[AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

2015-11-10 Thread Matt
Have an employee we plan on sending to Mikrotik MTCNA training in next month or two. Prerequisites state: "The student must have a good understanding of TCP/IP and subnetting". Are there some good online youtube or other free sources for this that anyone here recommends?

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this dish?

2015-11-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
I have seen those on old tower sites near Del Rio. I think for electric co-op links Jaime Solorza On Nov 10, 2015 8:40 AM, "Chris Herrington" wrote: > I have been to hundreds of tower sites and never seen a dish like this. > Interesting top feed. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Steve
Ah once I knew Novell was involved I sort of lost interest in it. Centos has been great and I prefer it over anything else. Until 7. But the trend is becoming clear that more and more devs are starting to dump it. At least those who are not already in bed with RHEL. Anyone who committed

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Joshaven Mailing Lists
+1 for Ubuntu LTS Although I wouldn’t be disappointed with CentOS…. Just don’t make me administrate Windows and especially not Exchange & MS SQL Sincerely, Joshaven Potter MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com >

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Baird
Red Hat is far from a dying company. Their presence in the enterprise market is massive. They also sponsor and support (read: pay the developers) several large and well known open source projects (Foreman, Pulp, FreeIPA just to name a few). RedHat also recently just acquired Ansible and has

[AFMUG] Seen this dish?

2015-11-10 Thread Chris Herrington
I have been to hundreds of tower sites and never seen a dish like this. Interesting top feed. Any thoughts? Thanks, Chris H Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSP Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440 Full Spectrum Communications Consulting, Engineering, Installation Communications & Electrical

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Looks like inductive flyback/kickback. Be fun to put a small cap in parallel with the output. I’ll bet you can tune it out. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:20 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i Sort of. First of all, a

Re: [AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Pretty sure this is the site that Butch himself recommended ages ago: http://www.tcpipguide.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Matt wrote: > Have an employee we plan

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.51 and PPPOE

2015-11-10 Thread Mathew Howard
I haven't seen any problems. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote: > Good morning, > > > > Does the ePMP 2.51 have some quirks? Seeing some high ping times with > PPPoE customers across small links we swapped out aging UBNT

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

2015-11-10 Thread Rory Conaway
There are solutions coming. We have used NS2M’s with window mounts inside houses. Mimosa has the C5i coming out, etc… Of course, if the FCC would actually cooperate and cared about the 50% of the population that can’t afford internet (and still growing) by giving us some sub 1GHz bandwidth to

Re: [AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

2015-11-10 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN
There are some good CCNA videos on Youtube about subnetting. Subnetting is like the old multiplication tables in school. If you memorize what subnet mask corresponds to, say a /29, then you are ahead of the game. Getting down into the binary aspect of it is helpful in about .01% of all

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread Matt
FYI. Maybe unrelated but I had an issue with sync on a 450i. Mikrotik CRS --> Gigabit SyncInjector --> GIGE-APC-HV -- 260 foot shielded cat-5 --> 450i. Would loose sync briefly dozen times a day or so. Increased voltage from 48 to 52 volts. Issue went away, so far. No sync loss in bit over

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Im not a gifted linux guy, I have to rely on google for alot of what I need to do, installing things in particular to test. In the last couple months all the results are for 7, so it seems the trend is to move toward it. I can see the compatibility issues with some of the major changes. It appears

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Jeremy
I know that you've dealt with it Chuck, because you run fiber. Have you ever heard of a wireless company being required to have a franchise? Did you just bill it line item like a tax? ie. XYZ City Franchise Agreement Fee - 5% - $2.25 They are consulting the city attorney and getting back with

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik fair queues over a variable speed link?

2015-11-10 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
So doing the same, you could have interval scripted speedtests to define your rate?5 second speedtest every 10 or 15 minutes or something of that nature, use the result to define your speed? Thats what that one system does with the brains and nodes or whatever, I cant remember what its called, I

[AFMUG] OT - Extend POTS via IP

2015-11-10 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
We have several cases where a customer has a phone in an out building plus the house. When they were with verizon they just had a copper line between the house and building. When we first started installing the phones, we would just hook our ATA to the house wiring and everything worked great.

[AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Jeremy
I found a law on the books that says any company selling telecommunication services within the city must have a franchise license with the city. None of my competitors have ever done this. I thought it must just be on the books from a time when all telecom was ran in the ROW, and therefore it

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Sean Heskett
do they have an agreement with AT, Verizon, Sprint, T-mobile, Dish, DirectTV, Hughesnet etc etc? If not then tell them that if they require one for you they are opening up themselves for litigation for unfair practices. and as soon as they sign agreements with all those companies you'll glad

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hey, if the City of Chicago can have a “cloud tax” ... http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/1/8876817/chicago-cloud-tax-online-streaming-sales-netflix-spotify From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city I know that

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this dish?

