Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream

[Gerard Dupont]

I just went through this. You can use a symbolic link to move the cache
directory for google drive file stream.

Tutorial here.. https://imgur.com/a/cjScs

Gerard

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:33 PM,  wrote:

> Yes, if you are a Google Drive user you will get nagged to change.
>
> You have two options:
>
> Backup and Sync
> - or -
> Google Drive File Stream
>
> You do NOT want the latter.  It forces your Google Drive on to C: and
> hides it and will not allow you to move it to other drives.
>
> I did not realize there were two totally different products they were
> trying to get everyone to migrate to.  The nag screen just says the legacy
> Google Drive will stop working sometime this year.
>
> So, I uninstalled File Stream, had to search the C drive for files
> modified today, found where it hid the files and am now deleting about 130
> GB of files.
>
> At least my old Google Drive contents on D: are still there and I
> re-downloaded Backup and Sync and it is now bringing that up to sync rather
> than a full transfer.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT google file stream
>
> Everything I have I sync. All copies on all devices (including Google) are
> the same.
>
> Well, for Google Drive. Maybe they have something new now. Product ADD.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 1, 2018 4:41:10 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT google file stream
>
> I made the mistake of switching from backup and sync to google file
> stream.  It wants to put local content on the C drive only.
>
> If you have not made the switch, I would recommend against it.  I am
> trying to undo this.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Gerard Dupont]

Mark,

I'm willing to bet that ZTE or Huawei has more installed units than Zhone
does by several orders of magnitude. Plus with the prices so cheap you can
afford to have spares of everything.

Chuck,

I didn't see your detailed numbers for the AE deployment. What equipment
are you using for that? Don't forget about space/power/cooling requirements
for AE.

This C320 shelf only sips about 100 watts with 7-8 olt ports enabled.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> It is $65 vs my $100 for AE.
>
> So I have to spend $35 more. But I get AE.
> And AE is much simpler.
> Arguably better too.
>
> There is so much cost in construction saving $35/customer is getting into
> that region of diminishing returns.
>
> Perhaps in a year I may change my mind.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 3:58 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Chuck,
>
> But do you really need to get the cost down that low?  I will admit and
> most people on this list that know me will agree, I'm a cheap SOB.  But,
> there is a point where it is worth paying a bit more up front in order to
> sleep better at night.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 4:51:32 PM, you wrote:*
>
> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.
>
> You are using this now?
>
> *From:* Gerard Dupont
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.
>
> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-
> gpon-terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-
> gpon-onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-
> original-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-
> port-wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connector_0391
> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS https://www.fs.com/products/
> 20745.html
> 20M $7.66
> 10M $5.66
> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)
>
> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
> Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024
> customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util.
>
> 32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html
> 32 port bare splitter for splice case $14 https://www.fs.com/products/
> 11528.html
> 8 port bare splitter for splice case $5
>
> None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a few
> hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees.
>
> Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per
> customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC + $15 for NID + $29 for ONT with POTS
> + $10 for 30M pigtail. = ~$65/customer all in for gpon with 8 customers per
> port.
>
> You can use www.SmartOLT.com for web based OLT/ONU management/monitoring
> (tell Adrian I sent you for a discount)
>
> I prefer using GPON for the management capabilities. You can always
> overlay 10GPON on top of your regular GPON network when the time comes to
> upgrade. Just add/change the card in the OLT and add a 2x1 splitter to
> combine both OLT ports into the single fiber. Since they use different
> wavelengths they will coexist over the same fiber. Just install new ONT's.
>
> Gerard
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> ONT Housing (Clam Shell)
> $   29.00
> ONT
> $ 215.00
> Unicam
> $   15.00
> Cyber Power
> $   81.00
> Cyber Install
> $ 110.00
> House Sub Total
> *$ 450.00 *
> OLT $11K/8/32
> $   42.97
> OIM $845/32
> $   38.27
> Splitter $900/32
> $   39.43
> DLC per Sub Subtotal
> *$ 120.67 *
> Electronics/Sub Total Expense
> *$ 570.67 *
>
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Chuck,
>
> Dug up some of my costs on the GPON.  One port with a C+ class laser and a
> 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000.
>
>
> So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 per
> user.  Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for
> electronics.  As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better.  But,
> we are o

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Gerard Dupont]

Chuck,

Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of
several other operators using the same setup now too.

It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality made
unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried.

You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500 shipped.
I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to this Huawei
version. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-
Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_60442562681.html?spm=
a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx

Gerard

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.
>
> You are using this now?
>
> *From:* Gerard Dupont
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.
>
> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon
> -terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-
> onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-o
> riginal-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port
> -wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connector_0391
> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS https://www.fs.com/products/
> 20745.html
> 20M $7.66
> 10M $5.66
> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)
>
> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
> Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024
> customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util.
>
> 32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html
> 32 port bare splitter for splice case $14 https://www.fs.com/products/
> 11528.html
> 8 port bare splitter for splice case $5
>
> None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a few
> hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees.
>
> Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per
> customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC + $15 for NID + $29 for ONT with POTS
> + $10 for 30M pigtail. = ~$65/customer all in for gpon with 8 customers per
> port.
>
> You can use www.SmartOLT.com for web based OLT/ONU management/monitoring
> (tell Adrian I sent you for a discount)
>
> I prefer using GPON for the management capabilities. You can always
> overlay 10GPON on top of your regular GPON network when the time comes to
> upgrade. Just add/change the card in the OLT and add a 2x1 splitter to
> combine both OLT ports into the single fiber. Since they use different
> wavelengths they will coexist over the same fiber. Just install new ONT's.
>
> Gerard
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> ONT Housing (Clam Shell)  $   29.00
>> ONT  $ 215.00
>> Unicam  $   15.00
>> Cyber Power  $   81.00
>> Cyber Install  $ 110.00
>> House Sub Total * $ 450.00 *
>>
>> OLT $11K/8/32  $   42.97
>> OIM $845/32  $   38.27
>> Splitter $900/32  $   39.43
>> DLC per Sub Subtotal * $ 120.67 *
>>
>>
>> Electronics/Sub Total Expense * $ 570.67 *
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Dug up some of my costs on the GPON.  One port with a C+ class laser and
>> a 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000.
>>
>>
>> So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 per
>> user.  Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for
>> electronics.  As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better.  But,
>> we are only talking a different in a few months on the ROI.  Remember we
>> are debating fiber.  I have ONT's out there over 72 months old.  I'm sure
>> Chuck has some at least 2 or 3 years older than that.  I don't plan on any
>> type of major upgrade for several years.
>>
>> But I must stress there is no right answer.  AE vs GPON.  You need to
>> make sure you fully understand both options before making a decision.  Not
>> to mention, you can run both.  We are setup to do AE,  We currently have 2
>> customers on the AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>>
>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Gerard Dupont]

Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.

ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-
gpon-terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-
gpon-onu-with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-
original-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-
port-wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connector_0391
30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS https://www.fs.com/
products/20745.html
20M $7.66
10M $5.66
Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)

ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
$2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024 customers
potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util.

32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html
32 port bare splitter for splice case $14
https://www.fs.com/products/11528.html
8 port bare splitter for splice case $5

None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a few
hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees.

Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per
customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC + $15 for NID + $29 for ONT with POTS
+ $10 for 30M pigtail. = ~$65/customer all in for gpon with 8 customers per
port.

You can use www.SmartOLT.com for web based OLT/ONU management/monitoring
(tell Adrian I sent you for a discount)

I prefer using GPON for the management capabilities. You can always overlay
10GPON on top of your regular GPON network when the time comes to upgrade.
Just add/change the card in the OLT and add a 2x1 splitter to combine both
OLT ports into the single fiber. Since they use different wavelengths they
will coexist over the same fiber. Just install new ONT's.

