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DIA and bandwidth usage cost is going to zero.
But the port charge to access that DIA is not really going down much.
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
I charge you for the Coke
If you have charter talk to somebody in WBI aka wholesale who can give you
better rate then what regular business can give you.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 10/06/17 03:28
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New
supp...@snappytelecom.net
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:41:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
> Where you own the fiber. I am talking about zero for DIA. Port charges only.
> From: Mike Hammett
>
On 10/6/17 8:03 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Okay, so your transit still costs you something.
Companies don't really separate it out anymore. I feel like that's a
thing of year's gone by. You want 3 gigs delivered there? $x.
I take it as a clear sign of old school telcom when I see separate port
- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 9:41:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
Where you own the fiber. I am talking about zero for DIA. Port charges only.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October
Where you own the fiber. I am talking about zero for DIA. Port charges only.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
Where is transit zero?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
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> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:25:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>
> several places, if you know the owners/operators of ma
@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:25:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
several places, if you know the owners/operators of major content source ISPs
(dedicated hosting/VPS/virtual server/colocation/rack & cage colo) that have
extremely heavy outb
WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October
Where is transit zero?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:30:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs
I know of one case where it is zero now.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
It won't hit zero, the metric will just shift to gigabit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
The trend is toward zero. Just port charges.
Just like long distance did 10 years ago.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
You may
The trend is toward zero. Just port charges.
Just like long distance did 10 years ago.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount
7 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that
actually sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the
100-300 meg range.
You're not going to be getting 20 cents p
I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg...
From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that actually
sounds pretty reasonable to get you
For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that
actually sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the
100-300 meg range.
You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are
buying a 10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive
y, June 24, 2017 8:11:24 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just to
the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding throughout
three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of p
Try to find a close peering facility and transport. May not help. Upstream
pricing is highly localized. You should always try to drive down your cost
but don't be surprised whenyour cost doesn't reach others who habe access
to better connected facility.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017, 8:11 AM Al Rachide
We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just
to the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding
throughout three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where
others are claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get
anything
Steve Buscemi in “Fargo- Payback Time”
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP tool to burn through trees
Yeah, that about melted my mind.
On 5/11/2015 4:42 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKg0gbRFns
Gas and matches are cheaper.
Adam Moffett wrote:
Yeah, that about melted my mind.
On 5/11/2015 4:42 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKg0gbRFns
Who needs NLOS gear when you have this!
--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/
507-634-WiFi
I need one.
Lemme check my funds... lol
- Original Message -
From: Darin Steffl
To: memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com ; Principal WISPA Member List
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] New WISP tool to burn through trees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKg0gbRFns
Who needs NLOS gear when you have this!
--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Yeah, but not fun when fire dept is called LOL
On 5/11/2015 4:26 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Gas and matches are cheaper.
Adam Moffett wrote:
Yeah, that about melted my mind.
On 5/11/2015 4:42 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKg0gbRFns
Who needs NLOS gear when you
I've recommended that technique but no one has taken me up on it that I
know of.
David Milholen wrote:
Yeah, but not fun when fire dept is called LOL
On 5/11/2015 4:26 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Gas and matches are cheaper.
Adam Moffett wrote:
Yeah, that about melted my mind.
On 5/11/2015
You guys have offered so much great advice. I really, truly appreciate it.
I just booked my plane tickets and registered for Animal Farm! Hope to see
you guys there! Can't wait to learn more and get this thing rolling! Thanks
again!
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Trevor Bough
Huh? You mean like, your company or yourself as an individual?
I'm pretty sure I would not let a third party *touch* anything on our
network (sans vendors), let alone install an airmax radio.
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
On 01/06/2015 04:54 PM,
a free employee that just likes doing it.
Craig
- Original Message -
From: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:23:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Ha ha what are the big problems with them? I know there have to be problems due
Customers need tech support. Residential will need more support but
you can work with the urgency. Business will need less support
typically but will be much more urgent. It's hard to grow a business
if you're the only one putting out fires. Have support in place
before it gets rolling hard.
mailto:af@afmug.com
TB Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:17:48 PM
TB Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
TB You guys are great! Thank you for all of the great
advice! I
TB truly appreciate it. Does anyone have any experience with
TB
I second this.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:51 AM, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:
Attend either Animal Farm (www.afmug.com) or the WISPA show in St Louis
http://www.cvent.com/events/wispamerica-2015/event-summary-5fddb419659f4b57871bfd2d0b690a85.aspx
You will learn a lot at either show.
