Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)

2023-04-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:57 PM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > - Wooden Gavel, awardable by the Arbitor to the judge of a CFJ > or series of CFJs with a strong and foundational impact on the > judicial precedents of Agora (additional information: ID >

DIS: stamps and radiance - discussion

2023-04-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
So, by my count there's 3 people who could win via radiance pretty much at any time due to stamps. I sure don't begrudge the wins at all, but it's extremely demotivtating to bother to get radiance, to know it could be reset at any time on a whim. Really gives a "no point in trying" feeling to

DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing CoEs for Radiance

2023-03-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 6:10 AM juan via agora-business wrote: > Append to Rule 2201 Self-Ratification the following text: > > "4. Retract the document, making it so as if it were never published." I'm pretty sure this leads directly to Paradox (if the document was never

Re: DIS: 2023 Tech Survey

2023-03-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:12 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Basic Access > > > 1. What email client(s) do you use to access Agora? Currently (just recently) forced into gmail web or phone app, by updates to my institution's policy; Tbird for years has been preferred/still

Re: DIS: Re: [Herald, CFJ] Re: BUS: [??Ritual Master??] Fond Memories of what once was.

2023-03-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 1:54 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion: > > > Secondly, is a repeated action the same as a conditional action? > > They function under roughly the same rules per precedent. Except - now that we've rule-codified conditionals, we have to ask "does this fall under the new

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sacrilege

2023-03-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 11:25 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion: > I withdraw this CFJ. > I respond to the CoE instead by accepting the error, > and letting all declared ritual numbers that had this as dependency fail. You may know this, but "accepting the error" does nothing as it is not

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Trade offer ad - Stamps for Stamps

2023-03-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 5:45 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 3/23/23 00:12, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On another note, I don't find anything in the rules that allows us to add > > > conditions to the performance of actions, unless I'm missing

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Trade offer ad - Stamps for Stamps

2023-03-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 5:45 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > That's pretty fascinating. > > Are there any other notable "unwritten rules"? Precedents or other thing > that are, in practice, as strong as actual explicit ruletext? There should be nothing "as strong as actual

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor/Proposal) What does this button do?

2023-03-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 7:48 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > man. 20. mar. 2023 kl. 15:44 skrev ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > > > On Mon, 2023-03-20 at 15:18 -0700, Forest Sweeney via agora-business > wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) impeachment!

2023-03-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:33 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > I intend to, with 2 agoran consent, impeach the referee. (I should be > properly elected.) Also, some context from Discord (since context-free support for impeachment may seem unfair): > > 4st — Today at 9:20 AM > Hmm

Re: DIS: Proposal Practice - Chicken Dinner

2023-03-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Oh nice! I played with v.1 of the beacon a couple years ago, I like the fact that you can specify a future timestamp and wait for the roll to happen (assuming that’s how the beta version works). On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 8:47 AM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

Re: DIS: (Proposal) Make Blot creation retroactive?

2023-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> After the week, that's that and, if the investigation is favorable, you get > the actual win and the rest of things trigger. > > On Thursday, March 16, 2023, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 2:10 PM Yachay Waylluku

Re: DIS: (Proposal) Make Blot creation retroactive?

2023-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 2:10 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Couldn't past wins be outright ruled somehow to not exist anymore if > they're found to be in violation of something concerning it? There's a couple separate issues - one part is just saying "that win didn't count

Re: DIS: Looking for coauthors

2023-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 5:18 AM Juan F. Meleiro via agora-discussion wrote: > > I see. But in that case, isn't the rule authorizing that effect the > lower-powered one? Because if not, a low-powered rule could define terms used > in higher-powered ones to mean whatever it wants. > > For

Re: DIS: Looking for coauthors

2023-03-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:35 PM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > So here goes a draft. > > So, I came upon a problem. Suppose I had the following rule (excerpt) > > --- RULE DRAFT --- > The Gamemastor is an Office. > > Cards are assets tracked by the Gamemastor. Cards have the following >

Re: DIS: @Herald Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8914-8920

2023-03-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 8:18 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 3/11/23 22:28, Janet Cobb via agora-official wrote: > > IDTitle Result > > - > > 8914 Can't Trust Em To Do Eir Own Work ADOPTED > > 8915

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2023-03-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 1:06 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > DEADLINES (details below) > --- > 4015 Assigned to Janet Due Fri 10 Mar 2023 22:26:08 I don't think this needs a CoE, but just acknowledging that my report didn't include Janet's

