Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 23:14 +, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM Owen Jacobson > wrote: > > * Find the most unlikely interpretations of the rules and call > > endless > > CFJs to support those interpretations. > > Finding them is optional in

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM Owen Jacobson wrote: > * Find the most unlikely interpretations of the rules and call endless CFJs to support those interpretations. Finding them is optional in certain circumstances. Sometimes they show up on their own. I submit the following

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

Agora tends to go through periods of building game systems (lots of proposal drafting) then periods of playing what we set up (lots of basic transaction messages, trades, gameplay). We're very much in the first mode right now - hopefully not for much longer we've been there since around May -

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 23:14 +, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM Owen Jacobson > > wrote: > > > * Find the most unlikely interpretations of the rules and call > > > endless > > > > CFJs to support those

Re: DIS: Test

I received this. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 22, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > Possibly the first time one of these /isn't/ a timing scam? > > It's possible my email problems have been resolved, at

Re: DIS: Test

me too. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I received this. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > > > >> On Sep 22, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Alex Smith

DIS: Test

Possibly the first time one of these /isn't/ a timing scam? It's possible my email problems have been resolved, at least with respect to sending. If this message gets through, presumably others will too. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:33 AM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:45 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> Registrar >> This result has changed. Nichdel had three first-preference votes, but >> PSS had six and remains registrar. This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3559 assigned to o

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I could write an Agency with that same thing + output, for example, something > like: > > ---*--- > Any agent may take 1 shiny from Cuddlebeam and the following clause has no > effect. > > Any agent may take 2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > As for the gerontocracy argument: Money is an inherently gerontocratic > system. It abstracts value from labor in a way that allows arbitrary > allocation. > I'm about 95% sure this is the gist of my partner’s argument when

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 21:13 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Rule 2166: > > > A fixed asset is one defined as such by its backing document, and > > CANNOT be transferred; any other asset is liquid. > > Proposal: > > > Pledges are an indestructible fixed asset. > > I’m assuming that framework for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > Also, I am curious about the implications of Agora doing > something ILLEGAL. I’m not, at least for the present. Agora cannot receive cards, and in any case, carding Agora has no ludic effect, platonic OR pragmatic. On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On 09/22/17 21:40, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >>> but would you consider supporting one that shrinks welcome packages? >> >> http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/9b7efdf4.png > Alt text: a Hearthstone card with the legend

DIS: [Proto] Aggregates (Contracts, by another means)

* An Aggregate is an asset. * A player may create eir own Aggregate by announcement, listing a set of assets e owns as constituents. * A player who owns an Aggregate may destroy it by announcement. (This is automatic if an Aggregate is “an Asset” but it might be worth calling out given the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Atm

I’ve accounted for it as one, on the premise that “insert” is a fairly obvious synonym for “give” in this context, and that there’s exactly one thing that can both own shinies and receive trust tokens that the noun “ATM” could reasonably refer to. Want to CFJ it? I don’t, but I’ll provide

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > memes aside, I think that we're young enough in this current system that I > don't mind there being player-wide taxing or rebalancing or something until > we settle on something stable. > > HOWEVER, a way to look at

Re: DIS: Proto: Banking and Bonds (v2)

I normally try to avoid this, because it’s an invitation to line-by-line wrangling, but I have some fairly specific feedback on wording. Before I get into it, some comments on the overall structure: It’s good. In particular, I appreciate the possibility of multiple banks, though I suspect

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Atm

It was intended as a potential transfer - I believed it likely succeeded - but explicitly didn't care if it failed On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 20:44 Cuddle Beam wrote: > (not really slang but like non-explicit language in general : P ) > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:43 AM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Atm

(not really slang but like non-explicit language in general : P ) On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:43 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > It feels a bit like a game of Limbo with slang lol. How slang can you go!- > before it becomes non-gamestate. > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Owen

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

If people can't do what they want, sometimes they'll go to extremes to do it anyway... On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 23:14 +, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 22,

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

I'm tempted to actually initiate a CFJ on that now. Is that a dumb idea? That's probably a dumb idea. But maybe it's not. I have no idea. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Rouillard < >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On 09/22/17 21:44, Cuddle Beam wrote: > memes aside, I think that we're young enough in this current system > that I don't mind there being player-wide taxing or rebalancing or > something until we settle on something stable. > > HOWEVER, a way to look at it is that having the floating value be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Atm

It feels a bit like a game of Limbo with slang lol. How slang can you go!- before it becomes non-gamestate. On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I’ve accounted for it as one, on the premise that “insert” is a fairly > obvious synonym for “give” in this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

>Total Annihilation OH BABY THIS GAME WAS THE J A M when I was a wee little kid lol. holy shit. Such nostalgia. On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > As for the gerontocracy

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Rouillard > wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM Owen Jacobson > wrote: > > * Find the most unlikely interpretations of the rules and call endless CFJs > > to support

