[agi] Connectionists: ANNOUNCE: PASCAL Visual Object Classes Recognition Challenge 2007

2007-05-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
Janeiro, Brazil, see http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~vgg/misc/iccv07/ Mark Everingham Luc Van Gool Chris Williams John Winn Andrew Zisserman - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] mouse uploading

2007-04-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
, so second-generation PS3's can be quite interesting. Of course, one could always wait for Barcelona, not many months away now. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http

Re: [agi] Re: Why do you think your AGI design will work?

2007-04-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
interesting. Do you have a few papers, or even some results we could look at? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA

Re: [agi] How should an AGI ponder about mathematics

2007-04-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
nanotechnology. considers itself you? The up-load also considers itself you and may suggest a bullet. How is that different from identical twins? I hope you're not suggesting suicide to your twin brother. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] Low I.Q. AGI

2007-04-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
(but for a lucky few, for whom both are identical). The interesting capability threshold in AI is autopoietic automation a la http://www.molecularassembler.com/KSRM.htm which is about insect-level for macroscale self-replicators in an unsupportive environment. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: [agi] Low I.Q. AGI

2007-04-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
be made that reconstructing function from structure (which in principle can be obtained from vitrified brain sections at arbitrary resolution) is less far off than AI bootstrap. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] Low I.Q. AGI

2007-04-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
population of a few trillions. The cybervillage idiots will never even be a single screen blip. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D

[agi] dopamine and reward prediction error

2007-04-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
http://scienceblogs.com/developingintelligence/2007/04/the_death_of_a_beautiful_theor.php The Death of a Beautiful Theory? Dopamine And Reward Prediction Error Category: Artificial Intelligence • Cognitive Neuroscience • Computational Modeling Posted on: April 11, 2007 12:07 PM, by Chris

Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda

2007-04-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
the numerical libraries of Fortran... -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
in comparison to a hypothetical AI designed by people. The complexity in the behaviour comes from the neuroanatomy, not the code. The code is vanilla numerics. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
in violent agreement here. I wish we could get Markram or someone from his group to the Oxford seminar. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
hardware. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list is sponsored

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
in machina you can't do in vivo. Does Blue Brain really need this level of detail to study intelligence? Absolutely. And I have a feeling this project will not turn out a dud, unlike so many others. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] Growing a Brain in Switzerland

2007-04-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
it in a classical machine). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list

Re: [agi] small code small hardware

2007-03-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
are other people's estimates? 10^17 sites, 10^23 OPs/s total. The transformation complexity might very well be 100 kLoC, or even 10 kLoC. But that code is worthless without the magic data. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] small code small hardware

2007-03-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
of an intelligence) every morning in the shaving mirror. As I said, you'll know AGI when it hits the job market and the news. accurately estimate it's features? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100

Re: [agi] small code small hardware

2007-03-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
at least a subset of the language. The whole language metaphor in AI is a crock. It makes so many smart people go chasing wild geese up blind alleys. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100

Re: [agi] small code small hardware

2007-03-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. I'm hazarding that you yourself don't, either. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA

Re: [agi] small code small hardware

2007-03-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
NO knowledge produces useless conjectures. Yes. This is why I stick to what biology can do in a given volume, because it's the only working instance we can analyze. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM

[agi] Why evolution? Why not neuroscience?

2007-03-23 Thread Eugen Leitl
http://www.greythumb.org/blog/index.php?/archives/193-Why-evolution-Why-not-neuroscience.html#extended Tuesday, March 20. 2007 Why evolution? Why not neuroscience? Opinion I was reading about Numenta's NuPIC platform today, and it occurred to me that there are really two big promising

Re: [agi] Why evolution? Why not neuroscience?

2007-03-23 Thread Eugen Leitl
perspective on this, I'd be interested. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list

Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda

2007-03-23 Thread Eugen Leitl
on SEXPRs? What does it improve on the CL Lisp model? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29

Re: [agi] Why evolution? Why not neuroscience?

