[AFMUG] A Google Fiber move to wireless could keep it competitive | Computerworld

2016-08-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3107835/wireless-networking/a-google-fiber-move-to-wireless-could-keep-it-competitive.html I laughed

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread George Skorup
Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity, which

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-15 Thread Mathew Howard
I don't think there's currently any way to attach an ePMP 2000 to a horn... I'm pretty sure it won't fit in the twist port adapter for the ePMP 1000. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and >

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Erich Kaiser
So looking at Cambium Forums http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Bill Prince
If the radio will take + or -, then that tells me that neither input is bonded to ground (as it should be if the world was perfect). bp On 8/15/2016 6:07 PM, George Skorup wrote: + or - directly. So does that mean the return is chassis bonded or not? As you know

[AFMUG] ePMP 2000 and RF Elements

2016-08-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Any reason you couldn't use an RF Elements horn with an ePMP 2000 (and it's smart antenna)? I assume not, but figured I'd ask. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread George Skorup
+ or - directly. So does that mean the return is chassis bonded or not? As you know from years of experience with this stuff, you can't mix +48 and -48 gear when the returns are chassis bonded. Meaning the same DC bus, without DC-DC converters for isolation. I have (perhaps too much)

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Erich Kaiser
I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work + or - 48v DC directly into the unit. Also if you have the POE Unit it can do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell:

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
>>I think it's -48 or optional +24 Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and put out -48dc for the radio). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Sean Heskett
I think it's -48 or optional +24 -Sean On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup wrote: > The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina? > > On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > here's the data from the manual. we installed ours a year ago

Re: [AFMUG] 24GHz Radio

2016-08-15 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Depends on your distance and rain zone, in ITU rain zone D (Seattle) we have constant winter rain but rarely a heavy downpour. An AF24 link at 2.5 or 3 km will exceed five nines availability if aimed right. If you're in Houston or Miami, you're screwed On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Kurt

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread George Skorup
The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina? On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: here's the data from the manual. we installed ours a year ago and i thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been for the PMP450i APs we deployed at

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements vs. Cambium sectors

2016-08-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yep... My bad On Aug 15, 2016 4:27 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" wrote: > You see what happens when you try lame humor before the Tecate ! > > > :) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk:

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Sean Heskett
here's the data from the manual. we installed ours a year ago and i thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time. Power Input Specifications • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC Power

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I don't think so... If these are the OEM Ceragon IP20 units... then nope... they are designed/ spec'ed for -48 DC (Telco power) There is an optional POE converter/injector which can be powered with +/- 24 v DC.. but don't forget to check the power consumption as well 35W-40W... :)

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread George Skorup
I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input? On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W) -sean On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser > wrote: Do the Netonix

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Sean Heskett
PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W) -sean On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: > Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S? Has anyone used them togther? > > Erich Kaiser > North Central Tower > er...@northcentraltower.com > Office: 630-621-4804 >

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements vs. Cambium sectors

2016-08-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You see what happens when you try lame humor before the Tecate ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza"

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Erich Kaiser
Dang I did the samePlus I would get it overnight from Streakwave. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > > looks like if we had purchased

[AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

2016-08-15 Thread Erich Kaiser
Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S? Has anyone used them togther? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements vs. Cambium sectors

2016-08-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
Hey... I was attempting lame humor On Aug 15, 2016 3:55 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > I think he might have been pointing out that if your installer didn’t know > about the 2 degree downtilt, it could have been installed with too much > downtilt which would adversely affect

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements vs. Cambium sectors

2016-08-15 Thread Ken Hohhof
I think he might have been pointing out that if your installer didn’t know about the 2 degree downtilt, it could have been installed with too much downtilt which would adversely affect performance comparisons. Also look at the elevation plots for the 2 products, the Cambium sector is shown as

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements vs. Cambium sectors

2016-08-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
Use a washer... Zaz 2 degree downtilt. Lol On Aug 15, 2016 3:25 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" wrote: Sitting back and just comparing the specs, I can believe the results. Both are excellent sectors, but if you do a line by line spec comparison you will see that RF Elements eeks

Re: [AFMUG] RF Elements vs. Cambium sectors

2016-08-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Sitting back and just comparing the specs, I can believe the results. Both are excellent sectors, but if you do a line by line spec comparison you will see that RF Elements eeks out by a notch. The only thing to keep in mind is that Cambium is showing 2degree electrical down-tilt, and Rf