Re: DIS: Looking for coauthors

2023-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:12 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 5:05 AM juan via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I'm thinking of proposing a sort of trading cards game. I already have > > some ideas. If anyone is interested in bouncing drafts on that theme, > > please let me know. > >

Re: DIS: Looking for coauthors

2023-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 5:05 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm thinking of proposing a sort of trading cards game. I already have > some ideas. If anyone is interested in bouncing drafts on that theme, > please let me know. On thing your recent Fingerprints proposal got me wanting to try

DIS: Re: BUS: (@rulekeepor) RtRW submissions

2023-03-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 5, 2023 at 2:49 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > CFJ 831 (called 10 Nov 1995): 'The Date: header of a message is not > > necessarily the time at which the message takes effect.' > > Why is this now inaccurate? We've held that not all Date headers are to > be trusted,

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor/Proposal) Take 2 - Adding sins to the ruleset

2023-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 10:53 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > AND FOURSTLY, I petition everyone to be polite and not bug anyone about > any petitions in this particular message, as said petitions could be > easily missed. I am purposefully and with full knowledge making no public

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor/@Rulekeepor/Proposal) Airplanes don't operate on belief

2023-03-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 9:38 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > Unless it has another clear and unambiguous meaning, > for each pair in the following list, text like the first item is > another name for the second item. > - Oppose, Object > - Approve, Support I'm very much opposed to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Proposal] strength to the people

2023-02-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 11:37 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/28/23 13:40, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > [Since we're going through an extra-pedantic period on R105...] > > > > I withdraw my proposal Populist Priming and submit the following proposal: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor/Proposal) Weekly submission

2023-02-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 7:32 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > I also submit the following proposal: > > { > > Title: Ongoing obligation > > Adoption Index: 1.0 > > Author: 4st > > Coauthor: Janet > > > > The player 4st MUST submit a copy of this proposal. > > } > > -- > > 4st > > I hope

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Registrar) Petition on emails in monthly report

2023-02-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 1:31 PM juan via agora-business wrote: > > My petition is to please put the historical email addresses back in > > the monthly report. > > ACCEPTED. Next report will include them. Also note that suggestions on > formatting are appreciated as well (keeping lines short is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Note on Application of Proposals 8891-8899

2023-02-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 9:58 AM secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 9:16 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > Gratuitous: > > CFJ 3778 found that list items could have whole line breaks inserted > > between them and

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in CFJ 4005, CFJ 4006 [attn. Arbitor]

2023-02-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:25 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > The only potentially relevant precedent that I was able to find was CFJ > 3551, on whether a revision could be a duty-fulfilling report. In eir > arguments, the caller states in eir arguments that "[a] revision is also > a

Re: DIS: Proto: Schrodinger's Dice

2023-02-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 9:47 PM Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > > Proto-Proposal: Schrodinger's Dice > (co-author = ais523) > > Amend Rule 2505 (Random Choices) by replacing this text: > >The selecting person SHOULD make the selection method >public, and

DIS: Re: [CFJ] Re: BUS: Intent to declare apathy

2023-02-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:39 AM ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-02-15 at 07:28 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:02 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business > > wrote: > > > I CFJ: "In this message, Apathy was declared." > > > > Gratuitous: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Distributor/Proposal) Player-Defined Nonsense

2023-02-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:48 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, 2023-02-13 at 10:37 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 9:53 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business > > wrote: > > > Do you want to be able

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Distributor/Proposal) Player-Defined Nonsense

2023-02-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 9:53 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > Do you want to be able to just send "ANGER" to a-b, and for it to mean "I > object to every intent to declare apathy."? > Or "I floop" to motivate the horses, or "Ohgodnotanother" to mean "I submit > the following

Re: DIS: Proto: Schrodinger's Dice

2023-02-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 4:07 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Edward Murphy via agora-discussion [2023-02-12 21:47]: > > Proto-Proposal: Schrodinger's Dice > > (co-author = ais523) > > Not to dismiss this, but I have long wondered about the applicability of > verifiable random numbers in

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Limited tracking

2023-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Sorry I accidentally deleted a sentence at the beginning of my reply that said this concern was in spite of the first proposal sentence - just not really seeing the benefit of the partial tracking like that for cfjs On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:18 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > I would not like to be

