11n 2x2 > ubnt radio anyhow... So it's not a

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yes. It's not old like my stuff huh Josh On Dec 17, 2015 10:38 AM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Very nice table!!! > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Cassidy

Re: [AFMUG] downgrading pmp100 radio

2015-12-17 Thread George Skorup
Could be an FTP passive thing. If it's not that, then you'll probably want to hit up Cambium support. If I have some time this afternoon, I will mess with a couple radios on the bench and see if I see the same. On 12/17/2015 8:57 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote: I noticed that too. Radios do

Re: [AFMUG] distributing policy routes via ospf?

2015-12-17 Thread Joshaven Mailing Lists
OSPF is properly sharing the route information for the connected routes properly, right? Like there is a proper route to anything on your network on every router. Assuming that than we are talking about routes to sources off the network. So the question is how to inform a router that

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Carl Peterson
"It is definitely for cable and telco. My guess is it's the same for any kind of drop. If it goes from a unit/apartment to one or more central locations, then it is a drop." The "Cable Inside Wiring rule" 47 C.F.R. 76.800 covers Cable TV drops. The "Telephony Demarcation Point rule" 47 C.F.R.

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Headed to check out a link that was upgraded to new firmware and keys that dropped completely. Wish me luck. On Dec 17, 2015 10:50 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > If I remember correctly, they it drops to 16 or 17 dbm (from 26)... so it > is a pretty huge drop. > > On Thu,

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Max Tx power is only 18 or 19 at 64QAM 5/6 on a "M" series 802.11n 2x2 ubnt radio anyhow... So it's not a terribly disaster for PTP links. I believe they are only +23 when operating in QPSK. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > If I remember correctly,

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450i report

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
what do you use to "see" the signals? Most FHSS move so fast Airview doesn't catch it very well. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > The smart meters here do a mesh/hub system. All the meters talk to

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Mathew Howard
+1 Very nice! On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Very nice table!!! > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Very nice table!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > Here's our internally compiled list (xx shows which channels weren't > available or aren't

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Adam Moffett
A power meter.I should have thought of that. On 12/17/2015 1:00 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Cheapest way is to use a watt meter on one end with a known transmit power on the other, calculate loss. Also measure SWR at the radio with a meter that covers that range, you can calculate the

Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss

2015-12-17 Thread Chuck McCown
That is what I use. I also have lots of return loss bridges which will do the same thing. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Measure return loss Network Analyzer...but those are pretty pricey. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Star Wars Spoiler

2015-12-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
oh I know, huge parts of it were filmed less than a few kilometers from my home. x-files = vancouver On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > X Files1/24/2016 > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] distributing policy routes via ospf?

2015-12-17 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Thats the gist of it time to move on the bgp i guess On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists < lis...@joshaven.com> wrote: > OSPF is properly sharing the route information for the connected routes > properly, right? Like there is a proper route to anything on your network > on

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread Joe Falaschi
We use Planet VDSL in business buildings where it's not economical to run ethernet and want to use twisted pair. We use C9 Networks CMTS systems when we want to ride coax. They have a DOCSIS 3.0 system but ours is pretty old and is a 1.0 box. We've been running it for years and it's very

Re: [AFMUG] Powering Load off the battery output/charger of arectifier?

2015-12-17 Thread Chuck McCown
I think so. From: Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Load off the battery output/charger of arectifier? what if the +48 gear is isolated and the -48 gear is not, would it work? On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] MDU deployments. Can you make any money on them?

2015-12-17 Thread George Skorup
You could be right. I think the best thing you could do is to get it on record with the property management. On 12/17/2015 11:04 AM, Carl Peterson wrote: "It is definitely for cable and telco. My guess is it's the same for any kind of drop. If it goes from a unit/apartment to one or more

Re: [AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create mess

2015-12-17 Thread Sterling Jacobson
It’s more fun when you hit a gas line. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 7:24 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create mess Making messes On Dec 17, 2015 7:04 PM, "Chuck McCown"

Re: [AFMUG] Some Epmp pics on historic lighthouse

2015-12-17 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Looks like some new elerting system to keep the ships away! Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 > On Dec 17, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > > >

Re: [AFMUG] downgrading pmp100 radio

2015-12-17 Thread George Skorup
I factory defaulted a P10 5400SM that was running 12.1 and took it up to 13.1.3 without an issue. No error about version mismatch. Then I took it down directly to 11.2 and got the version mismatch after the reboot verification, but it is running 11.2 just fine. No FTP errors either. So yeah,

Re: [AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create mess

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
That shit won't fly here... our city inspectors are pretty good about stuff like that On Dec 17, 2015 6:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article49959860.html > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create mess

2015-12-17 Thread Chuck McCown
This is my daily life... -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 6:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create mess http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article49959860.html

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

2015-12-17 Thread Tyler Treat
I want that kind of money. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

2015-12-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
He’s a real classy guy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3363202/Martin-Shkreli-hurls-sexist-comment-Taylor-Swift-saying-play-2million-Wu-Tang-Clan-album-exchange-sexual-favor.html From: Tyler Treat Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT -

Re: [AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create mess

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Making messes On Dec 17, 2015 7:04 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > This is my daily life... > > -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, December 17, > 2015 6:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create > mess >

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

2015-12-17 Thread Jay Weekley
I would quit my jobs if I had that much. On December 17, 2015 8:11:45 PM CST, Tyler Treat wrote: >I want that kind of money. > >___ >Mangled by my iPhone. >___ >Tyler Treat >Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

[AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

2015-12-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today. Everybody knows him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams almost daily to his fans. Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, slacker kid living in his parents basement that

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

2015-12-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Well frustrating day. We moved channels on ptp while using another radio to run airview and site survey. Moved to 5190 and the other wisp moved to 5180Us at 20 and him at 40Mhz...moved to 5275...10 minutes later he moved to 5265...so I configured our scanner radio to 8Mhz and parked it on

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

2015-12-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
He's also the guy who spent $2 million for a single copy of a Wu Tang Clan album. On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today. Everybody knows > him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he

[AFMUG] OT - fiber digs create mess

2015-12-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article49959860.html

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

2015-12-17 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
while hes locked up, the bill murray clause in the wutang sale may come into play On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > I would quit my jobs if I had that much. > > On December 17, 2015 8:11:45 PM CST, Tyler Treat < > tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>