Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-14 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without 3 proto-objections I proto-change the AAA contract as follows: I still think it's more complexity than is necessary. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if and only if one succeeds in performing that action by making that public statement, but violates this rule only if one believes

Re: DIS: Proto: But what is truth?

2008-07-14 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: For every other action, If possible I do X and I attempt to do X do not satisfy Rule 478's criterion-- that the person performing the action announces that e performs it-- We have historically allowed quite a bit of latitude in the use of conditionals. It's not codified, but we seem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Favor for sale

2008-07-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't believe it is a legitimate value then feel free to propose a rate change. I don't believe it's legitimate to allow (indeed, require) the Protection Racket to constantly create assets that interest a very small

DIS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Sgeo
NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE 5636 D0 2ais523 Defining Monsterholdors PRESENT 5637 O1 1Quazie Agora is my conditional value FORx4 5638 O1 1.7 Murphy Pragmatize initiation of equity cases FORx4 5639 D1 3Murphy Refactor clarity PRESENT

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm bored, let's DoS stuff

2008-07-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it's obfuscation you want, here's another Python version: Another variation on this that I was playing around with the other day. This one is a bit more transparent than the other one I posted, but I wanted to share it

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5637 O1 1Quazie Agora is my conditional value I change my vote to ENDORSE Agora x4 I don't think this works; under no circumstances can a rule take effect before the votes on it are counted, so relying on a definition

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5637 O1 1Quazie Agora is my conditional value I change my vote to ENDORSE Agora x4 I don't think this works; under no circumstances can a rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that ENDORSE Agora was already defined.. I remember seeing it somewhere.. maybe it was in a proto and I got confused and thought that it was in a rule.. Umm, you saw it in the proposal you're voting on conditionally.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that ENDORSE Agora was already defined.. I remember seeing it somewhere.. maybe it was in a proto and I got confused and thought that it was in a

Re: DIS: Econ

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, the main benefit of creating contracts using pesos (rather than defining their own currency) is a common exchange medium, which role is already filled by the RBoA to some extent. Also, the more currencies there are, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that ENDORSE Agora was already defined.. I remember seeing it somewhere.. maybe it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
Add the following to the end of section 8: An upgraded Digit Ranch produces 2 crops a week A downgraded Digit Ranch produces 1 crop every 2 weeks These may stack, i.e., an upgraded Digit Ranch actually produces 3 crops per week (1 for being a Digit Ranch, and 2 for being upgraded), and a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 08:40:02 am Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5637 O1 1Quazie Agora is my conditional value I change my vote to ENDORSE Agora x4 I don't think this works; under no circumstances can a rule take effect

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5637 O1 1Quazie Agora is my conditional value I change my vote to ENDORSE Agora x4 I don't think this works; under no circumstances can a rule take effect before the votes on it are counted, so relying

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if and only if one succeeds in performing that action by making that public statement, but violates this rule only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: And the winner is.... (Agoran Proposal Awards report)

2008-07-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BobTHJ wrote: What's the objective here? To enable the APA to award points. It can via the PRS. I thought the PRS wasn't a contest yet, either. It will be as soon as the Assessor resolves voting on outstanding

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 04:12:48 am Taral wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if and only if one succeeds in performing that action by making that public statement, but violates this rule

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 10:30:52 am Roger Hicks wrote: I create a Digit Ranch (land #113) with a Seed of 5 and a WRV in the possession of Pavitra. I rename land #113 to Aphrodite's Grove.

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA

2008-07-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create a Digit Ranch (land #111) with a Seed of 1 and a WRV in the possession of Quazie. I rename the above land to 1 Crop While this is valid that name

DIS: Re: BUS: Doing ehird a favor, I suppose.