Gerard


On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> ONT Housing (Clam Shell)  $   29.00
> ONT  $ 215.00
> Unicam  $   15.00
> Cyber Power  $   81.00
> Cyber Install  $ 110.00
> House Sub Total * $ 450.00 *
>
> OLT $11K/8/32  $   42.97
> OIM $845/32  $   38.27
> Splitter $900/32  $   39.43
> DLC per Sub Subtotal * $ 120.67 *
>
>
> Electronics/Sub Total Expense * $ 570.67 *
>
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Chuck,
>
> Dug up some of my costs on the GPON.  One port with a C+ class laser and a
> 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000.
>
>
> So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62 per
> user.  Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for
> electronics.  As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better.  But,
> we are only talking a different in a few months on the ROI.  Remember we
> are debating fiber.  I have ONT's out there over 72 months old.  I'm sure
> Chuck has some at least 2 or 3 years older than that.  I don't plan on any
> type of major upgrade for several years.
>
> But I must stress there is no right answer.  AE vs GPON.  You need to make
> sure you fully understand both options before making a decision.  Not to
> mention, you can run both.  We are setup to do AE,  We currently have 2
> customers on the AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:*
>
> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe
> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and outdoor
> cabinets.
>
> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer.
> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself to
> do PON.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Chuck,
>
> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:*
>
> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
> *To:* Adam Moffett
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> Adam,
>
> There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement
> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
> exceed 20Km."
>
> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long
> stretches of roads between neighborhoods.
>
> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into the
> last 3 

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Gerard Dupont]

I don't know. Didn't get that deep into it. Just threw it on a vm to try it
out.

Gerard

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Can it pull in a BGP feed for more accuracy?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 9:33:15 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS
>
> Right. It pulls a feed from maxmind. I know it's not as accurate. I know.
> I get it. I don't need a speech. lol
>
> Gerard
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Mikrotik netflow doesn't have the AS information, so how is it getting it?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 9:21:55 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS
>>
>> I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a
>> BGP peer like pmacct.
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which
>>> ASes traffic goes.
>>>
>>> What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
>>> routers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems
>>> lot of work to install.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Gerard Dupont]

Right. It pulls a feed from maxmind. I know it's not as accurate. I know. I
get it. I don't need a speech. lol

Gerard

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Mikrotik netflow doesn't have the AS information, so how is it getting it?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, December 18, 2017 9:21:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS
>
> I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a
> BGP peer like pmacct.
>
> Gerard
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>
>> Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which
>> ASes traffic goes.
>>
>> What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
>> routers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot
>> of work to install.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ipfix/netflow with AS

[Gerard Dupont]

I'm testing Elastiflow and it does it on Mikrotik without having to do a
BGP peer like pmacct.

Gerard

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> Just want to do a rework of our uplinks. So I need to see to/from which
> ASes traffic goes.
>
> What is the easiest way to get data visualized from my mikrotik core
> routers.
>
>
>
> Seen pmacct. Contains a bgpd to get the live AS-Information but seems lot
> of work to install.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefan
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[Gerard Dupont III]

Jason,

The CLI is more like a Cisco. It's pretty straight forward. Last time I
asked Chuck to order the active card, our contact in China couldn't get it.
I don't remember why now.  I have a couple test c320 shelves if you want to
poke around with one let me know off list.

Gerard

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:51 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Baltic is asking quite a premium for the ZTE stuff. I may give it a shot
> through the more direct source. How is the CLI? Have you used the active
> card?
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> Yep, it's just about useless in comparison to other things of similar
>> cost like ZTE...which does all the features.
>>
>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:58 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
> Funny, I was just testing a VLAN and it didn't work. Was about to dig more
>>> into it but I'm guessing it's
>>> just not working.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Chris Fabien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.

 I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support
 was zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
 documentation for it yet.


 On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products
> (AirFiber, EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one
> (and for free).
>
> Outside of that? TBD.
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought
>> it.
>> What are they doing different from any other fiber?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
>>
>> Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the
>> beta store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave
>> has an item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the
>> beta store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?
>>
>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?

[Gerard Dupont III]

We have a few of the Ruiyan RY-F600P core alignment fusion splicers from
eBay. They're basic, but get the job done. Perfect for our install techs.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=RY-F600P&_sacat=0

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Couldn't say.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/8/2017 6:35:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>
> Good info, I'm not sure how the 12S compares to the 19S (replacement for
> 18S).
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The spec sheet lists everything in Kit #2.  Charger, cleaver, and
>> carrying case are all on the list.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/8/2017 5:36:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>>
>> Is that with a cleaver and battery? Pretty good price for a fujikura. I
>> paid about twice that for my 18S a few years ago.
>>
>> On Monday, August 7, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> We recently got brand new Fujikura 12S Kit #2 for $3200.
>>> From a vendor, not ebay.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Rob Genovesi" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 8/7/2017 4:01:39 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] fusion splicer recommendations?
>>>
>>> found some info on the list but it was about 2 years ago so I thought
 I'd ping again and see if there's any new info out there.

 Looking for recommendations on the E-bay variety fusion splicers (ie:
 $3-5k)  - wondering what people have tried and liked?  IE the Eloik
 ALK-88 http://www.eloik.org/products/ALK_88.html


 -Rob

>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

[Gerard Dupont III]

Basketball sized limestone rocks either deflect the bit, same as a
pneumatic mole/missile, or the bit will crack the rock and still possibly
deflect. It's not that uncommon to bore half way through and have to pull
out and move over 12" bc of a rock. It's easier/quicker to move than it is
to try to go through a stubborn rock.

We had one yesterday where we hit a limestone shelf and the bit got bound
up and the torque from the machine snapped a drill rod in half. I don't
know what a shale shelf will do. We haven't run into that yet.



On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> What happens when the topsoil contains rocks the size of basketballs?
>
> What happens if it hits a shelf of shale?
>
> They never seem to have that in the demonstration videos.  Google fails to
> answer these questions for me.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Joe" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:54:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We did extensive testing…
>
>
>
> Our LM42 we bought was great with direct burial, but not good with a chute
> for ¾” pipe.
>
> It was reliable, but in harder ground it was an issue – no setting for the
> angle when going shallow.
>
> We even custom built a chute… great concept, but not practical for our
> ground conditions
>
> Single tires with good rubber is OK, duals are better for harder ground.
>
>
>
> *We went with a zahn (mini skidsteer) that is tracked and articulated. *
>
> The angle of the plow can be fully adjusted to the conditions
>
> With a serrated blade, we can easily go through roots… *even a couple
> inches of frozen ground*
>
> We use a “Bullet” style to pull the conduit with a carrot or kellum grip
> (Chinese finger trap)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9JhOQYxbwM
>
> video is for a silt fence, but it gives the idea of why this works very
> well
>
> A team of 2 guys can easily do 5-8 houses in a short day (conduit).
>
> Tracks, and articulation….  Is the secret.  So is slow and constant speed
>
> Rushing the install….. results in stretched/broken conduit.
>
>
>
> We also bought the “mighty mole” attachment for compaction boring under
> cement driveways.
>
> This wasn’t cheap, but it is very effective / clean / fast
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fGpRuNXjnM
>
> make sure to sleeve under driveways with good conduit before pushing
> through fiber or a smaller conduit where needed
>
>
>
> For some of the bigger acreages, we pull in with the RTX1250 and use a
> bullet with 3/4 conduit or chute with 1.5”
>
> The ground disturbance is more, but doing this… it impresses the farmers
> when we are “rolling black coal”
>
>
>
> We also protyped a conduit pressurized with water and a jet where we
> attach a carrot.  The water helps for sure, but at some point… the added
> work for the water/equipment was just a little bit too much to be
> practical.  Another one we looked at was sending a stream of water down the
> plow itself, but then we need the water source moving… and it used a lot of
> water to be effective.  Think of how a big tree mover sends the big knifes
> into the ground easier with water…that was the model we compared it to.
> Very functional… just impractical in practice.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
>
> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
>
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

[Gerard Dupont III]