2015-11-10 Thread Bill Prince
There is a cell tower in Cupertino, CA next to De Anza College that has dishes like that, but they mounted them the other way around (feed curving up from the bottom). bp On 11/10/2015 9:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Buttonhook feed, probably dual band. Ugly

Re: [AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

2015-11-10 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Its not free, but its cheap, and the current revisions step into IP 6 Sams teach yourself TCP/IP in 24 hours is a good book On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Justin Wilson - MTIN wrote: > There are some good CCNA videos on Youtube about subnetting. Subnetting > is like the old

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors (slightly new topic)

2015-11-10 Thread Bill Prince
Since we're talking about sync pipes and sync injectors We have a site that is on the 11th story of a 13 story building. The building is shaped like a big flat V (as seen from above), and 190° (or so) of the sky is blocked because there is close to 30' of concrete going above the site

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Brett A Mansfield
Get a good lawyer. There is no such thing as a franchise agreement for wireless. It's only if you use public lands and the ROW, but the city can make up their own rules to an extent. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Jeremy wrote: > > I

Re: [AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

2015-11-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
That made more sense to me than my CCNA instructor. Jaime Solorza On Nov 10, 2015 10:31 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > We should probably get rid of the term “subnet” and just tell people the > netmask tells you how many of the 32 bits in the (IPv4) address specify the > network,

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Chuck McCown
No, I have never seen a wireless company have to get a franchise. From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city I know that you've dealt with it Chuck, because you run fiber. Have you ever heard of a wireless

Re: [AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

2015-11-10 Thread Ken Hohhof
We should probably get rid of the term “subnet” and just tell people the netmask tells you how many of the 32 bits in the (IPv4) address specify the network, with the remaining bits specifying the host. The idea of network/subnet/host goes back to pre-CIDR days. It doesn’t take long before

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this dish?

2015-11-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Buttonhook feed, probably dual band. Ugly design. -Original Message- From: Chris Herrington Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Seen this dish? I have been to hundreds of tower sites and never seen a dish like this. Interesting top feed. Any

Re: [AFMUG] Subnetting and TCP/IP Intro

2015-11-10 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN
Darn Auto correct. Subnetting. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric > On Nov 10, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

2015-11-10 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Rory, Can you do that now, open internet and all? The guvment needs to fund ftth to all these people gigabit to the farm gigabit to every horse On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > We are looking at a similar issue and the best we can come up with is

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Bill Prince
That's the issue. All the new stuff is going into 7. That's fine. But if you're running any legacy stuff, and you just need it to work, 6.7 is your best bet. Life is too short to mess around with stuff that won't work on the new platform. bp On 11/10/2015 9:19

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

2015-11-10 Thread Rory Conaway
It’s not open. Work with the schools and you get to filter it. However, with a Procera box or a Barracuda Web Filter, you have some options. Keep in mind the Chromebooks are school issued meaning they come with rules. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this dish?

2015-11-10 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN
its an older Microwave transmitter dish for shorter range. I am guessing it’s either linking to a TV station or an FM station. More likely a TV station. There is science behind it for the front to back ratio. http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/encyclopedia_images/_EARTHST.GIF Not the same,

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Extend POTS via IP

2015-11-10 Thread Chuck McCown
The importance of the NID and ground rod: A Kansas farm wife called the local phone company to report her telephone failed to ring when her friends called and that on the few occasions, when it did ring, her dog always moaned right before the phone rang. A telephone repairman proceeded to the

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
CentOS 5 CentOS-5 updates until March 31, 2017 CentOS 6 CentOS-6 updates until November 30, 2020 CentOS 7 CentOS-7 updates until June 30, 2024 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Josh Baird

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN
I would do 7 just because of the support nature of it. There will become a time, sooner than 7, that 6 will no longer receive updates. Bite the bullet and do it now. CentOS7 has a little bit of a learning curve. Gone are the init scripts replaced by sys control. This is the biggest change

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Baird
RHEL has 10 year standard life/support cycles. RHEL5 was released in 2007, RHEL6 in 2010 and RHEL7 in 2014. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > That doesn't happen as soon as you might think. I still get regular > updates on CentOS 5.11; so THAT horse

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Jaime Solorza
yep...just like electric company folks going to ask for Sun Tax on your solar panels at home Chuck...Tuscon is already in the midst of this Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I wouldn’t sweat it.