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Limited tracking

2023-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I would not like to be considered a coauthor on this one, as IIRC my only contribution was to speak against the cfj changes which you kept, so I don’t endorse that. I think having switches that turn on and off on tracking like that have the potential to create some significant level of confusion

Re: DIS: Thesis Question for 4st

2023-02-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:23 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 3:27 PM nix via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 2/11/23 15:06, nix via agora-business wrote: > > > Below is the thesis. 4st has submitted it in the hopes of

DIS: Re: BUS: Celebrations

2023-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 8:52 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > I intend, with 4 support from other players who would be Festive if the > Festivity was 1, to start a rank 1 festival. I support this intent. -G.

Re: DIS: Proto: Limited tracking

2023-02-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 4:18 PM Edward Murphy via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Proto-Proposal: Limited tracking > (AI = 3) > > Amend Rule 2162 (Switches) by replacing "other instances are at their > default value" with "other tracked instances are at their default >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] I Don't Want to Figure This Out

2022-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
This will break horses which is literally the only gameplay right now. Pls don’t do that without fixing horses in same proposal. On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 9:39 AM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > { > > Title: I Don't Want to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor)

2022-09-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/1/2022 7:47 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > I think the principle that all players should have the right of > participation in the fora (rule 478) is important. As such, if someone > is abusing the fora to the extent that it warrants a ban, e also has to > be banned from being a

Re: DIS: A proto

2022-08-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/30/2022 9:25 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2022-08-30 at 18:14 +0200, Madrid via agora-discussion wrote: >> Its true that I don't care much about upholding ancient tradition. >> >> It's nomic, a game of change, and I'm very willing to see Spivak >> removed. [snip] > I

Re: DIS: A proto

2022-08-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
[I apologize in advance to others - I don't want to prolong this further/at all, but I think the specific Agoran context is important to lay out.] Madrid wrote: > - To further illustrate how the current push for neopronouns/neolanguage > isn't natively Spanish but (mostly) orginated in the US as

Re: DIS: A proto

2022-08-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/30/2022 6:33 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 8/29/22 16:28, juan via agora-discussion wrote: >> Concretely, I believe a self-moderated community should implement a form >> of restorative justice. I am not well-versed in this area, but I see an >> opportunity for us to create

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Voter Protection

2022-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/29/2022 12:11 PM, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 9:19 AM ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, 2022-08-28 at 22:16 -0700, Forest Sweeney via agora-business >> wrote: >>> As I'm kinda bullying everyone, I

Re: DIS: A proto

2022-08-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/29/2022 2:28 PM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > I'll argue the following in principle. My only assumption is that there > has been an injustice commited by some member of our community against > another one. To keep this a brief and neutral explanation, this happened in the Discord

Re: DIS: I can't take it anymore

2022-08-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/22/2022 5:30 PM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > And having said that, I just found this [1] old message explaining it. > > [1]: > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg04798.html > > I'm beggining to feel Agora needs a glossary. >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] CFJ 3989 assigned to 4st

2022-08-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/21/2022 12:47 AM, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: >> 8829 Look upon our worksADOPTED >>> For each of 4st, CreateSource, cuddlybanana, duck, G., Jason, juan, >> Murphy, R. Lee, secretsnail, Trigon, and Vitor Gonçalves, I note that e is >> not dancing a powerful dance,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8829-8836

2022-08-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/20/2022 3:02 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> On Aug 20, 2022, at 10:36 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official >> wrote: >> >> IDTitle Result >> - >> 8829 Look upon our worksADOPTED > > For each of 4st,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] let's B safe out there

2022-08-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/18/2022 9:07 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2022-08-18 07:51]: >> I submit the following Proposal: >> Title: "Time B Safe" >> AI: 4 >> co-authors: Jason, Murphy. >> - >> >> Amend Rule 1698 (Agora Is A Nomic) by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer has had visions of a dark future

2022-08-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/18/2022 7:50 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 07:38 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 8/18/2022 7:33 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 07:26 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer has had visions of a dark future

2022-08-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/18/2022 7:33 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 07:26 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 8/18/2022 3:18 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote: >>> I intend to ratify without objection the following: "Agora is not

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer has had visions of a dark future

2022-08-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/18/2022 3:18 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote: > I intend to ratify without objection the following: "Agora is not ossified." So this is sorta instructive in terms of the behavior of switches versus attributes. Ossification as per 1698 is a continuously-evaluated condition encoded in

