Re: [AFMUG] Internet speed issues

[George Skorup]

Teh innernets waas slow tooday. Must be cuz no NN now. And if it wasn't, 
it probably will be in the future. Because nothing ever breaks. Your ISP 
is just bad and wants to piss you off.


That's pretty much what I got out of that article. These people are 
clueless.


On 12/18/2017 11:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/18/the_internet_is_really_slow_right_now.html

Had a customer complain about Starz but NetFlix is running fine.

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Thoughts on LVL3 (Centurylink) 10G wave

[Jeremy]

We have been happy with them.  Only issue was that they changed our
contract after the fact to disallow resellers (there was a clause that the
agreement could change at any time), and this made us worry that they would
pull our connection. I know someone else that received cease-and-desist
orders from them, but still had to pay out the agreement.  We have signed a
different agreement now, but still had to have a reseller clause
red-lined.  I'd just say 'read carefully'!

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Yes, thats why I'm asking.  We have used. and use, L3 quite a bit but I
> don't wan't to sign any long term contracts with them if I'm going to be
> beating my head against a brick wall of process and stupidity.  I've gotten
> estimated taxes and fees out of them thus far but they seem to be unwilling
> to give me actual taxes and fees.  They do have the lowest quoted price but
> I suspect lots of headaches and extra fees.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Didn’t L3 and CTL merge?
>>
>> CTL has two sides, Legacy Qwest and New CTL.  They don’t always get along
>> with each other.
>>
>> They can be difficult to deal with only because they come from the ILEC
>> world and have about 5 times more process than other companies.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2017 9:58 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thoughts on LVL3 (Centurylink) 10G wave
>>
>> I'm working on nailing down a vendor for a 10G wave.  Suspects are LVL3,
>> Zayo, and Fiberlight (through Fusion).  Level three is currently the price
>> leader  I haven't dealt with Centurylink in the past and am looking for the
>> good/bad/ugly on them.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

[AFMUG] Internet speed issues

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/18/the_internet_is_really_slow_right_now.html

Had a customer complain about Starz but NetFlix is running fine.

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[David]

You could just open up another ssid with new PSK

I have requested a feature for the R20xx series to do a QOS limit per SSID



On 12/18/2017 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm not really interested in it for 99% of my customers.  However, the 
odd one here or there it would be nice to enable with option 66 or 
something.


I'd also like to have it for my house, but I can do it with any one of 
a million devices easily.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Justin Wilson > wrote:


I do this with unified and a controller.  I now have a cloudy.

There is a thread on the cambium forum I am following that talks
about guest access on the r series platform but there have been no
updates from anyone at Cambium in awhile.  I will followup.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net 

www.mtin.net 
www.midwest-ix.com 


On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Does anyone do this at all? Wondering if it makes any sense.  I
know I'd like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't
want to give up my PSK to random people.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which
is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if
they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
> discuss more offlist if you like.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hello AF gang,
>>
>> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
>> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
>> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
>> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Chris Fabien]

They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello AF gang,
>
> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Sean
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Steve Jones]

i have to leave mine in the default folder, same with epmp in ptp mode,

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Well shit so if the AP isn't there I can't move the SM?  Oh lord...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays under its AP
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any one have any idea?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Josh Luthman]

They both have issues.

The iPhone can't figure out how to make a calculator work right or rotate
right - these are major issues from the last few months.  There was also
the bug where you could cause the device to reboot with a specific ESSID.
These devices are NOT new.  They've had 10 years to develop iOS, which was
based on MacOS from what 1992?  How can you publish such ridiculous bugs to
so many people...

I haven't really had any ridiculous issues like that on Android and I've
been using it since maybe 2009?

Just pick one and move on...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Having used both Android and IPhones …. iPhones I found more reliable and
> less prone to software issues … neither is perfect but my wife/kids hated
> me when I came home one day with new Samsung’s running Android – in fact
> after three months I ended up breaking cellular contracts and moving them
> back to iPhones.
>
>
>
> Anyone who knows me knows that I’m a fairly big Apple fan – so before you
> think I’m biased (because I probably am personally), then business wise, we
> have 90% iPhones in use, 9% Android, and 1% BB … again, the most reliable
> phones for us is Apple hands down and that’s a lot of phones in use …
>
>
>
> My two cents worth ☺
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett <
> af...@ics-il.net>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Monday, December 18, 2017 at 7:26 AM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>
>
>
> I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.
>
> Especially an IT person.
>
> Especially a radio person.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> [image: mage removed by sender.] [image:
> mage removed by sender.]
> [image:
> mage removed by sender.]
> [image:
> mage removed by sender.] 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> [image: mage removed by sender.] [image:
> mage removed by sender.]
> [image: mage
> removed by sender.] 
> The Brothers WISP 
> [image: mage removed by sender.]
> [image: mage removed by sender.]
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jason Wilson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>
>
>
> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All
> of my Computers are MacOS.
>
>
>
> Jason
>
> Jason Wilson
>
> Remotely Located
>
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>
> 530-651-1736 <(530)%20651-1736> Office
>
> 530-748-9608 <(530)%20748-9608> Cell
>
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Josh Luthman]

I'm not really interested in it for 99% of my customers.  However, the odd
one here or there it would be nice to enable with option 66 or something.

