Re: DIS: Economic incentives proto

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:51 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@bham.ac.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 2016-02-24 at 02:47 -0500, omd wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@bham.ac.uk> >> wrote: >> > Proto "Promotion Points", AI 1: >> >>

Re: DIS: Economic incentives proto

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Proto "Promotion Points", AI 1: It might be nice to connect this to Organization Budgets somehow, though I'm not sure what exactly that would look like.

DIS: quick note

Now that Let's Encrypt (the free SSL CA) is in public beta, I've set it up for the sites on my VPS, including agoranomic.org. So now the NSA doesn't have to know about your fetish for refreshing the homepage over and over. ...does anyone want to try updating the homepage?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Some one help me in starting to play i want to join

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > A blank message with a subject line action hasn't been tried before, > I think. http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2007-April/006296.html :)

Re: DIS: dealing with disappearing rules?

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: This Rule: Whoever omd has publicly specified should win the game as a result of the proposal Mammon Machine does so upon the enactment of this rule. Then this rule repeals itself. appeared

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A growing ruleset

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: Otherwise the Root is its own Parent. Makes sense if you envision it as a Unix filesystem.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Perfect Failure Detection

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:31 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: I was aware of this. You may notice I failed to send the intent to agora-business. Proposal: in the announcement by which the Registrar makes that forum public is sent to all existing public fora, remove the word public.

DIS: Re: BUS: Discussion Redirection

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote: Proposal “Discussion Redirection” with AI 3 { Create the rule “Discussion Redirection” with Power 1 { If a message is sent to a Discussion forum that is clearly intended to be sent to a Public forum, it SHALL be

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3452 assigned to scshunt

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:01 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Rule 2429 puts special status on paragraphs when considering whitespace. However, paragraphs are not defined. Rule 1728 consists of several nested lists. Some list items are separated by a blank line, some list items aren't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trust without borders

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, Trust Tokens were repealed as a result of our victory. Say what?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: could agora be nearly web 2.0?

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Thanks! Indexing is definitely something I'm thinking about. Also thinking about mouseover text that has snippets of definitions (e.g. only the single bullet that defines SHOULD could pop up). Just for reference, an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: $$$$

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: I'd be grateful if you could try to use a maximum line length of ~70 chars for your proposals (the Rulekeepor would probably be happy, too). (The Rulekeepor needs to rewrap the rule text anyway after indenting it properly, so

Re: DIS: Official rules?

On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 7:35 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: By the way, did you notice that the copy in the archives indents the Rule Text a couple extra spaces? But not the dividing . So if you look

DIS: Re: BUS: could agora be nearly web 2.0?

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:21 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/agora/rules/ not bad if you make it do lists properly (including indent). I like the style.

DIS: FLR lint [attn: G.]

- Rule 2448 is missing History: - Missing revision number in Amended() by Proposal 7766 (scshunt), 24 July 2015 - Wrong date format in Created by Proposal 7729 (Henri), 11 Feb 2015 (there is more inconsistency in the older dates, but that's a bit more work to fix - I didn't know this before) Older

Re: DIS: Official rules?

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I'm sending that same textfile from the command line... somewhere in lines that aren't flush, an extra space appears? You can see that didn't happen when I was the Rulekeepor:

Re: DIS: Official rules?

On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: By the way, did you notice that the copy in the archives indents the Rule Text a couple extra spaces? But not the dividing . So if you look in the archives, the text runs over the -. Heh, I've never noticed

Re: DIS: Official rules?

On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Hey omd, Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? The Ruleset is whitespace- inconsequential; formatting is wholly at Rulekeepor discretion - the only thing that would break in non-fixed width is the Town Fountain

Re: DIS: Official rules?

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Travis Briggs audiod...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who is thinking about registering, I was just wondering, what is the canonical source of current rules? The link on the homepage points to a text file that says go see http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt;

Fwd: DIS: Footnotes version

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2015, Kerim Aydin wrote: Did a quick re-write of The Game of Agora category in the Less Logical Ruleset style. In terms of precedence, assume footnotes for each rule are appended to main text of rule.

