Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:40 PM James Cook wrote: > Ha, maybe. Here's another argument, though: Master is secured at a > power threshold of 2. Rule 2551 ("Auction End") only has power 1. I > doubt Rule 2551 can get around that by saying it's Agora doing it > rather than R2551, but if it can, I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 03:26, omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 7:44 PM James Cook wrote: > > Could you elabourate? Even if we should pretend zombies are assets, it's > > not always true that an asset's owner CAN transfer it. E.g. if I had blots > > and auctioned them off, I don't think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Regulated Actions

2019-06-14 Thread Aris Merchant
Oops. Yes, I did indeed. Sorry about that, and thanks for catching the error. -Aris On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:27 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > Telling someone that they aren’t allowed to do something does limit > there ability to do it > > Did you mean that it _doesn't_ limit their ability to do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Regulated Actions

2019-06-14 Thread Jason Cobb
> Telling someone that they aren’t allowed to do something does limit there ability to do it Did you mean that it _doesn't_ limit their ability to do it? Jason Cobb On 6/15/19 12:25 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: I think you’re misunderstanding what the word “limit” means (or at least what it’s

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Regulated Actions

2019-06-14 Thread Aris Merchant
I think you’re misunderstanding what the word “limit” means (or at least what it’s intended to mean, which may be different from what we’ll interpret it to mean). Telling someone that they aren’t allowed to do something does limit there ability to do it, it only limits the permissibility of doing

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 7:44 PM James Cook wrote: > Could you elabourate? Even if we should pretend zombies are assets, it's > not always true that an asset's owner CAN transfer it. E.g. if I had blots > and auctioned them off, I don't think anything would allow me to transfer > them to the

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Would such a section become precedent just as the normal part of a > judgment would, or would it be purely informational? I'd say it shouldn't need to be a separate section at all. If the comment is unavailing, then sure, tack on an sentence

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread Rebecca
Yes, I am convinced that you are absolutely right. I guess nobody has any zombies then. On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:51 PM Rebecca wrote: > Oh sorry, I missed the key "if" in there > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 12:44 PM James Cook wrote: > >> Could you elabourate? Even if we should pretend zombies

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread Rebecca
Oh sorry, I missed the key "if" in there On Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 12:44 PM James Cook wrote: > Could you elabourate? Even if we should pretend zombies are assets, it's > not always true that an asset's owner CAN transfer it. E.g. if I had blots > and auctioned them off, I don't think anything would

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread James Cook
Could you elabourate? Even if we should pretend zombies are assets, it's not always true that an asset's owner CAN transfer it. E.g. if I had blots and auctioned them off, I don't think anything would allow me to transfer them to the winner of the auction. On Fri., Jun. 14, 2019, 22:17 Rebecca,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread James Cook
Your message to the discussion list said 8, but on agora-business I see "Anyway I bid 7 coins on the ongoing zombie auction". On Fri., Jun. 14, 2019, 22:13 Rebecca, wrote: > Coe I bid eight coins so I should win the third zombie > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 12:09 PM James Cook wrote: > > > The

DIS: [idea] Agora owning Blots

2019-06-14 Thread Jason Cobb
[As with most things, I have no idea if this has been tried or suggested before.] Seeing the recent issue with the Ritual and how no individual person could be assigned blame for the failure got me wondering if it would be a viable to instead assign Blots to Agora as a whole for violations

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread Rebecca
Unlike the argument about blogs, this argument stretches annoying textual ism beyond its breaking point. To transfer in this context means to change from the ownership of one entity to anothwr. So the auctioneer CAN transfer the switch: from agora to the auction winners. On Sat, 15 Jun 2019,

DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread Rebecca
Coe I bid eight coins so I should win the third zombie On Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 12:09 PM James Cook wrote: > The zombie auction I initiated 2019-06-06 has ended. > > Lots: > 1. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > 2. Corona > 3. Hālian > 4. Tarhalindur > > Bids (all times UTC): > 2019-06-07 17:01:

DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

2019-06-14 Thread James Cook
Warning: I don't think paying Agora for one's prize will cause that zombie's Master switch to be flipped to the payer, and I plan to call a CFJ about it once someone tries to claim their zombie (easier to phrase the CFJ after that's happened). (I think the winners are still obligated to pay for

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Would such a section become precedent just as the normal part of a judgment would, or would it be purely informational? Jason Cobb On 6/14/19 9:54 PM, James Cook wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 01:13, omd wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:58 PM James Cook wrote: Requiring notice and comment

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-14 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 01:13, omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:58 PM James Cook wrote: > > Requiring notice and comment would make it a bit more complicated and > > time-consuming to judge a CFJ, which might not make sense for simple > > ones. > > Well, most simple cases shouldn't have any

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3735 assigned to Falsifian

2019-06-14 Thread James Cook
Proto-judgement: This message contains my judgement of CFJ 3735, called by Baron von Vaderham, with the stament: "There was only one valid bid, namely for 1 coin by CuddleBeam." Caller's arguments == > Trigon bid 2 Mexican pesos. > Mexican pesos are coins. > Valid currency for

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:58 PM James Cook wrote: > Requiring notice and comment would make it a bit more complicated and > time-consuming to judge a CFJ, which might not make sense for simple > ones. Well, most simple cases shouldn't have any comments submitted, and in that case my design would

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

2019-06-14 Thread James Cook
Requiring notice and comment would make it a bit more complicated and time-consuming to judge a CFJ, which might not make sense for simple ones. How about this: * The judge assigned to a CFJ CAN publish a draft judgement, and is ENCOURAGED to do so for difficult cases. * Publishing a draft

Re: DIS: report reward fixes

2019-06-14 Thread Aris Merchant
Good find! Yes, it is. That proposal would have accidentally required that the report only be counted if it fulfilled all of the weekly or monthly duties of an office; this phrasing avoids that problem. -Aris On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:51 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Is this substantially different

Re: DIS: report reward fixes

2019-06-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Is this substantially different in any way from Proposal 8162 [0], which failed by a large margin [1]? (Found it while I was looking through past proposals, as one does). The circumstances probably are different now, though. [0]:

Re: DIS: report reward fixes

2019-06-14 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 11:42 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > Amend Rule 2496 (Rewards) by replacing: > Publishing a duty-fulfilling report: > with: > Publishing a duty-fulfilling official report: So this would now read * Publishing a duty-fulfilling official report: 5 coins. For

DIS: report reward fixes

2019-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
I think this covers stuff w.r.t the report Rewards issue - comments? Proto-proposal "Report Rewards", AI-2: [First prevent Contracts from defining offices, then limit rewards to official reports (which are pretty well-defined)]. Amend Rule 1006 (Offices) by prepending the following text to the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction

2019-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
ANOTHER UNOFFICIAL JUDICIAL CUSTOM (boy we've got a lot of these - good to note these if we make judicial changes it might be nice to simply define the ideas in the rules). When you have a single issue that has several separate sub-questions, you can call multiple CFJs in one message and request

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction

2019-06-14 Thread Rebecca
Words take their ordinary meaning when not defined by the rules. Coins are defined by the rules as "the official currency of Agora tracked by the Treasuror" under rule 2483 "Coins". A currency is "a class of asset defined as such by its backing document". A backing document is a rule or Contract.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction

2019-06-14 Thread Aris Merchant
It isn’t conditioned on anything, so it should be fine. BTW, you’re sending email to two lists. You should probably try to send it to the one list that’s most appropriate for the contents of the email. -Aris On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM David Seeber wrote: > Ah, I see, my mistake. > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction

2019-06-14 Thread David Seeber
Ah, I see, my mistake. Well I guess I'll just wait then :) I assume the first CFJ was still valid? From: agora-business on behalf of Aris Merchant Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 7:32:43 AM To: Agora Business Subject: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction You can’t

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction

2019-06-14 Thread David Seeber
I cfj the following : "There was only one valid bid, namely for 1 coin by CuddleBeam." Argument against : Trigon bid 2 Mexican pesos. Mexican pesos are coins. Valid currency for this auctions is coins Since Trigon bid two coins, and nowhere was it stated that the only legal tender was an