Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3352 assigned to scshunt

2013-07-03 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Arguments: Even if it does, the award is pragmatic, and since the Herald did not award Renascent to me before I awarded myself a Transparent Ribbon, the award still succeeds. It's not the Herald that would be

DIS: Re: BUS: Inflationary Party

2013-07-03 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:39 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with two Independent Support, to form the Inflationary Party with the following Constitution: Heh... I had the same idea, but I was going to wait until the wins for Yaks proposal passed.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gerontocracy Fix

2013-07-03 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Amend Rule 2410 (Parties) by replacing Party members SHALL obey their party's constitution. with Party members SHALL obey their party's constitution, except where this would cause them to violate a Rule in the

DIS: Re: BUS: Activity

2013-07-03 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I act. FYI, as Registrar, I am not treating this as making you active.

DIS: Calling the H. CotC

2013-07-02 Thread omd
Roujo, Would you mind putting programs.tar.gz and dump.txt.gz back on your copy of the CotC database? Thanks.

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Question for omd: did you have a clever way to win had 363 put us into Zeno's Endgame? I came up with a couple thoughts but not particularly compelling ones. -G. Not really, since a quorum would still be required

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I thought at one point the complete silence at how one becomes a player was quite weak (I guess it came up with the forfeiture-forcing). Walker, consider taking note! -G. Incidentally, I disliked the judgement that a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7482-7498

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 July 2013 01:09, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: 7492 2 50 O Walker Good Judgement AGAINST; this is hardly a proposal worth 50 Yaks. I spent Y40 on making this extra Distributable, so I

DIS: Re: BUS: Yak niggles

2013-07-01 Thread omd
Note to self: This was never distributed. As I said, by next week, I will have a script to avoid these way-too-frequent missed proposals. Or you can replace me. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: { Yak niggles (AI 2, proposal fee Y40) Amend

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: [1] legal fiction; actually 4 Jun 13 That seems to be a dangling [1]. Indeed; it should refer to Machiavelli.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Herald Election

2013-06-30 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Ah. In that case I vote conditionally for the candidate who makes the relevant proposal and ensures that its Distributability is at least one, endorsing G. (since e has fewer offices) if both of the candidates or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Herald Election

2013-06-30 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I didn't see your explicit Agora XX suggestions, but as mentioned in my last email I was thinking them appropriate anyway. I'm not sure why scshunt suggests these need proposal, can't see anything wrong with

DIS: Voting at the airport

2013-06-29 Thread omd
I spend 50 points to vote AGAINST 364. I spend 50 points to vote AGAINST 364. I spend 50 points to vote AGAINST 364. I spend 50 points to vote AGAINST 364. I transfer the rest of my points to Walker. I invoke judgement on the statement: Proposal 364 was submitted legally. Arguments: It seems to

Re: DIS: Voting at the airport

2013-06-29 Thread omd
Oh, and if anyone is here in the next hour or so (if I remember correctly) and hasn't voted due to apathy, remember that 364 awards the win to a group of players that does not include you, and has had many extra votes cast FOR it. (I hope Walker is here... it's time for my flight :)

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-29 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: The previous version of poor rule 112, much vandalised and abused over its sorry existence, extends the game to allow the final proposals to resolve, and in any case, it didn't actually end the game Ah, my mistake. Was your vote

Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse

2013-06-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: 3. All communications to Ambassador Abuse are in Ambabusese, but the rules themselves are in English, Now that I have a keyboard, I'll note that this is something like ISIDTID - just because Ambassador Abuse deems certain messages

DIS: Re: BUS: I register.

2013-06-28 Thread omd
On Friday, June 28, 2013, Sgeo wrote: I register. Welcome back! However, you can't register, because nobody actually deregistered you. You remain an inactive player.

DIS: XX: something not actually related to XX

2013-06-28 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I happened to stumble across the message quoted below: Ah! That reminds me, since we have some additional players here who I didn't attempt to contact before: if anyone happens to have any archives of list mail

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 12th report

2013-06-28 Thread omd
I cast an extra vote for 343.

DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2013-06-28 Thread omd
On Friday, June 28, 2013, Matt Berlin wrote: If I am not registered, I register as arkestra. You were not registered. Welcome back!

