date:20170323

Re: [AFMUG] tower contract

2017-03-23 Thread Jason Wilson

Sent Off List


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Does anyone have a tower contract I can give to a tower owner who wants to
> lease space.  I would be very appreciative.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist,
> half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it
> needs to be”
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Fw: OT Movie Review

2017-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown

OK, same movie.  Did not notice the sub title.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I saw the original colossus.  Probably a 1969 movie.  Double feature at the 
drive in with Andromeda Strain.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I'll look it up. Have you seen "Colossus: The Forbin Project"? That was very 
interesting, including the technology.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just watched a very bad but somehow fascinating movie.  

  I thought I was watching a documentary made in the 1980s about computer chess 
and a competition between different programmers.  It seemed made with B video 
tape.  Had period correct computers, nerds, clothes etc.  

  Called “Computer Chess”.  Worth watching the first 15 minutes just to see how 
they are portraying everyone.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium License for Ubiquiti Hardware

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

Ah, I thought it was to load the firmware on the client.  Good idea.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:57 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium License for Ubiquiti Hardware

The license goes on the AP, so yes - it's not tied to any specific ubnt radio.  
If the AP dies, you have to get Cambium to transfer the license as part of the 
rma process.

On Mar 23, 2017 10:53 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
If you buy a license for a Ubiquiti radio to talk to an ePMP and the radio 
dies, does the license go with it or can you transfer it to another Ubiquiti 
device?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; 
and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be”

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium License for Ubiquiti Hardware

2017-03-23 Thread Mathew Howard

The license goes on the AP, so yes - it's not tied to any specific ubnt
radio.  If the AP dies, you have to get Cambium to transfer the license as
part of the rma process.

On Mar 23, 2017 10:53 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> If you buy a license for a Ubiquiti radio to talk to an ePMP and the radio
> dies, does the license go with it or can you transfer it to another
> Ubiquiti device?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist,
> half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it
> needs to be”
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Do Cambium ePMP 802.11ac radios have a compatibility mode?

2017-03-23 Thread Mathew Howard

Correct, but Cambium has said they will be backwards compatible when they
do release ac radios.

On Mar 23, 2017 11:15 PM, "Colin Stanners"  wrote:

> There is no .AC ePMP yet, all released radios are based on the N standard
> AFAIK.
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> “An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist,
>> half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it
>> needs to be”
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

Colussus was probably where they got the idea for Skynet.  There is a good book 
call “When Harley was One” that explores the same idea from a different and 
more passive angle.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I saw the original colossus.  Probably a 1969 movie.  Double feature at the 
drive in with Andromeda Strain.

From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I'll look it up. Have you seen "Colossus: The Forbin Project"? That was very 
interesting, including the technology.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Just watched a very bad but somehow fascinating movie.

I thought I was watching a documentary made in the 1980s about computer chess 
and a competition between different programmers.  It seemed made with B video 
tape.  Had period correct computers, nerds, clothes etc.

Called “Computer Chess”.  Worth watching the first 15 minutes just to see how 
they are portraying everyone.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

2017-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown

I saw the original colossus.  Probably a 1969 movie.  Double feature at the 
drive in with Andromeda Strain.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I'll look it up. Have you seen "Colossus: The Forbin Project"? That was very 
interesting, including the technology.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Just watched a very bad but somehow fascinating movie.  

  I thought I was watching a documentary made in the 1980s about computer chess 
and a competition between different programmers.  It seemed made with B video 
tape.  Had period correct computers, nerds, clothes etc.  

  Called “Computer Chess”.  Worth watching the first 15 minutes just to see how 
they are portraying everyone.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

2017-03-23 Thread Colin Stanners

I'll look it up. Have you seen "Colossus: The Forbin Project"? That was
very interesting, including the technology.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Just watched a very bad but somehow fascinating movie.
>
> I thought I was watching a documentary made in the 1980s about computer
> chess and a competition between different programmers.  It seemed made with
> B video tape.  Had period correct computers, nerds, clothes etc.
>
> Called “Computer Chess”.  Worth watching the first 15 minutes just to see
> how they are portraying everyone.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Do Cambium ePMP 802.11ac radios have a compatibility mode?

2017-03-23 Thread Colin Stanners

There is no .AC ePMP yet, all released radios are based on the N standard
AFAIK.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist,
> half-empty; and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it
> needs to be”
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Do Cambium ePMP 802.11ac radios have a compatibility mode?

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway



Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; 
and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be"

[AFMUG] Cambium License for Ubiquiti Hardware

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

If you buy a license for a Ubiquiti radio to talk to an ePMP and the radio 
dies, does the license go with it or can you transfer it to another Ubiquiti 
device?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; 
and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be"

[AFMUG] tower contract

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

Does anyone have a tower contract I can give to a tower owner who wants to 
lease space.  I would be very appreciative.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"An optimist will tell you the glass is half-full; the pessimist, half-empty; 
and the engineer will tell you the glass is twice the size it needs to be"

[AFMUG] OT Movie Review

2017-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown

Just watched a very bad but somehow fascinating movie.  