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

They're defined as a "fixed" asset, which means they can't be transferred. -Aris On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I >>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

We could also just make all assets ownable by persons or make all assets go at reregistration to Agora, but then they may be reclaimed upon registration, in quantities decreasing over time. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:08 PM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I >> pended it, so I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and >> submit the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On 09/22/17 19:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I pended > it, so I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and submit the > following proposal in its place. This time, for sure! > > Title: Make Your Home Shine > Author: o >

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:09 -0400, ATMunn . wrote: > I'm tempted to actually initiate a CFJ on that now. > > Is that a dumb idea? > That's probably a dumb idea. > > But maybe it's not. I have no idea. I'm pretty sure it was posted to agora-discussion intentionally, meaning that it can't take

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Fri, 2017-09-22 at 20:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I noticed a significant mechanical defect and a style defect after I > pended it, so I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and > submit the following proposal in its place. This time, for sure! What prevents pledge owners from

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > It occurs to me that (thinking back over a couple years), several registration > errors have been ratified, and given that this kicks people out of the game, > it's a fairly big error that can lead to anger.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On 09/22/17 20:46, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 09/22/17 19:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Create a pledge owned by nichdel, whose terms are >> >> { >> I pledge to not acknowledge any messages Cuddle Beam sends to >> a-d, or to respond in a-d to anything CB does. >> } > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > given that it's so far mostly been the new player award that trips the big > drop in Agora balance, automatic right-sizing of the economy to the number > of players seems important an stability fix (maybe something to

DIS: Re: BUS: Atm

Is this a shiny transfer? > On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Quazie wrote: > > Insert 1 Shiny into the recently registered ATM. > > I give ATM a trust token.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

memes aside, I think that we're young enough in this current system that I don't mind there being player-wide taxing or rebalancing or something until we settle on something stable. HOWEVER, a way to look at it is that having the floating value be really low when a new player joins (because of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

>I’m not, at least for the present. Agora cannot receive cards, and in any case, carding Agora has no ludic effect, platonic OR pragmatic. Agora would need to be a person too. (because "The person to whom the Card

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Elections: Correctly this time!

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > We could also just make all assets ownable by persons or make all assets go > at reregistration to Agora, but then they may be reclaimed upon registration, > in quantities

Re: DIS: [Proto] Aggregates (Contracts, by another means)

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 12:54 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > * An Aggregate is an asset. > > * A player may create eir own Aggregate by announcement, listing a set of > assets e owns as constituents. > > * A player who owns an Aggregate may destroy it by announcement. (This is

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

Yeah, I understood that it was posted to agora-discussion intentionally. My post was mostly a joke. I have come across the Spivak thing, and was wondering about it some. Thanks for the explanation. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

On 09/22/17 21:18, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> given that it's so far mostly been the new player award that trips the big >> drop in Agora balance, automatic right-sizing of the economy to the number >> of players seems

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Title: Make Your Home Shine Author: o Co-authors: CuddleBeam, Ørjan, V.J Rada AI: 1.7 Ratify the following statement: { The only pledge owned by o was created on Aug 23, 2017. } You need AI >= 3 for ratification. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > >but would you consider supporting one that shrinks welcome packages? > > http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/9b7efdf4.png Alt text: a Hearthstone card with the legend “Gerontocracy Warning”, containing an image of a

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Election: o. is the agronomist!

> On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:03 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I resolve the Agoran decision for the determination of the Agronomist. > Again, the quorum was 2.0 and the valid options were the players. I look forward to serving. A brief reminder: the Agronomy rules are nonfunctional

DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

given that it's so far mostly been the new player award that trips the big drop in Agora balance, automatic right-sizing of the economy to the number of players seems important an stability fix (maybe something to couple with any final minimum wage proposal). On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson

DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

rip Promo/Assessor On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:29 AM, ATMunn . wrote: > > > I register as a new player. > > I cause ATMunn to receive a welcome package of 50 shinies. > > Next week’s pending price is

Re: DIS: Test

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > Possibly the first time one of these /isn't/ a timing scam? > > It's possible my email problems have been resolved, at least with > respect to sending. If this message gets through, presumably others > will too. I

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:35 AM, ATMunn . wrote: > Hey! I'm ATMunn. > I discovered Agora a little while back, and just decided it sounded > interesting, so I joined. > > I've seen some of the messages that have been so far, and honestly I have no > idea what's going on,

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

Thanks for the welcome package, whether it actually worked or not. I still have no real idea what I'm going to do; so for now I'll just watch and see what comes up. I'm sure I'll find something to do sooner or later. On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > On

Re: DIS: New player, just registered

I think that is a wise plan. I feel like I didn't do very much aside from watch for the first six months I was playing (my organization notwithstanding). 天火狐 On 22 September 2017 at 13:25, ATMunn . wrote: > Thanks for the welcome package, whether it actually worked or