DIS: XX: Agora Infinity

2013-06-27 Thread omd
[Note which I request the Speaker to include: At this point the best strategy to win is obviously to avoid controversial proposals, and I suspect this might make me lose, but I like this idea enough that I'm proposing it anyway. Basically, after a winner is determined on the anniversary, allow

Re: DIS: Agora XX: CFJ assigned to omd

2013-06-27 Thread omd
On Thursday, June 27, 2013, Fool wrote: CFJ: a player who forfeits the game can still vote and/or transfer points. In most games, after a player loses or forfeits, e is no longer considered a player and can no longer make any type of move, and Rule 113 concurs with this in contrasting

Re: DIS: Agora XX: proposal

2013-06-26 Thread omd
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, Malcolm Ryan wrote: Let's make this interesting. I propose that a rule be enacted reading: If a player proposes a rule change which is not adopted at the end of its voting period, that player must immediately forfeit the game. For.

DIS: Agora XX: CFJ on the UNDEAD

2013-06-26 Thread omd
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, Fool wrote: Goethe's arguments: Was thinking about this, it's interesting that this win attempt goes along with our earlier discussion on legal versus mathematical. In a mathematical sense, one could say that it was equally likely or unlikely that omd sent

Re: DIS: Agora XX: CFJ

2013-06-26 Thread omd
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, wrote: I invoke judgement on the following statement: The selection of a Judge for this statement is a move whose legality cannot be determined with finality. I think you need to wait until a purported selection actually occurs. In any case, this might be enough

Re: DIS: Agora XX: CFJ

2013-06-26 Thread omd
On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, wrote: As for any ordering of actions occuring in the same message, that's tradition (possibly law?) in Agora itself, but I don't know whether Agoran tradition carries over to Agora XX. By the way, I'm not saying that my principle would necessarily hold in Agora

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2013-06-25 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: scshunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.edu 3 Jun 13 CoE: Per recent judgement about ratification, scshunt is an elder by legal fiction. This does not self-ratify, so no further mess has occurred.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-25 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: Just have any invalid code = PRESENT. The assessor knows directly whether quorum is met, without decoding, or even having to cross-reference with anything. Yeah, this would work - it would just be a bit weird for invalid vote =

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-06-25 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 8:27 PM, The UNDEAD theagoranund...@gmail.com wrote: I do not register. I propose repealing rule 327. Well... even though there are supposed to be a few days left, I don't want to delay this further lest someone else beat me to it :) I invoke judgement on the statement

Re: DIS: Proposals 326-329

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: 326 (Chuck): I propose that rule 311 be amended by deleting the text “There is no other way to win.” 327 (Walker): I propose to amend Rule 310 by replacing inpermissible with impermissible. 328 (Walker): I propose to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3337 judged FALSE by G.

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I announce {{{I call a CFJ on the statement This is a CFJ.}}} I attempt to announce {{{I call a CFJ on the statement This is another CFJ.}}} Arguments: Clearly, just calling a CFJ by itself works. How many levels of

DIS: Proposals

2013-06-24 Thread omd
I propose that Rule 214 be amended to read: The Speaker shall choose Judges randomly from the set of qualified players. The players qualified to judge a statement are the Speaker and those Voters who voted on the rule change whose voting period most recently ended, except for the player who

DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Amend Rule 2409 (Star Chamber) inserting - publish the list of codes (but not the corresponding options) as the second item in the bulleted list. [Allows the Assessor to know whether or not each vote cast is valid

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: (especially if the initiator is also the vote collector [whatever happened to the rule against that?]). FWIW, as the first person to be both Promotor and Assessor as long as I can remember (mainly because Murphy's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3337 judged FALSE by G.

2013-06-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Time to do a total copout, I guess, given that I'm not paying enough attention to sort this out by myself: For each colour of ribbon, I attempt

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Shame! (7471-7472)

2013-06-23 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: For each player in the quoted list other than Murphy and FSX, I intend, without objection, to make em inactive. I remind H. scshunt that these intents are now mature.

DIS: Re: BUS: Naughty, Naughty Bureaucrat!

2013-06-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Now, R2395 reads: There exists an office of Governmental Waste. This office shall have no duties, shall make no reports, and shall exist as the sole result of governmental waste. Arguments: The facts that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Naughty, Naughty Bureaucrat!

2013-06-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Arguments: The facts that (a) the entity that shall make no reports is the office rather than the officer and (b) the other two shalls are both prescriptive rather than obligatory strongly suggest to me that, contrary

Re: DIS: Link updates for www.agoranomic.org

2013-06-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: omd's Agora-related stuff also disappeared at some point. This too is due to an unexpected need to move to a new server. Just tried to fix this, but it's crufty and complicated and my internet connection has enough latency

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Naughty, Naughty Bureaucrat!