I'd also like to have it for my house, but I can do it with any one of a
million devices easily.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> I do this with unified and a controller.  I now have a cloudy.
>
> There is a thread on the cambium forum I am following that talks about
> guest access on the r series platform but there have been no updates from
> anyone at Cambium in awhile.  I will followup.
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any sense.  I know I'd
> like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't want to give up my PSK
> to random people.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Josh Luthman]

Well shit so if the AP isn't there I can't move the SM?  Oh lord...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays under its AP
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Any one have any idea?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Timothy Steele]

Sumsung sux not Android if you get Android get a Nexus 5x or newer or a
pixel if you want a real Android due to crap companys like Samsung is why
Google had to start making there own phones

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017, 3:29 PM Jason Wilson 
wrote:

> Thank you all for your input.  Yes I agree that if you have an android
> make sure it is a pure android device, #saynotosamsung.  I have a decision
> to make and I am stuck between a rock and a hard place.
>
> Thanks Guys.
>
> Jason
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 Office
> 530-748-9608 Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Doug Hass  wrote:
>
> If I had an Android today, it would be a Pixel. I totally agree that stock
> Android is the way to go.
> El El lun, dic. 18, 2017 a las 12:21 p. m., Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> escribió:
>
>> I agree, I've had Nexus phones for a few years and now have a Pixel XL.
>> It's a great phone - the stock Android devices are a bit of a different
>> animal than the modified ones.
>>
>> On Monday, December 18, 2017, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> I am about as much as an anti-apple fanboy as you can get.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure their products are good, but you must live in the little narrow
>>> space that they allow for you. Too restrictive for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> When people talk about "Android", they are often talking about someone's
>>> modified version of Android, the most prominent one being Samsung. Samsung
>>> phones are a very modified version of Android.
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been using Nexus phones (6P) for a couple of years now. They run
>>> pure Android, and they work very, very well.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/18/2017 4:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>> I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.
>>>
>>> Especially an IT person.
>>>
>>> Especially a radio person.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jason Wilson" 
>>> 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.
>>> All of my Computers are MacOS.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736> Office
>>> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

I personally think multicast video will be relegated to the same place that 
ISDN and the Newton resides.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

A WISP isn't going to succeed with multicast video.  It more or less has to be 
fiber.


-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/18/2017 2:42:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

   

  Lots of chatter about Rodeo on the WISPA lists off and on.  I think it uses 
multicast vs. individual streams like Real Choice does.
  From the chatter I've read over the last few months no wisp yet has it 
running successfully.

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going to do 
IPTV.
But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, I 
don’t think IPTV can be a profit center.

DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Hello AF gang, 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on 
our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience 
with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) 
your experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iJUfZYZuEE 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:07:49 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV 


Hello AF gang, 


We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them. If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience. 


Thanks! 


-Sean 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Jason Wilson]

Thank you all for your input.  Yes I agree that if you have an android make 
sure it is a pure android device, #saynotosamsung.  I have a decision to make 
and I am stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Thanks Guys.

Jason
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 Office
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Doug Hass  wrote:
> 
> If I had an Android today, it would be a Pixel. I totally agree that stock 
> Android is the way to go.
> El El lun, dic. 18, 2017 a las 12:21 p. m., Jason McKemie 
> > 
> escribió:
> I agree, I've had Nexus phones for a few years and now have a Pixel XL. It's 
> a great phone - the stock Android devices are a bit of a different animal 
> than the modified ones. 
> 
> On Monday, December 18, 2017, Bill Prince  > wrote:
> I am about as much as an anti-apple fanboy as you can get. 
> 
> Sure their products are good, but you must live in the little narrow space 
> that they allow for you. Too restrictive for me.
> 
> 
> When people talk about "Android", they are often talking about someone's 
> modified version of Android, the most prominent one being Samsung. Samsung 
> phones are a very modified version of Android. 
> 
> We have been using Nexus phones (6P) for a couple of years now. They run pure 
> Android, and they work very, very well.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 12/18/2017 4:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.
>> 
>> Especially an IT person.
>> 
>> Especially a radio person.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>   
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> From: "Jason Wilson"  
>> 
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All of 
>> my Computers are MacOS.
>> 
>> Jason
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736  Office
>> 530-748-9608  Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Doug Hass]

If I had an Android today, it would be a Pixel. I totally agree that stock
Android is the way to go.
El El lun, dic. 18, 2017 a las 12:21 p. m., Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> escribió:

> I agree, I've had Nexus phones for a few years and now have a Pixel XL.
> It's a great phone - the stock Android devices are a bit of a different
> animal than the modified ones.
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2017, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I am about as much as an anti-apple fanboy as you can get.
>>
>>
>> Sure their products are good, but you must live in the little narrow
>> space that they allow for you. Too restrictive for me.
>>
>>
>> When people talk about "Android", they are often talking about someone's
>> modified version of Android, the most prominent one being Samsung. Samsung
>> phones are a very modified version of Android.
>>
>>
>> We have been using Nexus phones (6P) for a couple of years now. They run
>> pure Android, and they work very, very well.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2017 4:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
> I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.
>>
>> Especially an IT person.
>>
>> Especially a radio person.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jason Wilson" 
>> 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>>
>>
>>
>> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All
>> of my Computers are MacOS.
>>
>> Jason
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736> Office
>> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Adam Moffett]

A WISP isn't going to succeed with multicast video.  It more or less has 
to be fiber.



-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/18/2017 2:42:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV




Lots of chatter about Rodeo on the WISPA lists off and on.  I think it 
uses multicast vs. individual streams like Real Choice does.
From the chatter I've read over the last few months no wisp yet has it 
running successfully.



- Original Message -
From:Chuck McCown 
To:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going 
to do IPTV.
But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, 
I don’t think IPTV can be a profit center.


DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.

From:Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution 
on our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any 
experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either 
on-list or off-list) your experience.


Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Lots of chatter about Rodeo on the WISPA lists off and on.  I think it uses 
multicast vs. individual streams like Real Choice does.
>From the chatter I've read over the last few months no wisp yet has it running 
>successfully.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV


  No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going to do 
IPTV.
  But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, I 
don’t think IPTV can be a profit center.

  DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

  Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.  

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

  Hello AF gang, 

  We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

  Thanks!

  -Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

No.  Never heard of them.  I would go with Real Choice if I was going to do 
IPTV.
But there are an ever increasing numbers of OTT with good programming, I don’t 
think IPTV can be a profit center.

