Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

Looks like it won't be available for a UPS Anytime soon http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/05/07/powerwall-is-sold-out/ On 5/6/2015 3:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: GTR is cheaper. New GTR is $102k. The NISMO GTR is $150k if you can actually get one from the dealer. Those things are absolutely

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WOW.. that’s awesome and sad all in one! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 8:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS Oh that happens all the time. My favorite was the M6 on the trailer.

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GTR is cheaper. New GTR is $102k. The NISMO GTR is $150k if you can actually get one from the dealer. Those things are absolutely gorgeous. Look *cooler *with a Ferrari 360. Be more *comfortable *in a Jag XF (R?) Want *better mileage* on your electric car? Leaf or something of the sort.

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I’m not seeing how all of these are cheaper options. And for the actual cheaper option (Jag XFR-S) its 0-60 is more than a second slower than the P85D. Tesla P85D - $105,000, 0-60 in 2.8s GTR – $150,000, 0-60 in 2.7s Ferrari 360 - $147,000, 0-60 in 3.8s Jag XFR-S - $84,000, 0-60 in 3.9s Chris

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Oh that happens all the time. My favorite was the M6 on the trailer. http://i.imgur.com/eTG9I.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 5, 2015 7:55 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have a few friends with BMW’s ..

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Lol, i have owned over 10 bmws, no problems! Past 1986 325es 1987 325is 1990 325is 1992 325is 1995 M3 1998 318ti 2001 328i 2004 M3 Current 1988 M3 2008 M3 Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 5, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

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I have a few friends with BMW’s .. mainly 500/700 series. Two of them have had issues that are under warranty and still received an invoice – had to fight with the dealer over warranty stuff … honestly don’t know all the details in depth but turned me off pretty quick From: Af

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Check out the Audi SQ5. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS +1 They are very cool to drive … I know there’s other options in that price range … I’ve

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How many are repair free after 100k miles? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 5, 2015 7:09 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Lol, i have owned over 10 bmws, no problems! Past 1986 325es 1987 325is 1990 325is

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Great idea. I wonder if it helped. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 7:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS Oh that happens all the time. My favorite was the M6 on the trailer.

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Hmmm.. interesting.. Audi dealer close by so will check that out too … thanks.. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 7:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS Check out the Audi SQ5. From:

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M4 Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 5, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Maybe I should have said gimmick. But I can’t believe you left off 2015 Hellcat 2015 Shelby GT 2016 Ford GT – I’m working the lottery hard for this one.

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Ya maybe someday BMWs will last long enough to go from the dealership to home =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: M4 Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On

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I have owned my car for approx 14 years. I recently calculated that over that 14 years, it has cost me well over $100k, with maintenance and fuel. Were I to outright buy a Tesla (rather than lease) here's what I would expect: At least 14 years of ownership. Almost zero maintenance. (Not

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Wow… that is really interesting … I looked at putting solar at my house before and the number of panels, the cost etc didn’t make it worthwhile. I was quoted $25k in panels at the time … think I may revisit though and get additional quotes ;) BTW – a friend of mine has a Tesla S and loves it…

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Tesla is still a toy though. Even with all its, any luxury car is a better value. When there are alternatives or the next gen battery hits the market, not just a slightly better version of what Tesla has but a carbon-iron or carbon anything, then a long range electric has real value. Out in

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I think the air is worth about 2-4 miles but your range is about right. We had 3 people and baseball equipment in the car. No hills though but it was 100 degrees when I left and 110 degrees driving home. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May

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What is a good reason to like a Tesla? I think it looks cool and it is a neat idea, but I don't see any use for it myself. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Steve D bigd...@gmail.com wrote: Can also

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None of those are really for me. I'm so sick of Mustangs I could vomit. I live in Mustang Country, Ohio. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Maybe I should

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Fill trunk and back seat with powerwalls. Drive forever. They're about to open a dealer/service center just down the road from the office. I'm not in the market but I look forward to checking stuff out. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Tesla S

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I think it looks cool and is a neat idea are pretty much the only reasons to like a Tesla which aren't bad reasons if you have a spare $100k sitting around. But if you're going to spend $100k on a car, there are so many others I'd rather have... On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Josh Luthman

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I agree with Chuck's math/costs. That's about where we were on our 6kW installation NET federal tax rebates. And now we get to tell folks to turn where the big solar array is. ;-) For completely off-grid, you need to go considerably larger on the array and then have some storage method. Tesla

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100k for a toy car? Go faster with a GTR. Look cooler with a Ferrari 360. Be more comfortable in a Jag XF (R?) Want better mileage on your electric car? Leaf or something of the sort. These are all cheaper options if you're after a toy car. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

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Tesla S is cool. Being able to drive 3-4 hours and not be stuck for 8 is better. Once they get more charging stations (at least in major cities, come on!) I can see it being available to way more people. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