Also, don't plan on doing anything else for a while. And I mean ANYTHING
else - a bathroom break might be possible, however.
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Customers need tech support. Residential will need more support but
you can work with the
Thank you guys so much for all of the info. I'm so glad that I stumbled
upon this community. You guys are great!
Things to do:
Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium products.
This is like getting married and having a bunch of kids and having a bunch of
inlaws move in with you. Don’t screw it up. You have to live with it
24/7/365.
Get into fiber as soon as you can. Take
*** Take all the free advice from Chuck McCown you can get...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/7/2015 7:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Things to do:
Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium
products.
This is like getting married and having a bunch of kids and
stuff and leave. John will escort you to the
door.
*From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Things to do:
Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium products.
This is like
true).
Once in a while:
Here is a box, pack your stuff and leave. John will escort you to the door.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Things to do:
Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium
Not my invention. Disney uses that.
-Original Message-
From: Caleb Knauer
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
I am inviting you to find your happiness elsewhere. -- This is awesome.
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown
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www.pdsconnect.me
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of joseph marsh
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 12:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Make sure u have spare equipment for a tower in case of lighting. Strike
I have Learned this the hard way
07, 2015 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Things to do:
Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium products.
This is like getting married and having a bunch of kids and having a bunch of
inlaws move in with you. Don’t screw it up. You have to live
.
From: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Things to do:
Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium products.
This is like getting married and having a bunch of kids
and leave. John will escort you to the
door.
*From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Things to do:
Pick the right radio the first time. I am partial to Cambium products.
This is like getting
-shit way to do things but
sometimes it is somewhat true).
Once in a while:
Here is a box, pack your stuff and leave. John will escort you to the
door.
*From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Have a million dollars. Cash.
On Jan 6, 2015 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Get a billing system. Powercode or whatever.
Don't finance customers that can't pay up front, wastes billing time
instead of installing more customers.
Don't use your cell phone for the
Hi guys, long time listener, first time caller. I'm looking at starting a
new rural WISP and was wondering if you guys could share some of the things
you wish you had known when you started out. Things to absolutely stay away
from, things that you didn't think of first, but made your life 10x
Get a billing system. Powercode or whatever.
Don't finance customers that can't pay up front, wastes billing time
instead of installing more customers.
Don't use your cell phone for the office. Get a hosted PBX. Close the
shop so you don't get burnt out, have other people and or a call
Trevor where are looking to start a WISP?
Many of us have started(Some still using) with just using quickbooks and
excel spreasheets. You can use something like IPPlan to manage your IP
info. Use Mikrotik routers (Many of us are familiar with them), the
biggest question is what type of gear to
months and then pay up, now if I’m 5 days late, they cut me off.
Better to set their expectations early.
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Have a million dollars. Cash.
On Jan 6, 2015 5:23 PM
:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Have a million dollars. Cash.
On Jan 6, 2015 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Get a billing system. Powercode or whatever.
Don't finance
*ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Shielded cable with shielded connectors on every install. I recommend
Shireen on towers and installs. A lot of the guys use UBNT tough cable.
Whatever, just shield and ground. If you cut in wallplates (you
should...it is more
.
From: Jon Langeler
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 7:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
don't bother with anything single polarity at this stage. don't do your own
installs. be well funded. have free help. things like that...
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:21 PM
guys and many of the times we swap customers
a complete reinstall is required.
From: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
Sender: Af af-boun...@afmug.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 00:21:09 +
To: af@afmug.com
ReplyTo: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] New WISP
Hi guys, long time listener, first
6, 2015 8:23:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Ha ha what are the big problems with them? I know there have to be problems due
to the fact you are dealing with the government.
On Jan 6, 2015 8:18 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
Run away dont walk
From: Trevor
and super-cheap wifi guys and many of the times we swap customers a complete
reinstall is required.
-Original Message-
From: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
Sender: Af af-boun...@afmug.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 00:21:09
To: af@afmug.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] New WISP
Hi
their expectations early.
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Have a million dollars. Cash.
On Jan 6, 2015 5:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Get a billing system. Powercode
: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Wha? I think doing your own installs is fine, especially in the beginning.
You learn a few things, can get your CPE set up the way you want it, and save
money.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
don't do your own installs.
surges outside the house.