Re: [AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel

2016-08-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
Leave as is... Don't create issues... Like folks that cut ground plugs off !!! On Aug 15, 2016 1:39 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > @George & Seth, yup I was being dense, neutral is not switched. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "George Skorup" >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Was missing a critical A it appears. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 1:40 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers Googolealo ese Holmes... Gives it more street cred On Aug 15, 2016 11:51 AM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: The

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Jaime Solorza
Googolealo ese Holmes... Gives it more street cred On Aug 15, 2016 11:51 AM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > The Google ;) > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:48 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel

2016-08-15 Thread Adam Moffett
@George & Seth, yup I was being dense, neutral is not switched. -- Original Message -- From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 8/15/2016 3:36:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel What switch are you installing? Generac or

Re: [AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel

2016-08-15 Thread George Skorup
What switch are you installing? Generac or something else? In a standard 1ph 240 setup, the neutral isn't switched. The Generac switches with a built-in load center (such as the RTG) are designed as a sub-panel off of the main. You pull your hot and neutrals over for circuits that you want on

Re: [AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel

2016-08-15 Thread Adam Moffett
I was assuming the transfer switch switched everything, but I double checked after reading your email and it turns out yeah I'm being a dummy. The xfer switch only switches the hot wires. Neutral is always connectedso I guess I always have the N-G connection in the main panel where it

Re: [AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Does the transfer switch just switch the two main hot legs? I assume so or you would not be asking. No problem bonding gen neutral to gnd. But how do your loads get a good bonded neutral when on utility power if you lift that bond? I think you are safe in keeping them all connected. With

Re: [AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel

2016-08-15 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/15/16 12:16, Adam Moffett wrote: I was planning to add a Generac to a site and connect the transfer switch to a subpanel rather than the main panel. The "utility" input to the transfer switch would come from a 50-amp breaker in the main service panel. I was thinking I would remove the

[AFMUG] Ground-Neutral bond for generator subpanel

2016-08-15 Thread Adam Moffett
I was planning to add a Generac to a site and connect the transfer switch to a subpanel rather than the main panel. The "utility" input to the transfer switch would come from a 50-amp breaker in the main service panel. I was thinking I would remove the ground-neutral bond in the transfer

[AFMUG] RF Elements vs. Cambium sectors

2016-08-15 Thread Paul McCall
I saw an interesting set of test results or someone testing an ePMP 1000 with RF Elements 17 db sector vs. Cambium ePMP 2000 with Cambium 2000 sector, and the performance was actually better with RF elements. Yet, Cambium's new sector claims 35dB F/B vs. 29dB for RF Elements. Anybody using RF

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Thanks, that seems to work. From: Sriram Chaturvedi Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers Hi Chuck, You are probably looking for C058900A112A which is the ePMP 1000 5 GHz Connectorized Radio with Sync. All the ePMP part

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

2016-08-15 Thread Travis Johnson
Up another 10% just today... good call on keeping some. :) Travis On 8/15/2016 8:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: i only sold 33% of mine... lol - Original Message - *From:* Travis Johnson *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Sriram Chaturvedi
Hi Chuck, You are probably looking for C058900A112A which is the ePMP 1000 5 GHz Connectorized Radio with Sync. All the ePMP part numbers are available in the Release Notes. Here’s a link to the latest: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/file/44f10cbaf696673e19da8eff3ad2ba8e20f05750 Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Josh Luthman
The Google ;) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > If you put that in Streakwave’s search field it comes up with nothing. > > *From:* Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Jay Weekley
How long have you wanted to tell that joke? CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: looks like if we had purchased from streakwave instead of direct we would have saved $19 man, that's like nearly four big macs ;) - Original Message - *From:* Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
If you put that in Streakwave’s search field it comes up with nothing. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers Part number for model C058900P112A aka connectorized 5 ghz radio non-sync Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Josh Luthman
Part number for model C058900P112A aka connectorized 5 ghz radio non-sync Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Can anyone tell me exactly what C058900C112A is? I

[AFMUG] ePMP part numbers

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Can anyone tell me exactly what C058900C112A is? I want to buy one but Streakwave does not stock that number and I am getting confused by some of the other vendors.