Re: DIS: Official rules?

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, omd wrote: Somewhat related non-homepage-related ideas: - Non-fixed-width ruleset - Better rule browser - Searchable Case Database That's existed for a long time, I just haven't mentioned it much

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: $$$

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: For the first 30 days after this rule is first enacted, the first player during a UTC day to, by announcement, claim the day’s $$$, causing them to gain 50 $$$. Claiming a day’s $$$ CANNOT be automated. The first

Re: DIS: Official rules?

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Fri, 14 Aug 2015, omd wrote: - Mention that reading the entire ruleset is not a requirement for joining. - More generally, there should be a guide for new players. Honestly, rather than a guidebook, maybe we should

Re: DIS: Footnotes version

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 4:11 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: No feedback on the concept even? oh well, maybe not worth doing. You're not supposed to say that after only 16 hours :) By the way, I'd appreciate feedback on my RFCs proto too :)

DIS: yoyo (attn: Registrar)

scshunt mentioned once or twice on IRC recently that the yoyo backup list is not functioning. Indeed, the website 404s, and I just tested the email functionality by sending messages to both no...@yoyo.its.monash.edu.au and (in case the list was cleared out but still up for some reason)

Re: DIS: yoyo (attn: Registrar)

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 8:53 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: scshunt mentioned once or twice on IRC recently that the yoyo backup list is not functioning. Incidentally, while tue works, its archive page is execrably designed, and the mbox download link is broken (returns an empty file): http

DIS: Re: BUS: A rantlet

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I'm starting to feel like Agora really isn't the nomic for me. Whenever we're faced with a choice between multiple valid and justifiable interpretations of the rules, we seem to rarely simply go with

DIS: Proto: RFCs

Proto: RFCs (AI=1.7) [A new proposal mechanism for Ephemeral rules. Inspired by Asimov's short story Franchise, where every year a computer picks a single most representative American as the Voter of the Year... Alternately, it could be seen as an inversion of the idea of Moots: they converted

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3450 assigned to Roujo

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: The intent is at least as clear as the preceding one. If neither are sufficient, then Quazie never became a player. If both are, e briefly was but then left. In both cases, the outcome is the same in regards

DIS: Re: BAK: test

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Well my goodness, hi.CFJ: Quazie is a player. Arguments: I don't see any reason why I attempt to leave would be ineffective.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of proposals 7780-83

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:15 AM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: 7782+ the Warrigal 3.0 Power Always Controls Mutability AGAINST - this would prevent proposals from modifying Power3 rules, because Rule 106 is Power 3

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Where did Win by Paradox go?

On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote: I support. Why not? To vote, you'll have to wait for the proposal to be distributed by the Promotor.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Silver Quill Vote

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proto (I was thinking about this already) In the Silver Quill voting, each player picks eir first (5 points), second (3 points) and third (1 point) choices. Proposal with the most points wins. Well, this is a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Voting for the Silver Quill is now Open

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: It's the degree of difficulty. Determining eligible players requires finding a single week-old report, which well within the realm of clear. A report with the list of proposals (with ID and title, but not text) was

Re: DIS: About Proposals 7773 and 7774

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 2:43 AM, tmanthe2nd . trstnbrd...@gmail.com wrote: Proposals 7773 and 7774 gives the wrong ID number for the rule it amends. Rule 2455 does not exist. So, the proposals don't actually do anything. So they do. Nice catch.

DIS: Re: BUS: Let's punish people again

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: proscribe a task for the Defendant to perform in a timely prescribe? The defendant's performing of the apology or task is an act of penance that has the effect of destroying one Red Card (if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Hear Ye, Hear Ye!

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: no worries! I'll deputize to assign the CFJ if no one jumps into the Arbitor role by tomorrow. -t. I'm willing to do it, but do you have a copy of the current state of your interested judge list? (t.?)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Hear Ye, Hear Ye!

