DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8458
On 6/22/20 10:03 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: >> ID Author(s)AITitle >> --- >> 8458e Aris 1.0 Welcome Package Patch > CoE (if one applies here). The chamber of this proposal was not set by > announcement. It's an ordinary proposal, not economic. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > I'm wrong here, missed that the chamber was set in the original proposal. (Forgot you could do that). -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Emergency] Mass Destruction
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:33 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > But you're not PM... For now.
DIS: Re: BUS: [Emergency] Mass Destruction
On 6/22/20 11:31 PM, omd via agora-business wrote:
> I intend, with 3 Agoran Consent, to enact the following Emergency Regulation:
> {
> This Regulation continuously destroys all Blots.
> }
But you're not PM...
--
Jason Cobb
DIS: Re: BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE
On 6/22/20 9:51 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to > become vacant. > > -- > Jason Cobb > Also for the record, Jason et al is trying to do this to seize PM and Speaker. R. Lee and I's scam doesn't use PM power and leaves G. as Speaker. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
DIS: Re: BUS: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE
On 6/22/20 10:05 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 02:51, Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: >> I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to >> become vacant. > I object. nch is demonstrating behaviour we should all aspire to as > Agorans. A true leader! (Or is there some way the scam could involve > the office of PM?) > > - Falsifian There is a way, which I will refrain from using unless this intent is likely to resolve. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Why did PAoaM fail?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 00:15, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > It's generally agreed that the PAoaM economic model didn't work out. Unlike > the shinies economy, which is generally agreed to have suffered from > unpredictable boom bust cycles that were more annoying than anything else, > I don't know any consensus about why it failed. And unlike Politics, which > was IMO an excellent system that failed almost entirely due to simple > disinterest, in PAoaM's case I think there was a problem in the economy > itself. What was the problem? Why did PAoaM fail? > > I'm thinking about future possible economies, which I may discuss further > on the Discord. Nothing near term (we have sets right now), just things we > can transition to when we get bored of this economic model. Not knowing why > PAoaM failed makes it hard to avoid the same fate. > > -Aris What's PAoaM? I'm looking forward to nch's Economics thesis, if e is still working on it! - Falsifian
DIS: Re: BUS: certifying
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 7:41 PM nch via agora-business wrote: > > On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > > I certify the proposal titled "Welcome Package Patch" > > > > I am Treasuror; this is a bug that relates directly to my office. > > > > -- > > Trigon > > > > I LOVE SPAGHETTI > > transfer Jason one coin > > nch was here > > I hereby > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > don't... trust... the dragon... > > Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this > > I point my finger at Trigon for Uncertain Certification. This patch has > a secondary purpose of stopping a scam, which means its sole function is > not bugfixing. Also, it introduces a bug. You're mixing up our purposes here. The sole purpose is to fix the bug. The sole purpose of fixing the bug is to stop the scam. Also, proposals that introduce new bugs can still be certifiable. -Aris
Re: DIS: [DracoLotto Administrator] Draft Lottery Resolution
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 00:50, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > [Here's my draft resolution for the DracoLotto. Please look it over > and let me know if you see any errors.] I skimmed it and didn't notice any errors. The Treasuror going through the public version is likely our best double-check that everything went right, for better or worse. - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 21:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/2020 1:55 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > > agora-discussion wrote: > >> On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > >>> On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > >>> wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > I can do that without objection > I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth > >>> > >>> Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional > >>> discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede > >>> normal play... > >>> > >> > >> For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, > >> locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. > > > > My concern exactly. > > It's a place that a critical mass of agorans are currently hanging out so > as long as that's true, it should be advertised somehow regularly to be > open/welcoming to newcomers. Maybe at the top of the Newspaper, I dunno. > Whether than makes it worth a buried mention in the Registrar's report > alongside the nearly entirely defunct IRC channel is more of a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, > tho having the IRC listed while we're all over on discord pretty much > confirms our fuddy-duddy nature... Added it to the Registrar weekly (as Foreign asterisk) https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/weekly/fresh.txt I'll mention it in the Reportor summary for last week too. - Falsifian