DirectvNow, Sony VUE, SlingTV, Youtube Channel, FUBO.

Even Pluto is great and it is totally free.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

Hello AF gang, 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Steve Jones]

one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays under its AP

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Any one have any idea?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>

[AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Sean Heskett]

Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
on-list or off-list) your experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

[AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Josh Luthman]

Any one have any idea?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Jason McKemie]

I agree, I've had Nexus phones for a few years and now have a Pixel XL.
It's a great phone - the stock Android devices are a bit of a different
animal than the modified ones.

On Monday, December 18, 2017, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I am about as much as an anti-apple fanboy as you can get.
>
>
> Sure their products are good, but you must live in the little narrow space
> that they allow for you. Too restrictive for me.
>
>
> When people talk about "Android", they are often talking about someone's
> modified version of Android, the most prominent one being Samsung. Samsung
> phones are a very modified version of Android.
>
>
> We have been using Nexus phones (6P) for a couple of years now. They run
> pure Android, and they work very, very well.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/18/2017 4:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.
>
> Especially an IT person.
>
> Especially a radio person.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jason Wilson" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>
>
>
> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All
> of my Computers are MacOS.
>
> Jason
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736> Office
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - Nova 230's on these builds.

We will have an EdgePoint at the top to power ePMP and backhauls.  My
initial thought was to use a 5Ch PDU from PF, but I didn't want to have to
put a SiteMonitor Base II+5 Ch PDU in the breakout box.  But really - I
think it's the best solution.  It also gives us the ability to reboot the
eNB's remotely.  My bundle doesn't have CAT6 in it (if you are talking
about the cable running from bottom-to-top).  It's a prefab CommScope cable
with 14AWG 2 conductor power, and 2 pairs of SM fiber.

Not running a BCMU360 here - need slightly more than ~220W @ 48V, so I'm
sticking with the TSP+BCM.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:46 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> For a simple setup like Steve's dual ODU, I'd probably cheat and do
> something like a 4 or 5A fuse at the bottom, assuming about 80W per radio.
> Plus they're on the same antenna, height, power supply, bonded together,
> etc. For the single run scenario anyway. If it was dedicated runs, then
> yeah, each would get their own fuse/breaker/whatever.
>
> Are you talking the new Nova 436's? If it was me, I'd do a dedicated run
> to the ground for each. Just because. Future and stuff. 8x8 eNBs probably
> aren't too far off in the future. Gonna need more power.
>
> But after a quick re-read, I assume you're talking the Nova 230. Say a
> cluster of 4. Perfect scenario for a SM Base-II, 5ch PDU and a small switch
> up top. What I would do, in case the switch locks up, is use the cat6 in
> the bundle as ethernet and either primary or secondary power to the base
> unit. i.e. use the blue and brown pairs for pwr1 or pwr2.
>
> The thing that sucks with the Traco BCMU360 is that it's regulated 48 and
> you can't crank up the output voltage to 56VDC. The only thing the pot does
> is adjust the battery voltage.
>
> I remember Forrest was talking about doing a multi-port media converter
> injector thingamajig. That would be cool, but now I think we're getting to
> the point where the vendors are paying attention, so hopefully bitching
> about DC+fiber is going to be a thing of the past.
>
> On 12/18/2017 8:37 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> In this scenario - would you fuse each DC run from the small top-enclosure
> (where your power/fiber breaks out) to the radio(s)?
>
> I'm looking at doing something similar to power some Baicells eNBs.
> TSP/BCM at the bottom, 14AWG DC/fiber up the tower to a small enclosure
> where the power/fiber will break out to the eNB's and a switch.
>
> What would you put at the bottom between the 48VDC rail and the run to the
> top?  A breaker?  A large-ish fuse?
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x
>> single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi
>> optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The
>> reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a small
>> enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC couplers or a
>> patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the enclosure. Use
>> standard patch cables inside from the radio to the coupler/patch panel.
>>
>> Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get some
>> mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not be concerned
>> with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so you're going to have
>> plenty optical budget.
>>
>> That's my 2c anyway.
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the
>>> components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.
>>>
>>> Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 if
>>> im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the top
>>> for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.
>>>
>>> The two big questions are
>>>
>>> Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just
>>> cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.
>>>
>>> If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out so
>>> is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?
>>>
>>> Neither of these are more than 120 feet
>>>
>>> Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is
>>> in the air (these are grain elevators though)
>>>
>>> Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about
>>> 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?
>>>
>>> Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[George Skorup]

For a simple setup like Steve's dual ODU, I'd probably cheat and do 
something like a 4 or 5A fuse at the bottom, assuming about 80W per 
radio. Plus they're on the same antenna, height, power supply, bonded 
together, etc. For the single run scenario anyway. If it was dedicated 
runs, then yeah, each would get their own fuse/breaker/whatever.


Are you talking the new Nova 436's? If it was me, I'd do a dedicated run 
to the ground for each. Just because. Future and stuff. 8x8 eNBs 
probably aren't too far off in the future. Gonna need more power.


But after a quick re-read, I assume you're talking the Nova 230. Say a 
cluster of 4. Perfect scenario for a SM Base-II, 5ch PDU and a small 
switch up top. What I would do, in case the switch locks up, is use the 
cat6 in the bundle as ethernet and either primary or secondary power to 
the base unit. i.e. use the blue and brown pairs for pwr1 or pwr2.


The thing that sucks with the Traco BCMU360 is that it's regulated 48 
and you can't crank up the output voltage to 56VDC. The only thing the 
pot does is adjust the battery voltage.


I remember Forrest was talking about doing a multi-port media converter 
injector thingamajig. That would be cool, but now I think we're getting 
to the point where the vendors are paying attention, so hopefully 
bitching about DC+fiber is going to be a thing of the past.