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I announced a couple months ago that I was defining interested by voted at least once in the last couple weeks of Assessor's reports, and hasn't explicitly said they *weren't* interested. In other words, being

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7758-7762

Warrigal voted FOR without pseudo-acronym (4): omd Tiger Tekneek Roujo G. attempted to be ambiguous about it, but either way, pseudo-acronym wouldn't hit 50%.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7758-7762

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: Do you really need special list admin powers for that? Testing... You don't, but a quick archive grep suggests that nobody tried this in a voting message. I also doubt it would work legally, any more than you can publish

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7758-7762

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: What Ørjan means (Testing...) is that e slipped it into a field of that last email... Yeah, I know. But I checked the aforementioned archive to verify that nobody did the same in a message actually containing a vote.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ proposals

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: If two people have expressed interest in judging but have both been remitted, is the Arbitor prohibited from assigning either one to the case? Good point. I will amend.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: I thought (and Wikipedia agrees) that IRV stages without a majority winner (which includes any with a top tie) choose (one or more) losers, not a winner. Ah, yes. Thinko.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:22 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: (d) If the valid options are ordered lists of preferences, the outcome is decided using instant-runoff voting. In case

Re: DIS: archives?

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Hey omd, been getting 404s on the agoranomic archives for the past couple days... -G. I think it's actually since yesterday, when I switched webservers... I tested http://agoranomic.org, but forgot the list stuff

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An economic/gameplay experiment

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: If you care about how close someone else is, you can track it yourself (all the necessary information's public). It wouldn't surprise me if someone started publicly tracking it unofficially; the difference is that gameplay

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Corrected List of Silver Quill Proposals

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: 7693 Revised Province of Agora I informally nominate this one for a Silver Quill, for causing an inordinate number of words to be shed scamming and counterscamming it, a situation which ended not when the issues were

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Corrected List of Silver Quill Proposals

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:25 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: That was just a proposal for tightening-up of language. It didn't try to introduce any new mechanics. Oops. I meant to nominate the proposal which originally introduced the pending process, which is in fact 7728 (Even More

DIS: Re: BUS: Real proposal: The Resistance

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal, The Resistance, AI 1.5: Create a rule with power 1.5, titled Gothur and Yufel: This seems like a good use case for the currently-passing ephemeral (power1) rule proposal. The Patent Title bit requires 1.5,

DIS: Re: BUS: Some proposals

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: greater than the decisions adoption index and the ration of decisions; ratio the strength of FOR to the strength of AGAINST is equal to the decision's adoption index, then the vote

DIS: Re: BUS: 'Cause I deserve it

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I object because there is a proposal pending to award champion and e shouldn't get both The proposal is presently unlikely to pass. I'd rather em not get neither...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 'Cause I deserve it

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Ah, the Agora the Beautiful mousetrap. Meant to mention that *that* likely doesn't work either: http://cfj.qoid.us/1290 (summary: you can't repurpose one kind of announcement to make the announcer perform secondary

DIS: Re: BUS: 'Cause I deserve it

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: I intend do ratify the following document Without Objection: -- The Herald is authorized to award aranea the Patent Title of Champion. I believe tradition is that this doesn't do anything, since the rules have to

DIS: Re: BUS: I register.

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote: I register. Welcome! I see on IRC you were looking for the rules. If you haven't found them yet, the most consistent location to search is the mailing list archives, as the Rulekeepor is required to post the Short Logical

Re: DIS: A person of a non-biological nature?

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: I recently downloaded a program which trains neural nets to produce random text similar to a given input file. See: http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ I was a bit disappointed with that article

Re: DIS: A person of a non-biological nature?

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: The author of the software says that one megabyte is a very small amount of data to be training a neural net on. The Full Logical Ruleset I downloaded is only 187 kilobytes. So, naturally, I told the program to go

Re: DIS: Fleshing out my previous proto

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Anyone? Bueller? I like the general idea but think we don't have enough gameplay for the perks to be all that rewarding.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3448 assigned to G.

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If two people get the same victory conditions at the exact same time, they clearly tied the Nth game. But what if they win 5 minutes apart? The second winner probably got most of the way to victory alongside the first

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3448 assigned to G.