--
*From: * Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sender: * Af af-boun...@afmug.com
*Date: *Wed, 7 Jan 2015 01:29:25 +
*To: *af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Shielded cable with shielded connectors
Yesall of the above, and build some insulation between you and your
customers as soon as possible.
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Get a billing system. Powercode
Run away dont walk
- Original Message -
From: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:17:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
You guys are great! Thank you for all of the great advice! I truly appreciate
it. Does anyone have any
public IP address space and autonomous system number. And don’t NAT a
bunch of customers to one public IP.
*From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
A big one is to know where your
af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
*Date: *Wed, 7 Jan 2015 01:29:25 +
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Shielded cable
dont walk
TB From: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
TB To: af@afmug.com
TB Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:17:48 PM
TB Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
TB You guys are great! Thank you for all of the great advice! I
TB truly appreciate it. Does anyone have any experience with
TB
). Or I used
to wait 3 months and then pay up, now if I’m 5 days late, they cut me off.
Better to set their expectations early.
*From:* Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 6:34 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Have a million dollars. Cash
) and the phone
number of our (least liked) competitor.
--
*From: * Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
*Sender: * Af af-boun...@afmug.com
*Date: *Wed, 7 Jan 2015 00:21:09 +
*To: *af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com
*Subject: *[AFMUG] New WISP
Hi guys, long time
Wha? I think doing your own installs is fine, especially in the
beginning. You learn a few things, can get your CPE set up the way you
want it, and save money.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net
wrote:
don't do your own installs.
I prefer doing my own installs but it doesn't matter too much if it is done
right.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 6, 2015 8:51 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
don't bother with anything single polarity at
and as soon as you stand up to them they'll beg you to let them stay.
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From: cstann...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Oh and if a customer is a huge PITA or doesn't want to pay
TB Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
TB You guys are great! Thank you for all of the great advice! I
TB truly appreciate it. Does anyone have any experience with
TB government grants?
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TB Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:17:48 PM
TB Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
TB You guys are great! Thank you for all of the great advice! I
TB truly appreciate it. Does anyone have any experience
: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
Sender: Af af-boun...@afmug.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 00:21:09
To: af@afmug.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] New WISP
Hi guys, long time listener, first time caller. I'm looking at starting a
new rural WISP and was wondering if you guys could share some
...@gmail.com
Sender: Af af-boun...@afmug.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 01:29:25
To: af@afmug.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Shielded cable with shielded connectors on every install. I recommend
Shireen on towers and installs. A lot of the guys use UBNT tough cable.
Whatever
don't bother with anything single polarity at this stage. don't do your own
installs. be well funded. have free help. things like that...
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys, long time listener, first time caller. I'm looking at
trevorbo...@gmail.com
TB To: af@afmug.com
TB Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:17:48 PM
TB Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
TB You guys are great! Thank you for all of the great advice! I
TB truly appreciate it. Does anyone have any experience with
TB government grants?
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*To: *af@afmug.com
*ReplyTo: * af@afmug.com
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
Shielded cable with shielded connectors on every install. I recommend
Shireen on towers and installs. A lot of the guys use UBNT tough cable.
Whatever, just shield and ground. If you cut in wallplates (you
Don't compromise on backup power. You may hear it argued that if the
tower doesn't have power the customers don't eitherI've never found
that to be true.
There are a few customers who aren't worth having.
and +1 to everything Ken said. Especially on planning and
capitalization. I
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:17:48 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
You guys are great! Thank you for all of the great advice! I truly
appreciate it. Does anyone have any experience with government grants?
Oh, that brings up another point. If at all possible, get your own public IP
address space and autonomous system number. And don’t NAT a bunch of customers
to one public IP.
From: Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
A big
address space and autonomous system number. And don’t NAT a
bunch of customers to one public IP.
*From:* Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
A big one is to know where your bandwidth will come
Attend either Animal Farm (www.afmug.com http://www.afmug.com/) or the WISPA
show in St Louis
http://www.cvent.com/events/wispamerica-2015/event-summary-5fddb419659f4b57871bfd2d0b690a85.aspx
http://www.cvent.com/events/wispamerica-2015/event-summary-5fddb419659f4b57871bfd2d0b690a85.aspx
You
you are dealing with the government.
TB On Jan 6, 2015 8:18 PM, Craig House
TB cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:
TB Run away dont walk
TB From: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com
TB To: af@afmug.com
TB Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 8:17:48 PM
TB Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
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