On 12/18/2017 8:37 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
In this scenario - would you fuse each DC run from the small 
top-enclosure (where your power/fiber breaks out) to the radio(s)?


I'm looking at doing something similar to power some Baicells eNBs.  
TSP/BCM at the bottom, 14AWG DC/fiber up the tower to a small 
enclosure where the power/fiber will break out to the eNB's and a switch.


What would you put at the bottom between the 48VDC rail and the run to 
the top?  A breaker?  A large-ish fuse?


Josh

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:


Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x
single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and
4x BiDi optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with
duplex optics. The reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated
runs. Bring it up to a small enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever
for your power. LC-LC couplers or a patch panel. Flexible conduit
from the radios to the enclosure. Use standard patch cables inside
from the radio to the coupler/patch panel.

Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get
some mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not
be concerned with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so
you're going to have plenty optical budget.

That's my 2c anyway.


On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue
the components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors
on single fiber.

Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio
in 2+0 if im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an
enclosure at the top for these to enter to let the fiber pairs
split out.

The two big questions are

Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably
and just cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.

If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind
of out so is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE
recommended?

Neither of these are more than 120 feet

Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable
that is in the air (these are grain elevators though)

Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to
run about 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?

Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or
surges

Re: [AFMUG] Thoughts on LVL3 (Centurylink) 10G wave

[Carl Peterson]

Yes, thats why I'm asking.  We have used. and use, L3 quite a bit but I
don't wan't to sign any long term contracts with them if I'm going to be
beating my head against a brick wall of process and stupidity.  I've gotten
estimated taxes and fees out of them thus far but they seem to be unwilling
to give me actual taxes and fees.  They do have the lowest quoted price but
I suspect lots of headaches and extra fees.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Didn’t L3 and CTL merge?
>
> CTL has two sides, Legacy Qwest and New CTL.  They don’t always get along
> with each other.
>
> They can be difficult to deal with only because they come from the ILEC
> world and have about 5 times more process than other companies.
>
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2017 9:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Thoughts on LVL3 (Centurylink) 10G wave
>
> I'm working on nailing down a vendor for a 10G wave.  Suspects are LVL3,
> Zayo, and Fiberlight (through Fusion).  Level three is currently the price
> leader  I haven't dealt with Centurylink in the past and am looking for the
> good/bad/ugly on them.
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Doug Hass]

I was anti-Apple, pro-pure Android (Nexus) phones since I quit using
Blackberry years ago...until last October.  Android no longer had the
stability or feature advantages over iPhone.  Multitasking, multi window
support, local file exploring/storage, to pick a few, are all available on
iOS now where they weren't when I adopted Android.  I no longer need to
root a phone to get tethering, iTunes isn't required for anything anymore,
and all of the Microsoft and Google productivity/utility and other apps
(SSH, Cacti, IP camera management, for the most part) that I use are
available on the iPhone and work just as well there with the same
integration as on my LG and Nexus phones.

To each their own--this is just a Pepsi/Coke/Ford/Chevy kind of debate--but
where I didn't see iOS as an alternative before, I actually prefer it over
Android today and haven't looked back.  The iPhone X has been fantastic.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I am about as much as an anti-apple fanboy as you can get.
>
>
> Sure their products are good, but you must live in the little narrow space
> that they allow for you. Too restrictive for me.
>
>
> When people talk about "Android", they are often talking about someone's
> modified version of Android, the most prominent one being Samsung. Samsung
> phones are a very modified version of Android.
>
>
> We have been using Nexus phones (6P) for a couple of years now. They run
> pure Android, and they work very, very well.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/18/2017 4:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.
>
> Especially an IT person.
>
> Especially a radio person.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jason Wilson" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>
>
>
> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All
> of my Computers are MacOS.
>
> Jason
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736> Office
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Thoughts on LVL3 (Centurylink) 10G wave

[Chuck McCown]

Didn’t L3 and CTL merge?

CTL has two sides, Legacy Qwest and New CTL.  They don’t always get along with 
each other.

They can be difficult to deal with only because they come from the ILEC world 
and have about 5 times more process than other companies.  


From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Thoughts on LVL3 (Centurylink) 10G wave

I'm working on nailing down a vendor for a 10G wave.  Suspects are LVL3, Zayo, 
and Fiberlight (through Fusion).  Level three is currently the price leader  I 
haven't dealt with Centurylink in the past and am looking for the good/bad/ugly 
on them.   


-- 

Carl Peterson


PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

[AFMUG] Thoughts on LVL3 (Centurylink) 10G wave

[Carl Peterson]

I'm working on nailing down a vendor for a 10G wave.  Suspects are LVL3,
Zayo, and Fiberlight (through Fusion).  Level three is currently the price
leader  I haven't dealt with Centurylink in the past and am looking for the
good/bad/ugly on them.

-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Carl Peterson]

My feeling on topside breakout is that it is easier to replace a fuse then
everything but it sucks to climb to replace a fuse if that is really the
only issue.  If I am breaking out up top, I use a fused dc buss with fuses
a bit larger then they should be up top and then fuse for total load at the
bottom.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this is a good point, didnt think about that
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> In this scenario - would you fuse each DC run from the small
>> top-enclosure (where your power/fiber breaks out) to the radio(s)?
>>
>> I'm looking at doing something similar to power some Baicells eNBs.
>> TSP/BCM at the bottom, 14AWG DC/fiber up the tower to a small enclosure
>> where the power/fiber will break out to the eNB's and a switch.
>>
>> What would you put at the bottom between the 48VDC rail and the run to
>> the top?  A breaker?  A large-ish fuse?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x
>>> single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi
>>> optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The
>>> reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a small
>>> enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC couplers or a
>>> patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the enclosure. Use
>>> standard patch cables inside from the radio to the coupler/patch panel.
>>>
>>> Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get some
>>> mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not be concerned
>>> with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so you're going to have
>>> plenty optical budget.
>>>
>>> That's my 2c anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
 We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the
 components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.

 Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0
 if im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the
 top for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.

 The two big questions are

 Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just
 cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.

 If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out
 so is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?

 Neither of these are more than 120 feet

 Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is
 in the air (these are grain elevators though)

 Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about
 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?

 Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges

>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Gerard Dupont]

I don't know. Didn't get that deep into it. Just threw it on a vm to try it
out.

Gerard

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Can it pull in a BGP feed for more accuracy?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gerard Dupont" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 9:33:15 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS
>
> Right. It pulls a feed from maxmind. I know it's not as accurate. I know.
> I get it. I don't need a speech. lol
>
> Gerard
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Mikrotik netflow doesn't have the AS information, so how is it getting it?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Gerard Dupont" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 9:21:55 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS
>>
>> I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a
>> BGP peer like pmacct.
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>>
>>> Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which
>>> ASes traffic goes.
>>>
>>> What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
>>> routers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems
>>> lot of work to install.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Steve Jones]

this is a good point, didnt think about that

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> In this scenario - would you fuse each DC run from the small top-enclosure
> (where your power/fiber breaks out) to the radio(s)?
>
> I'm looking at doing something similar to power some Baicells eNBs.
> TSP/BCM at the bottom, 14AWG DC/fiber up the tower to a small enclosure
> where the power/fiber will break out to the eNB's and a switch.
>
> What would you put at the bottom between the 48VDC rail and the run to the
> top?  A breaker?  A large-ish fuse?
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x
>> single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi
>> optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The
>> reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a small
>> enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC couplers or a
>> patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the enclosure. Use
>> standard patch cables inside from the radio to the coupler/patch panel.
>>
>> Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get some
>> mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not be concerned
>> with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so you're going to have
>> plenty optical budget.
>>
>> That's my 2c anyway.
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the
>>> components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.
>>>
>>> Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 if
>>> im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the top
>>> for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.
>>>
>>> The two big questions are
>>>
>>> Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just
>>> cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.
>>>
>>> If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out so
>>> is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?
>>>
>>> Neither of these are more than 120 feet
>>>
>>> Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is
>>> in the air (these are grain elevators though)
>>>
>>> Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about
>>> 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?
>>>
>>> Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Mike Hammett]

Can it pull in a BGP feed for more accuracy? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gerard Dupont"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:33:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS 


Right. It pulls a feed from maxmind. I know it's not as accurate. I know. I get 
it. I don't need a speech. lol 


Gerard 


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Mikrotik netflow doesn't have the AS information, so how is it getting it? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Gerard Dupont" < ger...@shelbybb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:21:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS 


I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a BGP 
peer like pmacct. 


Gerard 


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 







Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which ASes 
traffic goes. 
What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core routers. 

Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot of 
work to install. 

Thanks, 
Stefan 

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Mike Hammett]

Was more curious than a speech. 

But now that you mention it ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gerard Dupont"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:33:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS 


Right. It pulls a feed from maxmind. I know it's not as accurate. I know. I get 
it. I don't need a speech. lol 


Gerard 


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Mikrotik netflow doesn't have the AS information, so how is it getting it? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Gerard Dupont" < ger...@shelbybb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:21:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS 


I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a BGP 
peer like pmacct. 


Gerard 


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 







Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which ASes 
traffic goes. 
What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core routers. 

Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot of 
work to install. 

Thanks, 
Stefan 

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Gerard Dupont]

Right. It pulls a feed from maxmind. I know it's not as accurate. I know. I
get it. I don't need a speech. lol

Gerard

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Mikrotik netflow doesn't have the AS information, so how is it getting it?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gerard Dupont" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 9:21:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS
>
> I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a
> BGP peer like pmacct.
>
> Gerard
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
>> Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which
>> ASes traffic goes.
>>
>> What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
>> routers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot
>> of work to install.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Josh Baird]

I typically individually fuse each component on the rail.. just trying to
figure out what the best scenario for a split-top/bottom install would be.
I'll definitely put a fuse between the rail and DC cable (that runs to the
top) in my bottom-box.  Would you also fuse each breakout at the top?
Trying to minimize the chance of climbs to replace a fuse, but want to make
sure everything is properly protected as well.


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Don't you have fuses on your 48V rail?
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> In this scenario - would you fuse each DC run from the small
>> top-enclosure (where your power/fiber breaks out) to the radio(s)?
>>
>> I'm looking at doing something similar to power some Baicells eNBs.
>> TSP/BCM at the bottom, 14AWG DC/fiber up the tower to a small enclosure
>> where the power/fiber will break out to the eNB's and a switch.
>>
>> What would you put at the bottom between the 48VDC rail and the run to
>> the top?  A breaker?  A large-ish fuse?
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x
>>> single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi
>>> optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The
>>> reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a small
>>> enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC couplers or a
>>> patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the enclosure. Use
>>> standard patch cables inside from the radio to the coupler/patch panel.
>>>
>>> Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get some
>>> mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not be concerned
>>> with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so you're going to have
>>> plenty optical budget.
>>>
>>> That's my 2c anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
 We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the
 components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.

 Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0
 if im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the
 top for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.

 The two big questions are

 Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just
 cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.

 If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out
 so is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?

 Neither of these are more than 120 feet

 Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is
 in the air (these are grain elevators though)

 Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about
 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?

 Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Mike Hammett]

Mikrotik netflow doesn't have the AS information, so how is it getting it? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gerard Dupont"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:21:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS 


I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a BGP 
peer like pmacct. 


Gerard 


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 





Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which ASes 
traffic goes. 
What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core routers. 

Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot of 
work to install. 

Thanks, 
Stefan 

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Carl Peterson]

Don't you have fuses on your 48V rail?

