Ben,
That is sort of a neat kind of device. Will have to think about that as it
is fairly dynamic I may have to look that one up and potentially experiment
on it.
The kinds of algebraic structures I'm talking about basically are as many as
possible. Also things like sets w/o operators,
On Monday 22 October 2007 08:05:26 am, Benjamin Goertzel wrote:
... but dynamic long-term memory, in my view, is a wildly
self-organizing mess, and would best be modeled algebraically as a quadratic
iteration over a high-dimensional real non-division algebra whose
multiplication table is
On 10/22/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 22 October 2007 08:05:26 am, Benjamin Goertzel wrote:
... but dynamic long-term memory, in my view, is a wildly
self-organizing mess, and would best be modeled algebraically as a
quadratic
iteration over a high-dimensional
Holy writhing Mandelbrot sets, Batman!
Why real and non-division? I particularly don't like real -- my computer
can't
handle the precision :-)
Robin - forget all this digital stuff it's a trap, we need some analog
nano-computers to help fight these crispy impostors!
John
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On 10/22/07, *J Storrs Hall, PhD* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 22 October 2007 08:05:26 am, Benjamin Goertzel wrote:
... but dynamic long-term memory, in my view, is a wildly
self-organizing mess, and would best be
Yeah I'm not really agreeing with you here. I feel that, though I haven't
really studied other cognitive software structures, but I feel that they can
built simpler and more efficient. But I shouldn't come out saying that
unless I attack some of the details right? But that's a gut reaction I have
Vladimir,
I'm using system as kind of a general word for a set and operator(s).
You are understanding it correctly except templates is not right. The
templates are actually a vast internal complex of structure which includes
morphisms which are like templates.
But you are right it does
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From: John G. Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Edward,
Oops missed that - CA (cellular automata) is something that some other
people on the list could really enlighten you on as it gets really
On 10/21/07, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vladimir,
That may very well be the case and something that I'm unaware of. The
system I have in mind basically has I/O that is algebraic structures.
Everything that it deals with is modeled this way. Any sort of system that
it analyzes
Has anyone come across (or written) any papers that argue for particular
low-level capabilities that any system capable of human-level intelligence
must possess, and which posits particular tests for assessing whether a
system possesses these prerequisites for intelligence? I'm looking for
On 10/19/07, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.vetta.org/documents/ui_benelearn.pdf
Unfortunately the test is not computable.
True but how about testing intelligence by comparing the performance
of an agent across several computable environments (randomly-generated
finite
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Interesting background about on some thermodynamics history J.
But basic definitions of intelligence, not talking about reinventing
particle physics here, a basic, workable definition, not rigorous
mathematical proof just
Regarding testing grounds for AGI. Personally I feel that ordinary computer
games could provide an excellent proving ground for the early stages of AGI,
or maybe even better if they are especially constructed. Computer games are
usually especially designed to encourage the player towards
No you are not mundane. All these things on the list (or most) are very well
to be expected from a generally intelligent system or its derivatives. But I
have this urge, being a software developer, to smash all these things up
into their constituent components, partition commonalties, eliminate
Well I'm neck deep in 55,000 semi-colons of code in this AI app I'm building
and need to get this bastich out the do' and it's probably going to grow to
80,000 before version 1.0. But at some point it needs to grow a brain. Yes I
have my AGI design in mind since late 90's and had been watching
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On 10/20/07, Edward W. Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John,
So rather than a definition of intelligence you want a recipe for how
, October 20, 2007 4:44 PM
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Well Im neck deep in 55,000 semi-colons of code in this AI app Im
building and need to get this bastich out the do and its probably going
to grow to 80,000 before version 1.0. But at some point it needs
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-- Ben
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Ah, gotcha...
The recent book Advances in Artificial General Intelligence gives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automata
Start reading..
John
From: Edward W. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
John,
[A]bstract algebra based engine that's basically an algebraic structure
pump sounds really
On 10/21/07, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_structure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automata
Start reading….
John,
It doesn't really help in understanding how system described by such terms
is related to implementation of AGI. It
Vladimir,
That may very well be the case and something that I'm unaware of. The system
I have in mind basically has I/O that is algebraic structures. Everything
that it deals with is modeled this way. Any sort of system that it analyzes
it converts to a particular structure that represents the
Hi Edward,
I don't see any problems dealing with either discrete or continuous. In fact
in some ways it'd be nice to eliminate discrete and just operate in
continuous mode. But discrete maps very well with binary computers.
Continuous is just a lot of discrete, the density depending on
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From: John G. Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Edward,
I dont see any problems dealing with either discrete or continuous. In
fact in some ways itd be nice to eliminate
Well, one problem is that the current mathematical definition of general
intelligence
is exactly that -- a definition of totally general intelligence, which is
unachievable
by any finite-resources AGI system...
On the other hand, IQ tests and such measure domain-specific capabiities as
much
as
John: I think that there really needs to be more very specifically defined
quantitative measures of intelligence. ...Other qualities like creativity
and imagination would need to be
measured in other ways.
The only kind of intelligence you can measure with any precision is narrow
AI -
I think that there really needs to be more very specifically defined
quantitative measures of intelligence. If there were questions that could be
asked of an AGI that would require x units of intelligence to solve
otherwise they would be unsolvable. I know that this is a hopeless foray on
this
I guess, off the top of my head, the conversational equivalent might be a
Story Challenge - asking your AGI to tell some explanatory story about a
problem that had occurred to it recently, (designated by the tester), and
then perhaps asking it to devise a solution. Just my first thought -
On 10/18/07, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm... the storytelling direction is interesting.
E.g., you could tell the first half of a story to the test-taker, and ask
them
to finish it...
Or better, draw an animation of (both halves of) it.
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I think AGI test should fundamentally be a learning ability test. When
there's a specified domain in which the system should demonstrate it
competency (like 'chatting' or 'playing Go'), it's likely easier to write
narrow solution. If system is not a RSI AI already, resulted competency
depends on
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