This is what we do but without the backreamer.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=N_LS6u0BkKY


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 9:47 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Like this one?
>
> http://www.southern-tool.com/store/uw_boring_machines.php
>
>
>
>
> On 3/22/2017 7:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I don’t think I have ever seen this.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 12:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> Chuck you might be thinking of a different process. The compaction boring
> setup is just a small high-torque hydraulic drive on the plow that allows
> you to attach a short drill string. 10ft sections of solid steel shaft
> about 3/4" diameter with a compaction auger head on the end. You just make
> a short trench on one side, lay the bit in the trench and drill it through
> the ground by driving the machine forward. With good aim and a little luck
> you usually end up in a pretty good spot on the other side. Very fast and
> really no extra mess or equipment involved. Much less trouble than hauling
> out a huge compressor trailer.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty
> good job.
> Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
>
> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article
> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct
> device?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>
> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
> articulated machines.
>
> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
> much.
>
> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
> lever style.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

[Gerard Dupont III]

No water is used with these. It uses a tapered dry compaction bit instead
of cutting a hole like the normal HDD rigs do.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> But you have to have water, right?
>
> *From:* Gerard Dupont III
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We use the hell out of the roto witch on our 410sx to cross under
> sidewalks, driveways, and county roads. It doesn't need as large of an
> entry/exit pit as a mole does. It doesn't require us to bring an air
> compressor either.
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty
>> good job.
>> Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>>
>> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
>>
>> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article
>> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct
>> device?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>>
>>
>> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
>>
>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>>
>> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
>> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
>> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
>> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>>
>> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
>> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
>> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
>> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
>> articulated machines.
>>
>> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
>> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
>> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
>> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
>> much.
>>
>> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
>> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
>> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
>> lever style.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>>
>>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>>> useful.
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>>
>>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

[Gerard Dupont III]

We use the hell out of the roto witch on our 410sx to cross under
sidewalks, driveways, and county roads. It doesn't need as large of an
entry/exit pit as a mole does. It doesn't require us to bring an air
compressor either.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yes, if you get them aimed when you are starting them they do a pretty
> good job.
> Easy to transport, setup and use.  No mess compared to boring.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 8:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> I assume you don't mean the type of missile you launch at your enemies.
>
> I googled for "underground cable missile" and I'm directed to an article
> about some kind of pneumatic hammer/boring thing.  Is that the correct
> device?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/22/2017 10:50:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
>
> I think a missile is more useful than the small drill attachments.
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow
>
> We have an older maxi sneaker and pretty happy with it. They are somewhat
> tippy as Chuck stated but if you get the dual tires they help a lot. Ours
> has been rolled down into a ditch once with no damage. Any of these
> machines will tip if you do something stupid.
>
> The LM42 I see used a lot by drop guys around here, it's also an
> articulated machine so quite maneuverable as is the Maxi Sneaker. We can
> plow a drop in through moderately heavy woods and usually can find a way to
> fit through the trees. The 410SX I don't think is as manuverable as the
> articulated machines.
>
> I would recommend getting one with the trencher attachment and the
> drill/bore attachment. We use both fairly regularly. Having a
> digger/excavator is handy but I'm not sure I'd want one on my customer drop
> machine. I would recommend a separate mini excavator if you need one that
> much.
>
> That maxi you sent the pic of has been repainted so you can't see what
> model, but the control levers are the newer style. I'm not sure how new
> exactly but ours are early 80s machines and they have the older control
> lever style.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
>> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
>> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>>
>> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
>> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
>> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
>> useful.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>>
>> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
>> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

Gino,

It's comparable to what you get from an APC management card. I haven't
found a SNMP MIB yet, but I was able to figure out the OID's I needed.. I
can let you poke around the interface if you want. Contact me offlist.

Gerard





On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Thanks Gerard! What kind of management interface does the rectifier has?
>
> btw: you guys have any bitcoin left and sold recently?
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gerard Dupont <
> ger...@shelbybb.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 3:18 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
> 1xC320 Chassis
> 1xSMXA/3 10G main control board (SMXA/1 for 1G uplinks only)
> 1xPRAM AC Power Supply/battery charger board
> 1xGTGH 16port OLT board
> 16xC++ OLT SFP Modules
> 1xFan tray
> +Power Cords
>
> This leaves a free slot which you can install a 16 port GPON or EPON board
> or a 24 port SFP board for 48 AE customers using CSFP modules.
>
> If you already have +/- 48volt available, you can get a second SMXA
> instead of the PRAM and have redundant control boards and more uplink
> capacity.
>
> Did anyone else get an email from a ZTE sales rep after posting on this
> thread?
>
> Gerard
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
>> Gerad, got a part number list to share?
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gerard Dupont <
>> ger...@shelbybb.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 8:17 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>> Custom scripts that use the cli and snmp. For our latest build we are
>> trying Ikarus. (Ikarus has the functionality, but I hate the web interface.
>> Trying to get them to redesign it for us.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:39 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What tools are you using for management?
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2017 10:01 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> Nothing I have requires any additional fees. I'm not using their
>>> management system and I don't have any support at all. Yes, from a seller
>>> we originally found on Alibaba.
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gerard,
>>> Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses
>>> for this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT,
>>> etc. Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you
>>> buying them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the
>>> licenscing/server software?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8
>>> port card.
>>>
>>> We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco
>>> batteries or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a
>>> PRAM and do AC directly inside the C320.
>>>
>>> There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
>>> uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
>>> SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
>>> of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>>>
>>> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-
>>> OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR=p
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Ge

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

Jason,

No there isn't a web interface for what I have. I don't know what's
available from ZTE USA.

I'm testing a third party web based management software called Ikarus.
http://www.ztegpon.com/index.php?page=ikarus

Gerard


On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I received an email.
>
> So there is no web-based administration? Command line would suffice if
> that was available, but I'm not interested in writing my own management
> system at this juncture.
>
> Looking at the numbers I still feel that active is more suited to my
> deployment unless I needed to shoehorn a group of customers onto limited
> fiber.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2017, Gerard Dupont III <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> 1xC320 Chassis
>> 1xSMXA/3 10G main control board (SMXA/1 for 1G uplinks only)
>> 1xPRAM AC Power Supply/battery charger board
>> 1xGTGH 16port OLT board
>> 16xC++ OLT SFP Modules
>> 1xFan tray
>> +Power Cords
>>
>> This leaves a free slot which you can install a 16 port GPON or EPON
>> board or a 24 port SFP board for 48 AE customers using CSFP modules.
>>
>> If you already have +/- 48volt available, you can get a second SMXA
>> instead of the PRAM and have redundant control boards and more uplink
>> capacity.
>>
>> Did anyone else get an email from a ZTE sales rep after posting on this
>> thread?
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gerad, got a part number list to share?
>>>
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gerard Dupont <
>>> ger...@shelbybb.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 8:17 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>> Custom scripts that use the cli and snmp. For our latest build we are
>>> trying Ikarus. (Ikarus has the functionality, but I hate the web interface.
>>> Trying to get them to redesign it for us.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:39 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What tools are you using for management?
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2017 10:01 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing I have requires any additional fees. I'm not using their
>>>>> management system and I don't have any support at all. Yes, from a seller
>>>>> we originally found on Alibaba.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Gerard,
>>>>>> Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software
>>>>>> licenses for this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, 
>>>>>> $5.50
>>>>>> per ONT, etc. Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? 
>>>>>> Are
>>>>>> you buying them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the
>>>>>> licenscing/server software?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III <
>>>>>> ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO
>>>>>>> 8 port card.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco
>>>>>>> batteries or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards 
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> PRAM and do AC directly inside the C320.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the
>>>>>>> SMXA uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 
>>>>>>> 1G.
>>>>>>> Card SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the 
>>>>>>> ETP4830-A1,
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

1xC320 Chassis
1xSMXA/3 10G main control board (SMXA/1 for 1G uplinks only)
1xPRAM AC Power Supply/battery charger board
1xGTGH 16port OLT board
16xC++ OLT SFP Modules
1xFan tray
+Power Cords

This leaves a free slot which you can install a 16 port GPON or EPON board
or a 24 port SFP board for 48 AE customers using CSFP modules.