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> In this scenario - would you fuse each DC run from the small top-enclosure
> (where your power/fiber breaks out) to the radio(s)?
>
> I'm looking at doing something similar to power some Baicells eNBs.
> TSP/BCM at the bottom, 14AWG DC/fiber up the tower to a small enclosure
> where the power/fiber will break out to the eNB's and a switch.
>
> What would you put at the bottom between the 48VDC rail and the run to the
> top?  A breaker?  A large-ish fuse?
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x
>> single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi
>> optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The
>> reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a small
>> enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC couplers or a
>> patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the enclosure. Use
>> standard patch cables inside from the radio to the coupler/patch panel.
>>
>> Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get some
>> mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not be concerned
>> with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so you're going to have
>> plenty optical budget.
>>
>> That's my 2c anyway.
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the
>>> components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.
>>>
>>> Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 if
>>> im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the top
>>> for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.
>>>
>>> The two big questions are
>>>
>>> Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just
>>> cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.
>>>
>>> If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out so
>>> is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?
>>>
>>> Neither of these are more than 120 feet
>>>
>>> Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is
>>> in the air (these are grain elevators though)
>>>
>>> Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about
>>> 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?
>>>
>>> Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Gerard Dupont]

I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a
BGP peer like pmacct.

Gerard

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which
> ASes traffic goes.
>
> What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
> routers.
>
>
>
> Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot
> of work to install.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefan
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Justin Wilson]

I do this with unified and a controller.  I now have a cloudy.

There is a thread on the cambium forum I am following that talks about guest 
access on the r series platform but there have been no updates from anyone at 
Cambium in awhile.  I will followup.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any sense.  I know I'd 
> like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't want to give up my PSK 
> to random people.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Bill Prince]

I am about as much as an anti-apple fanboy as you can get.


Sure their products are good, but you must live in the little narrow 
space that they allow for you. Too restrictive for me.



When people talk about "Android", they are often talking about someone's 
modified version of Android, the most prominent one being Samsung. 
Samsung phones are a very modified version of Android.



We have been using Nexus phones (6P) for a couple of years now. They run 
pure Android, and they work very, very well.



bp


On 12/18/2017 4:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.

Especially an IT person.

Especially a radio person.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jason Wilson" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android



Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an
iPhone.  All of my Computers are MacOS.

Jason
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736  Office
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Bill Prince]

Do what you want.


bp


On 12/17/2017 11:27 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:



Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an
iPhone.  All of my Computers are MacOS.

Jason
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736  Office
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com 

Re: [AFMUG] fiber/power on POPs

[Josh Baird]

In this scenario - would you fuse each DC run from the small top-enclosure
(where your power/fiber breaks out) to the radio(s)?

I'm looking at doing something similar to power some Baicells eNBs.
TSP/BCM at the bottom, 14AWG DC/fiber up the tower to a small enclosure
where the power/fiber will break out to the eNB's and a switch.

What would you put at the bottom between the 48VDC rail and the run to the
top?  A breaker?  A large-ish fuse?

Josh

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Get the Shireen DFP-1246. That has a red and a black 12AWG. And 4x
> single-mode fibers. You could do even one single run of that and 4x BiDi
> optics. Or a run for each radio if you're stuck with duplex optics. The
> reel is 500', so I would just do two dedicated runs. Bring it up to a small
> enclosure. Terminal strip or whatever for your power. LC-LC couplers or a
> patch panel. Flexible conduit from the radios to the enclosure. Use
> standard patch cables inside from the radio to the coupler/patch panel.
>
> Have your guy splice on some LC pigtails. Or go to FS.com and get some
> mechanical LC connectors. As short as the run is, I would not be concerned
> with mechanical connectors. This is single mode, so you're going to have
> plenty optical budget.
>
> That's my 2c anyway.
>
>
> On 12/15/2017 10:52 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> We are putting our first fiber to the radio, I have no clue the
>> components. It appears this link will have 4 LC connectors on single fiber.
>>
>> Theres a conduit kit for the radio, looks like 2 to each radio in 2+0 if
>> im understanding correctly. I figure we will need an enclosure at the top
>> for these to enter to let the fiber pairs split out.
>>
>> The two big questions are
>>
>> Can I get this cable in pre terminated patch cords affordably and just
>> cut the jacket back to get the pairs to the radios.
>>
>> If its preterminated without running big pipe, conduit is kind of out so
>> is just something copper clad similar to BBDGE recommended?
>>
>> Neither of these are more than 120 feet
>>
>> Our guy can splice at 70 bucks per, but im not sure how viable that is in
>> the air (these are grain elevators though)
>>
>> Both these radios have existing cat5 BBDGE, can I use that to run about
>> 105 watts @ 48volts split out to two radios at 120 feet?
>>
>> Im pretty excited to not have ethernet negotiation issues or surges
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Dave]

We have a Pword set for user level and the admin is different for the 
cambium routers we use.
 Anyone seen the issue where it seems the remote access shuts down both 
from WAN or LAN but still functions as normal?
I see this a bunch with DVRs and other devices that want to override any 
port forwarding you may have.




On 12/15/2017 09:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any sense.  I know 
I'd like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't want to give 
up my PSK to random people.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


--

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Eric Muehleisen]

*3. Can I repeat number 1 because it's so goddamn annoying?  I can install
the Google Earth app, but I can't load a KML? *

You certainly can import KMZ's into GE on iPhone. You can also import your
KMZ into Google Maps as well. Look for "My Places".



