Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Steve Jones]

If you operate a business from your home and send your drone up to check
your gutters for leaves, you need a license

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> So, I went and brushed up on the non-commerical rules just because I
> haven't paid much attention to them recently, and they seem to have changed
> a bit, probably partially due to the law which was passed a few months ago
> ...
>
> I agree 100%.  For non-commerical, everything I read indicates that within
> 5 miles of any airport/heliport you simply need to call the airport
> owner/tower/etc. to notify them of your operation. The under 400ft
> requirement seems to have largely been excised from the FCC website, even
> though I have a copy of paperwork that I agreed to back when I did my
> original drone registration which says that I agree to fly under 400 ft.
>
> But, the class at wisapalooza can be summarized in one line:
>
> "If you're using a drone for commercial purposes you need a license.
>  Inspecting a tower for a WISP you own or work for is going to almost
> certainly going to be a commercial purpose.   Go get a license, which will
> also teach you all of the rules you need to be following, which are
> different than the non-commercial rules."
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.
>>
>> Hobbyists call the Tower.
>> Commercial just flies - with the waiver.
>>
>> Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system
>> LAANC.
>>
>> Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.
>>
>> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > 5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely
>> prohibited without a waver..
>> >
>> >> On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>> >>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com > wrote:
>> >>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying
>> is true, it is more complicated than that.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport,
>> helipad, etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're
>> limited to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should
>> read up on and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate
>> drone users.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on
>> the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of
>> the knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
>> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert  i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
>> >>>airport you
>> >>>need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
>> >>>controller the
>> >>>other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
>> >>>prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
>> >>>flashers.
>> >>>   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
>> >>>down
>> >>>by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
>> >>>seems to
>> >>>think otherwise..
>> >>>
>> >>>On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> >>>> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
>> >>>purposes, be
>> >>>> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
>> >>>other
>> >>>> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
>> >>>internal
>> >>>> use, but the requirement still exists.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
>> >>>reasons.  Have
>> >>>> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
>> >>>in the
>> >>>> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave > >>>
>> >>>> >>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We are in the market for one now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold
>> all
>> >>>> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
>> >>>have more
>> >>>> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>> >>>> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
>> >>>> discover what they are hooked on to.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> >>>>> my contractor shot 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So, I went and brushed up on the non-commerical rules just because I
haven't paid much attention to them recently, and they seem to have changed
a bit, probably partially due to the law which was passed a few months ago
...

I agree 100%.  For non-commerical, everything I read indicates that within
5 miles of any airport/heliport you simply need to call the airport
owner/tower/etc. to notify them of your operation. The under 400ft
requirement seems to have largely been excised from the FCC website, even
though I have a copy of paperwork that I agreed to back when I did my
original drone registration which says that I agree to fly under 400 ft.

But, the class at wisapalooza can be summarized in one line:

"If you're using a drone for commercial purposes you need a license.
 Inspecting a tower for a WISP you own or work for is going to almost
certainly going to be a commercial purpose.   Go get a license, which will
also teach you all of the rules you need to be following, which are
different than the non-commercial rules."


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.
>
> Hobbyists call the Tower.
> Commercial just flies - with the waiver.
>
> Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system LAANC.
>
> Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> >
> > 5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely
> prohibited without a waver..
> >
> >> On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
> >>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com > wrote:
> >>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying
> is true, it is more complicated than that.
> >>>
> >>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
> >>>
> >>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on
> the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of
> the knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
> >>>airport you
> >>>need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
> >>>controller the
> >>>other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
> >>>prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
> >>>flashers.
> >>>   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
> >>>down
> >>>by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
> >>>seems to
> >>>think otherwise..
> >>>
> >>>On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> >>>> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
> >>>purposes, be
> >>>> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
> >>>other
> >>>> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
> >>>internal
> >>>> use, but the requirement still exists.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
> >>>reasons.  Have
> >>>> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
> >>>in the
> >>>> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave  >>>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We are in the market for one now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold
> all
> >>>> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
> >>>have more
> >>>> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> >>>> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> >>>> discover what they are hooked on to.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
> >>>the uber
> >>>>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
> >>>rebuild
> >>>>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
> >>>external
> >>>>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly
> recommend
> >>>>> getting drone 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Robert Andrews]

You are very correct, no waver needed, my bad, a lack of disapproval 
constitutes approval after talking to the tower, 400 foot limit is in 
effect.


On 04/30/2018 03:35 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.

Hobbyists call the Tower.
Commercial just flies - with the waiver.

Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system LAANC.

Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.


On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews  wrote:

5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely prohibited 
without a waver..


On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote:
 From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is true, 
it is more complicated than that.

If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, etc. 
(towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited to 400ft, 
can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on and follow 
the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.

If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the actual 
airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the knowledge 
needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know where it is safe 
and legal to fly based on charts and observation.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert > wrote:

Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
airport you
need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
controller the
other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
flashers.
   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
down
by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
seems to
think otherwise..