If you already have +/- 48volt available, you can get a second SMXA instead
of the PRAM and have redundant control boards and more uplink capacity.

Did anyone else get an email from a ZTE sales rep after posting on this
thread?

Gerard

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Gerad, got a part number list to share?
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gerard Dupont <
> ger...@shelbybb.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 8:17 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
> Custom scripts that use the cli and snmp. For our latest build we are
> trying Ikarus. (Ikarus has the functionality, but I hate the web interface.
> Trying to get them to redesign it for us.)
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:39 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What tools are you using for management?
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2017 10:01 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Nothing I have requires any additional fees. I'm not using their
>> management system and I don't have any support at all. Yes, from a seller
>> we originally found on Alibaba.
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gerard,
>> Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses
>> for this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT,
>> etc. Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you
>> buying them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the
>> licenscing/server software?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8
>> port card.
>>
>> We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
>> or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
>> do AC directly inside the C320.
>>
>> There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
>> uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
>> SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
>> of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>>
>> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-
>> ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.
>> 7724838.0.0.zODsrR=p
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>>
>> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>
>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
>> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
>> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
>> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
>> split.  Check Alibaba.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

Custom scripts that use the cli and snmp. For our latest build we are
trying Ikarus. (Ikarus has the functionality, but I hate the web interface.
Trying to get them to redesign it for us.)


On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:39 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> What tools are you using for management?
>
> On Mar 8, 2017 10:01 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Nothing I have requires any additional fees. I'm not using their
> management system and I don't have any support at all. Yes, from a seller
> we originally found on Alibaba.
>
> Gerard
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
> Gerard,
> Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses
> for this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT,
> etc. Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you
> buying them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the
> licenscing/server software?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III <ger...@shelbybb.com>
> wrote:
>
> That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
> card.
>
> We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
> or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
> do AC directly inside the C320.
>
> There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
> uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
> SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
> of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>
>
> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR=p
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>
> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
> some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
> again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at 

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

Chris,

Nothing I have requires any additional fees. I'm not using their management
system and I don't have any support at all. Yes, from a seller we
originally found on Alibaba.

Gerard


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:05 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

Gerard,
Looking at Baltic's website they seem to sell several software licenses for
this ZTE GPON equipment. Like $50 per PON Port license, $5.50 per ONT, etc.
Also $2100 for some server software. Are these required? Are you buying
them on AliBaba? Or does it somehow work without the licenscing/server
software?

Thanks
Chris

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Gerard Dupont III <ger...@shelbybb.com>
wrote:

That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
card.

We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
do AC directly inside the C320.

There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?

https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR=p

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...

I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

Interesting …. do they work ok?

I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.


On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
split.  Check Alibaba.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
another OLT if needed.

On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.

On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.


Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.


I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?


The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.


AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
again, lots of power is required.


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.


*From:* Carlos Alcantar

*Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.



Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
http://www.race.com

--

*From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <
george.sko...@cbcast.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones and
watching Netflix.

The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
card.

We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
do AC directly inside the C320.

There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>
> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-
> ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.
> 7724838.0.0.zODsrR=p
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>>
>> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Interesting …. do they work ok?

 I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably
 more than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total
 junk in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.


 On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

 I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and
 Power Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
 split.  Check Alibaba.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
>
>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in
>> cabinets.
>>
>>
>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>> future.
>>
>>
>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>
>>
>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>
>>
>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry 
>> that
>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  
>> All
>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>
>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>
>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>> http://www.race.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell
>> phones and watching Netflix.
>>
>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 1000 SM looping ethernet port after Storm

[Gerard Dupont III]

We've had this happen a couple times after lightning. We have SM isolation
turned on.

On Thursday, November 3, 2016, Justin Marshall  wrote:

> I've seen this issue multiple times
>
> FWIW, the SM isolation did not help in my experiences with this issue
>
> I've even opened a ticket with cambium, but they say they are unable to
> re-produce the issue
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Nate
> Burke
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP 1000 SM looping ethernet port after Storm
>
> I've had this happen twice now, so it's more than just a 1 off. Both have
> happened in lightening storms.  If you have weird things happening after a
> storm, this would be a place to start looking.
>
> Symptom: Random loss of network connectivity (RF stays up) to most Sm's
> off of an AP, and/or network switch reporting port loop.
>
> Cause: A 1000 Series connectorised SM could add the MAC addresses of any
> other devices on the AP/switch to it's local bridge table.  This will cause
> random loss of connectivity to any other SM/CPE connected to the same AP.
> Usually network connectivity can be solidly maintained to this single SM
> over the RF link.  The Ethernet link will not pass any traffic, but will
> have a lot of MAC entries on port LAN or Unknown under
> Monitor>Network>Bridge Table  These will all be MAC addresses from other
> SM/CPE devices on the AP.
>
> Remedy: Disabling the Ethernet port on the problem SM will solve the
> issue until the SM is replaced.  There has been NO damage to the CPE
> device in ether case I have encountered, replacing the SM was the only
> action taken.
>
> Notes: I realized that I do not have SM Traffic Isolation enabled at the
> AP, I do not know if this would prevent the issue or not.  I have this
> bad SM labeled, If I can get some free time, I my try it on the bench to
> see if that setting would prevent it from affecting other radios.
>
> Hopefully this will help others cut their troubleshooting time.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] IBM g8124 locked optics

[Gerard Dupont III]

Faisal sent me this a while back for those. Works on the G8264 also.

=
For 3rd party SFP's to work in IBM switches

To set/reset SFP override, from the console port, start a reload of
the switch, when it says memory test and starts putting periods up on
the display, press the "shift-m" key combination several times, and it
will boot into a "=>" prompt
At the "=>" prompt enter the following (note the "O" in "Override" is
case sensitive):

setenv sfp Override
saveenv <<< This is necessary to save the setting to NVRAM to survive a PoR
printenv <<< this is to check to make sure the variable is set
boot
==

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Anyone have experience with sfp compatibility?
>
> I just stupidly ordered a bunch of transceivers from fiberstore before
> doing research and now I'm seeing that some models are vendor locked 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rancid and netonix

[Gerard Dupont III]

I just migrated our Rancid over to Oxidized and I'm loving it. It
supports the same router.db file used by rancid plus http/sql input.
It has a built in web interface and uses git for versioning.

https://github.com/ytti/oxidized



On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 8:54 PM, SmarterBroadband
 wrote:
> Does anyone have a working Rancid backup script for Netonix switches they
> would share.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy SNMP AP

[Gerard Dupont III]

This will show all of the connected ESN's.
snmpwalk -v2c -cCanopy  1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.3

The last number in the returned oid is the LUID

This will show all of the management IP's based on LUID.
snmpwalk -v2c -cCanopy  1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.69

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Matt  wrote:
> Is there a command to send the AP to obtain the management IP address
> of a connected SM?

Re: [AFMUG] Traco competition for Mean Well RSD?

[Gerard Dupont III]

Just realized that was DC-DC. For those we use the Traco TMDC 60-4824
or TMDC 60-4848.

http://assets.tracopower.com/20160817133249/TMDC60/documents/tmdc60-datasheet.pdf

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Gerard Dupont III <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
> We primarily use Traco now. We use the TSP 360-124 and TSP BCM24. They
> are approx $300 for the pair. The nice thing is they have a temp probe
> to help keep from boiling the batteries.
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> https://psui.com/product/teq-300wir/
>> https://psui.com/wp-content/uploads/products/Traco%20Power/DataSheets/teq300wir.pdf
>>
>> Unfortunately the prices (even assuming a discount) look prohibitive.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco competition for Mean Well RSD?