2007-03-23 Thread Eugen Leitl
common properties, their basic principles and procedures are quite different. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014

Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda

2007-03-23 Thread Eugen Leitl
looked at so far. Does your language allow you to do asynchronous message passing (no shared memory) across a signalling mesh, involving millions and billions of asynchronous, concurrent units? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] Fwd: Numenta Newsletter: March 20, 2007

2007-03-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
, such things gets postponed until they fall off the stack. Sorry for that, but my time is not infinite. respond by pointing me to how to post email URL's. Your arrogance surely exceeds your intelligence. I'm quite sure of that. -- David Clark - Original Message - From: Eugen Leitl

Re: [agi] Fwd: Numenta Newsletter: March 20, 2007

2007-03-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
the computational potential of the current hardware. It's best to learn to walk before trying to win the sprinter Olympics, no? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http

Re: [agi] Fwd: Numenta Newsletter: March 20, 2007

2007-03-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
be interesting to see which sensory modalities are optimal e.g. for medical voxelsets. One could wire a 3d retina on the voxelset, or let the system look at the space/time domains directly, and let it build its own processing and representation. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http

Re: [agi] Fwd: Numenta Newsletter: March 20, 2007

2007-03-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
will disagree. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list is sponsored

Re: [agi] Fwd: Numenta Newsletter: March 20, 2007

2007-03-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:47:35AM -0700, David Clark wrote: In my previous email, I mistakenly edited out the part from Yan King Yin and it looks like the We know that logic is easy was attributed to him when it was actually a quote of Eugen Leitl. Sorry for my mistake. It's not your

Re: [agi] structure of the mind

2007-03-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
for the record of any future readers: not all of us are quite that silly. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0

[agi] design and control of self-organizing systems

2007-03-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
A nice Ph.D. thesis: http://cogprints.org/5442/01/thesis.pdf -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A

Re: [agi] horsepower

2007-03-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
codes the neuronal wiring explicitly? I will point you to http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg04853.html Hmm...was the 1MB just a blue sky guess, or did you follow a similar chain of reasoning? That's a remarkably rusty chain. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http

Re: [agi] horsepower

2007-03-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
? http://www.genomesize.com/statistics.php It's not the size that matters. (1) You need to account for control information. I simply doubled my protein coding estimate, but of course this could be off. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda

2007-03-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
*that* number come from? able to demonstrate adaptiveness, robustness, learning, and reflective control with 10 to 100 -- which I have the horsepower for. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100

Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda

2007-03-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
. optimization. The real brain may hold 10 million concepts but I should... Where did *that* number come from? ls /proc/brain/concepts | wc My neocortex firmware is way out of date, mine unfortunately doesn't come with procvfs. Time for a reflash... -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

Re: [agi] My proposal for an AGI agenda

2007-03-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
really recommend that as many list subscribers who can afford the time (they're cheap) to read these two books. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com

Re: [agi] horsepower

2007-03-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
idea. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http

Re: [agi] Logical representation

2007-03-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
that You don't need the entire four billion years since you don't have to start from scratch (animals, ahem), and you can put things on fast-forward, and select the fitness function for a heavy bias towards intelligence. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] Logical representation

2007-03-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
, fire away. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list is sponsored by AGIRI

Re: [agi] The Missing Piece

2007-03-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
. this as well as losing a lot of potential for other kinds of creativity... -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0

Re: [agi] general weak ai

2007-03-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
premature when I told him he's going to use voxels for his NEMS and MEMS stuff. Last time I looked Zyvex was selling voxel rendering for their MEMS visualisation packages). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities]

2007-02-18 Thread Eugen Leitl
demonstrations. Lisp does not particularly excel at these numerics-heavy applications, though e.g. Koza used a subset of Lisp sexpr with reasonably good results. MIT Scheme folks demonstrated automated chip design long ago, so in principle Lisp could play well with today's large FPGAs. -- Eugen* Leitl

Re: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities]

2007-02-18 Thread Eugen Leitl
slow: IronPython is .Net, and extending/expanding Python for the prototype you do in C is the standard approach. A possible solution for those who're loath to touch hardware design: Erlang. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities]

2007-02-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
(Of course AI is a massively parallel number-crunching application... Disagree. That it is massively parallel, or number-crunching? Or neither massively-parallel, nor number-crunching? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

[agi] the birth of the mind

2007-02-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
be of interest to some AGI folks. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE - This list is sponsored

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Beowulf] [PCGrid 2007] call for participation: workshop on desktop grids]

2007-02-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443

Re: [agi] Quantum Computing Demo Announcement

2007-02-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 11:03:38PM -0500, Ben Goertzel wrote: But, Novamente is certainly architected to take advantage of their 1000-qubit version for various tasks, when it comes out... ;-) Which part of it is massively parallel, and suitable for QC? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

Re: [agi] Quantum Computing Demo Announcement

2007-02-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
doubles performance) completely burns Moore (which isn't about performance, but just integration density -- both are quite different things). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Comp-neuro] ISIPTA '07 Second Call for Papers]

2007-02-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
/comp-neuro - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [IP] Stanford EE CS Colloq] Computer Architecture is Back * 4:15PM, Wed Jan 31, 2007 in Gates B01]