DIS: Re: BUS: Vote on P8442
On 6/22/20 10:01 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: > On 2020-06-22 19:44, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote: >> I do not register, as I am already a player. >> >> I withdraw any vote I may or may not have cast on Proposal 8442. I vote FOR >> on Proposal 8442. > Thank you for not testing this with stuff I track. > Yeah, only the stuff I track -.- -- Jason Cobb
DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Anonymity Busting
On 6/22/20 9:55 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: > I create this following proposal (I also certify it, why not) > > Title: Fist of Law > AI: 3 > Create a power 3 rule with the text "Unless e has revealed eir identity by > the time this rule is enacted, the player who controls the email address " > unspecified.behav...@gmail.com" is deregistered and is forever barred from > registration or participation in the public forums, other rules > notwithstanding. > I think it would be setting a really bad precedent to even consider legislating a ban of a person participating in the fora. -- Jason Cobb
DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Anonymity Busting
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 6:55 PM Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: > > I create this following proposal (I also certify it, why not) > > Title: Fist of Law > AI: 3 > Create a power 3 rule with the text "Unless e has revealed eir identity by > the time this rule is enacted, the player who controls the email address " > unspecified.behav...@gmail.com" is deregistered and is forever barred from > registration or participation in the public forums, other rules > notwithstanding. This seems... a bit harsh? Can we not punish people for an innocent test? -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Anonymity Busting
On 6/22/20 8:57 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 9:55 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: >> I create this following proposal (I also certify it, why not) >> >> Title: Fist of Law >> AI: 3 >> Create a power 3 rule with the text "Unless e has revealed eir identity by >> the time this rule is enacted, the player who controls the email address " >> unspecified.behav...@gmail.com" is deregistered and is forever barred from >> registration or participation in the public forums, other rules >> notwithstanding. >> > This lacks closed quotation marks and is questionably risky. > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth " -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
DIS: [Pledge] Re: BUS: Vote on P8442
On 6/22/20 9:50 PM, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote: > I pledge to reveal my identity after any CFJ depending on it has been > judged. > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:45 PM Unspecified Behavior via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I do not register, as I am already a player. >> >> I withdraw any vote I may or may not have cast on Proposal 8442. I vote FOR >> on Proposal 8442. >> Signalling for the Notary: Deal with as you will. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Anonymity Busting
On 6/22/20 9:55 PM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote: > I create this following proposal (I also certify it, why not) > > Title: Fist of Law > AI: 3 > Create a power 3 rule with the text "Unless e has revealed eir identity by > the time this rule is enacted, the player who controls the email address " > unspecified.behav...@gmail.com" is deregistered and is forever barred from > registration or participation in the public forums, other rules > notwithstanding. > This lacks closed quotation marks and is questionably risky. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Draft Forward Auction Regulation(s)
On 6/22/20 9:53 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:
> On 2020-06-22 17:48, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/22/20 7:38 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> 3. TERMINATION:
>>> * If there have been no bids placed on a Forward Auction for four
>>> days, then that Forward Auction ends and becomes closed.
>>
>> *sigh*
>
> That's embarrassing.
>
> Notice of Honour: {
> Trigon sux
> Jason roolz
> }
>
Could you resend this in the more standard format just to avoid
unnecessary paperwork? I'll process it either way, but it'd just be nice
for us all.
--
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: BUS: Vote on P8442
On 6/22/20 9:50 PM, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote: > I pledge to reveal my identity after any CFJ depending on it has been > judged. > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:45 PM Unspecified Behavior via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I do not register, as I am already a player. >> >> I withdraw any vote I may or may not have cast on Proposal 8442. I vote FOR >> on Proposal 8442. >> I'm considering a Notice of Honor or fine via Official Justice here, but I think that may add to the confusion. This may be Aris, but I also think it could be an accomplice. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: BUS: Vote on P8442
