Janeiro, Brazil,
see http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~vgg/misc/iccv07/
Mark Everingham
Luc Van Gool
Chris Williams
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so second-generation PS3's can be quite interesting.
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interesting. Do you have a few papers, or even some results
we could look at?
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nanotechnology.
considers itself you? The up-load also considers itself you and may
suggest a bullet.
How is that different from identical twins? I hope you're not suggesting
suicide to your twin brother.
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(but
for a lucky few, for whom both are identical).
The interesting capability threshold in AI is autopoietic automation
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which is about insect-level for macroscale self-replicators in
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population of a few trillions. The cybervillage
idiots will never even be a single screen blip.
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The Death of a Beautiful Theory? Dopamine And Reward Prediction Error
Category: Artificial Intelligence • Cognitive Neuroscience • Computational
Modeling Posted on: April 11, 2007 12:07 PM, by Chris
the numerical libraries of Fortran...
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in comparison to
a hypothetical AI designed by people. The complexity in the behaviour
comes from the neuroanatomy, not the code. The code is vanilla numerics.
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in violent agreement here. I wish we could get Markram or someone
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in machina you can't do in
vivo.
Does Blue Brain really need this level of detail to study intelligence?
Absolutely. And I have a feeling this project will not turn out a dud,
unlike so many others.
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are other people's estimates?
10^17 sites, 10^23 OPs/s total. The transformation
complexity might very well be 100 kLoC, or even 10 kLoC.
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accurately estimate it's features?
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at least a subset of the language.
The whole language metaphor in AI is a crock. It makes so many smart
people go chasing wild geese up blind alleys.
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have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. I'm hazarding
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NO knowledge produces useless conjectures.
Yes. This is why I stick to what biology can do in a given volume, because
it's the only working instance we can analyze.
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Why evolution? Why not neuroscience?
Opinion
I was reading about Numenta's NuPIC platform today, and it occurred to me
that there are really two big promising
perspective on this, I'd be interested.
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on SEXPRs? What does
it improve on the CL Lisp model?
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common properties, their basic principles and procedures are
quite different.
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looked at so far.
Does your language allow you to do asynchronous message passing (no shared
memory) across a signalling mesh, involving millions and billions of
asynchronous, concurrent units?
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, such things gets postponed until they fall off
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respond by pointing me to how to post email URL's. Your arrogance surely
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the computational potential of the current hardware.
It's best to learn to walk before trying to win the sprinter Olympics, no?
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be interesting to see which sensory modalities are optimal
e.g. for medical voxelsets. One could wire a 3d retina on the voxelset,
or let the system look at the space/time domains directly, and let
it build its own processing and representation.
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:47:35AM -0700, David Clark wrote:
In my previous email, I mistakenly edited out the part from Yan King Yin and
it looks like the We know that logic is easy was attributed to him when it
was actually a quote of Eugen Leitl.
Sorry for my mistake.
It's not your
for the record of any future readers: not all of us are quite that
silly.
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A nice Ph.D. thesis:
http://cogprints.org/5442/01/thesis.pdf
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codes the neuronal wiring explicitly?
I will point you to
http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg04853.html
Hmm...was the 1MB just a blue sky guess, or did you follow a similar
chain of reasoning?
That's a remarkably rusty chain.
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?
http://www.genomesize.com/statistics.php
It's not the size that matters.
(1) You need to account for control information. I simply doubled
my protein coding estimate, but of course this could be off.
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*that* number come from?
able to demonstrate adaptiveness, robustness, learning, and reflective
control with 10 to 100 -- which I have the horsepower for.
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optimization. The real brain may hold 10 million concepts but I should...
Where did *that* number come from?
ls /proc/brain/concepts | wc
My neocortex firmware is way out of date, mine unfortunately doesn't
come with procvfs. Time for a reflash...
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You don't need the entire four billion years since you don't have
to start from scratch (animals, ahem), and you can put things on
fast-forward, and select the fitness function for a heavy bias towards
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this as well as losing a lot of potential for other kinds of creativity...
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premature when I told him he's going
to use voxels for his NEMS and MEMS stuff. Last time I looked Zyvex was
selling voxel rendering for their MEMS visualisation packages).
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demonstrations.
Lisp does not particularly excel at these numerics-heavy applications, though
e.g.
Koza used a subset of Lisp sexpr with reasonably good results. MIT Scheme folks
demonstrated
automated chip design long ago, so in principle Lisp could play well with
today's large FPGAs.