On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
purposes, be
> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
other
> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
internal
> use, but the requirement still exists.
>
> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
reasons.  Have
> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
in the
> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave 
> >> wrote:
>
> We are in the market for one now.
>
> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
have more
> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> discover what they are hooked on to.
>
>
>
> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
the uber
>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
rebuild
>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
external
>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>> getting drone shots
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Steve Jones]

we have a pretty nice drone, i havent even touched the case, The license is
relatively cheap and the class is dolt proof, just finding the time
That and not wanting to have a gust trash the companies drone

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers.
>
> Hobbyists call the Tower.
> Commercial just flies - with the waiver.
>
> Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system LAANC.
>
> Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> >
> > 5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely
> prohibited without a waver..
> >
> >> On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
> >>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com > wrote:
> >>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying
> is true, it is more complicated than that.
> >>>
> >>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
> >>>
> >>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on
> the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of
> the knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
> >>>airport you
> >>>need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
> >>>controller the
> >>>other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
> >>>prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
> >>>flashers.
> >>>   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
> >>>down
> >>>by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
> >>>seems to
> >>>think otherwise..
> >>>
> >>>On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> >>>> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
> >>>purposes, be
> >>>> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
> >>>other
> >>>> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
> >>>internal
> >>>> use, but the requirement still exists.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
> >>>reasons.  Have
> >>>> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
> >>>in the
> >>>> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave  >>>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We are in the market for one now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold
> all
> >>>> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
> >>>have more
> >>>> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> >>>> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> >>>> discover what they are hooked on to.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
> >>>the uber
> >>>>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
> >>>rebuild
> >>>>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
> >>>external
> >>>>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly
> recommend
> >>>>> getting drone shots
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Matt Hoppes]

Hobbyists do not get waivers. Commercial gets waivers. 

Hobbyists call the Tower. 
Commercial just flies - with the waiver. 

Waivers are going away in favor of the instant authorization system LAANC. 

Clearly we need a session on drones at wispapalooza. 

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:16, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> 
> 5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely prohibited 
> without a waver..
> 
>> On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>> > wrote:
>>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is 
>>> true, it is more complicated than that.
>>> 
>>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, etc. 
>>> (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited to 
>>> 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on 
>>> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
>>> 
>>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the 
>>> actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the 
>>> knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know 
>>> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
>>>airport you
>>>need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
>>>controller the
>>>other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
>>>prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
>>>flashers.
>>>   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
>>>down
>>>by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
>>>seems to
>>>think otherwise..
>>> 
>>>On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
>>>purposes, be
>>>> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
>>>other
>>>> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
>>>internal
>>>> use, but the requirement still exists.
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
>>>reasons.  Have
>>>> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
>>>in the
>>>> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave >>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are in the market for one now.
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
>>>> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
>>>have more
>>>> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>>>> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
>>>> discover what they are hooked on to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
>>>the uber
>>>>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
>>>rebuild
>>>>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
>>>external
>>>>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>>>>> getting drone shots
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Robert Andrews]

5 miles around an airport they certainly are.   And completely 
prohibited without a waver..


On 04/30/2018 08:19 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.

On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:


From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying 
is true, it is more complicated than that.


If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, 
etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're 
limited to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really 
should read up on and follow the rules, as they're not just there to 
irritate drone users.


If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on 
the actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  
Much of the knowledge needed for the test revolves around 
understanding how to know where it is safe and legal to fly based on 
charts and observation.



On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert > wrote:


Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered
airport you
need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a
controller the
other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
flashers.
   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought
down
by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA
seems to
think otherwise..

On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial
purposes, be
> aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many
other
> things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
internal
> use, but the requirement still exists.
>
> I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various
reasons.  Have
> been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system
in the
> USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave 
> >> wrote:
>
> We are in the market for one now.
>
> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
> that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would
have more
> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> discover what they are hooked on to.
>
>
>
> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than
the uber
>> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
rebuild
>> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
external
>> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>> getting drone shots
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Sam Lambie]

My companies insurance carrier banned drones from being used on company
time I have two of them and have found them to be incredibly useful
when I could use them.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> its a relatively cheap license, and there are a bunch of flight apps to
> ensure youre flying lawful, some drones even incorporate it
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Hmm learn something everyday.
>>
>> Apparently there is a disconnect between what the faa has been telling
>> people (below 400ft), and what the law says.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 9:19 AM Matt Hoppes > .net> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is
>>> true, it is more complicated than that.
>>>
>>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
>>> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
>>> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
>>> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
>>>
>>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the
>>> actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the
>>> knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
>>> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport
 you
 need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the
 other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
 prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser
 flashers.
Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down
 by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to
 think otherwise..

 On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
 > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes,
 be
 > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
 > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
 internal
 > use, but the requirement still exists.
 >
 > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.
 Have
 > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the
 > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
 >
 > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave  > wrote:
 >
 > We are in the market for one now.
 >
 > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
 > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have
 more
 > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
 > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
 > discover what they are hooked on to.
 >
 >
 >
 > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
 >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
 >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
 >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
 >> getting drone shots
 >
 > --
 >

>>>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Steve Jones]

its a relatively cheap license, and there are a bunch of flight apps to
ensure youre flying lawful, some drones even incorporate it

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Hmm learn something everyday.
>
> Apparently there is a disconnect between what the faa has been telling
> people (below 400ft), and what the law says.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 9:19 AM Matt Hoppes  rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is
>> true, it is more complicated than that.
>>
>> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
>> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
>> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
>> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
>>
>> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the
>> actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the
>> knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
>> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you
>>> need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the
>>> other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
>>> prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers.
>>>Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down
>>> by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to
>>> think otherwise..
>>>
>>> On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>> > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
>>> > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
>>> > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
>>> internal
>>> > use, but the requirement still exists.
>>> >
>>> > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.
>>> Have
>>> > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the
>>> > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We are in the market for one now.
>>> >
>>> > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
>>> > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have
>>> more
>>> > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>>> > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
>>> > discover what they are hooked on to.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
>>> >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
>>> >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
>>> >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>>> >> getting drone shots
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Hmm learn something everyday.

Apparently there is a disconnect between what the faa has been telling
people (below 400ft), and what the law says.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 9:19 AM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.
>
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is
> true, it is more complicated than that.
>
> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad,
> etc. (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited
> to 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
> and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
>
> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the
> actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the
> knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
> where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert  wrote:
>
>> Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you
>> need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the
>> other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
>> prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers.
>>Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down
>> by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to
>> think otherwise..
>>
>> On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
>> > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
>> > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for
>> internal
>> > use, but the requirement still exists.
>> >
>> > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have
>> > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the
>> > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > We are in the market for one now.
>> >
>> > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
>> > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have
>> more
>> > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>> > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
>> > discover what they are hooked on to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
>> >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
>> >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
>> >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>> >> getting drone shots
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Matt Hoppes]

Actually hobbyists are not limited to how high they can fly.