I thought I was watching a documentary made in the 1980s about computer chess 
and a competition between different programmers.  It seemed made with B video 
tape.  Had period correct computers, nerds, clothes etc.  

Called “Computer Chess”.  Worth watching the first 15 minutes just to see how 
they are portraying everyone.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: That One Guy

2017-03-23 Thread George Skorup


Pretty sure he's in a self-imposed time-out.

Or...



On 3/23/2017 9:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, not here anyhow.  I hope he is just lurking.
-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Thursday, March 23, 
2017 8:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: That One Guy

I just realized I have seen anything from Steve in a while.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: That One Guy

2017-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown

Yeah, not here anyhow.  I hope he is just lurking.  

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:25 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: That One Guy 


I just realized I have seen anything from Steve in a while.

[AFMUG] OT: That One Guy

2017-03-23 Thread Jay Weekley


I just realized I have seen anything from Steve in a while.

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread Jason McKemie

It said out of stock this afternoon.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> I bought one of each a few hours ago, would only let me buy one ONT.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> 
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> What are you using for the ONTs? The store is sold out.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Gino Villarini > > wrote:
>>
>>> Just bought a OLT on the store, does it comes with the gpon sfps?
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck Hogg <
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 But when is this actually going to be available?


 On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:

> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
>
> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
>
> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
> FastEthernet port for management
> Console serial port for management
>
> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our
> GPON, TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>
> Best -
>
> Parker Reed
> Director of Sales
> ZTE USA
>
>
>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread Erich Kaiser

I bought one of each a few hours ago, would only let me buy one ONT.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What are you using for the ONTs? The store is sold out.
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> Just bought a OLT on the store, does it comes with the gpon sfps?
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck Hogg <
>> ch...@shelbybb.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But when is this actually going to be available?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:
>>>
 How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?

 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal

 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
 Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
 Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
 Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
 Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
 Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
 FastEthernet port for management
 Console serial port for management

 On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:

 If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our
 GPON, TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.

 Best -

 Parker Reed
 Director of Sales
 ZTE USA



>>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread Jason McKemie

What are you using for the ONTs? The store is sold out.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Just bought a OLT on the store, does it comes with the gpon sfps?
>
> From: Af  > on behalf of
> Chuck Hogg  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> But when is this actually going to be available?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John > > wrote:
>>
>>> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
>>>
>>> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
>>>
>>> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
>>> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
>>> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
>>> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
>>> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
>>> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
>>> FastEthernet port for management
>>> Console serial port for management
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
>>>
>>> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON,
>>> TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>>>
>>> Best -
>>>
>>> Parker Reed
>>> Director of Sales
>>> ZTE USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-23 Thread Chuck McCown

Sometimes the missile will hammer through were a HDD will just grind away.  
Rocks are bad no matter where you find them.  That is why Vermeer has a monster 
rock saw for trenching through it.  

From: Gerard Dupont III 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

Basketball sized limestone rocks either deflect the bit, same as a pneumatic 
mole/missile, or the bit will crack the rock and still possibly deflect. It's 
not that uncommon to bore half way through and have to pull out and move over 
12" bc of a rock. It's easier/quicker to move than it is to try to go through a 
stubborn rock.  

We had one yesterday where we hit a limestone shelf and the bit got bound up 
and the torque from the machine snapped a drill rod in half. I don't know what 
a shale shelf will do. We haven't run into that yet.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  What happens when the topsoil contains rocks the size of basketballs?  

  What happens if it hits a shelf of shale?

  They never seem to have that in the demonstration videos.  Google fails to 
answer these questions for me.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Joe" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 3/22/2017 10:54:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

We did extensive testing…  

Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a chute 
for ¾” pipe. 

It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for the 
angle when going shallow.

We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our 
ground conditions

Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder ground.

We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated. 

The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions

With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… even a couple inches 
of frozen ground

We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum grip 
(Chinese finger trap)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM

video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very well

A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).  

Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant speed

Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.

We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under 
cement driveways.

This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM

make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing 
through fiber or a smaller conduit where needed

For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a 
bullet with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”

The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the farmers 
when we are “rolling black coal”

We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we attach 
a carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the added work for the 
water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be practical.  Another one we 
looked at was sending a stream of water down the plow itself, but then we need 
the water source moving… and it used a lot of water to be effective.  Think of 
how a big tree mover sends the big knifes into the ground easier with 
water…that was the model we compared it to.  Very functional… just impractical 
in practice.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know 
how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer 
drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.  

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?

http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 Rx level SNMP?

2017-03-23 Thread Mike Hammett

LOL 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:46:25 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] PTP450 Rx level SNMP? 


Gino forgot to send this e-mail today - maybe he's sick? - so I'm doing it for 
him.

Re: [AFMUG] Millenium

2017-03-23 Thread Mike Hammett

Sent offlist. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Erich Kaiser"  
To: af@afmug.com, "Principal WISPA Member List"  
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:12:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Millenium 


Anyone have a good sales contact over there, looking for fiber parts. 
















Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower 
er...@northcentraltower.com 
Office: 630-621-4804 
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread Gino Villarini

Just bought a OLT on the store, does it comes with the gpon sfps?

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
Hogg >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...