2008-07-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:17 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 11:09 -0400, ihope wrote: Congratulations, Elliott Hird, you're a player. --Ivan Hope CXXVII If tusho is a player, I transfer 24 VP to tusho. I attempt to act on behalf of tusho to cause them to transfer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Sgeo wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that ENDORSE Agora was already defined.. I

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:43:28 pm Ed Murphy wrote: A public claim intended to mislead others (whether directly or indirectly) regarding one's identity constitutes a false statement, and SHOULD be severely punished. A person SHALL NOT

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: Taral wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if and only if one succeeds in performing that action by making that public statement,

DIS: Re: BUS: Doing ehird a favor, I suppose.

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ihope wrote: This is 6 FOR, 5 AGAINST, 1 PRESENT. Congratulations, Elliott Hird, you're a player. --Ivan Hope CXXVII I believe I retracted my FOR vote and voted AGAINST. Please re-check. -Goethe

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: Taral wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if and only if one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Doing ehird a favor, I suppose.

2008-07-14 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 09:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ihope wrote: This is 6 FOR, 5 AGAINST, 1 PRESENT. Congratulations, Elliott Hird, you're a player. --Ivan Hope CXXVII I believe I retracted my FOR vote and voted AGAINST. Please re-check. -Goethe Maybe,

Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Buy Tickets

2008-07-14 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/14 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I retract my previous claim of error, I forgot to search for other people voting on my behalf (below). -goethe phew

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 11:02:04 am Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:43:28 pm Ed Murphy wrote: A public claim intended to mislead others (whether directly or indirectly) regarding one's identity constitutes a false statement, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create a Digit Ranch (land #111) with a Seed of 1 and a WRV in the possession of

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Sgeo wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an Officer, I've been forced by one Rule's asap to attempt to perform actions that I knew for a fact (due to another rule) would fail. -goethe Details for the curious please? A

Re: DIS: Protos on truth and identity

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 11:02:04 am Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:43:28 pm Ed Murphy wrote: A public claim intended to mislead others (whether directly or indirectly) regarding one's identity

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-07-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:15 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upon the adoption of this proposal, ehird deregisters emself by announcement. If this would be effective, this would create a whole new ugly precedent of This proposal says you say you do, therefore you say you do and do.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-07-14 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:28 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 12:21:10 pm Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/7/14 comex [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Proposal: a probably unsuccessful attempt at deregistering ehird because I forgot to vote AGAINST 5582 Stop being a dick. I support ehird's

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:15 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: a probably unsuccessful attempt at deregistering ehird because I forgot to vote AGAINST 5582 Upon the adoption of this proposal, ehird deregisters emself by announcement. Please make it ehird is deregistered and wait

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-07-14 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/14 ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:15 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: a probably unsuccessful attempt at deregistering ehird because I forgot to vote AGAINST 5582 Upon the adoption of this proposal, ehird deregisters emself by announcement. Please make

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-07-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:33 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the power threshold for causing a message to be sent is 2. My reasoning: it's established that a contract can allow other people to act on behalf of its parties. As I understand it, this is implied by the fact that if

DIS: Re: BUS: welcome

2008-07-14 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 15:11 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I become bound to the following contract: {{ 1. The name of this contract is Welcoming Committee. This is a public contract under the rules of Agora and a pledge. 2. Parties to this contract SHALL NOT terminate it, amend it, or

DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not really that much of a stretch to let contracts do that stuff, especially considering the analogy with partnerships. In fact, if I'm blind, preventing me from delegating the responsibility to use email clients to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, comex wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a good thing we ratify things. In CFJ 1695, it was ruled that not allowing partnerships to act infringes the right of participation in the fora of the partnership. This does not apply in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/14 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For the current case, I think I act on behalf of myself is what a speech act is by definition; whenever we say I do X we are implicitly saying that we are acting on behalf of ourselves. So the pledge is a tautology, I act on behalf of myself to do X

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 02:29:45 pm comex wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not really that much of a stretch to let contracts do that stuff, especially considering the analogy with partnerships. In fact, if I'm blind, preventing me from delegating

DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market change

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 03:06:54 pm Roger Hicks wrote: To pave the way for future changes as have been discussed: With the majority consent of the Vote Market parties I intend to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In CFJ 1695, it was ruled that not allowing partnerships to act infringes the right of participation in the fora of the partnership. This does not apply in the case of first-class players acting on behalf of each other, which is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, comex wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a good thing we ratify things. In CFJ 1695, it was ruled that not allowing partnerships to act infringes the right of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:32 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:27 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In CFJ 1695, it was ruled that not allowing partnerships to act infringes the right of participation in the fora of the partnership. This does not apply in the case

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPLIT DECISION should be evaluated as follows: --- for (int i = 0; i myevlod/2; i ++) { vote FOR; vote AGAINST; } vote PRESENT; --- In other words, you vote cycle [FOR, AGAINST]? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to test the above but, instead of a secretary I will have a friend send a message though my e-mail account, registering emself. I think that this would be similar to CFJ 1719. However, if you asked your friend to perform

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a proposal is Democratic I vote FOR it. If a proposal is written by me I vote FORx5 on it. if a proposal does not fit into the above two categories I vote SPLIT DECISION on it. SPLIT DECISION should be evaluated as follows:

DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:45 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either the sky is always red or, if I do not hereby initiate an inquiry case on this sentence, then the sky is always green. I don't believe you believe that. -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008 10:45:42 pm ihope wrote: Either the sky is always red or, if I do not hereby initiate an inquiry case on this sentence, then the sky is always green. (R v (~I = G)) Since ~G, it follows that I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008 10:45:42 pm ihope wrote: Either the sky is always red or, if I do not hereby initiate an inquiry case on this sentence, then the sky

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:39 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPLIT DECISION should be evaluated as follows: --- for (int i = 0; i myevlod/2; i ++) { vote FOR; vote AGAINST; } vote PRESENT; --- In other words, you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:57 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008 10:45:42 pm ihope wrote: Either the sky is always red or, if I do not

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2019a assigned to Wooble, avpx, Taral

2008-07-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I initiate a criminal case against the CotC (Murphy) for violating R2019 by not assigning the Default Justice (myself) to be member of this appeals panel. Seriously? In my experience, Default Justice is a curse, not a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a proposal is Democratic I vote FOR it. If a proposal is written by me I vote FORx5 on it. if a proposal does not fit into the above two categories I vote SPLIT DECISION on it. SPLIT DECISION should be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2019a assigned to Wooble, avpx, Taral

2008-07-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I initiate a criminal case against the CotC (Murphy) for violating R2019 by not assigning the Default Justice (myself) to be member of this appeals panel.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:42 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a proposal is Democratic I vote FOR it. If a proposal is written by me I vote FORx5 on it. if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 05:51:06 pm Ian Kelly wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 July 2008 10:45:42 pm ihope wrote: Either the sky is always red or, if I do not hereby initiate an inquiry case on this sentence, then the sky is always

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an aside, your statement could also be parsed as (I = (R ^ ~G)) ^ (~I = (~R ^ G)), which is false for any assignment of I. Assuming ^ is XOR and R and G are both false, that expression you devised is false for all I. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2019a assigned to Wooble, avpx, Taral

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 06:09:59 pm Ian Kelly wrote: Seriously? In my experience, Default Justice is a curse, not a bonus. Perhaps we should have some way to abdicate prerogatives; they are theoretically supposed to be rewards, I think.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's completely logical

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 06:22:28 pm ihope wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an aside, your statement could also be parsed as (I = (R ^ ~G)) ^ (~I = (~R ^ G)), which is false for any assignment of I. Assuming ^ is XOR and R and G are both false,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this text: b) Justiciar. Within three days after an appeal case comes to require a judge, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this text: b) Justiciar. Within three

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 06:45:00 pm Quazie wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this text: b) Justiciar. Within three days

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ihope wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the current case, I think I act on behalf of myself is what a speech act is by definition; whenever we say I do X we are implicitly saying that we are acting on behalf of ourselves. So

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Ben Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 14 July 2008 06:45:00 pm Quazie wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] b) Justiciar. Within three days after an appeal case comes to require a judge, the Justiciar CAN declare