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
looks like if we had purchased from streakwave instead of direct we would have saved $19 man, that's like nearly four big macs ;) - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Yeah,

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

2016-08-15 Thread Paul Stewart
thanks for that… their name sounded familiar and now I know where from – AMS-IX peering exchange… Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Roger Timmerman Sent: August 15, 2016 12:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear We have been using

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah, they had a discount and I am asking for will call in SLC to save the shipping too. From: Jeremy Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Good to know. I think I elected to start buying direct because of the huge demand and limited stock on

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Jeremy
Good to know. I think I elected to start buying direct because of the huge demand and limited stock on the WS-12-250-DC at launch. Sounds like I need to look at Streakwave again. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Thanks > > *From:* Darin Steffl

Re: [AFMUG] DWDM Gear

2016-08-15 Thread Roger Timmerman
We have been using new and old DWDM gear from Adva Optical Networking on a span from Tremonton to St. George (~400 miles) in Utah with lots of add/drops along the way and several ROADMs. We're upgrading to their newer stuff (100G waves), but a lot of the older stuff (40x 10G) we have in place has

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Thanks From: Darin Steffl Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Streakwave has discount pricing vs. direct. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: I buy direct. I think the price is the same either way if I

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Darin Steffl
Streakwave has discount pricing vs. direct. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Jeremy wrote: > I buy direct. I think the price is the same either way if I recall > correctly. > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Who has the best

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

2016-08-15 Thread Paul Stewart
Congrats.. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: August 15, 2016 10:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] GPRO Well GPRO just hit $15 this morning... wish I had held on just a little bit longer, but at least my prediction was

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone used this streaming recorder yet?

2016-08-15 Thread Jeremy
I have used PlayOn for probably like five years. I never used the recording feature. Before set top boxes really took off, a PlayOn server was the only way to watch Hulu on a television. After Hulu Plus came out, it was the only way to watch regular Hulu (free) on a tv. For a long time free

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Jeremy
I buy direct. I think the price is the same either way if I recall correctly. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Who has the best prices? Seems like last time I got something from them, > it was cheaper buying direct. Or perhaps I am confused. >

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone used this streaming recorder yet?

2016-08-15 Thread Simon Westlake
http://www.techhive.com/article/3058783/streaming-services/catching-up-with-playon-the-dvr-for-streaming-video.html Pertinent section: Last year, Netflix director of corporate communications Cliff Edwardstold Tom’s Guide

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone used this streaming recorder yet?

2016-08-15 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Netflix is said to come out with offline viewing soon. http://www.techtimes.com/articles/166875/20160625/netflix-offline-viewing-reportedly-in-the-works-download-feature-should-launch-by-years-end.htm On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > isn't it

[AFMUG] Netonix

2016-08-15 Thread Chuck McCown
Who has the best prices? Seems like last time I got something from them, it was cheaper buying direct. Or perhaps I am confused.

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

2016-08-15 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
i only sold 33% of mine... lol - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 9:37 AM Subject: [AFMUG] GPRO Well GPRO just hit $15 this morning... wish I had held on just a little bit longer, but at least my prediction was

[AFMUG] GPRO

2016-08-15 Thread Travis Johnson
Well GPRO just hit $15 this morning... wish I had held on just a little bit longer, but at least my prediction was correct. :) Travis

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-15 Thread Rory Conaway
How many B5/B5-Lite clients can attach to a B5c with say 50Mbps of throughput? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments Correct. The B5-Lites connect on the

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-15 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
A note about smaller cells... There are two types of WISPS out there, those who try to service every customer from one giant tower, (typical distance between 2-10 miles) and the other type that trys to put internet on every grain leg in existence with small cells maybe 2-3 miles apart. I happen to

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-15 Thread Jaime Fink
Not initially, we're anticipating adding that software feature closer to end of year where we introduce cross flexibility/compatibility in the platforms. Jaime On Aug 15, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Chris Fabien > wrote: Can the C5 connect to B5 in ptmp

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone used this streaming recorder yet?

2016-08-15 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
isn't it against Netflix TOS to record their content? On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:33 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > https://www.playon.tv/features/watch-netflix-offline-with-streaming- > recorder > > > > *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* > > *4226 S. 37th Street •

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP2000 vs. Mimosa A5 deployments

2016-08-15 Thread Chris Fabien
Can the C5 connect to B5 in ptmp mode? On Aug 15, 2016 12:00 AM, "Jaime Fink" wrote: > Yes, 2 channels are supported with B5 or B5c clients, B5-Lite clients are > also supported at a single channel and are compatible with B5/B5c. > > You can intermix single and dual channel