Regards,
Chuck




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie 
> 
wrote:
But when is this actually going to be available?


On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John 
> wrote:

How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?

8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal

8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
FastEthernet port for management
Console serial port for management

On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, TDD 
LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.

Best -

Parker Reed
Director of Sales
ZTE USA

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-23 Thread Robert


Just needs the special TriNitroTolulene attachment...

On 3/23/17 11:00 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

What about granite?

Never mind. I think I already know.

bp


On 3/23/2017 1:41 PM, Gerard Dupont III wrote:

Basketball sized limestone rocks either deflect the bit, same as a
pneumatic mole/missile, or the bit will crack the rock and still
possibly deflect. It's not that uncommon to bore half way through and
have to pull out and move over 12" bc of a rock. It's easier/quicker
to move than it is to try to go through a stubborn rock.

We had one yesterday where we hit a limestone shelf and the bit got
bound up and the torque from the machine snapped a drill rod in half.
I don't know what a shale shelf will do. We haven't run into that yet.



On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

What happens when the topsoil contains rocks the size of
basketballs?

What happens if it hits a shelf of shale?

They never seem to have that in the demonstration videos.  Google
fails to answer these questions for me.


-- Original Message --
From: "Joe" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:54:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow


We did extensive testing…



Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good
with a chute for ¾” pipe.

It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no
setting for the angle when going shallow.

We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical
for our ground conditions

Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder
ground.



*We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and
articulated. *

The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions

With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… /_even a
couple inches of frozen ground_/

We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or
kellum grip (Chinese finger trap)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM


video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this
works very well

A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).

Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and
constant speed

Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.



We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring
under cement driveways.

This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM


make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before
pushing through fiber or a smaller conduit where needed



For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and
use a bullet with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”

The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the
farmers when we are “rolling black coal”



We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where
we attach a carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point…
the added work for the water/equipment was just a little bit too
much to be practical.  Another one we looked at was sending a
stream of water down the plow itself, but then we need the water
source moving… and it used a lot of water to be effective.  Think
of how a big tree mover sends the big knifes into the ground
easier with water…that was the model we compared it to.  Very
functional… just impractical in practice.





*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow



I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The
options, as I see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX,
or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be using this for customer drops as
well as some main-runs.



I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I
don't know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also
using it for customer drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX
also seems like it could be useful.



Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?



Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?

http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg



Thanks.



-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Poll Canopy SM with SNMP for settings

2017-03-23 Thread Matt

The SM's are password protected.  Is there a way to specify the
username and password in the URL as well?


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> Any SM with firmware newer than 13.1 (or thereabouts) has a file at
> http:///canopy_config.cgi?mac_esn= which is
> the full configuration in XML.
>
> You could collect the default configuration from a new SM in one XML, and
> just do a diff with one collected from an active SM.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/23/2017 2:58 PM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know how to poll a Canopy SM with SNMP and retrieve all
>> the settings that are not default or just all settings and I can later
>> grep for ones I want?  Or simply pull the config file with SNMP?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Poll Canopy SM with SNMP for settings

2017-03-23 Thread Bill Prince

Any SM with firmware newer than 13.1 (or thereabouts) has a file at 
http:///canopy_config.cgi?mac_esn= which 
is the full configuration in XML.


You could collect the default configuration from a new SM in one XML, 
and just do a diff with one collected from an active SM.



bp


On 3/23/2017 2:58 PM, Matt wrote:

Does anyone know how to poll a Canopy SM with SNMP and retrieve all
the settings that are not default or just all settings and I can later
grep for ones I want?  Or simply pull the config file with SNMP?

Re: [AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases

2017-03-23 Thread Lewis Bergman

The best you are likely to get is a single escalation after term like 7 to
10 percent after a five year term.

It works a lot better for you than annual escalation.  I usually won't do
those but maybe you can swing it.

I would argue it doesn't matter if your income increases or not. If the
towner owner's expenses increase or they just want to keep pace with
inflation them that is their model. I would argue that towers are alot like
annuities. The people that own them look for a consistent income that
slightly outpaces inflation.

If you can't figure out how to do the same in the WISP business maybe that
is an issue to address.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 5:08 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I've never had to deal with it.  I guess I would argue that the ARPU of
> internet access does not increase at 3% per year.  It's historically been
> stationary or even slightly downward.  If you're not going to make 3% more
> money every year, then there's no reason you could afford to pay 3% more in
> rent.
>
> Whether or not it's totally true, I could make a defensible argument to
> that effect.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Erich Kaiser" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/23/2017 4:10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases
>
> 3% is standard, just put a clause in to re-negotiate after x number of
> years.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>
>
> I know the tower companies like to sneak a pretty healthy escalator in
> there, based on a fixed percentage… 3%,4% etc.
>
>
>
> Has anybody been successful getting them to change that, either lower to
> like 2% or go off something more friendly like the Consumer Price Index,
> etc. ?
>
>
>
> You don’t think it’s much, but 10 years later (we’ve had some towers now
> for 15 years) it can almost double the tower rent.
>
>
>
> Curious to see what others have been able to negotiate.
>
>
>
> ??
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Poll Canopy SM with SNMP for settings

2017-03-23 Thread Adam Moffett

Yeah, just get every object in the MIB.
Or were you hoping for a shortcut?