Re: DIS: Petrinets

2022-08-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/16/2022 6:38 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > * I really don't know when to use switches and when to directly define > attributes. Switches comes with all kinds of protections including weekly (or monthly) self-ratifying reporting and how to resolve uncertainty in values. This is

DIS: Re: BUS: Militia Court validity

2022-08-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/16/2022 7:20 AM, Rose Strong via agora-business wrote: > I CFJ: The Militia Court created by Madrid is a valid alternative to the > current CFJ system. Valid alternative to what aspect exactly? On one hand, it can be used to resolve disputes, sure. No different than adding gratuitous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] CFJ 3982 assigned to G.

2022-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/15/2022 2:35 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 2022-08-15 at 12:13 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> Not part of judgement: I think that under the current rules, "submit" is >> most clearly read as a synonym for "adding a proposal to the proposal >> pool"

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8815-8821

2022-07-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 4:16 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 7/24/22 20:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:56 AM secretsnail9 via agora-official > > wrote: > >> 8821~ nix, Jason, secretsnail 3.0 More Intuiti

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8815-8821

2022-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:56 AM secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: > 8821~ nix, Jason, secretsnail 3.0 More Intuitive Rule Changes Opinion of the rulekeepor sought: In all previous history, the phrase: "Retitle rule X to Y, and Amend it to read..." would be listed as two separate

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette - 22 Jul 2022

2022-07-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Pseudo-coe: I think this is missing the Cfj called by snail with the subject line [Proposal?]. If so and it’s not taken I favor that one. -G. On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 4:10 AM Jason Cobb via agora-official < agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Agoran Court Gazette (Arbitor's Weekly Report) >

DIS: Re: BUS: Can I be Referee?

2022-07-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/3/2022 8:37 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, 2022-07-03 at 20:30 -0700, Forest Sweeney via agora-business > wrote: >> I intend, with 2 support, to start an election for Referee with >> myself as a candidate. > > I support. > > (For anyone who's confused, like I was – under

Re: DIS: A Quick Agora Survey

2022-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
1. Venerable, finicky, historical, magisterial. 2. A comment in Slashdot let me know it still existed, a post in rec.games.board (usenet) brought me to its predecessor Nomic World. 3. 2004-era cards (lots of chaos), moment in cards = first paradox. 4. The people mostly (old friends). 5.

Re: DIS: British or American Spelling

2022-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2022 6:43 PM, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > Going thru the SLR spelling... > Do we prefer deputise or deputize? > Authorise or authorize? > Summarise or summarize? > > etc. > > Based on what's currently there, deputise is the outlier with the british > deputise spelling.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3969 Assigned to ais523

2022-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2022 3:30 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: > On 6/22/22 17:25, nix via agora-business wrote: >> On 6/22/22 17:22, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >>> On 6/20/22 17:41, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 6/20/22 17:40, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 6/19/22 18:51, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Speaker Appointment Clarification

2022-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2022 2:46 PM, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 2:41 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> Amend Rule 103 (The Speaker) by replacing "held continuously by the same >> person for 90+ days" with "held

Re: [CFJ] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Speaker Experiment

2022-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2022 2:08 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, 2022-06-22 at 15:40 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Jun 22, 2022, at 3:15 PM, ais523 via agora-business < >>> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: >>> I intend, with support, to appoint ais523 to the office

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A Speaker Experiment

2022-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/22/2022 1:40 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 22, 2022, at 3:15 PM, ais523 via agora-business >> wrote: >> I intend, with support, to appoint ais523 to the office of Speaker. >> >> [As far as I can tell, although I can't actually resolve

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8696-8699

2022-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/21/2022 10:34 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2022-06-21 at 08:19 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I don't agree with this interpretation. There are quite a few examples of >> using "wrong" nicknames if the person is clear from co

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8696-8699

2022-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2022 2:43 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 6/19/22 21:13, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: >> // >> ID: 8697 >> Title: Dream of Wandering >> Adoption Index: 1.0 >> Author: 4st >> Co-author(s): nix,

DIS: [proto] engineers should be pragmatic

2022-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I don't submit the following proto-proposal, "Engineering Pragmatism", AI=1: Amend Rule 2655 (The Mad Engineer) by replacing: a) Randomly select exactly one rule. with: a) Randomly select exactly one current or former rule version from among those in one of the two most