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: CALLER'S ARGUMENTS I believe R101 now takes precedence over 1023. You missed my arguments :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Domains, Interpretation, Precedence Reform, Fixes

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:27 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: ...oh, and that reminds me that the SLR ratification in one of your proposals will remove the power-1 dictatorship rule I still might have (!) Oh crap, never mind, it was repealed already two weeks ago by Proposal 7737, apparently

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Domains, Interpretation, Precedence Reform, Fixes

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Proposal: Domains (AI=3) {{{ Enact a new power-3 Rule (Domains): entities, and any other things Oh boy, nomics have really beaten that word to death over the years, haven't they... Nevertheless, I think

DIS: Re: BUS: Well then

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I CFJ {It is POSSIBLE for a player to win by Raising a Banner and, if a player wins the game, a new game begins.} Arguments: I believe R101 now takes precedence over 1023. Arguments: If this is FALSE, I think the

DIS: Re: BUS: report cfj

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: - the time limit for the Apr 20-26 Report had expired, but it was IMPOSSIBLE to publish a report in a previous week without time travel, so e couldn't deputize to do the Apr 20-26 Report. I don't think

Re: DIS: Proto v3: Organizations

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2015 15:24:18 -0400 omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Any players who were members of the Organization immediately before its collapse CANNOT become (or be caused to become) members

Re: DIS: Proto v3: Organizations

Nits: On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: Budget is a switch belonging to (Organization, player) pairs (i.e. there is one instance of the switch for each combination of an Organization and a player) A bit verbose - suggest belonging to each

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Proposal: Official Functions (AI=2) I guess you can remove the similar text in Rule 208 along with this.

DIS: Re: BUS: A Triumphant Return

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:28 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I would like to become a player at this time, even though I cannot do so by announcement. I too intend to become a player at this time. For clarity

DIS: Re: BUS: political season begins

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:21 AM, Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: Election Frequency (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) by replacing this text: a) by announcement, if e is the IADoP, if the office has been deputised for within the past two weeks, or

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Noise reduction

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: his monthly report, whose values are the subsets of the set of eir!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Protest

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: A Writ of FAGE is a Writ of Fugere Agorae Grandissima Exprobratione, from Rule 1789. I don't think I was around when it first came about, but I think it's also a pun on Fit of rage. =P ...Wow. In 8 years

Re: DIS: Previous economic plans?

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:11 PM, David Nicol davidni...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't announced that Agora Nomic will get access to testing the tipjar.com virtual currencies prototype as soon as it is ready for such in a few years; that's still true and in my plans. [Distributor note: for some

Re: DIS: flood control ping #3

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I object. Sorry for not paying much attention to Agora in general - a bit swamped. I think your mail delivery issues may be my fault: I may have accidentally installed a Debian stock qmail over the one in which I

DIS: Re: BUS: ping - mail list?

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: My inbox hasn't received emails from the mailing list since ~Jan 30, despite a few messages showing up in the archives since then. Checking to see if anyone else is having receiving issues...? I don't think there have

DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Citation

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: As Referee, I issue a Green Card to omd for failure to produce the SLR last week. -G. Sorry. I tend to really easily lose interest when other people stop posting. I'll get one out tomorrow.

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Also, even with a SHALL, you still might run into a CANNOT... what happens in a SHALL if you deal a card that doesn't happen to exist (e.g. there's only one copy of the card, you think it's in the deck and deal it but it

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [King Azaz] Word Overload

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: So, do I have recordkeeper or not? You... do now, because of self-ratification. Sorry, I've been out of it.

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I guess my remaining issue is this: suppose I select a random result, and post it to the list. If there's any chance that there's a result I would have refused to post, then this is (rightfully) invalid. So in order to

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Without your proposal, any time the rules say CAN (not SHALL) pick a random number with a particular distribution, the implication is that e CANNOT pick from the wrong distribution (e.g. the pick fails to make whatever

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

In general, I'd tend to agree with G.. - No *platonic* failures need apply unless a truly verifiable form of randomness is used; in lieu of that, you can always cheat just by lying about a roll, so bad randomness would always be a SHALL violation. - The basic requirement is that you SHALL make a

DIS: Re: BUS: testing some informal arragements

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: For each proposal decision for which the voting period is in progress and omd has cast no votes (except possibly on someone else's behalf), I vote on omd's behalf: (endorse ais523). Too late.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [King Azaz] Royal Banquet

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I trade in my be word card for an a one. I trade in me considered word card for a recordkeeper one. I order my word cards into the following Inventory: a person's recordkeeper I perform the above actions (i.e.