-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/23/2017 5:58:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Poll Canopy SM with SNMP for settings

Does anyone know how to poll a Canopy SM with SNMP and retrieve all
the settings that are not default or just all settings and I can later
grep for ones I want?  Or simply pull the config file with SNMP?

Re: [AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases

2017-03-23 Thread Adam Moffett

I've never had to deal with it.  I guess I would argue that the ARPU of 
internet access does not increase at 3% per year.  It's historically 
been stationary or even slightly downward.  If you're not going to make 
3% more money every year, then there's no reason you could afford to pay 
3% more in rent.


Whether or not it's totally true, I could make a defensible argument to 
that effect.



-- Original Message --
From: "Erich Kaiser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/23/2017 4:10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases

3% is standard, just put a clause in to re-negotiate after x number of 
years.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:



I know the tower companies like to sneak a pretty healthy escalator in 
there, based on a fixed percentage… 3%,4% etc.




Has anybody been successful getting them to change that, either lower 
to like 2% or go off something more friendly like the Consumer Price 
Index, etc. ?




You don’t think it’s much, but 10 years later (we’ve had some towers 
now for 15 years) it can almost double the tower rent.




Curious to see what others have been able to negotiate.



??



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] Poll Canopy SM with SNMP for settings

2017-03-23 Thread Matt

Does anyone know how to poll a Canopy SM with SNMP and retrieve all
the settings that are not default or just all settings and I can later
grep for ones I want?  Or simply pull the config file with SNMP?

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread Jon Langeler

Sounds like the perfect path!

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> The currently shipping recommendation if you want to use all packetflux gear:
> 
> PowerInjector Plus Sync, in combination with a Syncbox Junior Aux Port (seems 
> like you've already figured it out).
> 
> This also applies to the cards for the almost shipping rackinjector.
> 
> In a couple months there will also be the option of a card for the 
> rackinjector which does the new style sync for the 450m.  Once this ships, we 
> will likely look at how to do this in a form factor which is better suited 
> for the smaller enclosures.
> 
> -forrest
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:18 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> Yea only one.  450M spec sheet says 80 Watts!!!  Hence this 100 watt POE.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I need to see if any of the Packetflux power injectors will support 2 amps 
>> per channel.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:11 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync
>>  
>> 
>> That would certainly power ONE 450M. Probably not a lot more.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 3/23/2017 12:08 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> 
>> OK SyncBox Junior works for me.
>> 
>> ï¿½
>> 
>> Would this power supply be OK?
>> 
>> ï¿½
>> 
>> http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g
>> 
>> ï¿½
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> ï¿½
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync
>> 
>> ï¿½
>> 
>> The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that is. 
>> AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, I don't 
>> remember.
>> 
>> That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and receiving 
>> traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with 
>> that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a 
>> 70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support 
>> Cambium Sync.
>> 
>> Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS. 
>> Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power the 
>> radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A 
>> PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. Or 
>> hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 4-pair 
>> powering + GigE and you should be fine.
>> 
>> On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> 
>> What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?
>> 
>> ï¿½
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

The currently shipping recommendation if you want to use all packetflux
gear:

PowerInjector Plus Sync, in combination with a Syncbox Junior Aux Port
(seems like you've already figured it out).

This also applies to the cards for the almost shipping rackinjector.

In a couple months there will also be the option of a card for the
rackinjector which does the new style sync for the 450m.  Once this ships,
we will likely look at how to do this in a form factor which is better
suited for the smaller enclosures.

-forrest

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:18 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Yea only one.  450M spec sheet says 80 Watts!!!  Hence this 100 watt POE.
>
>
>
> I need to see if any of the Packetflux power injectors will support 2 amps
> per channel.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:11 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync
>
>
>
> That would certainly power ONE 450M. Probably not a lot more.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/23/2017 12:08 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> OK SyncBox Junior works for me.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Would this power supply be OK?
>
> ï¿½
>
> http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g
>
> ï¿½
>
> Adam
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync
>
> ï¿½
>
> The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that is.
> AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, I
> don't remember.
>
> That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and receiving
> traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with
> that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a
> 70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support
> Cambium Sync.
>
> Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS.
> Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power
> the radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A
> PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. Or
> hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 4-pair
> powering + GigE and you should be fine.
>
> On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread David Kunat

What are you supposed to use for the slots? Does UBNT have a GPON stick, or 
should any standards compatible one work?

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 10:54 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> 
> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. 
> 
> Jared
>  
>  
> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
> Interesting, are these open standards? Looks like they're sold out of the ONT.
> 
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Chuck Hogg 
>  wrote:
> Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...
>  
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck 
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:But when is this actually going to 
> be available?
> 
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:
> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
> 
> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
> FastEthernet port for management
> Console serial port for management
>  
> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
> 
> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, TDD 
> LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>  
> Best -
>  
> Parker Reed
> Director of Sales
> ZTE USA

Re: [AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases

2017-03-23 Thread Josh Luthman

I thought it was always 3% to adjust with GDP or inflation or whatever BS


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> 3% is standard, just put a clause in to re-negotiate after x number of
> years.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804>
> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I know the tower companies like to sneak a pretty healthy escalator in
>> there, based on a fixed percentage… 3%,4% etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anybody been successful getting them to change that, either lower to
>> like 2% or go off something more friendly like the Consumer Price Index,
>> etc. ?
>>
>>
>>
>> You don’t think it’s much, but 10 years later (we’ve had some towers now
>> for 15 years) it can almost double the tower rent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Curious to see what others have been able to negotiate.
>>
>>
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-23 Thread Bill Prince


What about granite?