we all agree this is aris right On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:46 AM nch via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 6/22/20 8:44 PM, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote: > > I do not register, as I am already a player. > > > > I withdraw any vote I may or may not have cast on Proposal 8442. I vote > FOR > > on Proposal 8442. > > I strongly disfavor any CFJs that relate to this. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > > -- >From R. Lee
DIS: [DracoLotto Administrator] Draft Lottery Resolution
[Here's my draft resolution for the DracoLotto. Please look it over and let me know if you see any errors.] INTRODUCTION Welcome, one and all, to the DracoLotto! Thank you to all our contributors! The lottery will begin shortly. I, Aris, am your Lottery Administrator! Firstly, though, I would like to assure you of the randomness of this lottery. For randomization, I used the random.choice() function from Python 2.7.16 running on MacOSX. I passed this function an array containing player names as strings, where the multiplicity of each such string was equal to that player's contribution to the relevant pool. I repeated this procedure a number of times equal to the number of products to be distributed. [ Further note on randomization: Given that this is a draft, I should explain how I intend to maintain randomization if there are any errors. If there is an error in contribution values, I will redo the randomization for the relevant section from scratch. If contribution values are correct, and I attempted to distribute too many products for a pool, I will remove some choices from the end of the list; if I attempted to distribute too few, I will add to the end. ] PART 0: OPENING FORMALITIES The pools are closed. The House Pool is currently empty. The Voting Pool contains 5 Voting Cards. The Justice Pool contains 4 Justice Cards. The Victory Pool contains 3 Victory Cards. The Legislative Pool contains 5 Legislative Cards. Contribution values for each pool are in the next section. PART 1: THE LOTTERY CHAPTER 1: VOTING POOL RESOLUTION Voting Pool Contributions PlayerContribution - TOTAL 5 Aris 1 R. Lee2 nch 1 Falsifian 1 I resolve the Voting Pool as follows: 0. The Voting Pool contains 5 Voting Cards. 1. I take 5 Voting Cards from the DracoLotto. 2. I pay 4 Voting Cards as a set, receiving 10 Extra Votes, which are now in the Voting Pool. I pay 1 Voting Card as a set, receiving 1 Extra Vote, which is now in the Voting Pool. 3. M is 1. 4. I transfer 11 Extra Votes, which are in the Voting Pool, to the DracoLotto. 5. For each person X in the following list, in order and allowing repeats, I transfer 1 Extra Vote from the DracoLotto to X: Aris, R. Lee, R. Lee, nch, Falsifian. Each of the Extra Votes I transferred was removed from the Voting Pool. The Voting Pool now contains 6 Extra Votes. 6. 1 (M) Extra Vote is transferred from the Voting Pool to the House Pool. The Voting Pool now contains 5 Extra Votes. The House Pool now contains 1 Extra Vote. 7. I randomly chose R. Lee, nch, R. Lee, Aris, and R. Lee. For each person X in the proceeding list, in order and allowing repeats, I transfer 1 Extra Vote from the DracoLotto to X. Each of the Extra Votes I transferred was removed from the Voting Pool. The Voting Pool is now empty. The Voting Pool has been resolved. CHAPTER 2: JUSTICE POOL RESOLUTION Justice Pool Contributions PlayerContribution - TOTAL 4 Aris 1 Falsifian 1 Jason 1 R. Lee1 I resolve the Justice Pool as follows: 0. The Justice Pool contains 4 Justice Cards. 1. I take 4 Justice Cards from the DracoLotto. 2. I pay 4 Justice Cards as a set, receiving 10 Blot-B-Gones, which are now in the Justice Pool. 3. M is 1. 4. I transfer 10 Blot-B-Gones, which are in the Justice Pool, to the DracoLotto. 5. For each person X in the following list, in order and allowing repeats, I transfer 1 Blot-B-Gone from the DracoLotto to X: Aris, Falsifian, Jason, R. Lee. Each of the Blot-B-Gones I transferred was removed from the Justice Pool. The Justice Pool now contains 6 Blot-B-Gones. 6. 1 (M) Blot-B-Gone is transferred from the Justice Pool to the House Pool. The Justice Pool now contains 5 Blot-B-Gones. The House Pool now contains 1 Extra Vote and 1 Blot-B-Gone. 7. I randomly chose Aris, Aris, Falsifian, Jason, and Jason. For each person X in the proceeding list, in order and allowing repeats, I transfer 1 Blot-B-Gone from the DracoLotto to X. Each of the Blot-B-Gones I transferred was removed from the Justice Pool. The Justice Pool is now empty. The Justice Pool has been resolved. CHAPTER 3: VICTORY POOL RESOLUTION Victory Pool Contributions PlayerContribution - TOTAL 3 Aris 1 Falsifian 1 Jason 1 I resolve the Victory Pool as follows: 0. The Victory Pool contains 4 Victory Cards. 1. I take 3 Victory Cards from the DracoLotto. 2. I pay 3 Victory Cards as a set, receiving 6 Victory Points, which are now in the Victory Pool. 3. M is 1. 4. I transfer 6 Victory Points, which are in the Victory Pool, to the DracoLotto. 5. For each person X in the following list, in order and allowing repeats, I transfer 1 Victory Point from the DracoLotto to X: Aris, Falsifian, Jason. Each of the Victory Points I transferred was removed from the Victory
Re: DIS: Why did PAoaM fail?