On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I used a Samsung Galaxy S6 for awhile.  As compared to the iPhone I found
> it was less useful as a phone, but more useful as a small computer.
>
> My complaints about the Android:
> 1. The phone app was laggy and sometimes even froze.  I once or twice
> actually had to kill the app and restart it so I could make a phone call.
> Someone informed me that I could download a different app to make cell
> phone calls with, but I don't see why I should have to.  Why didn't the
> vendor ensure that the cell phone functioned well as a cell phone before
> anything else?
> 2. The phone itself was a lot more physically flexible compared to the
> iPhone's rigid aluminum frame.  I bought one of those otter box cases for
> the Samsung, whereas I never had more than a rubber padded cover around the
> iPhone.
> 3.  In general, more likely to have frozen/crashed apps.
>
> My complaints about the iPhone:
> 1. Apple's restrictions on loading external data are frustrating, and
> really limit the usefulness of the phone as a handheld computer.  I believe
> I understand their strategy behind it, but I don't like it.  I'm pretty
> sure with a keyboard and screen attached I could do 75% of my work from a
> Samsung phone.  With iPhone I can do emails and calendars, and work with
> Google Docs or other approved cloud based data.
> 2. Non-standard USB connector.  Why was that necessary?
> 3. Can I repeat number 1 because it's so goddamn annoying?  I can install
> the Google Earth app, but I can't load a KML?  BS.  I can't even copy a
> picture or MP3 from the PC to the phone without using iTunes?  FU Apple.
>
> I'm still using iPhone because I have bought apps in the Apple Store that
> I'd be annoyed about re-purchasing, and I first and foremost need the phone
> to be a phone.  I have a laptop for doing real work.
>
> As far as Apple bias, I have used Macs before at work and it was not bad
> at all.  OSX was useful and reliable, and I actually liked having the Unix
> tools available.  I haven't used one daily in years, and I wouldn't buy one
> for myself mostly because in my job there are Windows specific applications
> that I need, and it always seemed like Macs were overpriced.  I'm not
> paying extra just to have a prettier computer.and I can run BSD or
> Linux to get all the Unix tools I want.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason Wilson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/18/2017 2:27:41 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>
>
>
> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All
> of my Computers are MacOS.
>
> Jason
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 <(530)%20651-1736> Office
> 530-748-9608 <(530)%20748-9608> Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>

[AFMUG] engineeraustin.com

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have any history with these guys for Mikrotik support?  Specifically 
BGP for internal network

Thanks!

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Jaime Solorza]

Doesn't match your shoes or ensemble

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 18, 2017 6:08 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Valid points and well said …. The one thing I’ll mention about iTunes is
> that it’s not needed if you utilize more of the Mac ecosystem.  I’ve never
> been a fan of it neither and I’m a huge Apple fan in general – when I ran
> Windows day to day it was seriously  a major pain as you mention – no
> question there ….
>
>
>
> When you are running their iCloud, Mac computers etc then iTunes if only
> useful to actually purchase music/movies etc … other than that it’s not
> needed and that’s one thing I really like ☺
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett <
> dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Monday, December 18, 2017 at 7:53 AM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>
>
>
> I used a Samsung Galaxy S6 for awhile.  As compared to the iPhone I found
> it was less useful as a phone, but more useful as a small computer.
>
>
>
> My complaints about the Android:
>
> 1. The phone app was laggy and sometimes even froze.  I once or twice
> actually had to kill the app and restart it so I could make a phone call.
> Someone informed me that I could download a different app to make cell
> phone calls with, but I don't see why I should have to.  Why didn't the
> vendor ensure that the cell phone functioned well as a cell phone before
> anything else?
>
> 2. The phone itself was a lot more physically flexible compared to the
> iPhone's rigid aluminum frame.  I bought one of those otter box cases for
> the Samsung, whereas I never had more than a rubber padded cover around the
> iPhone.
>
> 3.  In general, more likely to have frozen/crashed apps.
>
>
>
> My complaints about the iPhone:
>
> 1. Apple's restrictions on loading external data are frustrating, and
> really limit the usefulness of the phone as a handheld computer.  I believe
> I understand their strategy behind it, but I don't like it.  I'm pretty
> sure with a keyboard and screen attached I could do 75% of my work from a
> Samsung phone.  With iPhone I can do emails and calendars, and work with
> Google Docs or other approved cloud based data.
>
> 2. Non-standard USB connector.  Why was that necessary?
>
> 3. Can I repeat number 1 because it's so goddamn annoying?  I can install
> the Google Earth app, but I can't load a KML?  BS.  I can't even copy a
> picture or MP3 from the PC to the phone without using iTunes?  FU Apple.
>
>
>
> I'm still using iPhone because I have bought apps in the Apple Store that
> I'd be annoyed about re-purchasing, and I first and foremost need the phone
> to be a phone.  I have a laptop for doing real work.
>
>
>
> As far as Apple bias, I have used Macs before at work and it was not bad
> at all.  OSX was useful and reliable, and I actually liked having the Unix
> tools available.  I haven't used one daily in years, and I wouldn't buy one
> for myself mostly because in my job there are Windows specific applications
> that I need, and it always seemed like Macs were overpriced.  I'm not
> paying extra just to have a prettier computer.and I can run BSD or
> Linux to get all the Unix tools I want.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jason Wilson" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 12/18/2017 2:27:41 AM
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android
>
>
>
>
>
> Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All
> of my Computers are MacOS.
>
>
>
> Jason
>
> Jason Wilson
>
> Remotely Located
>
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>
> 530-651-1736 <(530)%20651-1736> Office
>
> 530-748-9608 <(530)%20748-9608> Cell
>
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Paul Stewart]

Valid points and well said …. The one thing I’ll mention about iTunes is that 
it’s not needed if you utilize more of the Mac ecosystem.  I’ve never been a 
fan of it neither and I’m a huge Apple fan in general – when I ran Windows day 
to day it was seriously  a major pain as you mention – no question there ….

 

When you are running their iCloud, Mac computers etc then iTunes if only useful 
to actually purchase music/movies etc … other than that it’s not needed and 
that’s one thing I really like ☺

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 
Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, December 18, 2017 at 7:53 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

 

I used a Samsung Galaxy S6 for awhile.  As compared to the iPhone I found it 
was less useful as a phone, but more useful as a small computer.