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:11, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is true, 
> it is more complicated than that.  
> 
> If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, etc. 
> (towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited to 
> 400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on and 
> follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.
> 
> If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the 
> actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the 
> knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know where 
> it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert  wrote:
>> Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you 
>> need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the 
>> other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about 
>> prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers. 
>>Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down 
>> by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to 
>> think otherwise..
>> 
>> On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be 
>> > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other 
>> > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for internal 
>> > use, but the requirement still exists.
>> > 
>> > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have 
>> > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the 
>> > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
>> > 
>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > We are in the market for one now.
>> > 
>> > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
>> > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more
>> > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>> > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
>> > discover what they are hooked on to.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
>> >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
>> >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
>> >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
>> >> getting drone shots
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

>From my understanding so far, while the spirit of what you're saying is
true, it is more complicated than that.

If you're flying as a hobbyist within 5 miles of any airport, helipad, etc.
(towered or not)  you need a FAA waiver.  In addition, you're limited to
400ft, can't fly over certain areas, etc.   One really should read up on
and follow the rules, as they're not just there to irritate drone users.

If you have a commercial license then where you can fly is based on the
actual airspace classification instead of the five mile limit.  Much of the
knowledge needed for the test revolves around understanding how to know
where it is safe and legal to fly based on charts and observation.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 8:37 AM Robert  wrote:

> Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you
> need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the
> other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about
> prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers.
>Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down
> by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to
> think otherwise..
>
> On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
> > aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
> > things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for internal
> > use, but the requirement still exists.
> >
> > I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have
> > been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the
> > USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave  > > wrote:
> >
> > We are in the market for one now.
> >
> > I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
> > that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have
> more
> > larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> > Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
> > discover what they are hooked on to.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
> >> sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
> >> it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
> >> perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
> >> getting drone shots
> >
> > --
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Adam Moffett]

If they sucked a quadcopter into a jet engine on takeoff that would 
thrash up their turbine blades.


I'm sure it's bound to happen somewhere eventually.


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/30/2018 10:37:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] drones

Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport 
you need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller 
the other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about 
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser 
flashers.   Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be 
brought down by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the 
FAA seems to think otherwise..


On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be 
aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other 
things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for 
internal use, but the requirement still exists.


I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  
Have been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in 
the USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com 
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


   We are in the market for one now.

   I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
   that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have 
more

   larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
   Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
   discover what they are hooked on to.



   On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

   my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
   sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
   it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
   perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
   getting drone shots


   --

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Robert]

Also be aware that if you are within five miles of a towered airport you 
need FAA wavers for flight in that area.   I talked to a controller the 
other day and he was not kidding in any way, dead serious about 
prosecuting violators to the same level as they go after laser flashers. 
  Seems the FAA is on edge about the first aircraft to be brought down 
by a drone.   I thought it was a small probability but the FAA seems to 
think otherwise..


On 4/30/18 7:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be 
aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other 
things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for internal 
use, but the requirement still exists.


I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have 
been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the 
USA.  So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave > wrote:


We are in the market for one now.

I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all
that gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more
larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they
discover what they are hooked on to.



On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber
sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild
it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external
perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend
getting drone shots


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

For those of you considering using a Drone for commercial purposes, be
aware you probably need a commercial drone license.  Like many other
things, you probably will never get caught if the flight is for internal
use, but the requirement still exists.

I'm currently slowly working on getting mine for various reasons.  Have
been enjoying learning a bit more about our aeronautics system in the USA.
So far it doesn't seem like it's that difficult.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:13 AM Dave  wrote:

> We are in the market for one now.
>
> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all that
> gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more
> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they discover what
> they are hooked on to.
>
>
>
> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy
> cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the drone
> footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really helps
> getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Matt Hoppes]

I don’t believe that for one second

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 10:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> I heard the FCC enforcement bureau is using drones now to make sure everyone 
> put the FCC UNI-II stickers on their old Ubnt gear.
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>> Take a look at YouTube videos for the dji mavic air. Big improvement over 
>> the mavic pro, less costly, and 100Mbps 4K video. 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 6:13 AM Dave  wrote:
>>> We are in the market for one now. 
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all that gear. 
>>> I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more 
>>> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles. 
>>> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they discover what 
>>> they are hooked on to.
>>> 
>>>   
>>> 
 On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy 
 cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the 
 drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really 
 helps getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I heard the FCC enforcement bureau is using drones now to make sure
everyone put the FCC UNI-II stickers on their old Ubnt gear.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Take a look at YouTube videos for the dji mavic air. Big improvement over
> the mavic pro, less costly, and 100Mbps 4K video.
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 6:13 AM Dave  wrote:
>
>> We are in the market for one now.
>>
>> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all that
>> gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more
>> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
>> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they discover
>> what they are hooked on to.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy
>> cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the drone
>> footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really helps
>> getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Eric Kuhnke]

Take a look at YouTube videos for the dji mavic air. Big improvement over
the mavic pro, less costly, and 100Mbps 4K video.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 6:13 AM Dave  wrote:

> We are in the market for one now.
>
> I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all that
> gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more
> larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
> Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they discover what
> they are hooked on to.
>
>
>
> On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy
> cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the drone
> footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really helps
> getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Dave]

We are in the market for one now.

I was looking at the welds and mounting of that ring to hold all that 
gear. I like overkill for structural integrity. I would have more

larger feet bolted to the tank on all angles.
Just thinking about my poor tower guys cursing me after they discover 
what they are hooked on to.