Never mind. I think I already know.

bp


On 3/23/2017 1:41 PM, Gerard Dupont III wrote:
Basketball sized limestone rocks either deflect the bit, same as a 
pneumatic mole/missile, or the bit will crack the rock and still 
possibly deflect. It's not that uncommon to bore half way through and 
have to pull out and move over 12" bc of a rock. It's easier/quicker 
to move than it is to try to go through a stubborn rock.


We had one yesterday where we hit a limestone shelf and the bit got 
bound up and the torque from the machine snapped a drill rod in half. 
I don't know what a shale shelf will do. We haven't run into that yet.




On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


What happens when the topsoil contains rocks the size of basketballs?

What happens if it hits a shelf of shale?

They never seem to have that in the demonstration videos.  Google
fails to answer these questions for me.


-- Original Message --
From: "Joe" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:54:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow


We did extensive testing…

Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good
with a chute for ¾” pipe.

It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no
setting for the angle when going shallow.

We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical
for our ground conditions

Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder
ground.

*We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and
articulated. *

The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions

With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… /_even a
couple inches of frozen ground_/

We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or
kellum grip (Chinese finger trap)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM


video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this
works very well

A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).

Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and
constant speed

Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.

We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring
under cement driveways.

This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM


make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before
pushing through fiber or a smaller conduit where needed

For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and
use a bullet with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”

The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the
farmers when we are “rolling black coal”

We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where
we attach a carrot. The water helps for sure, but at some point…
the added work for the water/equipment was just a little bit too
much to be practical.  Another one we looked at was sending a
stream of water down the plow itself, but then we need the water
source moving… and it used a lot of water to be effective.  Think
of how a big tree mover sends the big knifes into the ground
easier with water…that was the model we compared it to.  Very
functional… just impractical in practice.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The
options, as I see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX,
or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be using this for customer drops as
well as some main-runs.

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I
don't know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also
using it for customer drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX
also seems like it could be useful.

Anyone have experience with these machines? Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?

http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-23 Thread Gerard Dupont III

Basketball sized limestone rocks either deflect the bit, same as a
pneumatic mole/missile, or the bit will crack the rock and still possibly
deflect. It's not that uncommon to bore half way through and have to pull
out and move over 12" bc of a rock. It's easier/quicker to move than it is
to try to go through a stubborn rock.

We had one yesterday where we hit a limestone shelf and the bit got bound
up and the torque from the machine snapped a drill rod in half. I don't
know what a shale shelf will do. We haven't run into that yet.



On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> What happens when the topsoil contains rocks the size of basketballs?
>
> What happens if it hits a shelf of shale?
>
> They never seem to have that in the demonstration videos.  Google fails to
> answer these questions for me.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Joe" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:54:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We did extensive testing…
>
>
>
> Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a chute
> for ¾” pipe.
>
> It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for the
> angle when going shallow.
>
> We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our
> ground conditions
>
> Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder ground.
>
>
>
> *We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated. *
>
> The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions
>
> With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… *even a couple
> inches of frozen ground*
>
> We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum grip
> (Chinese finger trap)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM
>
> video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very
> well
>
> A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).
>
> Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant speed
>
> Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.
>
>
>
> We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under
> cement driveways.
>
> This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM
>
> make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing
> through fiber or a smaller conduit where needed
>
>
>
> For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a
> bullet with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”
>
> The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the farmers
> when we are “rolling black coal”
>
>
>
> We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we
> attach a carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the added
> work for the water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be
> practical.  Another one we looked at was sending a stream of water down the
> plow itself, but then we need the water source moving… and it used a lot of
> water to be effective.  Think of how a big tree mover sends the big knifes
> into the ground easier with water…that was the model we compared it to.
> Very functional… just impractical in practice.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
>
> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
>
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Mimosa With MikroTik hEX PoE?

2017-03-23 Thread Christopher Gray

Is anyone using an A5 and/or B5-Lite with the MikroTik RB960PGS hEX PoE?

I'm debating whether to mix a WS-6-Mini with a RB750Gr3 to do a small
routed Mimosa site, or just use the RB960PGS.