DIS: Re: (@ADoP) BUS: Resignation

2022-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/17/2022 9:07 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > I resign Mad Engineer. > > [Working out a proper random rule selection is more effort than I'm > willing to go so when there's still doubt about the ruleset, and > there's now only a couple of days left for this week's invention >

DIS: Fwd: [proto] The Firm

2022-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
[Seems like a good time to bring this back -G. ] Proto: The Firm v2 [A change in the way vote cards lead to votes] [v2. vote cards => coins]. Enact a Rule, "The Firm" (Power 2), with this text: The Firm is a secured ordered list of players. HR is an office; the firm as it was at

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Put a sock in it

2022-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/12/2022 3:26 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > [Some or all of this may have already occurred, see CFJs 3965 > through 3967. Possibly only rules numbered higher than 2658 > still contain ~> <~ delimited text.] There aren't any rules like that. One key fortunate fact is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Sets Repeal Cases

2022-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/12/2022 12:43 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2022-06-12 at 12:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> The Winds Died Down recently, beginning the procedure described in >> R2658. >> >> It's pretty clear to me that all of t

DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Sets Repeal Cases

2022-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/12/2022 9:35 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > CFJ: "The entity at one point known as Rule 2658 is a Rule." > > CFJ: "The entity at one point known as Rule 2658 has performed at least > one amendment of a Rule." > > CFJ: "The entity at one point known as Rule 2658 has been

DIS: Re: (@Treasuror) Re: BUS: Self-promotion and some dirty work

2022-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/12/2022 11:26 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, 2022-06-12 at 19:24 +0100, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >> On Sun, 2022-06-12 at 11:20 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >>> I issue a cabinet order of Dive on ais523, levying a fine of 2 blots on >>> em, because e

DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2022 4:41 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > On Tue, 2022-06-07 at 01:40 +0200, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- > business wrote: >> The dice roll was: 125 >> This is R2631, Charities. > > For reference: > {{{ >Donation Level is a natural switch for contracts, tracked by the >

DIS: Re: (@Arbitor, Treasuror, Mad Engineer; @Jason) BUS: Blowing up the economy

2022-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/28/2022 2:03 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > As I think has been discussed on the list before, after the recent > change to the tabled actions rule, it appears that you can take a > tabled action multiple times from a single intent. (The wording of the > rule is fairly clear on the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/22/2022 6:41 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 2022-05-23 at 03:38 +0200, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- > business wrote: >> >> The dice roll was: 80 >> This is R2481, Festival Restrictions. > > For reference: > {{{ > While Agora's Festivity is nonzero, the following

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving elections

2022-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/22/2022 3:18 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: > Voting strength was measured at the end of the voting period (R955). Per > the Referee's report of May 15, I believe each voter had 3, except Jason > (not Madrid) who had 2. This is incorrect. After the referee's report was

Re: DIS: [Proto] Birthday Tournament - Nomaoic 2

2022-05-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/15/2022 9:21 AM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > 111. The state of affairs that constitutes winning may not be altered > from achieving n points to any other state of affairs. The magnitude of > n and the means of earning points may be changed, and rules that > establish a winner when

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Election update

2022-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/8/2022 4:29 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: >* Prime Minister - if voting for myself would cause me to win, then > myself, otherwise endorse G. Note: this vote may be indeterminate -> PRESENT if there are any ties in the instant runoff procedure (because at the time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Re: endgame

2022-05-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/8/2022 11:13 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2022-05-08 at 11:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I withdraw my previous proposal, Endgame. >> >> I submit the following proposal, Endgame, AI-1, and pay a pendant to pend it: >> >> --- >> >> Create the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Decriminalizing Lateness

2022-05-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/7/2022 3:50 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/7/22 16:57, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I agree with moving to something like this in principle, but I think that >> the metric needs work. >> >> - you can clear your name by resigning and r

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Decriminalizing Lateness

2022-05-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/7/2022 1:02 PM, nix via agora-business wrote: > Amend R2138 "The Associate Director of Personnel" by appending: > > 4. For filled offices, the percent of reports that have been > published in a timely fashion since either this clause was added > to the rules or the

DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] (@Treasuror) A Little Economic Takeover

2022-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/1/2022 12:29 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I take the following action 5 times: > { > If I have any blots, I expunge a blot from myself by paying a fee of 1 > blot-b-gone. > } [Referee voiceover: e didn't have any blots]