On 04/30/2018 12:14 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber 
sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, 
but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external 
perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly recommend 
getting drone shots


--

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Dave]

LOL!
The Jokes on them :)


On 04/30/2018 07:55 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
It was in the Facebook group. There were one or two people who 
strongly argued that it saved no time and was not useful


On Apr 30, 2018, at 08:30, Darin Steffl > wrote:


Who booed you off the stage? Many wisp's use drones, myself included 
and they're a great tool. I don't know anyone who thinks they're a 
terrible idea for things exactly like this.


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:22 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


I said this a year ago and got boooed off stage. Agreed. They are
immensely useful for planning.

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 01:14, Steve Jones
> wrote:
>
> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the
uber sloppy cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will
rebuild it, but the drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the
external perspective really helps getting an overall. i highly
recommend getting drone shots
> 



--

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Matt Hoppes]

It was in the Facebook group. There were one or two people who strongly argued 
that it saved no time and was not useful

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 08:30, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> Who booed you off the stage? Many wisp's use drones, myself included and 
> they're a great tool. I don't know anyone who thinks they're a terrible idea 
> for things exactly like this. 
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:22 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> I said this a year ago and got boooed off stage. Agreed. They are immensely 
>> useful for planning. 
>> 
>> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 01:14, Steve Jones  wrote:
>> > 
>> > my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy 
>> > cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the 
>> > drone footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really 
>> > helps getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Darin Steffl]

Who booed you off the stage? Many wisp's use drones, myself included and
they're a great tool. I don't know anyone who thinks they're a terrible
idea for things exactly like this.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:22 AM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> I said this a year ago and got boooed off stage. Agreed. They are
> immensely useful for planning.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 01:14, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy
> cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the drone
> footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really helps
> getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
> > 
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Matt Hoppes]

I said this a year ago and got boooed off stage. Agreed. They are immensely 
useful for planning. 

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 01:14, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy 
> cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the drone 
> footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really helps 
> getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Robert]

  Actually I have 2
Phantom's 1 as a spare and
never flown, a Taranis
FRSky Transmitter and 7
batteries. FPV setup as
well for a Go Pro with
monitor. Works great. I am
just tired of all the
bullshit that goes with
flying and people lame ass
reactions. Plus, editing
video sucks.
Make me an offer.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at
1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley
<jpkel...@ckswireless.com
<mailto:jpkel...@ckswireless.com>>
wrote:

I was at a Drone
informational session
earlier this year at
the NATE convention in
New Orleans and the
information that was
given there was that
any commercial
operation of a drone
required the operator
to be, at least, a
sport pilot.

Jon Paul Kelley

CKS Wireless

*From:*Af
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
*On Behalf Of *That
One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Friday, June
17, 2016 4:14 PM
        *To:* af@afmug.com
    <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
Drones and laws

never mind, i guess
this answers the question

*Q: I have a drone and
would like to use it
to monitor my
business, such as by
checking my roof. I
won�t sell any
pictures. Is this
commercial use?*

A: Yes. The FAA views
any UAS (drone)
operation that
supports the functions
of your business as a
non-recreational use.
Curently, any
non-recreational use
of an unmanned
aircraft requires a
Section 333 exemption
from the Federal
Aviation
Administration. Once
the small UAS rule is
in place, which should
occur later this year,
you will then be able
to operate
commercially under the
new regulation.

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Jason McKemie]

t;>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <
>>>>>>>>>>> samtaos...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','samtaos...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Transmitter
>>>>>>>>>>>> and 7 batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Works great.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> people lame
>>>>>>>>>>>> ass reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>>>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jpkel...@ckswireless.com');>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the NATE convention in New Orleans and the information that was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was that any commercial operation of a drone required the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operator to be,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least, a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business, such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial use?*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the functions of your business as a non-recreational use. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curently, any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Eric Kuhnke]

I'm still trying to figure this out, since any Hawaii-to-Hawaii flight
going between any two islands could be beyond 12 nautical miles, but still
be within the exclusive economic zone, no?


This is the sort of question that probably ends up in an Admiralty Law
course.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Meaning they don't want it going through international territory.
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> They don't want people flying stuff into / out of Hawaii via drone? i.e.
>> internationally
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder what is the deal with the part about Hawaii. I understand about
>>> DC since there's a huge drone no-fly-zone for security reasons there, but
>>> this?
>>>
>>> * The flight occurs wholly within the bounds of a State and *
>>> *does not involve transport between (1) Hawaii and *
>>> *another place in Hawaii through airspace outside *
>>> *Hawaii; *
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Matt Kahle <mnka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like laws changed as of today.
>>>> http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf and it appears most
>>>> of the pages including the application for the section 333 exemption are no
>>>> longer live. You will now have to pass an in person test administered at a
>>>> FAA testing facility or in my case as a Part 61 pilot take an online
>>>> training course.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
>>>>> commercial?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I
>>>>>>>>>>> have 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky 
>>>>>>>>>>> Transmitter
>>>>>>>>>>> and 7 batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works 
>>>>>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and 
>>>>>>>>>>> people lame
>>>>>>>>>>> ass reactions.