Thank you - Chris

[AFMUG] Millenium

2017-03-23 Thread Erich Kaiser

Anyone have a good sales contact over there, looking for fiber parts.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases

2017-03-23 Thread Erich Kaiser

3% is standard, just put a clause in to re-negotiate after x number of
years.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

>
>
> I know the tower companies like to sneak a pretty healthy escalator in
> there, based on a fixed percentage… 3%,4% etc.
>
>
>
> Has anybody been successful getting them to change that, either lower to
> like 2% or go off something more friendly like the Consumer Price Index,
> etc. ?
>
>
>
> You don’t think it’s much, but 10 years later (we’ve had some towers now
> for 15 years) it can almost double the tower rent.
>
>
>
> Curious to see what others have been able to negotiate.
>
>
>
> ??
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread George Skorup

The PowerInjector+Sync, the regular GigE 4 & 8 port injector as well as 
the single port GigE injector will all do 2A using 4-pair powering. 2 
pairs +, 2 pairs -, 1A per pair = 2A forward, 2A return.


On 3/23/2017 2:18 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Yea only one.  450M spec sheet says 80 Watts!!!  Hence this 100 watt POE.

I need to see if any of the Packetflux power injectors will support 2 
amps per channel.


Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

That would certainly power ONE 450M. Probably not a lot more.

bp


On 3/23/2017 12:08 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

OK SyncBox Junior works for me.

ï¿½

Would this power supply be OK?

ï¿½

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g

ï¿½

Adam

ï¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

ï¿½

The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell
that is. AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might
support it, I don't remember.

That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and
receiving traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux
PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with that is, you're interrupting
power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a 70W load (the 450m).
Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support Cambium Sync.

Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a
UGPS. Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in
and go. Power the radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A
supply. A PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE
injector boards. Or hell, even his single-port GigE injector.
Anything that support 4-pair powering + GigE and you should be fine.

On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread SmarterBroadband

Looks like the POWERINJECTOR PLUS SYNC - GIGABIT VERSION does 2 amps.

So that and a large Meanwell PSU would be one way to power 4 450M.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

 

Yea only one.  450M spec sheet says 80 Watts!!!  Hence this 100 watt POE.

 

I need to see if any of the Packetflux power injectors will support 2 amps
per channel.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

 

That would certainly power ONE 450M. Probably not a lot more.

 

bp

 

On 3/23/2017 12:08 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

OK SyncBox Junior works for me.

ï¿½

Would this power supply be OK?

ï¿½

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g

ï¿½

Adam

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

ï¿½

The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that is.
AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, I don't
remember.

That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and receiving
traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with
that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a
70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support
Cambium Sync.

Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS.
Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power the
radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A
PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. Or
hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 4-pair
powering + GigE and you should be fine.

On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread PE R

There is some vendor interoperability within the GPON market, which ZTE does 
support based on customer requirements.  

  From: "fiber...@mail.com" 
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 1:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. 

Jared

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Interesting, are these open standards? Looks like they're sold out of the ONT.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Chuck Hogg 
 wrote:
Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...

Regards,
Chuck 
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:But when is this actually going to be 
available?

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:
How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal

8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
FastEthernet port for management
Console serial port for management

On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:

If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, TDD 
LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.

Best -

Parker Reed
Director of Sales
ZTE USA

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread SmarterBroadband

Yea only one.  450M spec sheet says 80 Watts!!!  Hence this 100 watt POE.

 

I need to see if any of the Packetflux power injectors will support 2 amps
per channel.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

 

That would certainly power ONE 450M. Probably not a lot more.

 

bp

 

On 3/23/2017 12:08 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

OK SyncBox Junior works for me.

ï¿½

Would this power supply be OK?

ï¿½

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g

ï¿½

Adam

ï¿½

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

ï¿½

The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that is.
AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, I don't
remember.

That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and receiving
traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with
that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a
70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support
Cambium Sync.

Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS.
Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power the
radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A
PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. Or
hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 4-pair
powering + GigE and you should be fine.

On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread Bill Prince


That would certainly power ONE 450M. Probably not a lot more.


bp


On 3/23/2017 12:08 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


OK SyncBox Junior works for me.

Would this power supply be OK?

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that 
is. AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support 
it, I don't remember.


That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and 
receiving traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux 
PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with that is, you're interrupting power 
(the sync pulse) while trying to run a 70W load (the 450m). Forrest 
said he's working on new stuff to support Cambium Sync.


Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS. 
Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. 
Power the radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A 
PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector 
boards. Or hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that 
support 4-pair powering + GigE and you should be fine.


On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread SmarterBroadband

OK SyncBox Junior works for me.

 

Would this power supply be OK?

 

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/ac-passive-gigabit/482-tp-poe-hp-56g

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

 

The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that is.
AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, I don't
remember.

That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and receiving
traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with
that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a
70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support
Cambium Sync.

Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS.
Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power the
radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A
PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. Or
hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 4-pair
powering + GigE and you should be fine.

On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread fiberrun

No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. 

Jared

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Interesting, are these open standards? Looks like they're sold out of the ONT.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Chuck Hogg 
 wrote:
Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...

Regards,
Chuck 
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:But when is this actually going to be 
available?

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:
How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal

8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
FastEthernet port for management
Console serial port for management

On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:

If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, TDD 
LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.

Best -

Parker Reed
Director of Sales
ZTE USA

[AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases

2017-03-23 Thread Paul McCall


I know the tower companies like to sneak a pretty healthy escalator in there, 
based on a fixed percentage... 3%,4% etc.

Has anybody been successful getting them to change that, either lower to like 
2% or go off something more friendly like the Consumer Price Index, etc. ?