2007-01-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A

Re: [agi] About the brain-emulation route to AGI

2007-01-23 Thread Eugen Leitl
computational neuroscientists and neuroscientists in your list. Psychology is too high-level to be a useful source of constraints). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http

Re: [agi] About the brain-emulation route to AGI

2007-01-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
Generation Project and (Naive) Neural Networks. Or not http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/hist.html http://www.stottlerhenke.com/ai_general/history.htm -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100

Re: [agi] (video)The Future of Cognitive Computing

2007-01-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
IBM) continue to harp on the brain-emulation approach to the exclusion of other approaches, the prophecy that human brain emulation will be the initial path to AGI could become a self-fulfilling one ;-p ... In this race, there are no second places. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl

Re: [agi] (video)The Future of Cognitive Computing

2007-01-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
swoop. becomes feasible. Don't you agree? I'm not Ben, but I disagree emphatically. Feel free to prove me wrong. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Beowulf] [PCGRID07] Call for Papers for Workshop on Desktop Grids]

2006-08-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
, Beowulf@beowulf.org To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM

Re: [agi] Marcus Hutter's lossless compression of human knowledge prize

2006-08-20 Thread Eugen Leitl
of cloned objects. This doesn't mean human experts know their inner state, or can freeze and serialize it, and that other instances can instantiate such serialized state. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [alife] New book published - Artificial Cognition Systems]

2006-08-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
-group.com/books/details.asp?id=6047 ___ alife-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/alife-announce - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Beowulf] new release of GAMMA and MPI/GAMMA]

2006-08-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
/listinfo/beowulf - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [silk] moderating online conversations]

2006-07-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
, not abstract justice. -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com)) - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http

Re: [agi] [META] Is there anything we can do to keep junk out of the AGI Forum?

2006-07-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 10:20:17PM -0400, Mike Dougherty wrote: not only mailing lists; I'd say they're a bane everywhere. In case you need a moderator, I'm here. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

[agi] Penn researchers calculate how much the eye tells the brain

2006-07-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
hospital; and Penn Presbyterian Medical Center); a faculty practice plan; a primary-care provider network; two multispecialty satellite facilities; and home care and hospice. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] Flow charts? Source Code? .. Computing Intelligence? How too? ................. ping

2006-07-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
with trying to stay alive. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --- To unsubscribe, change

Re: [agi] Flow charts? Source Code? .. Computing Intelligence? How too? ................. ping

2006-07-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
acceptable way? Shane -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --- To unsubscribe

Re: [agi] Processing speed for core intelligence in human brain

2006-07-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
is a speed factor, kemo sabe? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --- To unsubscribe

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Connectionists: CFP: Dynamics and Psychology]

2006-07-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
of Psychology Indiana University 1101 East 10th Street Bloomington, IN 47405 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Toni Gomila Department of Psychology University of the Balearic Islands E-07122 Palma de Mallorca - SPAIN e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

Re: [agi] Measuerabel Fitness Functions?.... Flow charts? Source Code? .. Computing Intelligence? How too? ................. ping

2006-07-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 10:28:57AM -0400, Danny G. Goe wrote: What are the measurable fitness functions that can be built into AI? You don't seem to be really communicating, only going through the motions. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] Computing Intelligence? How too? ................. ping

2006-07-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
as observers don't really scale, but are very effective, especially for complex tasks), a good first step is to build an artificial reality simulator, and set up your problem there. Game engines would be natural, and neatly allow to combine human and nonhuman agent interactions. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Htech] what is it like to be a spider?]

2006-06-30 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:30:48 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Htech] what is it like to be a spider? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lemonodor.com/archives

Re: [agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Htech] what is it like to be a spider?]

2006-06-30 Thread Eugen Leitl
to package a lot of general intelligence in a smaller footprint than our average higher primate. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [rael-science] First Molecular Proof That Some Aspects of Aging Are Out of Our Control]

2006-06-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
of Health and a BioFuture Grant from the German Federal Ministry for Education and Science. Source: Buck Institute for Age Research - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [nsg] Meeting Announcement]

2006-06-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
] http://polymathy.org/mailman/listinfo/nsg_polymathy.org - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Beowulf] Slection from processor choices; Requesting Giudence]

2006-06-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
is not necessarily required, then we should naturally use symbolic/logic representations since they are so much more convenient to program and to run on von Neumann hardware. You can't make AI on von Neumann (in the general sense) hardware. If you have 10^6 meshed cores it's no longer von-Neumann. -- Eugen

Re: Worthwhile time sinks was Re: [agi] list vs. forum

2006-06-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
edited out by a random user. It serves the purpose best, when the knowledge is already established. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
ourselves to throwing a lot of resources at problems like visual perception.) Human resources, or computational resources? If computational resources, which architecture? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
a robot capable of playing tennis in a heavy hail, how would you do it? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779

[agi] high-performance reality simulators

2006-06-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
ratio of wall clock:simulation time (are you at all over realtime, or do you prefer 1:1 for better observation/interactivity? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http

Re: [agi] Neural representations of negation and time?