[Gerard Dupont III]

We primarily use Traco now. We use the TSP 360-124 and TSP BCM24. They
are approx $300 for the pair. The nice thing is they have a temp probe
to help keep from boiling the batteries.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> https://psui.com/product/teq-300wir/
> https://psui.com/wp-content/uploads/products/Traco%20Power/DataSheets/teq300wir.pdf
>
> Unfortunately the prices (even assuming a discount) look prohibitive.
>

Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net

[Gerard Dupont III]

Jay, Our routing is a bit messed up right now. We turned up 10g to Atlanta
through our Brocade yesterday but the speedtest subnet isn't being
routed through
that system yet.

Gerard

On Friday, June 24, 2016, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
>
> so we have a gig backbone connection - finally purchased a "semi recent"
> computer that should be able to handle a descent speedtest.  fastest we've
> gotten is like 660 meg on the epb fiber optic in chattanooga.  anyone know
> of a test on speedtest.net where we should be able to get nearly the full
> gig?
>
> i see my neighbors shelby broadband and jmf solutions on there but still
> get faster speeds from chattanooga...
>
> thanks in advance ;)
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controller

[Gerard Dupont III]

I have one sitting on my desk that's still in the bag/box. Pre ordered
it and never did anything with it once it came in. Give me whatever you
think is fair and I'll get it shipped tomorrow.

Gerard

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> yes
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
>> Did Forrest discontinue it!?
>>
>> On 5/24/2016 6:57 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone has units for sale?
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] SM Isolation Question

[Gerard Dupont III]

On our fiber network I use port isolation and mac forced forwarding(not
available in MikroTik) to accomplish layer2 isolation but still allow
client to client unicast traffic.

Proxy arp is as close to MACFF as you can get in MikroTik. I think you
should be able to use option 2 if you use a different vlan per customer
site(use the default vlan setting in each canopy SM so each site has
a unique vlan) then enable proxy arp for each vlan in your router. I don't
remember if you have to have an ip on the vlan for it to work or not. If
it doesn't work try adding an ip on each vlan. So you don't waste ips you
can use point to point addressing. IE address=routerip/32
network=customerIpForThisVlan. You might be able to get by with some static
arp entries instead of adding an ip to each vlan. I'm not sure how MikroTik
handles that.

I suck at explaining myself so I hope this makes sense. You can contact me
offlist if you want to chat/talk about it.

Gerard


On Tuesday, May 24, 2016, Craig Schmaderer > wrote:

> Example:
>
> I have a 450 Access Point that has 3 sms belonging to one company with 3
> sites.
>
> This client wants to have vpns between all locations.  They are all on the
> same layer 2 network (same vlan)
>
>
>
> Options and expected outcomes
>
> · Disable SM Isolation (the default selection). This allows full
> communication between SMs.
>
> -  Works fine, all traffic can pass, Expected…..
>
>
>
> · Enable Option 1 - Block SM destined packets from being forwarded. This
> prevents both multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication.
>
> -  Doesn’t work, can establish connections between sms.
> Expected……
>
>
>
> · Enable Option 2 - Forward SM destined packets upstream. This not only
> prevents multicast/broadcast and unicast SM-to-SM communication but also
> sends the packets, which otherwise may have been handled SM to SM, through
> the Ethernet port of the AP.
>
> -  Doesn’t work, I thought this would work, I assumed all packets
> would be sent upstream to the router than the router would send it back to
> the clients, similar to how mac forced forwarding works on my fiber
> network.
>
>
>
> So I guess my question is “Am I totally miss understanding what option 2
> does?  Is the only possible way to allow vpn traffic between sms on the
> same access points have to have “Disable SM Isolation set?”
>
>
>
> Thanks, Craig.
>
>
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mini split A/C

[Gerard Dupont III]

The ones we have (Mitsubishi and "Trane") both run without the remotes. The
"Trane" has a small LCD and buttons so you can control without the remote.
The Mitsubishi has buttons also, but I don't remember what all it allows
you to change.

The remotes can be used as remote thermostats if you chose to enable it. We
just have the remotes mounted to the wall and forget they are even there.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I was looking at mini split air conditioners.  I'm pretty annoyed now that
> they all seem to have wireless remotes.
>
> Do they continue running if the batteries die in the remote control?  I'm
> ok if I just need to change batteries to change settings, but some text in
> the manuals seems to imply that the remote doubles as the thermostat.
>
> Do *any* of them allow me to hook up a wired thermostat?  Sorry, I'm a
> grumpy old man and I want some wires for my thermostat.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AT Long Lines

[Gerard Dupont III]

Did the list scrub the attachment? Link maybe?

Thanks,
Gerard

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I recently came across this KML file online. It's KML/KMZ format for
> Google Earth.
>
> I thought I knew where all the notable towers in WA state were, but turns
> out I was missing a few on my previously self-made AT Long Lines map.
> Kudos to whoever put this together.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

[Gerard Dupont III]

I'm successfully peering with people who have a 32bit ASN. Not using one
myself though.

On Saturday, January 16, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I'm running one of those new fancy routerboard CCR 1072 routers on
> RouterOS 6.33.1.
>
> If I use my 32 bit BGP AS number the remote says Bad Remote AS.
> If I fake one around 65010 then it establishes a connection.
>
> Is this my problem or theirs?
>
> They are using Brocade MLXe code 5.8.
>
> Anyone else established a succesfull BGP with 32 bit AS number on routeros?
>
> Just want to try and narrow this down before I blame their Brocade for
> being complete junk, hahaha!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Gerard Dupont III]

We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate
controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using cheap
chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are
mostly MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs.

Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l firmware.

I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been solid.

We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be installing
them.

Gerard

On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup  wrote:

> Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports?
> Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on the
> CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up
> their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they want
> active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why not
> do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge of
> designing the core network inside their box of requirements.
>
> On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> Excellent. Thanks.
>>
>> On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote:
>>
>>> We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis.
>>> It's never given us any trouble.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting George Skorup :
>>>
>>> I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has used
 this Planet switch?
 http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441

 Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some cheap
 single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the project
 rolling. Such as:
 http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html

 Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens.



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Gerard Dupont III]

They're cheap and have good support. No random issues like other vendors
we've tried. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather use calix or one of the
big names, but I can't make the numbers work for the small wireless
fed residential builds we keep doing.

No they don't have a path to NG-PON2 that I'm aware of. I'm not worried
about that right now though since we are wirelessly feeding all of the
neighborhoods.

On Friday, January 15, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> What's so great about them over other vendors? Also, do they have a path
> to NG-PON2?
> On Jan 15, 2016 9:09 PM, "Gerard Dupont III" <ger...@shelbybb.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ger...@shelbybb.com');>> wrote:
>
>> We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place.
>> Plan on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though.
>>
>> On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');>> wrote:
>>
>>> What are you using for GPON now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet switches
>>> in active.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gerard Dupont
>>> III
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate
>>> controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using cheap
>>> chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are
>>> mostly MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l firmware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been solid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be
>>> installing them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports?
>>> Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on the
>>> CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up
>>> their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they want
>>> active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why not
>>> do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge of
>>> designing the core network inside their box of requirements.
>>>
>>> On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent. Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis.
>>> It's never given us any trouble.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>:
>>>
>>> I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has used
>>> this Planet switch?
>>> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441
>>>
>>> Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some cheap
>>> single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the project
>>> rolling. Such as:
>>> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html
>>>
>>> Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

[Gerard Dupont III]

We're doing Alphion now. We also have Dasan and ZTE systems in place. Plan
on migrating them to Alphion sometime this year though.