You don't think it's much, but 10 years later (we've had some towers now for 15 
years) it can almost double the tower rent.

Curious to see what others have been able to negotiate.

??

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread Darren Shea

Were using the PacketFlux SyncBox Junior Aux Port and the Cambium official
AC+DC Enhanced Power Injector. Cant remotely power-cycle, but it is
pretty stable (other than the random SM session drops).

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

 

The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that is.
AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, I don't
remember.

That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and receiving
traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. Problem with
that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while trying to run a
70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new stuff to support
Cambium Sync.

Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS.
Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power the
radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A
PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. Or
hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 4-pair
powering + GigE and you should be fine.

On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?

[AFMUG] PTP450 Rx level SNMP?

2017-03-23 Thread Colin Stanners

Gino forgot to send this e-mail today - maybe he's sick? - so I'm doing it
for him.

Re: [AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread George Skorup

The 450m uses "Cambium Sync" and I still don't know what the hell that 
is. AFAIK, that's only the CMM5 so far. Last Mile Gear might support it, 
I don't remember.


That said, I know Sean has said that his 450m's are powered and 
receiving traditional Canopy Sync from a PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync. 
Problem with that is, you're interrupting power (the sync pulse) while 
trying to run a 70W load (the 450m). Forrest said he's working on new 
stuff to support Cambium Sync.


Probably the best option right now is a SyncBox Junior Aux. Or a UGPS. 
Enable UGPS power on the Aux port in the radio, plug it in and go. Power 
the radio with whatever. GigE-POE-APC and a 56VDC/2A supply. A 
PowerInjector+Sync. Or Forrest's 4-port or 8-port GigE injector boards. 
Or hell, even his single-port GigE injector. Anything that support 
4-pair powering + GigE and you should be fine.


On 3/23/2017 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


What POEï¿½s and Sync are people using with 450M?

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread Jason McKemie

Interesting, are these open standards? Looks like they're sold out of the
ONT.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> But when is this actually going to be available?
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John > > wrote:
>>
>>> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
>>>
>>> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
>>>
>>> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
>>> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
>>> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
>>> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
>>> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
>>> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
>>> FastEthernet port for management
>>> Console serial port for management
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
>>>
>>> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON,
>>> TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>>>
>>> Best -
>>>
>>> Parker Reed
>>> Director of Sales
>>> ZTE USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-23 Thread Jason McKemie

Both have that option? Any advantage to either one? The 410 seems more
versatile.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> My guys use the DW 410 and Case Maxi Sneaker.  Almost daily they use the
> Roto Bore to go under driveways and sidewalks and small roads.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>
>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>> useful.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>
>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] 450M power and Sync

2017-03-23 Thread SmarterBroadband

What POE's and Sync are people using with 450M?

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

Whoops, this is what happens when you have 2 hours of sleep.  Please ignore 
this.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Yea, the jackasses at APS are now saying 10am. I was on the phone with them at 
4am and they flat told me the techs were onsite and ETA was 6:40.  I went to 
bed.  We call them at 7am to get an update and they said nobody was there and 
they are dispatching now.  ETA is 10am.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

We have two possible solutions we are persuing right now.

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

 Original message 
From: Gino Villarini >
Date: 3/23/2017 6:41 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
The only way I see it happening is with SDN

From: Af > on behalf of 
Stephen Patrick 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 9:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Writing from the perspective of a 10Gbps MMW wireless vendor - this is a very 
interesting topic.
(our 10Gbps links fully available and shipping: including in 2+0 configuration 
which gives 20Gbps on the same antenna using H+V polarisations. Some customers 
are planning on stacking these again to give 40Gbps FDX capacity between sites).

Ideally, there would be some integration with the switch fabric for bonding.
Simplest scenario is if one link goes up/down in one or both directions; but 
more subtle is if/when ACM activates, two paths may operate at different speed 
(rain fade on H,V is not identical).
Some fairly intelligent IP fabric is required to do "Radio Link Aggregation" 
with variable rate wireless links.
I suspect that mobile operators/vendors will solve this first; solutions for 
corporates/ISPs will come along behind.

Best regards
Stephen

www.cablefree.net

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:image001.png@01D2A3B2.D65D7180]
On 23 March 2017 at 07:21, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
It’s been a challenge.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

The bonding of 10G is the easy part. The management of data flows with regards 
to throughput capabilities on each link is the part that I'm surprised is 
taking so long to mature.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:00:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
Not a lot of people are trying to bond 10Gbps wireless circuits.  Even the 
products themselves are fairly new or still in development.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-23 Thread Chuck Hogg

My guys use the DW 410 and Case Maxi Sneaker.  Almost daily they use the
Roto Bore to go under driveways and sidewalks and small roads.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Jason
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

2017-03-23 Thread Chuck Hogg

Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> But when is this actually going to be available?
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
>>
>> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
>>
>> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
>> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
>> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
>> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
>> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
>> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
>> FastEthernet port for management
>> Console serial port for management
>>
>> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
>>
>> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON,
>> TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>>
>> Best -
>>
>> Parker Reed
>> Director of Sales
>> ZTE USA
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

Yea, the jackasses at APS are now saying 10am. I was on the phone with them at 
4am and they flat told me the techs were onsite and ETA was 6:40.  I went to 
bed.  We call them at 7am to get an update and they said nobody was there and 
they are dispatching now.  ETA is 10am.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

We have two possible solutions we are persuing right now.