2013-06-23 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: What did it for me was the fact that R2143 is very clear that duties belong to 'persons', so you can say that the sum of a person's duties includes the combined sum of the duties of all eir offices. (and that as I

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Recusals and Assignements

2013-06-22 Thread omd
On Saturday, June 22, 2013, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: I recuse Wes from CFJ 3329, and assign that CFJ to Walker. I make Wes supine, since e doesn't seem be active enough to take care of eir assignements. I recuse Wes from CFJ 3318, rotate the bench and assign that CFJ to G. I recuse Wes from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 15:24 +1000, Michael Norrish wrote: Very cool. I'm glad that's being used. I don't know how long it took me, but I certainly shifted well away from being a Platonist as the game progressed. Clearly I

DIS: XX: fixes and mediocrity

2013-06-21 Thread omd
I submit three proposals: - that 112 be made mutable (again - note that this requires unanimous consent); - that it be amended by replacing GMT with UTC (for clarity) and by removing There is no other way to win. (because 219 is intended to provide another way to win); and - that it be amended by

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 2 CFJs

2013-06-21 Thread omd
On Saturday, June 22, 2013, Fool wrote: IMHO, only a moron in a hurry would interpret the wording as having either bug. I am, in fact, kind of in a hurry. So I will not deliver a legal judgement on either now. By rule 215, I have 24 hours. (For reference for any players who may not be

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3344 assigned to scshunt

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Does anyone have an argument as to why this is not in fact UNDECIDEABLE? I'm thinking that there must be exactly one Speaker, but there is nothing to indicate who that Speaker is, so it may as well be Michael Norrish

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 Jun 2013 06:30, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: As an aside, I find it funny that I still think of Roujo as a new player, despite the fact that e has been playing for two and a half years now

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I sometimes think of everyone who registered after me (6 years ago) as a newbie. Of course we have at least one player who played Agora's spiritual predecessor and made vaguely precedential posts 15 years before that,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to hear players' views on what causes these eras (if you don't think they are just arbitrary labels), or rather what makes a particular system stable enough to make it last that long. Does Agora simply

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, omd wrote: http://agoranomic.org/propgraph/pg.html Well, yes. Yes you have. Incidentally, just fixed that graph to deal with H. Former Promotor Machiavelli's crazy Unicode subject lines.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Meanwhile, VCs all reset whenever anyone's voting limit becomes high enough. It /is/ possible to get a win via VCs (although we should reintroduce a Clout rule so that it can be done via a method less disruptive than knocking

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal 305

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: 305 (Chuck): I propose that the following rule be created: No rule may award or penalize players based on their votes on proposals whose voting period ended before or at the same time as the time at which the current form of

DIS: XX: Due proposte

2013-06-19 Thread omd
I propose that a rule be enacted as follows: A player may transfer points to another player by posting to that effect on the mailing list. I further propose that Rule 112 be made mutable.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3337 judged FALSE by G.

2013-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Time to do a total copout, I guess, given that I'm not paying enough attention to sort this out by myself: For each colour of ribbon, I attempt to

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal

2013-06-18 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM, games...@chuckcarroll.org wrote: I vote in favor of my own proposal. I propose that a rule be enacted to read: Upon the enactment of this rule, each player who voted for it shall receive 30 points, and each player who voted against shall lose the 10 points

DIS: Re: BUS: A CFJ

2013-06-18 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Flameshadowxeroshin flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com wrote: CFJ: Only sentient artificial intelligence systems are second-class persons. Note that person is currently explicitly defined by the Power-3 Rule 2150. CFJ 1700 does not mention root's keyboard; CFJ 1685,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7453-70

2013-06-18 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Gratuitous: I generally left it implicit and got no complaints. Do you have your own database set up or would you like me to continue updating the existing one? While a database of proposal text + results would be handy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hang on tight, we'll do it live.

2013-06-18 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Have I missed something? I thought CotC was postulated. CotC and Assessor were made Assumed when Murphy recently received a TIME OUT sentence.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7435-36

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Some may, in certain circumstances, have a value that is not immediately discernible solely by taking the rules and some other subset of game state, and performing a calculation. This indicates to me that they are

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7453-70

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what you mean by 'out of time': it's past the ASAP deadline but the awards CAN still be made. If the time limit is already broken, I don't think the awards are required by the Rules any longer, so I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7453-70

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 Jun 2013, at 20:19, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:24 AM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: 7468 240 O scshunt Fix Bug I submit a proposal identical

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3327 assigned to woggle

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:02 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: == CFJ 3327 == It was POSSIBLE for me to cash 'ZipZop Series G-002' when I attempted to do so.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7473-7481

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013, Sean Hunt wrote: 7474 20 O omdRepeal unusable auctions DENOUNCE the vote cast by G. on Proposal 7481. Kudos for a nice quid-pro-quo setup. Though so far, it looks like others

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy CotC] CFJ 3337 assigned to G.