On Friday, January 15, 2016, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> What are you using for GPON now?
>
>
>
> I’m starting to use some of the higher density 48 port Planet switches in
> active.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Gerard
> Dupont III
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 7:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F
>
>
>
> We have a few of those in place for a couple years now in non climate
> controlled cabinets. This will be the third winter. We're just using cheap
> chinese bidi optics. Some from fiberstore. Customer sides are
> mostly MikroTik 2011 or rb260gs.
>
>
>
> Had some minor issues early on but they were fixed in later l firmware.
>
>
>
> I can't remember the last time I had to touch them. They've been solid.
>
>
>
> We've moved to gpon for any new builds or I'd probably still be installing
> them.
>
>
>
> Gerard
>
> On Friday, January 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');>> wrote:
>
> Derp, I forgot. What do you have on the other end of the ports?
> Routerboards with bidi SFPs? We're not sure what we're going to do on the
> CPE end yet. It's a multi party venture and those guys haven't made up
> their minds yet, other than each premise will have a pair and they want
> active ethernet. I mentioned GPON and was told no. So then I said why not
> do bidi and basically heard crickets. So whatever, I'm just in charge of
> designing the core network inside their box of requirements.
>
> On 1/15/2016 8:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Excellent. Thanks.
>
> On 1/15/2016 8:05 PM, Craig Baird wrote:
>
> We have this exact switch in service right now with Fiberstore BiDis.
> It's never given us any trouble.
>
> Craig
>
>
> Quoting George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','geo...@cbcast.com');>>:
>
> I'm working on a fiber project and was wondering if anyone else has used
> this Planet switch?
> http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48441
>
> Is Planet picky about SFP modules? I was planing on ordering some cheap
> single mode modules from Fiber Store to use with this and get the project
> rolling. Such as:
> http://www.fs.com/1-25-gbps-gige-1000base-lx-lh-1310nm-20km-dom-industrial-temp-lc-smf-sfp-transceiver-p-37258.html
>
> Already ordered the switch, so we'll see what happens.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave management traffic won't route

[Gerard Dupont III]

Masquerade traffic going to the management ip to work around the problem.
Ex /ip firewall nat add chain=srcnat dst-address=
action=masq;

On Sunday, November 29, 2015, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I have a couple 23ghz horizon compacts on one subnet of our network and
> they show the same symptom that you describe.  Dragonwave support told me
> it's something with my router or subnet (even though everything else works
> and responds just fine)  I finally gave up and I have a computer I can
> remote into if I need to access those radios.
>
> If you find a solution I'd love to know what it is...its been driving me
> nuts for literally years.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015, Chris Wright  > wrote:
>
>> I’m currently dealing with a Dragonwave backhaul giving me grief.  Every
>> other device on the tower works great save for the one backhaul which is
>> unreachable unless you’re on the same subnet. APs and CPEs on the tower can
>> ping it, the router at the tower can ping it, and I can ping everything on
>> the tower except it.  The address/gateway/subnet mask are all correct, and
>> I can verify icmp packets make it all the way to the router to which they
>> are both connected via a L2 switch.  In-band management is in use. Anyone
>> run into this before?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x115
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PLEX

[Gerard Dupont III]

Not directly, but it supports devices such as Tablo via its plugin/channel
system.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> So I hear some of you suggesting PLEX. does PLEX have some kind of channel
> guide ala Dish or Direct it can use with an OTA antenna?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless AC router with DUAL WAN

[Gerard Dupont III]

I can't comment about other brands, but I know the Asus lineup supports
dual wan.

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a decent Wireless AC router with dual Wan ports
> for provider redundancy?
>
> Can't seem to find anything.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless AC router with DUAL WAN

[Gerard Dupont III]

I'm pretty sure their entire product line supports it. Even the low end
AC52.

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Yeah, just saw that.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/RT-AC68U-Wireless-AC1900-Dual-Band-Gigabit-Router/dp/B00FB45SI4/
>
>
>
> This appears to be one of them.
>
>
>
> Do more have this feature of dual WAN? Or just this one?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Gerard
> Dupont III
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless AC router with DUAL WAN
>
>
>
> I can't comment about other brands, but I know the Asus lineup supports
> dual wan.
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');>> wrote:
>
> Is there such a thing as a decent Wireless AC router with dual Wan ports
> for provider redundancy?
>
> Can't seem to find anything.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] MGSW-28240F Planet Switch Copper Connection

[Gerard Dupont III]

Yes copper SFP work. They also have some copper ports on them too.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2015, Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote:

 Hey guys,

 Will this switch accept copper SFP's for the backhauls that don't yet have
 fiber interfaces like AirFibers? This seems like a nice switch and while we
 would use some ports for fiber, we would have as many for copper
 connections as well and can't tell from the spec sheet if it will interface
 with SFP's that put out RJ45 connections.

 Thanks

 --
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 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why?

[Gerard Dupont III]

When we were at the FTTH show a couple years ago they were showing these
for enterprise.
https://svnw1.tellabs.com/library/enterprise/products/ont-series/Tellabs_100_Series_Mini_Optical_Network_Terminals_(ONTs).pdf



On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   I agree.  Does such a creature exist?

  *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:01 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why?

  Do they have just a standard PON box at each desktop? If so, that's
 critically stupid. PON to the wall is friggin dumb. PON to an SFP in the
 machine is what they should be doing.



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 *From: *Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:44:14 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why?

 If the Desktop NIC can talk directly to the PON, that totally makes
 sense.  But why run PON to the wall/Cube just to terminate into RJ45 that
 you still have to power?  And you're still going to have Wifi AP's/VoIP
 handsets that will require power at the endpoint (one could argue, at every
 desk that has a PON connection), which unless they have some magic, I don't
 think can be powered via Fiber.  Tellabs seems to be pushing PON to the
 Wall, I haven't seen any mention of PON to the desktop in the literature
 (the little that I looked at on the Tellabs site).  I understand how a
 proposal can be presented so that that the 'suits' will be really impressed
 to near wetting themselves with $1000's of savings, but from an actual
 usage standpoint, I seems like it still has some hurdles to overcome.
 Remember, this is a corporate LAN environment, where you control everything
 down to the Users PC experience, not a BYOD to plug into a PON.




 On 6/23/2015 10:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 PON to the desktop would only have active gear in the NOC and in the
 device. Everything between is passive.



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 *From: *Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com n...@blastcomm.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:16:36 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why?

 But Why?  I understand Long haul PON for FTTH, to conserve miles and miles
 of trunk fiber, but why in a building?  Instead of having a single device
 (a switch) you now have active hardware all over the building to manage and
 maintain (And power).


 On 6/23/2015 10:08 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 PON looks to be where people are going for fiber to the desktop.



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 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com

 https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
 https://twitter.com/mdwestix
 --
 *From: *Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com n...@blastcomm.com
 *To: *Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:49:14 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Indoor GPON - Why?

 We just had a new public library built here in town.  The entire LAN
 infrastructure is built on PON using the Tellabs ONT's.
 http://www01.tellabs.com/products/tellabs1100ont.shtml  I've briefly
 looked around their site, and read some case studies, but Why would you
 choose PON infrastructure in a single building?  From what I can tell,
 you still have to run CAT 5 to the ONT for power, and the 4 port units
 (which I saw several around the library) have a wall-wort and a power
 switch.  I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the concept, other
 than someone make a slick presentation, and someone else got a nice
 payoff.  I wouldn't be surprised of the Latter, every single 120v outlet
 in the building is a 20A duplex receptacle with USB Ports (~$30 each)

Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers

[Gerard Dupont III]

Steve,

Another option is to signup as a speedtest host for Visual Ware's
MyConnection Server suite of tests. They give you an option to buy one of
their small testing devices which you can then give to a customer and have
it run any of MCS tests in an automated fashion. There is also an option
for installing the automated software on the customers computer.

http://www.myconnectionserver.com/learnmore/quality.html

Gerard

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Im dealing with a customer with what appears to be a legitimate complaint
 of slowness, high latency.

 The biggest problem is its happenning at night so its not like we can go
 to his house and troubleshoot. The issue doesnt appear to be visible in any
 of our monitoring, but we are limited to viewing from this end and not his

 I had him download pingplotter and leave it running to a specific IP so
 show us his outbound path when this is going on, but so far it hasnt
 resulted in anything useful.