Rory Conaway
Triad Wireless

 Original message 
From: Gino Villarini >
Date: 3/23/2017 6:41 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
The only way I see it happening is with SDN

From: Af > on behalf of 
Stephen Patrick 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 9:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Writing from the perspective of a 10Gbps MMW wireless vendor - this is a very 
interesting topic.
(our 10Gbps links fully available and shipping: including in 2+0 configuration 
which gives 20Gbps on the same antenna using H+V polarisations. Some customers 
are planning on stacking these again to give 40Gbps FDX capacity between sites).

Ideally, there would be some integration with the switch fabric for bonding.
Simplest scenario is if one link goes up/down in one or both directions; but 
more subtle is if/when ACM activates, two paths may operate at different speed 
(rain fade on H,V is not identical).
Some fairly intelligent IP fabric is required to do "Radio Link Aggregation" 
with variable rate wireless links.
I suspect that mobile operators/vendors will solve this first; solutions for 
corporates/ISPs will come along behind.

Best regards
Stephen

www.cablefree.net

Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On 23 March 2017 at 07:21, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
It’s been a challenge.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

The bonding of 10G is the easy part. The management of data flows with regards 
to throughput capabilities on each link is the part that I'm surprised is 
taking so long to mature.

-
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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:00:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
Not a lot of people are trying to bond 10Gbps wireless circuits.  Even the 
products themselves are fairly new or still in development.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

[AFMUG] Oldie but Goodie

2017-03-23 Thread Gino Villarini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

2017-03-23 Thread Adam Moffett


What happens when the topsoil contains rocks the size of basketballs?

What happens if it hits a shelf of shale?

They never seem to have that in the demonstration videos.  Google fails 
to answer these questions for me.



-- Original Message --
From: "Joe" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:54:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow


We did extensive testing…



Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a 
chute for ¾” pipe.


It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for 
the angle when going shallow.


We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our 
ground conditions


Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder 
ground.




We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated.

The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions

With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… even a couple 
inches of frozen ground


We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum 
grip (Chinese finger trap)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM

video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very 
well


A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).

Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant 
speed


Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.



We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under 
cement driveways.


This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM

make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing 
through fiber or a smaller conduit where needed




For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a 
bullet with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”


The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the 
farmers when we are “rolling black coal”




We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we 
attach a carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the 
added work for the water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be 
practical.  Another one we looked at was sending a stream of water down 
the plow itself, but then we need the water source moving… and it used 
a lot of water to be effective.  Think of how a big tree mover sends 
the big knifes into the ground easier with water…that was the model we 
compared it to.  Very functional… just impractical in practice.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow



I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I 
see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi 
Sneaker.  I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some 
main-runs.




I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't 
know how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for 
customer drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it 
could be useful.




Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?



Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?

http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg



Thanks.



-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

2017-03-23 Thread Adam Moffett

Makes sense actually.

-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/22/2017 10:42:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Question

Hum… thinking about it more.   The phone drop would have originally 
been two parallel conductors with insulation.  They were not originally 
twisted pairs in the phone network and placing the two wires flat next 
to each other uses the least insulation material.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3134845A/en?q=telephone=drop=cable=19700101=3

Mark

On Mar 22, 2017, at 10:19 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

It copies the standard for telephone drop cables and works with the 
same drop wire clamps that have been used for years.  As to why 
telephone drop cable is flat probably requires research into old telco 
practices.   Given the amount of research Bell Labs did over the years 
I’m sure there is a very good reason.

Mark

On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Colin Stanners  
wrote:

The standard is one buffer tube at the middle, with one strength 
member on each side. Maybe the additional strength members of a 
rounded cable increases cost but doesn't help strength? Or as flat 
cable takes up less space on the reel?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Why are fiber drop cables flat?

[AFMUG] Two more tech companies got swindled by a Phishing scam

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/21/15014614/doj-lithuanian-scammer-email-phishing-scam-tech-companies

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count." - Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

2017-03-23 Thread Rory Conaway

It’s been a challenge.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

The bonding of 10G is the easy part. The management of data flows with regards 
to throughput capabilities on each link is the part that I'm surprised is 
taking so long to mature.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:00:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
Not a lot of people are trying to bond 10Gbps wireless circuits.  Even the 
products themselves are fairly new or still in development.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

It's quite surprising that this hasn't happened already.

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:55:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links
It still needs feedback from the radios as far as I can tell but it’s an 
interesting idea.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

SDWAN?

From: Af > on behalf of Rory 
Conaway >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Interesting.  Just talked to SIAE yesterday and they won’t have radios 
available for a while.   I believe we have 2 ideas on the table though, to 
address this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best switch for bonding dual 10Gbps radio links

Seems like you might need some Cisco and SIAE gear?

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-provider/unified-ran-backhaul/white_paper_c11-728355.html

From: Af > on behalf of Rory 
Conaway >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

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