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$1/watt cost of parts if you do it yourself. Take your annual kWh usage. You can normally download your records from the power company or they will send them to you. Say you use 18,000 kWh per year. Divide that number by 3 and that is a reasonable size of wattage to install. So in this

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My leaf range drops to about 60 miles in these conditions. I know because we almost didn’t make it home and I was down to 60mph and no airconditioning for the last 10-15 miles. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:30 AM To:

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What is a good reason to like any vehicle? It's all arbitrary value that each of us would find! Some people just like electric, but they want something more comfortable than Leaf? Hell, even if I had $100k laying around, I don't think I'd buy a car at all, maybe a nice boat. But what's the

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Hellcat is quite nice .. had one for a test drive last weekend but then it’s Dodge and I’m losing faith in Dodge… I have three Dodge vehicles right now, all bought brand new in the past 18 months for combined total of $140k or so. All three have had body work done already (minor stuff but

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I do a 62 mile round trip most weekends at 70-80 mph with AC in the summer. It always gets home with 5-10 miles to spare. No hills though. If running out of range, I slow down. You can double your existing range by driving 35 vs 65. Have never noticed killing the AC helping much. From:

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Hot weather is good for the batts. They store more energy and they can deliver more energy. I have been driving a leaf for years. Cold is the range enemy. The air conditioning is exceedingly efficient. Not much of a hit at all. Perhaps 300 watts. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Tuesday, May

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Maybe I should have said gimmick. But I can’t believe you left off 2015 Hellcat 2015 Shelby GT 2016 Ford GT – I’m working the lottery hard for this one. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

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Can also haul more crap with an F-150, so there's one more arbitrary reason to not like a Tesla. -Steve D On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 100k for a toy car? Go faster with a GTR. Look cooler with a Ferrari 360. Be more comfortable in a Jag

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Thanks …. I need to do some math and revisit this topic. At my house, we have the option to sell excess electricity back to the grid at seriously inflated prices but with limitations on how much you can sell. I’m more interested in having enough capacity to come completely off the grid and

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Looks fuel efficient to me. You can cut out all corners of every trip, just make one straight heading! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote:

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Not only corners, but you can also cut out pesky things like stop signs... and traffic laws in general! On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Looks fuel efficient to me. You can cut out all corners of every trip, just make one straight heading!

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Have you driven one? Until you do, you probably won’t understand. Plus a car that can have software features added simply from an over the air update is cool. I’d buy one if I was home enough to drive it and had the extra cash (kids are expensive!).

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With a skateboard and enough of them, you could. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent:

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ROFL .. that’s awesome! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS Since we are way off track and talking about vehicles and wasting money, I just

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Electric and steam engines develop 100% torque from zero RPM. ICE require some time (and RPM) to develop torque. Diesel engines are generally better in this regard, but the new ecoboost engines from Ford have some pretty impressive torque curves in spite of relatively small displacement. bp

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Yeah you can AC couple and if it is clean enough it will turn on. But then you need to do something with all the power... -Hal On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Most string inverters that are used on solar these days go to 600 VDC input with many now doing

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Most string inverters that are used on solar these days go to 600 VDC input with many now doing 1000 VDC inputs. So that gets the one side going. I wonder if you could use a UPS on the output side of a grid tie inverter to fake it into putting out current. -Original Message- From:

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All these cars are beyond my means, so it's all theory to me. I'm told the electric cars have full power instantly whereas an ICE needs to build up RPM's over a number of seconds. So the electric sports car should be a fun ride I would think. On 5/5/2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: +1

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I think that would be frowned upon in most locations. better to just use an MP5 while driving an MP4. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: With a skateboard and enough of them, you could. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

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Chicago is home to several engineering firms that design power generation projects around the world. When I was going to night school for an MBA, I used to ride the train with some of those guys. They told some great stories, some of them might have even been true. Supposedly one of them

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After the mp4 everything else is shit. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: Have you driven one? Until you do, you probably won’t understand. Plus a car that

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No one drives sub machine guns... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: What about the MP5? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

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What about the MP5? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 12:40:30

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I would want to run it DC, but it ain't bad. We're paying in the neighborhood of $1500 for about 5KWh with SLA batteries, so this would be a serious consideration. I'd like to know what the maximum draw-down is, and how many charge/discharge cycles, etc. etc. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

[AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS

I want to see more specs, but a 10kWh AC UPS for $3500.. that's a decent price. http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com

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On 5/1/15 10:38, Bill Prince wrote: I would want to run it DC, but it ain't bad. We're paying in the neighborhood of $1500 for about 5KWh with SLA batteries, so this would be a serious consideration. Actually it is DC, says inverter not included. ~Seth