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: but I have missed the context on why this was happening; i.e. what different reports were ratifying em in and out of the game? Sorry if I missed an obvious explanation on the list somewhere. Gratuitous: The reports I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agora XX: 1st report: Vigintennial Blitz game begins

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 17 Jun 2013, omd wrote: Incidentally, if G. rules that Proposal 7441 did not fail quorum, Incidentally, omd, did you note my earlier request to you on the case (if speed is of the essence...) Just responded :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Still Here (sort of)

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I object to any intents to make me inactive. Would you mind voting on distributions, then?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy CotC] CFJ 3337 assigned to G.

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: PROTO (omd, scshunt, pls comment!). I'n not convinced by the above explanation. I think it is more reasonable to say that ratifying a non-player into office would add inconsistencies and by R1551 would simply fail

Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial

2013-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I just emailed Peter Suber, inviting him to our events and asking for any commentary he might have. I will forward any response I receive. Any others? Michael Norrish, some of the other initial players (perhaps

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador-at-Large][CotC] CFJ 3336 assigned to scshunt

2013-06-13 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If so, can this be used for a scam - e.g. if I break two entirely unrelated rules with entirely unrelated actions, can I do a single case accusing myself of doing both 'X and Y' and thus avoid individual punishments?

DIS: Re: BUS: Giving it a shot

2013-06-13 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Flameshadowxeroshin flameshadowxeros...@gmail.com wrote: I become active. Welcome back!

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-13 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: For that matter, is the card paradox still compelling? I had a look at the current ruleset and I'd guess that nowadays the card paradox would be resolved by R1030 (In a conflict between rules...) or R2240 (In a conflict between

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-13 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 1. As you say, one Rule says you played a card and have it, and another rule says you cancelled the play. The rules conflict, so the play of the lower-powered is conflicting and void. But the odd thing is, the latter

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-13 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:20 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: (this has actually been tried, though I don't remember the outcome) On further review, this was actually only in a rule I purported to prepare to scam in using a very lame mechanism on April Fool's Day a few years ago. Anyway

DIS: Re: BUS: Stones

2013-06-12 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I play stones at (lat, lon): (3, -3), (2, -3), (1, -3). Where are you all getting stones from? Igora was adopted after the start of the week.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-12 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: From 2002 (when I started) to 2005 no one thought about paradoxes at all in this sense. Paradoxical CFJ statements were simply DISMISSED as meaningless. I think the aforementioned lawyer had a hand in creating this

DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-11 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: it regulates the game by instructing the players to interpret the rules as if the statement it is LEGAL to shout 'CREAMPUFF' if and only if it is ILLEGAL to shout 'CREAMPUFF' were true. If the statement were true, then

DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-11 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Tanner Swett wrote: 'CREAMPUFF' I disfavor everything contained in the above-cited message. Because of the word CREAMPUFF? It's an interesting and fundamental CFJ, in my opinion, despite its

DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-11 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: by human decisions which face the need to escape absurd literalism I'm not quite sure this entirely applies to Agora. :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: May as well try to settle this, I think

2013-06-11 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: Is this (and a bunch of other CFJs on the topic of paradoxes) all about rule 2358? Why not just change that? Although Rule 2358 mostly depends on the traditional interpretation of paradoxes as causing fundamental logical

DIS: Re: BUS: Inconstant vigilance

2013-06-09 Thread omd
of the PVN and Virtue.) Inconstant indeed. I once again intend, without objection, to ratify the above-quoted claim. Now that this is ratified, I note that CFJ 3211, omd violated Rule 2356 by taunting the police., was called several months after the last modification to that rule. ;p

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor]

2013-06-09 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: CoE: At the very least, Machiavelli was inactive at the time of distribution. Quorum was 5. Denied. Machiavelli was inactive, but Ienpw III registered at about the same time. Ah. In that case, quorum was still 5

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Assessor Election Resolution

2013-06-09 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I intend, without objection, to award Murphy the Patent Title of Indispensable Do-Nothing PRESENT

DIS: Soon-to-be slackers!