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
That's exactly the problem that the RevI injectors will fix. The reason it went away with a higher voltage is that the bottom of the dip that I showed in one of the traces above at the start shifts upward with voltage. So at 52 volts it doesn't dip as close to zero. As long as that dip isn't

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread Bill Prince
Oh wow. A simple solution. In fact I bet Forrest could do something like that now. It would be interesting to see how small the voltage drop would have to be for the AP to actually recognize the pulse. bp On 11/10/2015 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Motorola

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread Chuck McCown
Motorola could have done us all a favor by just superimposing a 1 or 2 volt drop on the power than totally interrupting it. Just put a 1 Hz square wave at the top of the power. The total interruption and terribly narrow pulse width has cause lots of issues over the years. From: Forrest

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Bill Prince
That doesn't happen as soon as you might think. I still get regular updates on CentOS 5.11; so THAT horse ain't dead yet, even though it's supposedly been EOS for a while now. For all practical purposes, 6.x will probably continue getting updates for at least 5 years. That's probably longer

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Uh, I doubt they could enforce a franchise on you for a wireless company. I have a franchise agreement for fiber within the city I work in, but even then, it was illegal for them to charge any sort of per customer fee. My lawyer talked to their legal and straightened that out really quick. So

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Depends on the radio. The 450i needs to voltage to drop below 30V (from 48 or 56V), so still a pretty nasty drop. Others are worse. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > Oh wow. A simple solution. > > In fact I bet Forrest could do something like that

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors (slightly new topic)

2015-11-10 Thread George Skorup
The expansion bus communication in the SyncInjectors and PDUs is redundantly powered through their main inputs and the expansion. So yes, you'd have to cut both the main and the exp. power to cycle them. I have seen many issues with the SyncPipes over the years. Sometimes they just go stupid

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Extend POTS via IP

2015-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
FYI Telco NID's would have grounded surge protector installed in it... So as to protect them from surges. Most likely when you are connecting the ATA to house wiring, you are disconnecting it from the NID, and as such removing the surge protections. You can continue to connect the ATA to

Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

2015-11-10 Thread Rory Conaway
Really? I thought it was simply a tax to connect to the grid. That’s what SRP is doing in Phoenix. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 12:46 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Franchise Agreements with the city

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
It's a bit more complicated than that.. Yes, the pulse is effectively fed through the syncinjector. The injector doesn't (as an example) realign the pulse, or anything like that. It does, however, control the length of the power interruption and is able to simply ignore a pulse if it deems it

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjectors and PMP450i

2015-11-10 Thread George Skorup
Thanks, that's makes more sense. Yeah, it's really weird. All APs say they lose sync at the same time which points to the SyncInjector, but all of the stats look fine. As far as voltage, I have a couple sites on regulated 24 and a couple others on Mean Well AD-155's which put out 27.6 float

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Bill Prince
So if you think you're server will be updated/replaced before 2020, you're probably fine. I'll probably be pushing daisies by that time bp On 11/10/2015 1:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: CentOS 5 CentOS-5 updates until March 31, 2017 CentOS 6 CentOS-6 updates

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread George Skorup
The problem is going to be all of the software you intend to run supporting 7, 3rd party RPMs rebuilt for 7, etc. Back when I was messing with it and getting ready to redo my cPanel server, 7 wasn't supported at the time, so I opted for 6 to keep everything the same. I still have v5 running on

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

2015-11-10 Thread Rory Conaway
I don’t understand how you got $500 in the RB433. Since most of these people live in relatively small wooden houses, we are simply going to do a single 5GHz backhaul and a low height 2.4GHz omni. That should cover 6-10 houses or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Steve
Yeah that is like two dying companies merging to make one large one to compete. That is a sign of desperation. Thing is Debian attracted all the newbs when Ubuntu came along. So it had a higher visibility initially and a lot of the lower level talent flocked to it. There are far more eyes

Re: [AFMUG] Unsurprising news: Rural Mississippi broadband sucks

2015-11-10 Thread Glen Waldrop
Just an estimate. $99 - RB433 $50 - enclosure $12 - pigtail x3 $50 - R5Hn (oh, that worked out well...) $50 - R52Hn $67 - 12dBi Omni $35 - 9dBi Omni $60 - 29dBi grid $15 - LMR400 $22 - POE $60 - UPS It was a bit of an experiment, paid off here, not so much elsewhere. 12dBi omni on top for

[AFMUG] ePMP 2.51 and PPPOE

2015-11-10 Thread Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
Good morning, Does the ePMP 2.51 have some quirks? Seeing some high ping times with PPPoE customers across small links we swapped out aging UBNT M5's. Just checking before we do some field testing. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Baird
What are you finding that is not compatible with EL7? CentOS is not going to fade into the oblivion. It's probably the most widely adopted distribution in US 'enterprise' environments (other than RHEL it's self). Red Hat also joined forces (officially) with CentOS early last year [1]. [1]

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Baird
We have been running RHEL7 in production for quite a while now. My suggestion would be to deploy EL7. Bite the bullet and learn systemd. It's really not that hard, just different than init. Josh On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > There seems to be a fair

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
New server? 7 no question. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 10, 2015 1:34 AM, "Eric Kuhnke" wrote: > 7, for the 3.x series kernel if nothing else. > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

2015-11-10 Thread Steve
Finding a lot of things are not compatible with 7 yet and may not be for a while. Starting to see a lot of people flipping to Debian. Such a shame because I really do think Centos is going to now flounder around for the next 3 years and fade into oblivion. Thanks Novell! - Original

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Extend POTS via IP

2015-11-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Extend POTS via IP

2015-11-10 Thread Josh Luthman
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