 

My complaints about the Android:  

1. The phone app was laggy and sometimes even froze.  I once or twice actually 
had to kill the app and restart it so I could make a phone call.  Someone 
informed me that I could download a different app to make cell phone calls 
with, but I don't see why I should have to.  Why didn't the vendor ensure that 
the cell phone functioned well as a cell phone before anything else? 

2. The phone itself was a lot more physically flexible compared to the iPhone's 
rigid aluminum frame.  I bought one of those otter box cases for the Samsung, 
whereas I never had more than a rubber padded cover around the iPhone.

3.  In general, more likely to have frozen/crashed apps.

 

My complaints about the iPhone:

1. Apple's restrictions on loading external data are frustrating, and really 
limit the usefulness of the phone as a handheld computer.  I believe I 
understand their strategy behind it, but I don't like it.  I'm pretty sure with 
a keyboard and screen attached I could do 75% of my work from a Samsung phone.  
With iPhone I can do emails and calendars, and work with Google Docs or other 
approved cloud based data.  

2. Non-standard USB connector.  Why was that necessary?

3. Can I repeat number 1 because it's so goddamn annoying?  I can install the 
Google Earth app, but I can't load a KML?  BS.  I can't even copy a picture or 
MP3 from the PC to the phone without using iTunes?  FU Apple.

 

I'm still using iPhone because I have bought apps in the Apple Store that I'd 
be annoyed about re-purchasing, and I first and foremost need the phone to be a 
phone.  I have a laptop for doing real work.

 

As far as Apple bias, I have used Macs before at work and it was not bad at 
all.  OSX was useful and reliable, and I actually liked having the Unix tools 
available.  I haven't used one daily in years, and I wouldn't buy one for 
myself mostly because in my job there are Windows specific applications that I 
need, and it always seemed like Macs were overpriced.  I'm not paying extra 
just to have a prettier computer.and I can run BSD or Linux to get all the 
Unix tools I want.

 

-Adam

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jason Wilson" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 12/18/2017 2:27:41 AM

Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

 



Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All of my 
Computers are MacOS.

 

Jason

Jason Wilson

Remotely Located

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

530-651-1736 Office

530-748-9608 Cell

www.remotelylocated.com

 

 

[AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Stefan Englhardt]

Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which ASes
traffic goes.

What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
routers.

 

Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot of
work to install.

 

Thanks,

Stefan

 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Adam Moffett]

I used a Samsung Galaxy S6 for awhile.  As compared to the iPhone I 
found it was less useful as a phone, but more useful as a small 
computer.


My complaints about the Android:
1. The phone app was laggy and sometimes even froze.  I once or twice 
actually had to kill the app and restart it so I could make a phone 
call.  Someone informed me that I could download a different app to make 
cell phone calls with, but I don't see why I should have to.  Why didn't 
the vendor ensure that the cell phone functioned well as a cell phone 
before anything else?
2. The phone itself was a lot more physically flexible compared to the 
iPhone's rigid aluminum frame.  I bought one of those otter box cases 
for the Samsung, whereas I never had more than a rubber padded cover 
around the iPhone.

3.  In general, more likely to have frozen/crashed apps.

My complaints about the iPhone:
1. Apple's restrictions on loading external data are frustrating, and 
really limit the usefulness of the phone as a handheld computer.  I 
believe I understand their strategy behind it, but I don't like it.  I'm 
pretty sure with a keyboard and screen attached I could do 75% of my 
work from a Samsung phone.  With iPhone I can do emails and calendars, 
and work with Google Docs or other approved cloud based data.

2. Non-standard USB connector.  Why was that necessary?
3. Can I repeat number 1 because it's so goddamn annoying?  I can 
install the Google Earth app, but I can't load a KML?  BS.  I can't even 
copy a picture or MP3 from the PC to the phone without using iTunes?  FU 
Apple.


I'm still using iPhone because I have bought apps in the Apple Store 
that I'd be annoyed about re-purchasing, and I first and foremost need 
the phone to be a phone.  I have a laptop for doing real work.


As far as Apple bias, I have used Macs before at work and it was not bad 
at all.  OSX was useful and reliable, and I actually liked having the 
Unix tools available.  I haven't used one daily in years, and I wouldn't 
buy one for myself mostly because in my job there are Windows specific 
applications that I need, and it always seemed like Macs were 
overpriced.  I'm not paying extra just to have a prettier 
computer.and I can run BSD or Linux to get all the Unix tools I 
want.


-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason Wilson" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/18/2017 2:27:41 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android




Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  
All of my Computers are MacOS.


Jason
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736  Office
530-748-9608  Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Paul Stewart]

Having used both Android and IPhones …. iPhones I found more reliable and less 
prone to software issues … neither is perfect but my wife/kids hated me when I 
came home one day with new Samsung’s running Android – in fact after three 
months I ended up breaking cellular contracts and moving them back to iPhones.

 

Anyone who knows me knows that I’m a fairly big Apple fan – so before you think 
I’m biased (because I probably am personally), then business wise, we have 90% 
iPhones in use, 9% Android, and 1% BB … again, the most reliable phones for us 
is Apple hands down and that’s a lot of phones in use … 

 

My two cents worth ☺

 

Paul

 

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: 
Date: Monday, December 18, 2017 at 7:26 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

 

I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone.

Especially an IT person.

Especially a radio person.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



From: "Jason Wilson" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

 

Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone.  All of my 
Computers are MacOS.

 

Jason

Jason Wilson

Remotely Located

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

530-651-1736 Office

530-748-9608 Cell

www.remotelylocated.com

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android

[Mike Hammett]

I can't imagine any scenario where I would give up Android for iPhone. 

Especially an IT person. 

Especially a radio person. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason Wilson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:27:41 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: OT: IOS vs Android 









Convince me not to give up my Pixel XL for any version of an iPhone. All of my 
Computers are MacOS. 


Jason 



Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 Office 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com