2013-06-08 Thread omd
In the interests of speeding up the game, I'm providing a gratuitous early warning for Proposals 7453-7470, which are in danger of failing quorum and having their voting periods doubled in two days. The following active players have not yet voted on all of them despite being eligible: ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7453-7469

2013-06-04 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: CoE: I submitted a proposal in my Rulekeepor's notes on proposals 7418-7425. Indeed. I need to write a script to double-check messages to detect proposals hidden in the middle of messages which already spuriously match my search

Re: DIS: Committees proto-proto

2013-06-04 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: - Promotor distributes in the first 4 days of each week (currently a proposal submitted on a Monday could wait just under two weeks before distribution without the Promotor breaking a rule) I always considered

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [IADoP] Governmental Waste Election

2013-06-03 Thread omd
I offer to vote for any candidate with salary 1 for a price of 2x salary, to be paid only if that candidate wins. (I'd submit a promise, but I'm still unsure whether the Tree is actually functional; Ienpw III hasn't judged the relevant case within the time limit and the Assessor hasn't yet

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7426-34

2013-06-03 Thread omd
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:55 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: For my own record, I'll note that the first error was not mine (it was in woggle's deputy Registrar report), but the second was. My apologies, Machiavelli. Actually, the first error was also mine because the deputy Registrar

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7453-7469

2013-06-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:07 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: 7453 2 0 O scshunt Criminal Accountability 7466 1.7 40 O scshunt Victim's Rights 7467 370 O scshunt New Precedents 7468 240 O scshunt Fix Bug 7469 3 0 O scshunt Proposal editing Minor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [IADoP] Governmental Waste Election

2013-06-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: Not-really-a-CoE: I don't recall whether or not I was an active player at the time that I purported to nominate myself. If I was not, then I am not a candidate. You were not.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] VC Report

2013-06-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I believe that at least one IADoP report will have ratified my playerhood since. Meh, you're right. In that case, your playerhood has been flipping between dates one week after publications of Registrar's reports and

DIS: Re: BUS: Blargh

2013-06-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Since I just realized that AssessorDB got quorum wrong on the Agoran Decision to adopt proposal 7435, since it's based on the players at initiation, I submit a proposal identical to 7435 and then I initiate an

Re: DIS: Question for H. Promotor

2013-06-02 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Do you intend to distribute all proposals as usual, or will you distribute only those with positive distributability as if P2425 hadn't failed to amend R1607? I am required to distribute them all, at least this

DIS: Re: BUS: Yak niggles

2013-05-30 Thread omd
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Note that the use of 'pending', which was defined by the Yaks proposal, means that the Promotor is never required to distribute a proposal in the same week in which it was submitted. Oops, sorry! I guess the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3318 judged NOT GUILTY by Wes; appealed by scshunt, omd, Walker; appeal assigned to Ienpw III, G., Henri

2013-05-30 Thread omd
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: I initiate a CFJ on the statement If the time period for judging CFJ 3318a ends with no majority opinion among members of the panel assigned to it, then the Ambassador-At-Large will be REQUIRED to cause the panel to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yak niggles

2013-05-30 Thread omd
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties: a) distribute the MI pending proposals with the highest Distributability, breaking ties in favour of proposals

Re: DIS: Entreco!

2013-05-30 Thread omd
Gratuitous evidence: comex tswett: does Entreco have any players other than yourself? tswett No.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Naughtiness (part 1)

2013-05-29 Thread omd
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If you're looking for a not guilty now to immunize yourself from a guilty later, that doesn't work. R101 forbids multiple penalties, but not multiple trials. There is a specific precedent to this (I think I argued

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dismissal Accountabilty

2013-05-27 Thread omd
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Fines can be avoided by disposing of the assets, for instance. No, they can't. Fines are a SHALL destroy; if the ninny disposes of eir assets, e can be found guilty of violating that and sentenced to a different

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dismissal Accountabilty

2013-05-27 Thread omd
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: No, they can't. Fines are a SHALL destroy; if the ninny disposes of eir assets, e can be found guilty of violating that and sentenced to a different punishment. But if e disposes of eir assets while the judgement

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7426-36

2013-05-27 Thread omd
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Machiavelli voted AGAINST 7431: http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2013-May/031143.html Admitted. omd only re-voted on 7426-34, and only after eir VVLOP was increased to 5 (not after

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7437-7443

2013-05-27 Thread omd
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: I do so. Since my original message was accidentally NTTPF, I think this is a reasonably clear and unambiguous synonym for submitting the quoted proposal. As Promotor, so do I.

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