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer wants to confirm [attn. Tailor]

2022-04-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/13/2022 12:36 AM, Madrid via agora-business wrote: > This gave me a stupid idea that likely doesn't work but I will try it > anyways. > > I create the following contract called 'Glitter Grifting': > { > Any player CAN by announcement Award themselves X Glitter, where X is any > adjective

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/11/2022 3:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 4/11/2022 3:00 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, 2022-04-11 at 23:59 +0200, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- >> business wrote: >>> The dice roll was: 87 >>> This is R2499, Welcome Packages. >> >> For reference: >> {{{ >> A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/11/2022 3:00 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 2022-04-11 at 23:59 +0200, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- > business wrote: >> The dice roll was: 87 >> This is R2499, Welcome Packages. > > For reference: > {{{ > A Welcome Package is a set of assets containing: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: (indictment intent on @jaun for support/objections) resolving fingers for the forbidden

2022-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/11/2022 11:05 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2022-04-11 10:49, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 4/11/2022 10:40 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >>> No, it's not reasonable to expect new players to read through decades of >>> judgem

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: (indictment intent on @jaun for support/objections) resolving fingers for the forbidden

2022-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/11/2022 10:40 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > No, it's not reasonable to expect new players to read through decades of > judgements. However, that doesn't eliminate the fact that the precedent > exists. Generally relevant precedents will be brought up by people aware > of them

DIS: Re: (@secretsnail) Re: BUS: (@Referee) My first (noticed) crime

2022-04-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/3/2022 7:55 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 9:04 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 4/1/2022 4:30 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: >>> I point a finger at myself for the crime of tardiness via

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/8/2022 12:52 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 19:45 +, nix via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 4/8/22 13:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Also, while timing scams are interesting gameplay, I don't think it's a >>> good idea to change the rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] No finger pointing on behalf

2022-04-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/8/2022 11:05 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2022-04-08 at 13:54 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I submit, but do not pend, the following proposal: >> >> Title: No finger pointing on behalf > > FWIW, I'd prefer to expand the set of actions-on-behalf rather

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer wonders if they were a robot all along

2022-04-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 4/1/2022 1:00 PM, Madrid via agora-business wrote: > I CfJ: An action by announcement can be performed by reasonable automated > means, like for example, via a bot that bridges between Discord and the > action-doer's own email. I'm confused at the for-example, because Discord <->

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Referee) A sad Finger Point

2022-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: > A side note: I can't think if a time at which Agora ever had a culture > of punishing minor/inconsequential offences. There have been times at > which players felt that it might be a good thing to increase the rate > at which crimes were punished, but even after voting in Rules >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] SLR Ratification

2022-03-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/22/2022 2:59 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 3/22/2022 1:38 PM, Aspen via agora-business wrote: >> I submit the following proposal. I plan to pend it with a pendant >> before the next distribution. >> >> -Aspen >> --- >> Title: SLR Ratification >> Adoption index: 3.0 >> Author: Aspen >>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] SLR Ratification

2022-03-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/22/2022 1:38 PM, Aspen via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal. I plan to pend it with a pendant > before the next distribution. > > -Aspen > --- > Title: SLR Ratification > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Aspen > Co-authors: > > > Ratify the Short Logical Ruleset

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8655-8656

2022-03-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/20/2022 6:58 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/20/22 20:53, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 01:48 +, nix via agora-business wrote: >>> On 3/20/22 05:03, Aspen via agora-official wrote: ID Author(s) AITitle

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Scroll of Agora, Mar 2022

2022-03-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/18/2022 6:24 PM, nix via agora-official wrote: > Twosday Badge [Feb 02 2022] surely thats [02 02 2022]?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV?] Apathy resolution

2022-03-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/6/2022 5:31 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/6/22 20:28, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 7:13 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < >> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> If I send an email to your email address, but all of your

DIS: Re: (@arbitor) finger-pointing

2022-03-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/6/2022 4:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I point a finger at Aspen for violating Rule 2143 by failing to publish a > notary's report in the week of Feb 28 (that's second missed report in a > row I think - despite earlier conversation not personally pointing at > single missing weeks). Oops,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Recusal of cuddlybanana from CFJ 3941, assigned to G.

2022-02-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 8:47 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 08:21 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 7:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion > > > Although this reasoning would solve a few probl

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