 I do have an air router set up as a monitoring bridge between his 450 and
 his router from when we were troubleshooting his 2.4 fsk before we switch
 him to 3.65. As far as I can tell this isnt a radio issue, hes always 8x/8x

 Is there any custom load to drop into this air router that would give me
 some tools like iperf or any other nifty networking tools that would give
 me the equivalent of a console at his house to troubleshoot from?

 We have a bunch of old thin clients laying around here I have considered
 dropping some lightweight linux onto for a drop in toolset, is anyone aware
 of any specific load for that purpose?

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers

[Gerard Dupont III]

If you signup to be a speedtest server for them, it's free except for the
device which is a few hundred.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 4:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 holy cats, thats pricey, but much worth looking into, thanks!!

 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.com
 wrote:

 Steve,

 Another option is to signup as a speedtest host for Visual Ware's
 MyConnection Server suite of tests. They give you an option to buy one of
 their small testing devices which you can then give to a customer and have
 it run any of MCS tests in an automated fashion. There is also an option
 for installing the automated software on the customers computer.

 http://www.myconnectionserver.com/learnmore/quality.html

 Gerard

 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Im dealing with a customer with what appears to be a legitimate
 complaint of slowness, high latency.

 The biggest problem is its happenning at night so its not like we can go
 to his house and troubleshoot. The issue doesnt appear to be visible in any
 of our monitoring, but we are limited to viewing from this end and not his

 I had him download pingplotter and leave it running to a specific IP so
 show us his outbound path when this is going on, but so far it hasnt
 resulted in anything useful.

 I do have an air router set up as a monitoring bridge between his 450
 and his router from when we were troubleshooting his 2.4 fsk before we
 switch him to 3.65. As far as I can tell this isnt a radio issue, hes
 always 8x/8x

 Is there any custom load to drop into this air router that would give me
 some tools like iperf or any other nifty networking tools that would give
 me the equivalent of a console at his house to troubleshoot from?

 We have a bunch of old thin clients laying around here I have considered
 dropping some lightweight linux onto for a drop in toolset, is anyone aware
 of any specific load for that purpose?

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor GPON ONT POE powered

[Gerard Dupont III]

What about something like this?
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=POE-MSPLT-4812

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   The ones I use take about 8 watts.  But that is at 12 volts.  So pretty
 high current for CAT 5.

  *From:* CARL PETERSON cpeter...@portnetworks.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:46 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Outdoor GPON ONT POE powered

 Does anyone make a POE powered outdoor GPON ONT?  My thinking on this
 would be that it would be much easier to DEMARC the fiber on the outside of
 the house and then power the ONT via POE like we do for a CSM install.

 Carl Peterson
 *PORT NETWORKS*

Re: [AFMUG] wholesale voip termination

[Gerard Dupont III]

For Termination I recommend SipRoutes/ThinQ or FlowRoute.

For Origination(DID's) I recommend Voip Innovations or Momentum.

Voip Innovations has a $250/mo minimum per month, I don't know about
Momentum.

Hope that helps.
Gerard

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:

 Guys

 I am currently looking for wholesale voip termination with did’s
 /sip/numbers who is the best out there that works with asterisk server?



 Tim

Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!

[Gerard Dupont III]

https://www.mail-archive.com/af@afmug.com/

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Steve,



 I just searched for threads going back two weeks and don’t find any of it
 on google.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Wireless Admin
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry
 



 I post a question here today about CNUT working with ePMP. 10 minutes
 later I did a Google search on the subject and my message was already
 indexed by Google (top of the list)  for the world to see.



 This can’t be good ……

 Steve

Re: [AFMUG] Planet GEPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

~4000 for 8 port OLT from Dasan which is Gpon(2.5g down) and not GEpon (1g
down).

Gerard

On Monday, February 9, 2015, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  Any other price comparisons? How much for the Zhone? Calix?



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



   From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
 af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 Date: Monday, February 9, 2015 at 11:04 AM
 To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
 af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet GEPON

   Google Shopping has it at $2,700.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');
 *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Sent: *Monday, February 9, 2015 9:01:51 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Planet GEPON

 How many Greckle$?


 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 2/9/2015 6:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

  Anyone tried the Plane OLT?

  *EPL-2000*
 http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=45442#ov



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
 @aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] google earth pro free

[Gerard Dupont III]

If you got the error Error! Your sign up can not be completed due to We're
sorry. We are experiencing technical difficulties. Please try again later.
then just keep submitting the form, it took me about 6 tries.


Gerard

On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, this is a very nice gift from Google. Amusingly this license didn't
 work for me as Google still had a Google Earth Plus license (cost $20 a
 long time ago) attached to my e-mail address and wouldn't put on the free
 Google Earth Pro license.

 On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:15 PM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com
 wrote:

  anyone seen this yet
 https://www.google.com/work/mapsearth/products/earthpro.html
  Now I can easily import my plots per tower site or per sector.
 Thank you google :)

 --

Re: [AFMUG] 350 E. Cermak

[Gerard Dupont III]

Erich,

Still working with them, but moving forward anyway. We are going direct to
the equinix fabric at 10G. I haven't looked at connecting with SC. Was
waiting until we got the fabric going before I turned up any transit
connections.

I have a MicroNOC 9400 with 10gig interfaces and an IBM 8124E 10g switch
there for now.


On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
wrote:

 Did you guys get your Windstream issues resolved?  Are you going to peer
 with SC, or are you going direct to the fabirc?  What equipment will you
 have onsite, if this is something you want to discuss offlist, just send me
 an email.  I emailed Chuck about a week ago and have not heard back.

 Thanks!

 Erich

 erich at northcentraltower dot com

 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ger...@shelbybb.com'); wrote:

 Erich,

 Yes, We are in CTI's space.

 Gerard

 On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com'); wrote:

 I think it makes sense if people talk before deploying new cabinets and
 upstreams, instead of throwing money away.  just my opinion

 Gerard are you guys in the Server Central Cage?  I know CTI has cabinets
 there.  From a transport port perspective, some of us are thinking of
 x-connecting to Server Central.

 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower Consulting
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291

 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.com
 wrote:

 We're there. Still working on getting the exchange port turned up
 though. We'll be at the fispa, animal farm, and wispamerica shows if anyone
 wants to talk.

 Gerard

 On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 There is some grouping happening now, but no great love fest yet.

 Hoping to get the rest hashed out at WISPAmerica.

 I got too busy to keep organizing things and in the meantime, not a
 lot of traction has been made (no blaming going on, WISPs are hard to
 organize and usually avoid\disagree with lawyers). In the meantime, a few
 of us have just gone there anyway.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:20:59 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 350 E. Cermak

 I have been looking into it, getting transport quotes etc, but the
 lack of response from the wispa appointed coordinator leaves me wondering
 what exactly im plugging into there.

 Are you guys all just getting your own rack space and peering
 connections or is there some group actually sharing facilities currently?
 On Jan 10, 2015 12:00 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Who of you is already there?

 Who of you has a set schedule for being there?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 --

 Gerard




 --

 Gerard




-- 

Gerard

Re: [AFMUG] 350 E. Cermak

[Gerard Dupont III]

Erich,

Yes, We are in CTI's space.

Gerard

On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
wrote:

 I think it makes sense if people talk before deploying new cabinets and
 upstreams, instead of throwing money away.  just my opinion

 Gerard are you guys in the Server Central Cage?  I know CTI has cabinets
 there.  From a transport port perspective, some of us are thinking of
 x-connecting to Server Central.

 Erich Kaiser
 North Central Tower Consulting
 er...@northcentraltower.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','er...@northcentraltower.com');
 Office: 630-621-4804
 Cell: 630-777-9291

 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ger...@shelbybb.com'); wrote:

 We're there. Still working on getting the exchange port turned up though.
 We'll be at the fispa, animal farm, and wispamerica shows if anyone wants
 to talk.