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for (int i = 0; i myevlod/2; i ++) { vote FOR; vote AGAINST; } vote PRESENT; It seems clear enough too me. For one thing, Quazie's EVLOD is 5, right?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 06:57:43 pm ihope wrote: Unless the CotC did something stupid, like act on behalf of the Justiciar to say both. Which, in the Spirit of the Game, is not at all implausible.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jul 14, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Quazie wrote: The proposal was an ordinary proposal. Thus, I can vote up to my evlod on it. Thus i vote an equal number of FORs and AGAINSTs and if there are any left over I vote PRESENT. Then maybe we should define SUPPOSE as exactly that simple wording. -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:39 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for (int i = 0; i myevlod/2; i ++) { vote FOR; vote AGAINST; } vote PRESENT; It seems

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 14, 2008, at 12:40 AM, Quazie wrote: (upgrading and downgrading lands) Will the consecutive integers wrap around? May I harvest 89X0 to upgrade a land? - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr Goodness,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We all have our ehird moments

2008-07-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:32 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I tell my secretary to type something and press send, e will use my email address and put my name on it; e will have sent it, but I will have written it and consented to its being sent under my name. The rules say that the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:39 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for (int i = 0; i myevlod/2; i

DIS: Re: BUS: Reformed Bank of Agora report

2008-07-14 Thread Charles Reiss
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Assuming I'm a Banker Without 3 proto-objections I proto-change the RBOA contract as follows: --- Add the following to the end for the RBOA conract: 9. Whenever a Player transfers a Mill to the Bank of Agora, and the

DIS: Werewolves status update

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
I still need 3 more votes on whether to lynch Pavitra.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reformed Bank of Agora report

2008-07-14 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Assuming I'm a Banker Without 3 proto-objections I proto-change the RBOA contract as follows: --- Add the following to the end for the RBOA conract:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal: Prerogatives imply choice (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2019 (Prerogatives) by replacing section b) with this text: b)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft Ruling in CFJ 2023

2008-07-14 Thread Taral
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The action in question was failure to act in accordance with the contract, and I draft rule that root did not commit such a failure. INNOCENT seems correct here. Would it help if we just merged the two options? Well,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5636-5639

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for (int i = 0; i myevlod/2; i ++) { vote FOR; vote AGAINST; } vote PRESENT; It seems clear enough too me. For one thing, Quazie's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft Ruling in CFJ 2023

2008-07-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The action in question was failure to act in accordance with the contract, and I draft rule that root did not commit such a failure. INNOCENT seems correct here. Would it help if we just merged the two

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft Ruling in CFJ 2023

2008-07-14 Thread Taral
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I'd protoed a new judgement for X did something that violates Z - OVERGENERAL, perhaps? Feel free to propose it. I though put in a proposal to require people to specify which action violates the rule... -- Taral

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft Ruling in CFJ 2023

2008-07-14 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the problem is that there's two ways to phrase the CFJ: X did Y that violates Z -- UNIMPUGNED X did something that violates Z -- INNOCENT(?) Now that's just confusing. Officially the rule violated isn't even part of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-07-14 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 14, 2008, at 12:40 AM, Quazie wrote: Will the consecutive integers wrap around? May I harvest 89X0 to upgrade a land? Goodness, never thought of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft Ruling in CFJ 2023

2008-07-14 Thread Taral
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:01 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: {action=X violated Z by Y, rule=Z} -- INNOCENT This looks like UNIMPUGNED to me. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Draft Ruling in CFJ 2023

2008-07-14 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:01 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: {action=X violated Z by Y, rule=Z} -- INNOCENT This looks like UNIMPUGNED to me. It's INNOCENT if the action, X violated Z by Y, did not occur, UNIMPUGNED if X

Re: DIS: Werewolves status update

2008-07-14 Thread Ben Caplan
On Monday 14 July 2008 08:41:47 pm Ed Murphy wrote: I still need 3 more votes on whether to lynch Pavitra. May I suggest no. (I posted what I think are fairly reasonable arguments why to do so some time back.)