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Jason McKemie]

Meaning they don't want it going through international territory.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> They don't want people flying stuff into / out of Hawaii via drone? i.e.
> internationally
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder what is the deal with the part about Hawaii. I understand about
>> DC since there's a huge drone no-fly-zone for security reasons there, but
>> this?
>>
>> * The flight occurs wholly within the bounds of a State and *
>> *does not involve transport between (1) Hawaii and *
>> *another place in Hawaii through airspace outside *
>> *Hawaii; *
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Matt Kahle <mnka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like laws changed as of today.
>>> http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf and it appears most
>>> of the pages including the application for the section 333 exemption are no
>>> longer live. You will now have to pass an in person test administered at a
>>> FAA testing facility or in my case as a Part 61 pilot take an online
>>> training course.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
>>>> commercial?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I
>>>>>>>>>> have 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky 
>>>>>>>>>> Transmitter
>>>>>>>>>> and 7 batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works 
>>>>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>>> I am just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people 
>>>>>>>>>> lame
>>>>>>>>>> ass reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the
>>>>>>>>>>> NATE convention in New Orleans and the information that was given 
>>>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>>>> that any commercial operation of a dron

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Jason McKemie]

They don't want people flying stuff into / out of Hawaii via drone? i.e.
internationally

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder what is the deal with the part about Hawaii. I understand about
> DC since there's a huge drone no-fly-zone for security reasons there, but
> this?
>
> * The flight occurs wholly within the bounds of a State and *
> *does not involve transport between (1) Hawaii and *
> *another place in Hawaii through airspace outside *
> *Hawaii; *
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Matt Kahle <mnka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It looks like laws changed as of today.
>> http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf and it appears most of
>> the pages including the application for the section 333 exemption are no
>> longer live. You will now have to pass an in person test administered at a
>> FAA testing facility or in my case as a Part 61 pilot take an online
>> training course.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
>>> commercial?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I
>>>>>>>>> have 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky 
>>>>>>>>> Transmitter
>>>>>>>>> and 7 batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works 
>>>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>>> I am just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people 
>>>>>>>>> lame
>>>>>>>>> ass reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the
>>>>>>>>>> NATE convention in New Orleans and the information that was given 
>>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>>> that any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to 
>>>>>>>>>> be, at
>>>>>>>>>> least, a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Eric Kuhnke]

I wonder what is the deal with the part about Hawaii. I understand about DC
since there's a huge drone no-fly-zone for security reasons there, but this?

* The flight occurs wholly within the bounds of a State and *
*does not involve transport between (1) Hawaii and *
*another place in Hawaii through airspace outside *
*Hawaii; *

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Matt Kahle <mnka...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like laws changed as of today.
> http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf and it appears most of
> the pages including the application for the section 333 exemption are no
> longer live. You will now have to pass an in person test administered at a
> FAA testing facility or in my case as a Part 61 pilot take an online
> training course.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
>> commercial?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have
>>>>>>>> 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter 
>>>>>>>> and 7
>>>>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I 
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame 
>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the
>>>>>>>>> NATE convention in New Orleans and the information that was given 
>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>> that any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, 
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> least, a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One
>>>>>>>>> Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

it seems alot more simplified


On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Matt Kahle <mnka...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like laws changed as of today.
> http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf and it appears most of
> the pages including the application for the section 333 exemption are no
> longer live. You will now have to pass an in person test administered at a
> FAA testing facility or in my case as a Part 61 pilot take an online
> training course.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
>> commercial?
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have
>>>>>>>> 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter 
>>>>>>>> and 7
>>>>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I 
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame 
>>>>>>>> ass
>>>>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the
>>>>>>>>> NATE convention in New Orleans and the information that was given 
>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>> that any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, 
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> least, a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One
>>>>>>>>> Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my
>>>>>>>>> business, such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is 
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Matt Kahle]

It looks like laws changed as of today.
http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf and it appears most of
the pages including the application for the section 333 exemption are no
longer live. You will now have to pass an in person test administered at a
FAA testing facility or in my case as a Part 61 pilot take an online
training course.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
> commercial?
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
>> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have
>>>>>>> 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter 
>>>>>>> and 7
>>>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I 
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the
>>>>>>>> NATE convention in New Orleans and the information that was given 
>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>> that any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, 
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> least, a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One
>>>>>>>> Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this 
>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>> use?*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Kurt Fankhauser]

What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
commercial?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $50
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>>>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at 
>>>>>>> least,
>>>>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One
>>>>>>> Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this 
>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>> use?*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>>>>>>> rule
>>>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry
>>>>>>> would use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Josh Reynolds]

He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $50
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at 
>>>>>> least,
>>>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>>>>> /sarcasm
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this 
>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>> use?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>>>>>> rule
>>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry
>>>>>> would use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From my registration:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>>>>>> aircraft:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- Don't be careless or reckless 

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Eric Kuhnke]

The carcass of a 13-slot Cisco 5500 chassis that's been shot several dozen
times with 00 buckshot, and a half eaten pack of Costco blueberry muffins.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $50
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at 
>>>>>> least,
>>>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>>>>> /sarcasm
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this 
>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>> use?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>>>>>> rule
>>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry
>>>>>> would use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From my registration:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[George Skorup]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufWDsPi0wB8

On 6/20/2016 9:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


$53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.

On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


$52 and a pack of dogs.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

$51 and part of a hot dog

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

$50


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie
<samtaos...@gmail.com <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries?
Actually I have 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never
flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7 batteries.
FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works
great. I am just tired of all the bullshit that goes
with flying and people lame ass reactions. Plus,
editing video sucks.
Make me an offer.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley
<jpkel...@ckswireless.com
<mailto:jpkel...@ckswireless.com>> wrote:

I was at a Drone informational session earlier
this year at the NATE convention in New Orleans
and the information that was given there was that
any commercial operation of a drone required the
operator to be, at least, a sport pilot.