 Gerard

 On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 There is some grouping happening now, but no great love fest yet.

 Hoping to get the rest hashed out at WISPAmerica.

 I got too busy to keep organizing things and in the meantime, not a lot
 of traction has been made (no blaming going on, WISPs are hard to organize
 and usually avoid\disagree with lawyers). In the meantime, a few of us have
 just gone there anyway.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:20:59 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 350 E. Cermak

 I have been looking into it, getting transport quotes etc, but the lack
 of response from the wispa appointed coordinator leaves me wondering what
 exactly im plugging into there.

 Are you guys all just getting your own rack space and peering
 connections or is there some group actually sharing facilities currently?
 On Jan 10, 2015 12:00 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Who of you is already there?

 Who of you has a set schedule for being there?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 --

 Gerard




-- 

Gerard

[AFMUG] 350 E. Cermak

[Gerard Dupont III]

We're there. Still working on getting the exchange port turned up though.
We'll be at the fispa, animal farm, and wispamerica shows if anyone wants
to talk.

Gerard

On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 There is some grouping happening now, but no great love fest yet.

 Hoping to get the rest hashed out at WISPAmerica.

 I got too busy to keep organizing things and in the meantime, not a lot of
 traction has been made (no blaming going on, WISPs are hard to organize and
 usually avoid\disagree with lawyers). In the meantime, a few of us have
 just gone there anyway.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:20:59 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 350 E. Cermak

 I have been looking into it, getting transport quotes etc, but the lack of
 response from the wispa appointed coordinator leaves me wondering what
 exactly im plugging into there.

 Are you guys all just getting your own rack space and peering connections
 or is there some group actually sharing facilities currently?
 On Jan 10, 2015 12:00 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Who of you is already there?

 Who of you has a set schedule for being there?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




-- 

Gerard

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

If you don't need 48 ports or 40G uplink, there's also the IBM/BNT 8124E..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201213550967


Gerard

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Robert Haas via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Thanks Gino, I will take a look at those.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
 via Af
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:00 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch



 Dell/force10 s4810 Ebay $3k avg







 Gino A. Villarini

 President

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 www.aeronetpr.com

 @aeronetpr







 *From: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Date: *Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 11:25 AM
 *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch



 Any recommendations for a cost effective 10Gb switch? We have a local
 Elementary/High school district wanting to upgrade all of their fiber links
 to 10Gb. The kicker I’ve found is this central location has 6 connections.
 I can find switches with 4 SFP+/XFP ports easily. It seems like you crack
 the magic ‘4’ number and the prices start jumping pretty quick.



 I’d like to avoid stacking switches if possible but cost may dictate doing
 so.



 So does anyone know of a switch with 6 SFP+/XFP ports that’s not going to
 make the administrator have a stroke on me?



 Thanks,

 Robert Haas

Re: [AFMUG] Remote Desktop

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

+1 for ScreenConnect


Gerard

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Rory McCann via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Use ScreenConnect here - absolutely love it.

 Rory McCann
 MKAP Technology Solutions
 Web: www.mkap.net

 On 10/27/2014 12:54 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote:

  We resell Screenconnect if you need it. .Works great..



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af
 *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 12:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Remote Desktop



 What remote desktop / support application do you use?  We're looking at
 Teamviewer and ScreenConnect.  Teamviewer works well but can get expensive
 for multiple users, version upgrades, etc.  ScreenConnect is self-hosted
 and more customizable.  Any other alternatives we should be looking at?

 --

 http://www.infowest.com/

 Randy Cosby
 InfoWest, Inc
 435-674-0165 x 2010
 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/



  This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc

 and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may

 contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information.



 Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is

 prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please

 contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy

 the original message, all attachments and copies.

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

There are actually multiple vendors selling SFP modules with built in
EPON/GPON functionality that present themselves as a normal SFP module. I
don't know of any for XGPON or any of the newer standards though.

http://www.finisar.com/sites/default/files/pdf/FTGN2117P2CUN_FTGN2117P2TUN_GPON_Stick_Pluggable_SFP_ONU_Product_Brief_1_2014_V2.pdf
http://www.sfp-xfp.com/products/gpon-stick.html
http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/H640SFP_20140221220235.pdf


Gerard

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 GPON technology is not housed in the SFP module as that is only the laser
 and diodes.  The timing smarts central to GPON is on the board.  Not saying
 Mikrotik couldn’t do it just that it is not a compatibility with a plug-in
 thing.  I don’t know if GPON has been boiled down to a chipset and
 reference design yet.  If so, then it could happen but it still wouldn’t be
 a plug-in.



 10G XGPON 1 and 2 is not likely to be popular until 2016 or so.  And then
 it will still need considerable time to see the prices of the new lasers to
 come down far enough to make it cost effective for the ONT.  So you have a
 long wait for that one.



 PC

 Blaze Broadband





 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
 *Sent:* Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:04 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?



 How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be
 mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve
 hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?

Re: [AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

The mgsw-28240f is the same temp ratings as the mgsw-24160f but with 24
ports and 4x 10g ports.

On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 The 16 port one is hardened.  We can expect it to survive better in a fan
 vented enclosure.

 All the other sfp switches I have found are pretty much for inside an air
 conditioned enclosure.

 -Louis
 On Oct 19, 2014 2:18 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote:

 Planet has a switch with 24 SFP ports, or if you don't mind spending more
 per port there are a few companies out there that do 48 lasers in 1u using
 dual bidi SFPs (Calix being one option). Still not the density of GPON, but
 better than your example.

 On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Louis Arsenault via Af af@afmug.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote:

 Our reason for looking into it is heat and power.

 We may have 300+ customer coming into a single cabinet.
 We will be laying the fiber for active but if we can save on space by
 not needing 300+ sfp ports plus battery backup for all those switches.

 We are looking at the Planet switch which has 16 SFP ports. If we use
 GPON that is 16 SFP ports * 32 customers per port =  512 customers
 instead of only 16 customers per switch!
 To do active we would need 19 switches!

 -Louis

 On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via
 Af af@afmug.com wrote:
  To slightly hijack this.  What is the fascination with gpon?
 
  From what I can tell, cabling a plant for active is dirt cheap and is
 future
  proof.
 
  Gpon isn't.
 
  On Oct 19, 2014 1:04 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
  How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be
  mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to
 serve
  hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?



 --
 -Louis

 NTInet
 O: 803-533-1660 X 207
 C: 803-997-0004



-- 

Gerard

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Switch Surge Protection Question

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

We do the Beehive APC surges.


Gerard

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Those putting Switches at the tower top, what kind of protection are you
 using for the Ethernet ports?

  Are you using surge suppressors?

  I was thinking of using Industrial POE switches at the top, feed DC and
 fiber, then short runs to the radios (epmp and 450 are poe compliant)

  Should I go straigt to the radios?



  Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

Our Top boxes usually contain the following.

1x Sitemonitor
2x GigabitSyncInjectors
1x Citel DS210-48DC
2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
1x RB2011
2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
8x GigEAPC-HV



Gerard

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the top
 and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration
 (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
 building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
 because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.

 http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2

 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes.
 We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades.

 I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's
 the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af
 af@afmug.com wrote:

 Chuck,

 Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?

 I can't seem to find what I need

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
 standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

 http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

 Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



 On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:
  Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
 
  30-40w total power
 
  Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
 
  We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
 
  Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
 

Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know
100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix
ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to
replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT

Gerard


On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and
 the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM?  We bought a used SM
 that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is
 missing. I don't think it's optional.  But is its absence causing the
 problems?  Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and
 mistakenly marked it as tested and good?

 If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.

Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

oops, 100 series


Gerard

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.com
wrote:

 It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know
 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix
 ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to
 replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT

 Gerard


 On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and
 the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM?  We bought a used SM
 that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is
 missing. I don't think it's optional.  But is its absence causing the
 problems?  Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and
 mistakenly marked it as tested and good?

 If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.