On 6/22/2020 5:14 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > It's generally agreed that the PAoaM economic model didn't work out. Unlike > the shinies economy, which is generally agreed to have suffered from > unpredictable boom bust cycles that were more annoying than anything else, > I don't know any consensus about why it failed. And unlike Politics, which > was IMO an excellent system that failed almost entirely due to simple > disinterest, in PAoaM's case I think there was a problem in the economy > itself. What was the problem? Why did PAoaM fail? First, I wouldn't call it a fail - it was a lot of fun while it ran. I think it was on the verge of hitting that sweet-spot in engine building games where things are humming along and everyone's competitively producing and enjoying it even if some people are producing faster. But it had a fatal link in having no end goal. We kept saying "we'll figure out where it's all going" but didn't quite. The only way we made a goal was for it to pay out coins (is that when we added the coin win?), but when coin factories got going it was a big unbalanced positive feedback loop. Then that was corrected hard (by removing coin factories), leaving no real goal. And that was just kind of when we said "eh we've been tweaking this too long, time to give up." Also, um, I kinda remember the auction rules being problematic? Someone should have fixed those. I'm trying to remember if we had an oversupply of paper - I genuinely don't remember ever feeling short when it came to pending. There really were quite a few good bits. > I'm thinking about future possible economies, which I may discuss further > on the Discord. Nothing near term (we have sets right now), just things we > can transition to when we get bored of this economic model. Not knowing why > PAoaM failed makes it hard to avoid the same fate. > > -Aris >
Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Draft Forward Auction Regulation(s)
On 6/22/20 6:38 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > * The auctioneer of a Forward Auction CAN and SHALL in a timely >fashion after the ending of that Forward Auction create a public >message that contains a full history of bids on the auction and >withdrawals from the auction. In the same message, e CAN and SHALL >transfer each awardee eir lots/create the lots in their possession. Probably want to wait until they pay before giving them the award. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
DIS: Why did PAoaM fail?
It's generally agreed that the PAoaM economic model didn't work out. Unlike the shinies economy, which is generally agreed to have suffered from unpredictable boom bust cycles that were more annoying than anything else, I don't know any consensus about why it failed. And unlike Politics, which was IMO an excellent system that failed almost entirely due to simple disinterest, in PAoaM's case I think there was a problem in the economy itself. What was the problem? Why did PAoaM fail? I'm thinking about future possible economies, which I may discuss further on the Discord. Nothing near term (we have sets right now), just things we can transition to when we get bored of this economic model. Not knowing why PAoaM failed makes it hard to avoid the same fate. -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora
On 6/22/2020 3:47 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/22/20 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >> agora-official wrote: >>> SILVER QUILLS >>> Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07), G. (2019) >>> >>> WOODEN GAVELS >>> Falsifian >>> >>> >> >> For G. and Falsifian's awards, I believe you need to be tracking the >> proposals/CFJs for which they received them. >> >> -Aris >> > > That seems to be correct, so I have added it to the future reports. I've > also gone ahead and added it to ais523's 2016 one because while I don't > think it's required, I think it's good to have. Thanks for catching this > before it's too hard! > Alexis's is: *76293 Do Things (Major voting system reform/repeal) adopted Apr 7 2014 here (includes full text): https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2014-April/032776.html
Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Draft Forward Auction Regulation(s)
On 6/22/20 7:38 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > 2. BIDDING: > * Players CAN place a bid on an open Forward Auction by specifying an > amount of the auction's currency as eir bid not equal to the bid of > another player. This should probably be "by announcement" or have some other requirement for it to be done publicly. > 3. TERMINATION: > * If there have been no bids placed on a Forward Auction for four > days, then that Forward Auction ends and becomes closed. *sigh* > * There are a number of awardees equal to the number of lots. The > first lot of an auction goes to the first awardee, the second lot > to the second awardee, etc. > * The Nth awardee is the non-withdrawn player whose most recent bid > is the Nth greatest. > * The auctioneer of a Forward Auction CAN and SHALL in a timely > fashion after the ending of that Forward Auction create a public > message that contains a full history of bids on the auction and > withdrawals from the auction. In the same message, e CAN and SHALL > transfer each awardee eir lots/create the lots in their possession. > You don't need to enable the creation of a public message. -- Jason Cobb
DIS: [Treasuror] Draft Forward Auction Regulation(s)