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slow: IronPython is .Net, and extending/expanding
Python for the prototype you do in C is the standard approach.
A possible solution for those who're loath to touch hardware design: Erlang.
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(Of course AI is a massively parallel number-crunching application...
Disagree.
That it is massively parallel, or number-crunching? Or neither
massively-parallel,
nor number-crunching?
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be of interest to some AGI folks.
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On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 11:03:38PM -0500, Ben Goertzel wrote:
But, Novamente is certainly architected to take advantage of their
1000-qubit version for various tasks, when it comes out... ;-)
Which part of it is massively parallel, and suitable for QC?
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performance) completely burns Moore (which isn't about performance,
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computational neuroscientists and
neuroscientists in your list. Psychology is too high-level to be
a useful source of constraints).
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Generation Project and (Naive)
Neural Networks.
Or not http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/hist.html
http://www.stottlerhenke.com/ai_general/history.htm
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IBM) continue to harp on the
brain-emulation approach to the exclusion of other approaches, the
prophecy that human brain emulation will be the initial path to AGI
could become a self-fulfilling one ;-p ...
In this race, there are no second places.
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swoop.
becomes feasible. Don't you agree?
I'm not Ben, but I disagree emphatically. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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This doesn't mean human experts know their inner state, or can freeze
and serialize it, and that other instances can instantiate such serialized
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not only mailing lists; I'd say they're a bane everywhere.
In case you need a moderator, I'm here.
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On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:28:57AM -0400, Danny G. Goe wrote:
What are the measurable fitness functions that can be built into AI?
You don't seem to be really communicating, only going through the motions.
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as observers don't really scale, but are very effective,
especially for complex tasks), a good first step is to build an
artificial reality simulator, and set up your problem there. Game
engines would be natural, and neatly allow to combine human and
nonhuman agent interactions.
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http://lemonodor.com/archives
to package a lot of general intelligence in
a smaller footprint than our average higher primate.
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is not necessarily required, then we should
naturally use symbolic/logic representations since they are so much more
convenient to program and to run on von Neumann hardware.
You can't make AI on von Neumann (in the general sense) hardware.
If you have 10^6 meshed cores it's no longer von-Neumann.
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ourselves to throwing a lot of resources at problems like visual
perception.)
Human resources, or computational resources? If computational resources,
which architecture?
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a robot capable of playing tennis
in a heavy hail, how would you do it?
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ratio of wall clock:simulation time (are
you at all over realtime, or do you prefer 1:1 for
better observation/interactivity?
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, are they tagged with a time sequence,
so that we remember when and/or in what order they happened, and how
do we judge how far apart in time events occurred? Is there some
brain code for time, with a 1D metric on it to judge distance?
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, and
in many ways complementary. A synthesis of both
(a blog/forum/email) would be best, but this hasn't
been done yet properly.
So for time being, the forum is a very different
medium from the list, and we should keep both
for those who're more comfortable with either.
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the same.
I'm not posting to the forum because I never post to forums.
Another advantage is that it will expose the discussions to google and
it will draw more people with increasing content.
If list archives are not public, something is very wrong with this list's
architecture.
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http://www.tyan.com/PRODUCTS/html/typhoon_b2881.html
Notice the Direct Connect Architecture part. Online
pricing looks very reasonable.
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for the mutual information between inputs to
different neurons in that area.
I'm not sure you can separate the processing so cleanly into modules,
connected by interfaces. What's wrong with looking at metabolic rate,
and how much spiking flows over across an arbitrary boundary?
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there is a down-gradient path to it and
particularly when complex exacts a cost. It's just
that human biases are struck more by the complicated
examples and you notice them more.
Human primates are not exactly simple, and that's about
all we really care here.
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with
mirror neurons and a human baby environment would
be a good first step.
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of it.
What was your operational definition of friendliness, again?
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fairness, this switch to overemphasis on rigor, while not absolutely true,
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. That combination of serious horsepower with much lower costs is
typically the right recipe for a decent start-up, and we'll be curious to see
how things progress in the coming months.
You can have a look at the DRC kit here
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of the best performance test of any AI System.
An AI which only sees the raw numbers can't develop a better market
representation than a relatively simple predictor.
This should help fund any AI with a very abundant cash flow.
Let the games begin...
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other words, an artificial intelligence that can pass as a human in written
conversations. Wisely or not, Google wants to be a new sort of deus ex machina.
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