Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
Cameron, It is a nationwide license. You can’t sell a part of it. They really aren’t worth enough to even attempt to split it anyways. The legal costs and delay would put you in a deep hole anyways. I’m sure the FCC doesn’t want to make an exception for a license that will most likely be terminated in 2018 anyways. The last license I brokered was purchased by a Wisp for $500. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 12:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Can a license holder sell part of a license or is it the whole shootin' match? On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:12 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote: Yes, you can still register new locations. Anything in the database after Apr 17 2015 will not get grandfathered protection status. On 2/11/2016 5:09 PM, Christopher Gray wrote: I thought new locations could not be registered under an existing NN licence. Can they? If you have an NN licence, can you still deploy new APs at new locations, and new SMs? On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com<mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> wrote: > TJ, > > > > I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. > Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > *Rick Harnish* > > Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst > > 260-307-4000 cell > > Skype: rick.harnish. > > Twitter: @rharnish > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout > *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > > > What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with > current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the > license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone > else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name > in a data base ? > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
If I remember correctly, we can only operate under the old rules until some time in 2020 anyway, so at best renewing would only extend it about a year and a half, in your case. I would hope the new system will be running by 2018, but who knows... if it isn't there could end up being a year and a half or so where you're just out of luck. On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > People need to remember those licenses are only for 10 years, mine runs > out 10/25/2018. Not sure if it’s an automatic pay the fee and get another > 10 years or what. Hopefully by 2018 the FCC has the new system set up and > has done PAL auctions, but you never know. They are good at criticizing > ISPs for moving too slow, but it’s kind of a “do as I say, not as I do” > thing. > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:30 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase? > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I > didn't bother trying to figure out why. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it > was a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by > staking their claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who > never deployed anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of > Part15.org and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, > I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed. More like virtual > flags planted on the moon. > > Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not > have transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so > individuals might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by > a no-compete clause. I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. > > > *From:* Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM > *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > > Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. > > > > I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license > ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. > > > > The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are > tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining > operators quite handily for breaking rules these days. > > > > Resp
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
Rick, For my own curiosity Why would an wisp sell this? Why would they not want to make use of the spectrum? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers! > On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> wrote: > > TJ, > > I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. > Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst > 260-307-4000 cell > Skype: rick.harnish. > Twitter: @rharnish > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with > current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the > license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone > else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name > in a data base ?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
Tyson, License holders willing to sell their licenses are not necessarily Wisps. Maybe they tried and failed or never got their business off the ground. Whatever the case, there are licenses available that have never registered a device and have no plans to start now. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:11 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Rick, For my own curiosity Why would an wisp sell this? Why would they not want to make use of the spectrum? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers! On Feb 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com<mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ?
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining operators quite handily for breaking rules these days. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com<mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
I thought new locations could not be registered under an existing NN licence. Can they? If you have an NN licence, can you still deploy new APs at new locations, and new SMs? On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc > territory cant you? > > Are there any stipulations on the transfer? > > would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any > new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some > unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered > transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy > preferably. lien lien lien > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com > > wrote: > >> TJ, >> >> >> >> I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. >> Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. >> >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> >> *Rick Harnish* >> >> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst >> >> 260-307-4000 cell >> >> Skype: rick.harnish. >> >> Twitter: @rharnish >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence >> >> >> >> What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with >> current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the >> license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone >> else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name >> in a data base ? >> > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
Yes, you can still register new locations. Anything in the database after Apr 17 2015 will not get grandfathered protection status. On 2/11/2016 5:09 PM, Christopher Gray wrote: I thought new locations could not be registered under an existing NN licence. Can they? If you have an NN licence, can you still deploy new APs at new locations, and new SMs? On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com <mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, ** *Rick Harnish* Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
Can a license holder sell part of a license or is it the whole shootin' match? On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:12 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: > Yes, you can still register new locations. Anything in the database after > Apr 17 2015 will not get grandfathered protection status. > > > On 2/11/2016 5:09 PM, Christopher Gray wrote: > > I thought new locations could not be registered under an existing NN > licence. > > Can they? If you have an NN licence, can you still deploy new APs at new > locations, and new SMs? > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 9:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc >> territory cant you? >> >> Are there any stipulations on the transfer? >> >> would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be >> any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some >> unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered >> transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy >> preferably. lien lien lien >> >> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish < >> <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> wrote: >> >>> TJ, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their >>> licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. >>> >>> >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick Harnish* >>> >>> Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst >>> >>> 260-307-4000 cell >>> >>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>> >>> Twitter: @rharnish >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto: <af-boun...@afmug.com>af-boun...@afmug.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *TJ Trout >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM >>> *To:* <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence >>> >>> >>> >>> What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with >>> current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the >>> license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone >>> else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name >>> in a data base ? >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > > >
Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
Thank you. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers! > On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> > wrote: > > Ken, > > As always, you’re on the money. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst > 260-307-4000 cell > Skype: rick.harnish. > Twitter: @rharnish > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:02 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was > a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking > their claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never > deployed anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and > PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few > if any of those were ever deployed. More like virtual flags planted on the > moon. > > Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have > transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals > might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete > clause. I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. > > > From: Rick Harnish > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM > To: mailto:af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. > > I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license > ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. > > The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are > tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining > operators quite handily for breaking rules these days. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst > 260-307-4000 cell > Skype: rick.harnish. > Twitter: @rharnish > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc > territory cant you? > > Are there any stipulations on the transfer? > > would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any > new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed > drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and > fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> > wrote: > TJ, > > I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. > Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. > > Respectfully, > > Rick Harnish > Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst > 260-307-4000 cell > Skype: rick.harnish. > Twitter: @rharnish > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with > current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the > license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone > else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name > in a data base ? > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed. More like virtual flags planted on the moon. Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause. I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining operators quite handily for breaking rules these days. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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Ken, As always, you’re on the money. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed. More like virtual flags planted on the moon. Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause. I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. From: Rick Harnish<mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining operators quite handily for breaking rules these days. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com<mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com>> wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't bother trying to figure out why. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed. More like virtual flags planted on the moon. Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause. I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining operators quite handily for breaking rules these days. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish < rharn...@fibertothefarm.com > wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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People need to remember those licenses are only for 10 years, mine runs out 10/25/2018. Not sure if it’s an automatic pay the fee and get another 10 years or what. Hopefully by 2018 the FCC has the new system set up and has done PAL auctions, but you never know. They are good at criticizing ISPs for moving too slow, but it’s kind of a “do as I say, not as I do” thing. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't bother trying to figure out why. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking their claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never deployed anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline equipment, I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed. More like virtual flags planted on the moon. Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete clause. I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. From: Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems they are fining operators quite handily for breaking rules these days. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence since its a nationwide license, you can buy and sell anywhere in fcc territory cant you? Are there any stipulations on the transfer? would be awesome to see an FCC crackdown since there arent going to be any new licenses, nobody can backdoor it. The FCC could contract some unemployed drivers to do drive testing finding all the unregistered transmitters and fine the hell out of the operators, into bankruptcy preferably. lien lien lien On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> wrote: TJ, I have a couple existing license holders willing to sell their licenses. Contact me off list or give me a call if you’re interested. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst 260-307-4000 cell Skype: rick.harnish. Twitter: @rharnish From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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The FCC will not be renewing the NN license for 3650-3700. It will become CBSD and follow those rules. Mark Please note the mailing and shipping address change below: Mark Radabaugh Amplex 22690 Pemberville Rd Luckey, OH 43443 419-837-5015 x1021 m...@amplex.net > On Feb 11, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > People need to remember those licenses are only for 10 years, mine runs out > 10/25/2018. Not sure if it’s an automatic pay the fee and get another 10 > years or what. Hopefully by 2018 the FCC has the new system set up and has > done PAL auctions, but you never know. They are good at criticizing ISPs for > moving too slow, but it’s kind of a “do as I say, not as I do” thing. > > > From: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:30 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > I didn't, but I do have one. I forget when exactly I got mine. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:25:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > So, did you get transfer his NN license as part of the purchase? > > > From: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:19 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > There was Redline gear at those sites, but none of it was working. I didn't > bother trying to figure out why. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:01:34 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > Back when 3.65 was new, a lot of WISPs applied for a license thinking it was > a homesteading thing and they would get some sort of exclusivity by staking > their claim first. So I expect there are WISPs with licenses who never > deployed anything. For example, I think Michael Anderson of Part15.org > <http://part15.org/> and PDQLink registered a bunch of sites with Redline > equipment, I am guessing few if any of those were ever deployed. More like > virtual flags planted on the moon. > > Also, I would speculate that WISPs sold to aggregators like JAB may not have > transferred their 3.65 band licenses as part of the sale, so individuals > might be sitting on some licenses but barred from using them by a no-compete > clause. I don’t know this for a fact, just guessing. > > > From: Rick Harnish <mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:08 AM > To: mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence > > Yes, you can buy any license previously awarded. > > I don’t know of any stipulations. You do need to file for a license > ownership transfer with the FCC. That may take 60 to 90 days. > > The FCC did eliminate many of its field employees last fall. Budgets are > tight the way I understand it. That being said, it seems the
[AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence
What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ?
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The FCC stopped issuing NN licenses around April of last year. You would have to find a way to acquire one from an existing license holder. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 licensing due diligence What Is the process to get a 365 license and start working an area with current licensees already in the same footprint ? Just register for the license, register the ap and try not to be on the same channel as someone else? Essentially the same as ISM/UNIII but you pay a fee and put your name in a data base ?