Jon Paul Kelley

CKS Wireless

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *That
One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
            *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

never mind, i guess this answers the question

*Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to
monitor my business, such as by checking my roof.
I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial use?*

A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation
that supports the functions of your business as a
non-recreational use. Curently, any
non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft
requires a Section 333 exemption from the Federal
Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS rule
is in place, which should occur later this year,
you will then be able to operate commercially
under the new regulation.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy
/sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther
what our industry would use it for is considered
recreational or commercial (site survey,
inspection, general shenanigans)

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer
<operati...@royell.net
<mailto:operati...@royell.net>> wrote:

From my registration:

*Remember these simple safety guidelines when
flying your unmanned aircraft:*

  * Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
  * Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
  * Stay away from other aircraft at all times
  * Keep your UAS within your sight
  * Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
  * Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
  * Keep away from emergency responders

For more information, visit:
www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
<http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft>

*/B4UFLY/**Smartphone App*

  * Clear status icon shows flight restrictions
and requirements in your current or planned
 

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Mathew Howard]

$53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> $50
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was 
>>>>> that
>>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at least,
>>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>
>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>>>> /sarcasm
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial
>>>>> use?*
>>>>>
>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>>>>> rule
>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry
>>>>> would use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From my registration:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>>>>> aircraft:*
>>>>>
>>>>>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>>>>>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>>>>>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>>>>>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>>>>>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>>>>>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>>>>>- Keep away from emergency responders
>>>>>
>>>>> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>>>
>>>>> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Jaime Solorza]

Gato montez o puma
On Jun 20, 2016 4:52 PM, "Sam Lambie" <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You guys are funny...My cats would eat your Dogs...
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That's a lot of shit to clean up. Hope he doesn't have cats!
>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> $50
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>>>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at 
>>>>>>> least,
>>>>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One
>>>>>>> Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this 
>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>> use?*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>>>>>>> rule
>>>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry
>>>>>>> would use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 20

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Sam Lambie]

You guys are funny...My cats would eat your Dogs...

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> That's a lot of shit to clean up. Hope he doesn't have cats!
> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $50
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at 
>>>>>> least,
>>>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>>>>> /sarcasm
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this 
>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>> use?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>>>>>> rule
>>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry
>>>>>> would use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From my registration:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>>>>>> aircraft:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- Don't be careless or reckless with your 

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Josh Reynolds]

That's a lot of shit to clean up. Hope he doesn't have cats!
On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> $50
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was 
>>>>> that
>>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at least,
>>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>
>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>>>> /sarcasm
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial
>>>>> use?*
>>>>>
>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS 
>>>>> rule
>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry
>>>>> would use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From my registration:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>>>>> aircraft:*
>>>>>
>>>>>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>>>>>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>>>>>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>>>>>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>>>>>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>>>>>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>>>>>- Keep away from emergency responders
>>>>>
>>>>> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>>>
>>>>> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Josh Luthman]

$52 and a pack of dogs.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> $51 and part of a hot dog
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
>> $50
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>> Make me an offer.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was that
>>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at least,
>>>> a sport pilot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>
>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>>> /sarcasm
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business,
>>>> such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial
>>>> use?*
>>>>
>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS rule
>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry would
>>>> use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From my registration:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>>>> aircraft:*
>>>>
>>>>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>>>>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>>>>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>>>>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>>>>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>>>>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>>>>- Keep away from emergency responders
>>>>
>>>> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>>
>>>> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>- Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in
>>>>your current or planned location
>>>>- Interactive maps with filtering options
>>>>- Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
>>>>
>>>> *Additional Resources*
>>>>
>>>> *General Information about UAS:*
>>>>
>>>>- www.faa.gov/uas
>>>>
>>>> *Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:*
>>>>
>>>>- www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>>- www.knowbeforeyoufly.org
>>>>- www.modelaircraft.org
>>>>
>>>> *Information about flight requirements and restrictions:*
>>>>
>>>>- www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
>>>>- faa.gov/tfr
>>>>- www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>>>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>>>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Josh Reynolds]

$51 and part of a hot dog

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> $50
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
>> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
>> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
>> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
>> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>> Make me an offer.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>> jpkel...@ckswireless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was that
>>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at least,
>>> a sport pilot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>
>>> CKS Wireless
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business, such
>>> as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial use?*
>>>
>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS rule
>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry would
>>> use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From my registration:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>>> aircraft:*
>>>
>>>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>>>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>>>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>>>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>>>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>>>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>>>- Keep away from emergency responders
>>>
>>> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>
>>> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>>>
>>>
>>>- Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in
>>>your current or planned location
>>>- Interactive maps with filtering options
>>>- Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
>>>
>>> *Additional Resources*
>>>
>>> *General Information about UAS:*
>>>
>>>- www.faa.gov/uas
>>>
>>> *Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:*
>>>
>>>- www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>- www.knowbeforeyoufly.org
>>>- www.modelaircraft.org
>>>
>>> *Information about flight requirements and restrictions:*
>>>
>>>- www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
>>>- faa.gov/tfr
>>>- www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Josh Luthman]

$50


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
> Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
> batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
> just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
> reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
> Make me an offer.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <jpkel...@ckswireless.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
>> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was that
>> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at least,
>> a sport pilot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>
>> CKS Wireless
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>
>>
>>
>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>
>>
>>
>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business, such
>> as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial use?*
>>
>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
>> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS rule
>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry would
>> use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
>> inspection, general shenanigans)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From my registration:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>> aircraft:*
>>
>>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>>- Keep away from emergency responders
>>
>> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>
>> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>>
>>
>>- Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in
>>your current or planned location
>>- Interactive maps with filtering options
>>- Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
>>
>> *Additional Resources*
>>
>> *General Information about UAS:*
>>
>>- www.faa.gov/uas
>>
>> *Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:*
>>
>>- www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>- www.knowbeforeyoufly.org
>>- www.modelaircraft.org
>>
>> *Information about flight requirements and restrictions:*
>>
>>- www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
>>- faa.gov/tfr
>>- www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>
>>
>>
>> What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Sam Lambie]

Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I have 2
Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky Transmitter and 7
batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. Works great. I am
just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and people lame ass
reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
Make me an offer.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <jpkel...@ckswireless.com>
wrote:

> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE
> convention in New Orleans and the information that was given there was that
> any commercial operation of a drone required the operator to be, at least,
> a sport pilot.
>
>
>
> Jon Paul Kelley
>
> CKS Wireless
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>
>
>
> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>
>
>
> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business, such
> as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial use?*
>
> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the
> functions of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any
> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333
> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS rule
> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be able to
> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry would
> use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
> inspection, general shenanigans)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> From my registration:
>
>
>
>
> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
> aircraft:*
>
>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>- Keep away from emergency responders
>
> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>
> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>
>
>- Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in your
>current or planned location
>- Interactive maps with filtering options
>- Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
>
> *Additional Resources*
>
> *General Information about UAS:*
>
>- www.faa.gov/uas
>
> *Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:*
>
>- www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>- www.knowbeforeyoufly.org
>- www.modelaircraft.org
>
> *Information about flight requirements and restrictions:*
>
>- www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
>- faa.gov/tfr
>- www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>
>
>
> What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Jon Paul Kelley]

I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at the NATE convention 
in New Orleans and the information that was given there was that any commercial 
operation of a drone required the operator to be, at least, a sport pilot. 

 

Jon Paul Kelley

CKS Wireless

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

 

never mind, i guess this answers the question

 

Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business, such as by 
checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial use?

A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the functions of 
your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any non-recreational use of 
an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333 exemption from the Federal Aviation 
Administration. Once the small UAS rule is in place, which should occur later 
this year, you will then be able to operate commercially under the new 
regulation.

 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry would use it 
for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey, inspection, general 
shenanigans)

 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:

 

>From my registration:

 


Remember these simple safety guidelines when
flying your unmanned aircraft:

*   Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS 
*   Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles 
*   Stay away from other aircraft at all times 
*   Keep your UAS within your sight 
*   Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people 
*   Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol 
*   Keep away from emergency responders

For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft 


B4UFLY Smartphone App

  <https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNgZ9JdUEAAdIRO.png> 

*   Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in your 
current or planned location 
*   Interactive maps with filtering options 
*   Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store

Additional Resources

General Information about UAS:

*   www.faa.gov/uas

Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:

*   www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft 
*   www.knowbeforeyoufly.org 
*   www.modelaircraft.org

Information about flight requirements and restrictions:

*   www.faa.gov/go/uastfr 
*   faa.gov/tfr 
*   www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc

 

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

 

What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

never mind, i guess this answers the question

*Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my business, such as
by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. Is this commercial use?*

A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports the functions
of your business as a non-recreational use. Curently, any non-recreational
use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 333 exemption from the
Federal Aviation Administration. Once the small UAS rule is in place, which
should occur later this year, you will then be able to operate commercially
under the new regulation.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry would
> use it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey,
> inspection, general shenanigans)
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:
>
>>
>> From my registration:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
>> aircraft:*
>>
>>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>>- Keep away from emergency responders
>>
>> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>
>> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>>
>>
>>- Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in
>>your current or planned location
>>- Interactive maps with filtering options
>>- Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
>>
>> *Additional Resources*
>>
>> *General Information about UAS:*
>>
>>- www.faa.gov/uas
>>
>> *Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:*
>>
>>- www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>- www.knowbeforeyoufly.org
>>- www.modelaircraft.org
>>
>> *Information about flight requirements and restrictions:*
>>
>>- www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
>>- faa.gov/tfr
>>- www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>
>>
>> What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our industry would use
it for is considered recreational or commercial (site survey, inspection,
general shenanigans)

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

>
> From my registration:
>
>
>
> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your unmanned
> aircraft:*
>
>- Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>- Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>- Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>- Keep your UAS within your sight
>- Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>- Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>- Keep away from emergency responders
>
> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>
> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>
>
>- Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in your
>current or planned location
>- Interactive maps with filtering options
>- Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
>
> *Additional Resources*
>
> *General Information about UAS:*
>
>- www.faa.gov/uas
>
> *Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:*
>
>- www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>- www.knowbeforeyoufly.org
>- www.modelaircraft.org
>
> *Information about flight requirements and restrictions:*
>
>- www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
>- faa.gov/tfr
>- www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
>
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>
>
> What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Ben Royer]

>From my registration:

  Remember these simple safety guidelines when
  flying your unmanned aircraft:

a.. Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS 
b.. Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles 
c.. Stay away from other aircraft at all times 
d.. Keep your UAS within your sight 
e.. Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people 
f.. Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol 
g.. Keep away from emergency responders
  For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft 
 
  B4UFLY Smartphone App



a.. Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and requirements in 
your current or planned location 
b.. Interactive maps with filtering options 
c.. Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
 Additional Resources

  General Information about UAS:

a.. www.faa.gov/uas
  Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:

a.. www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft 
b.. www.knowbeforeyoufly.org 
c.. www.modelaircraft.org
  Information about flight requirements and restrictions:

a.. www.faa.gov/go/uastfr 
b.. faa.gov/tfr 
c.. www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
 


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads

Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws

[Adam Moffett]

I think you have register your quad copter if it's heavier than 2 
pounds.



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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/17/2016 2:25:44 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Drones and laws


What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around railroads

Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[Chuck Hogg]

Starting a business, probably not.  I know that some of the major tower
engineering firms are already doing it.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:

 How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews?

 I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a
 business over.





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 *Franklin, IN 46131*

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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[TJ Trout]

no one can get an exemption
On Jul 30, 2015 12:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I remember reading about farmers getting smacked for surveying their own
 fields, but it was from on of those threepercentnation type rags, so salt
 needed

 But we have a guy with one who is going to do some demos for us to see if
 its worth getting one. Im pretty sure the boss just want to try that
 particular model out before he buys one, I dont think there is any if in
 the decision

 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com
 wrote:

 I think you as a business could buy one and use it but if you charged
 someone for drone services you'd get in t r o u b l e.



 insert Gray area



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
 Christian (List Account)
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:46 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones  Inspections



 The FAA rules make this difficult.   Last I checked using a drone
 commercially is a big no-no.