2006-06-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
, are they tagged with a time sequence, so that we remember when and/or in what order they happened, and how do we judge how far apart in time events occurred? Is there some brain code for time, with a 1D metric on it to judge distance? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org

Re: [agi] list vs. forum

2006-06-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
, and in many ways complementary. A synthesis of both (a blog/forum/email) would be best, but this hasn't been done yet properly. So for time being, the forum is a very different medium from the list, and we should keep both for those who're more comfortable with either. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

Re: [agi] list vs. forum

2006-06-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
the same. I'm not posting to the forum because I never post to forums. Another advantage is that it will expose the discussions to google and it will draw more people with increasing content. If list archives are not public, something is very wrong with this list's architecture. -- Eugen* Leitl

[agi] cheap 8-core cluster

2006-06-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
http://www.tyan.com/PRODUCTS/html/typhoon_b2881.html Notice the Direct Connect Architecture part. Online pricing looks very reasonable. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820

Re: [agi] information in the brain?

2006-06-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
for the mutual information between inputs to different neurons in that area. I'm not sure you can separate the processing so cleanly into modules, connected by interfaces. What's wrong with looking at metabolic rate, and how much spiking flows over across an arbitrary boundary? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

Re: [agi] Two draft papers: AI and existential risk; heuristics and biases

2006-06-08 Thread Eugen Leitl
there is a down-gradient path to it and particularly when complex exacts a cost. It's just that human biases are struck more by the complicated examples and you notice them more. Human primates are not exactly simple, and that's about all we really care here. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

Re: [agi] Two draft papers: AI and existential risk; heuristics and biases

2006-06-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
with mirror neurons and a human baby environment would be a good first step. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A

Re: [agi] Two draft papers: AI and existential risk; heuristics and biases

2006-06-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
of it. What was your operational definition of friendliness, again? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Beowulf] coprocessor to do physics calculations]

2006-05-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
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[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Beowulf] coprocessor to do physics calculations]

2006-05-14 Thread Eugen Leitl
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[agi] who's looking for AI where?

2006-05-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [agi] Timing of Human-Level AGI [was: Joint Stewardship of Earth]

2006-05-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
data and formal reasoning; so in fairness, this switch to overemphasis on rigor, while not absolutely true, may be something he needs to do at the moment.) -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM

Re: [agi] Logic and Knowledge Representation

2006-05-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
in what DARPA Grand Challenge winners are using? -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE

[agi] FPGA coprocessor for the Opteron slot

2006-04-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
. That combination of serious horsepower with much lower costs is typically the right recipe for a decent start-up, and we'll be curious to see how things progress in the coming months. You can have a look at the DRC kit here (http://www.drccomputer.com/pages/products.html). ® -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Beowulf] Gigabit switch recommendations]

2006-03-31 Thread Eugen Leitl
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[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Connectionists: Physiologically Realistic Cognitive Modelling: New Book]

2006-03-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel +61 02 6125 5694 mob +62 0431 529 197 http://cs.anu.edu.au/~Andrew.Coward/ Book Website: http://www.novapublishers.com/catalog/product_info.php? cPath=23_128products_id=2652 - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http

Re: [agi] 25 cpu's on Field Programmable Gate Arays(FPGA)

2006-03-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
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[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Comp-neuro] 2nd CFP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2006]

2006-01-31 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [agi] Performance is what counts...Financial Economics

2006-01-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
of the best performance test of any AI System. An AI which only sees the raw numbers can't develop a better market representation than a relatively simple predictor. This should help fund any AI with a very abundant cash flow. Let the games begin... Dan Goe -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http

[agi] Google aims for AGI (purportedly)

2006-01-12 Thread Eugen Leitl
..in other words, an artificial intelligence that can pass as a human in written conversations. Wisely or not, Google wants to be a new sort of deus ex machina. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM

[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [nsg] Meeting Announcement]

2006-01-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
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[agi] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Connectionists: CFP Neural Networks Special Issue on ESNs and LSMs]

2005-12-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [agi] AutoResponse - Email Returned SAXK (KMM18505542V85776L0KM) :kd1

2005-12-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
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