RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

ually dishonest as you become when you start loosing an argument. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:r...@lightlink.com] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:03 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was Building a ma

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ed Porter wrote: Why is it that people who repeatedly and insultingly say other people’s work or ideas are total "nonsense" -- without any reasonable justification -- are still allowed to participate in the discussion on the AGI list? Because they know what they are talking about. And becaus

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

ge- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:r...@lightlink.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:54 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience Ed Porter wrote: > I don't thi

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

cember 23, 2008 7:55 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was Building a machine that can learn from experience Ed, Comments interspersed below: Ed Porter wrote: Colin, Here are my comments re the following parts of your below post: =

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Criticizing AGI for not being neuroscience, and criticizing AGI programs for not trying to precisely emulate humans, is really a bit silly. One can of course make and test scientific hypotheses about the behavior of AGI systems, quite independent of their potential relationship to human beings. A

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ed, Comments interspersed below: Ed Porter wrote: Colin, Here are my comments re the following parts of your below post: ===Colin said==> I merely point out that there are fundamental limits as to how computer science (CS) can inform/validate basic/physical science - (in a

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:53 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was Building a machine that can learn from experience Ed Porter wrote: > Richard, > > Please describe some of the counterexamples, that you can easily come up >

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

ng, credit assignment, attention control, etc. Ed Porter -----Original Message----- From: Colin Hales [mailto:c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:36 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was Building a mach

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

>> paper (the molecular model). Knowing that his conclusion was >> flat-out untrue for that one case, and for a whole class of similar >>systems, his argument was toast. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-O

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:r...@lightlink.com <mailto:r...@lightlink.com>] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:54 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com <mailto:agi@v2.listbox.com> Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was Building a

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

onsciousness paper (the molecular model). > Knowing that his conclusion was flat-out untrue for that one case, and for > a whole class of similar systems, his argument was toast. > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- >> From: Richard Loosemore [ma

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

istbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience Ed Porter wrote: I don't think this AGI list should be so quick to dismiss a $4.9 million dollar grant to create an AGI. It will not necessarily be "vaporware."

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

uot;, then the > study of the types of computation that are done in the mind is part of that > science, and AGI is the study of many of the same functions. > > > > So your post might explain the reason for a current cultural divide, but it > does not really provide a justificati

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

rd people at such event describe the benefits of. Ed Porter -Original Message- *From:* Colin Hales [mailto:c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au] *Sent:* Monday, December 22, 2008 6:19 PM *To:* agi@v2.listbox.com *Subject:* Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was Building

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

ubject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience Ben Goertzel wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ed Porter wrote: Ben, Thanks for the reply. It is a shame the brain science people aren't more intereste

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ben Goertzel wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ed Porter > wrote: Ben, Thanks for the reply. It is a shame the brain science people aren't more interested in AGI. It seems to me there is a lot of potential for cross-fertil

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ed Porter wrote: > Ben, > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > It is a shame the brain science people aren't more interested in AGI. It > seems to me there is a lot of potential for cross-fertilization. > I don't think many of these folks have a principled or

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008 9:26 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was Building a machine that can learn from experience Hi, So if the researcher on this project have been learning some of your ideas, and some of the better speculative thinking and neural simula

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

bject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was Building a machine that can learn from experience Ed Porter wrote: > I don't think this AGI list should be so quick to dismiss a $4.9 million > dollar grant to create an AGI. It will not necessarily be "vaporware." &

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Hi, > > > So if the researcher on this project have been learning some of your ideas, > and some of the better speculative thinking and neural simulations that have > been done in brains science --- either directly or indirectly --- it might > be incorrect to say that "there is no 'design for a th

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ed Porter wrote: I don’t think this AGI list should be so quick to dismiss a $4.9 million dollar grant to create an AGI. It will not necessarily be “vaporware.” I think we should view it as a good sign. Even if it is for a project that runs the risk, like many DARPA projects (like most sc

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ben Goertzel wrote: I know Dharmendra Mohdha a bit, and I've corresponded with Eugene Izhikevich who is Edelman's collaborator on large-scale brain simulations. I've read Tononi's stuff too. I think these are all smart people with deep understandings, and all in all this will be research m

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

general and AI funders in particular. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:b...@goertzel.org] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:17 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experie

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

2008/12/21 Ben Goertzel : > However, IMO the rhetoric associating it with "thinking machine building" is > premature and borderline dishonest. It's marketing rhetoric. It's more > like "interesting brain simulation research that could eventually play a > role in some future thinking-machine-build

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

I know Dharmendra Mohdha a bit, and I've corresponded with Eugene Izhikevich who is Edelman's collaborator on large-scale brain simulations. I've read Tononi's stuff too. I think these are all smart people with deep understandings, and all in all this will be research money well spent. However,