Re: DIS: making semi-trusted dice?

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If I put up a (in programming sense trivial) dice server tailored to Agoran needs, are there folks out there who know a little bit about security who can advise on a way it can be trusted? (E.g. Hash of the source code

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 16:07 -0500, omd wrote: Does Awarding a Medal count as a modification to an Organization? It's not actually relevant. The reason I used Appropriate/Inappropriate rather than some previously defined

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: In general, I consider cheating random rolls up there with pretending to be two different people. I consider it Very Bad Form to cheat, but I'd rather not legislate to the point that we can guarantee it doesn't happen,

Re: DIS: random text

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: The Courts are the final arbiter of whether a method's probability distribution among the possible outcomes is reasonably close to that required by the Rules. This goes without saying.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: testing some informal arragements

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 13:35 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I just realized that voting may be a poor test case, as it could be argued (barely, but perhaps within the bounds of reason) that these amount to Endorsements. If that

DIS: Re: BUS: Re OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of proposals 7728-7729

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Joe Piercey joerpier...@gmail.com wrote: My votes: 7725 present 7726 against 7727 present 7728 for 7729 present You're too late for 7725; others should be good.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Expedition] Word Card fixes

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: Why the hurry? Mainly because I wanted to test out Expeditions.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJs 3437-3439 assigned to omd

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I personally don't think it's outside of interpretation to make an (fairly?) straightforward grammatical correction here. Even with the 'is' included, it could be read as: When a CFJ becomes [(open) and (is assigned to

Re: DIS: [IADoP] Metareport

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: King Azaz omd 10 Nov 14never 2440.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [King Azaz] Royal Banquet

On Thursday, November 13, 2014, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: No, the egrep '^ ' removes most of that. Misses the initial url list, though. There's supposed to be six spaces in the command, actually - bad word wrapping in my message.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgment of CFJ 3432

On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Why, you're right. I considered this, but decided that it would be too natural to read add entities to as add new entities to, i.e. create new entities in, for that to stand a chance. Especially since the *contents* of

DIS: Re: BUS: depute

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I intend to deputize for IADoP to resolve the election for IADoP. Pfft, I haven't even violated the deadline yet. Nor do I intend to.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Revised distribution of proposals 7721-24

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I vote as follows: (Can you stop sending votes to agora-official, please?)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Lame Duck Metareport

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: I was relying on (what I believed to be) the fact that the obligation to issue a Card during the week of 27 Oct (because violations occurred during that week) converted into an open-ended obligation (CFJs 2120/2121) which could

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Lame Duck Metareport

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: There is always the Referee (as an office), even when there is no officeholder. I believe the (real, not hypothetical) obligation was the office's, despite its vacancy. E.g. CFJ 2437? For the record, if the obligation actually

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3436 assigned to the Warrigal

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: CALLER'S ARGUMENTS It is unclear whether or not G submitted the Proposal: Defining Reasonable Review because e does not state that e submits the proposal. Evidence: http://cfj.qoid.us/1647

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Election Voting

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 02:52 +, Edward Murphy wrote: #2: Referee endorse the Referee I deputise for the Referee to issue a Card: Referee, you failed to issue a Card last week. I issue you a Yellow Card. Please perform

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes on Proposals 7698-7710

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Even if the order of changes isn't ambiguous (because it doesn't matter), every instance may be R105 ambiguous. Is it every instance that the submitter is aware of? The Rulekeepor? What if there's an instance in the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Revised distribution of proposals 7721-24

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: 7723 Henri 1.0 Single line feed AGAINST. I'm shocked you'd vote AGAINST. I can't even find a *hypothetical* problem with any of the changes being proposed.

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