 On Jul 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 t...@franklinisp.net wrote:

 How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews?

 I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a
 business over.





 *Tyson Burris, President*
 *Internet Communications Inc.*
 *739 Commerce Dr.*
 *Franklin, IN 46131*

 *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #*
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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[Justin Wilson - MTIN]

If you don’t charge for the drone services then you can skirt by.  Things like 
“video editing services” and “video processing fees” are thrown around in the 
AG community a lot. 

Justin

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 On Jul 30, 2015, at 3:53 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
 
 no one can get an exemption
 
 On Jul 30, 2015 12:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
 mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
 I remember reading about farmers getting smacked for surveying their own 
 fields, but it was from on of those threepercentnation type rags, so salt 
 needed
 
 But we have a guy with one who is going to do some demos for us to see if its 
 worth getting one. Im pretty sure the boss just want to try that particular 
 model out before he buys one, I dont think there is any if in the decision
 
 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com 
 mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote:
 I think you as a business could buy one and use it but if you charged someone 
 for drone services you'd get in t r o u b l e.
 
  
 
 insert Gray area
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
 Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:46 PM
 To: af
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drones  Inspections
 
  
 
 The FAA rules make this difficult.   Last I checked using a drone 
 commercially is a big no-no.  
 
 On Jul 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 t...@franklinisp.net mailto:t...@franklinisp.net wrote:
 
 How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews?
 
 I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a 
 business over.
 
  
 
  
 
 Tyson Burris, President 
 Internet Communications Inc. 
 739 Commerce Dr. 
 Franklin, IN 46131 
   
 317-738-0320 tel:317-738-0320 Daytime # 
 317-412-1540 tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
 Online: www.surfici.net http://www.surfici.net/
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[Work]

If the tower is blasting on all frequancys how do you get to the too without 
interfering with your self are there drones in the HAM band?



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On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:53 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:

 no one can get an exemption
 On Jul 30, 2015 12:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I remember reading about farmers getting smacked for surveying their own
 fields, but it was from on of those threepercentnation type rags, so salt
 needed

 But we have a guy with one who is going to do some demos for us to see if
 its worth getting one. Im pretty sure the boss just want to try that
 particular model out before he buys one, I dont think there is any if in
 the decision

 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com
 wrote:

 I think you as a business could buy one and use it but if you charged
 someone for drone services you'd get in t r o u b l e.



 insert Gray area



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
 Christian (List Account)
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:46 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones  Inspections



 The FAA rules make this difficult.   Last I checked using a drone
 commercially is a big no-no.

 On Jul 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 t...@franklinisp.net wrote:

 How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews?

 I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a
 business over.





 *Tyson Burris, President*
 *Internet Communications Inc.*
 *739 Commerce Dr.*
 *Franklin, IN 46131*

 *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #*
 *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #*
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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The FAA rules make this difficult.   Last I checked using a drone
commercially is a big no-no.
On Jul 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:

 How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews?

 I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a
 business over.





 *Tyson Burris, President*
 *Internet Communications Inc.*
 *739 Commerce Dr.*
 *Franklin, IN 46131*

 *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #*
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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

I just confirmed the following for commercial use:

 

333 Exemption

Private Pilot license

 

If you have both your golden.

 

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Account)
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:46 PM
To: af af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drones  Inspections

 

The FAA rules make this difficult.   Last I checked using a drone commercially 
is a big no-no.   

On Jul 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
t...@franklinisp.net mailto:t...@franklinisp.net  wrote:

How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews? 

I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a 
business over.

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 tel:317-738-0320  Daytime # 
317-412-1540 tel:317-412-1540  Cell/Direct # 
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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[Andy Trimmell]

I think you as a business could buy one and use it but if you charged someone 
for drone services you'd get in t r o u b l e.

 

insert Gray area 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:46 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drones  Inspections

 

The FAA rules make this difficult.   Last I checked using a drone commercially 
is a big no-no.   

On Jul 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
t...@franklinisp.net wrote:

How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews? 

I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a 
business over.

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net http://www.surfici.net  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I remember reading about farmers getting smacked for surveying their own
fields, but it was from on of those threepercentnation type rags, so salt
needed

But we have a guy with one who is going to do some demos for us to see if
its worth getting one. Im pretty sure the boss just want to try that
particular model out before he buys one, I dont think there is any if in
the decision

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com
wrote:

 I think you as a business could buy one and use it but if you charged
 someone for drone services you'd get in t r o u b l e.



 insert Gray area



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
 (List Account)
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:46 PM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones  Inspections



 The FAA rules make this difficult.   Last I checked using a drone
 commercially is a big no-no.

 On Jul 30, 2015 12:18 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 t...@franklinisp.net wrote:

 How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews?

 I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it’s worth starting a
 business over.





 *Tyson Burris, President*
 *Internet Communications Inc.*
 *739 Commerce Dr.*
 *Franklin, IN 46131*

 *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #*
 *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #*
 *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net



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Re: [AFMUG] Drones Inspections

[Eric Rogers]

I thought the commercial use (for hire) was only authorized with a
commercially licensed pilot.  Hobbyists have raised the question to the
FAA, but I didn't think there were any rulings.  I would love to use a
drone, but I also don't want fines from the FAA, along with risking
fines from the FCC...

 

I know Mark Radabaugh was telling me some about this.  Maybe he can
chime in here.

 

Eric Rogers



  

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(317) 831-3000 x200

 

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Internet Communications Inc
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:19 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Drones  Inspections

 

How many of you guys are using drones for tower inspections and reviews?


I got a guy wanting to know how common it is and if it's worth starting
a business over.

 

 

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Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 

 

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