As Treasuror it is my job to promulguate regulations for different kinds of auctions. Here is my implementation of a Forward Auction. Tell me what you think. 1. INITIATION: * The auctioneer CAN begin a forward auction by creating a public message specifying a list of lots to be auctioned off and one currency, and the fact that this auction will be a Forward Auction. The Forward Auction is initially open. 2. BIDDING: * Players CAN place a bid on an open Forward Auction by specifying an amount of the auction's currency as eir bid not equal to the bid of another player. * Players CAN withdraw from an auction by announcement. 3. TERMINATION: * If there have been no bids placed on a Forward Auction for four days, then that Forward Auction ends and becomes closed. * There are a number of awardees equal to the number of lots. The first lot of an auction goes to the first awardee, the second lot to the second awardee, etc. * The Nth awardee is the non-withdrawn player whose most recent bid is the Nth greatest. * The auctioneer of a Forward Auction CAN and SHALL in a timely fashion after the ending of that Forward Auction create a public message that contains a full history of bids on the auction and withdrawals from the auction. In the same message, e CAN and SHALL transfer each awardee eir lots/create the lots in their possession. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
DIS: Re: [attn Treasuror] Re: BUS: [Contract] Agoran officer monetizes signature
I just realized you are the Treasuror. No need to flag you. im dumb lol On 6/22/2020 6:42 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote: On 2020-06-22 16:37, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I join SEAMSTRESS, transfer 3 coins to SEAMSTRESS, and specify the text "I LOVE SPAGHETTI" I approve this signature suggestion, transferring 3 coins to myself. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora
On 6/22/20 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-official wrote: >> SILVER QUILLS >> Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07), G. (2019) >> >> WOODEN GAVELS >> Falsifian >> >> > > For G. and Falsifian's awards, I believe you need to be tracking the > proposals/CFJs for which they received them. > > -Aris > That seems to be correct, so I have added it to the future reports. I've also gone ahead and added it to ais523's 2016 one because while I don't think it's required, I think it's good to have. Thanks for catching this before it's too hard! -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official wrote: > SILVER QUILLS > Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07), G. (2019) > > WOODEN GAVELS > Falsifian > > For G. and Falsifian's awards, I believe you need to be tracking the proposals/CFJs for which they received them. -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/2020 3:07 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 3:01 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:58 PM Jason Cobb wrote: >>> >>> On 6/22/20 5:10 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) >>> >>> >>> That is still running, so that's feasible. As for a bridge, you'd have >>> to ask Aris about that. >> >> Uhhh... The short answer is no. The long answer is, if we have an >> experienced python programer with an indeterminate but probably very >> large amount of spare time, maybe? > > Uhhh... Apparently I'm just plain wrong. The answer is actually yes. > > Specifically, it may be trivially easy to bridge to IRC. So if someone > bridges Discord to IRC, we can then bridge IRC to the MUD and relay > Discord stuff through there. Probably. Here are the docs. [1] Don't > hurt me if I turn out to be completely wrong. new method: "send via 3 fora" (new office: the MitM)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 6:07 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 3:01 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:58 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> >>> On 6/22/20 5:10 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) >>> >>> >>> That is still running, so that's feasible. As for a bridge, you'd have >>> to ask Aris about that. >> >> Uhhh... The short answer is no. The long answer is, if we have an >> experienced python programer with an indeterminate but probably very >> large amount of spare time, maybe? > > Uhhh... Apparently I'm just plain wrong. The answer is actually yes. > > Specifically, it may be trivially easy to bridge to IRC. So if someone > bridges Discord to IRC, we can then bridge IRC to the MUD and relay > Discord stuff through there. Probably. Here are the docs. [1] Don't > hurt me if I turn out to be completely wrong. > > Incidentally, it would be helpful to have someone working on the MUD > who actually knows how to do Python. > > [1] https://github.com/evennia/evennia/blob/master/docs/source/IRC.md > > -Aris > I'm not great with but passable at Python, so I can try to help. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 3:01 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:58 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 6/22/20 5:10 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's > > > MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) > > > > > > That is still running, so that's feasible. As for a bridge, you'd have > > to ask Aris about that. > > Uhhh... The short answer is no. The long answer is, if we have an > experienced python programer with an indeterminate but probably very > large amount of spare time, maybe? Uhhh... Apparently I'm just plain wrong. The answer is actually yes. Specifically, it may be trivially easy to bridge to IRC. So if someone bridges Discord to IRC, we can then bridge IRC to the MUD and relay Discord stuff through there. Probably. Here are the docs. [1] Don't hurt me if I turn out to be completely wrong. Incidentally, it would be helpful to have someone working on the MUD who actually knows how to do Python. [1] https://github.com/evennia/evennia/blob/master/docs/source/IRC.md -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:58 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/22/20 5:10 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's > > MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) > > > That is still running, so that's feasible. As for a bridge, you'd have > to ask Aris about that. Uhhh... The short answer is no. The long answer is, if we have an experienced python programer with an indeterminate but probably very large amount of spare time, maybe? -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 5:10 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's > MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) That is still running, so that's feasible. As for a bridge, you'd have to ask Aris about that. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 5:33 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> This makes sense, but I think the solution to this is to try to >> establish some sort of bridge or create some way for people to access it >> without an account. > I like the bridge idea too, but I'm not entirely sure on the specifics > of how to implement it yet. Someone with more server experience might > have a better idea. I could look into this in my infinite free time. -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 4:28 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: >> This is meant to give us back that ephemeral chat. And it already has, >> frankly. In the discord right now is 9 established players, 1 observer, >> and 1 new player. We've done a lot of collaboration on the github pages. >> Nothing these permanent archives would miss, I promise. Things like >> asking each other git technical questions and rapid feedback. Also, >> we've told jokes and talked about side topics and generally goofed >> around in an incredibly refreshing way that has no place on a mailing list. >> >> And every time anyone in the server wanted to say something longer >> winded, they've sent it to the mailing lists. Because that's what >> mailing lists are good at. Having two tools with two different strengths >> makes us stronger than using one tool to do everything. >> >> Again, I shy away from proprietary. But it shouldn't be binary, it >> should be a continuum. Discord fills a slot nothing us is filling for us >> right now. It has a (in my personal opinion) good TOS and good revenue >> plan, ones which are mostly kind to the user. If we find something that >> performs a similar roll to it in the future but is open source, I'm all >> for killing it for that. > This makes sense, but I think the solution to this is to try to > establish some sort of bridge or create some way for people to access it > without an account. I like the bridge idea too, but I'm not entirely sure on the specifics of how to implement it yet. Someone with more server experience might have a better idea. >> I don't think we should turn away a good enough tool because it's not >> perfect. That slowly kills us and alienates us. The fact that I've seen >> 3 people show up and then disappear in the last few weeks, two of which >> explicitly complaining about the avalanche of emails and uncertainty >> about where they can ask questions, should be proof of that. > If you're correct about the usage of this, only one of those problems > will be solved. I think we should think about ways to better deal with > the avalanche on top of this solution. I agree that we should look for other solutions. But I do think this will help both sides. There's definitely been some discussion on the fora that would be better in chat, simply because we didn't have the option of chat (or we did, but nobody used it regularly enough for it to be practical). So it should help a little bit, and it's something we were able to do right away. The Help pages I put up today are intended to assist both these problems too. Not by decreasing message volume, but by giving advice on how to manage message volume. There's definitely more brainstorming to do on this front though. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 5:31 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > Same. They both have the initials JC. Maybe we're just the same person... -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/2020 5:16 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/22/20 5:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/22/20 5:11 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) - Falsifian Er, sorry, Jason. (I shouldn't try to write emails while distracted.) - Falsifian This has happened a good bit in real life, but I never expected it to follow me to Agora :). I'm always very concerned that I'll mess up Falsifian and Jason because the two initial "J" names are easily confused for me. Same. They both have the initials JC. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 5:18 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:55 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >> agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I can do that without objection > I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede normal play... >>> For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, >>> locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. >> My concern exactly. >> >> - Falsifian > > Trust me, I have spent my entire life using linux and working for non > profits, I don't like proprietary. I understand the wariness against > Embrace, Extend, Extinguish [1] strategies. But the concern about > lock-in for this seems overblown. We had the extremely ephemeral irc. > Nobody backed up the conversations there to some archive, and nobody > cares because it was specifically meant for conversations that aren't > meant to last. That's an objection I have as well, and I've investigated good archiving options, but they don't really exist and I have questions about the ethics of it, but that ship has sailed. > > This is meant to give us back that ephemeral chat. And it already has, > frankly. In the discord right now is 9 established players, 1 observer, > and 1 new player. We've done a lot of collaboration on the github pages. > Nothing these permanent archives would miss, I promise. Things like > asking each other git technical questions and rapid feedback. Also, > we've told jokes and talked about side topics and generally goofed > around in an incredibly refreshing way that has no place on a mailing list. > > And every time anyone in the server wanted to say something longer > winded, they've sent it to the mailing lists. Because that's what > mailing lists are good at. Having two tools with two different strengths > makes us stronger than using one tool to do everything. > > Again, I shy away from proprietary. But it shouldn't be binary, it > should be a continuum. Discord fills a slot nothing us is filling for us > right now. It has a (in my personal opinion) good TOS and good revenue > plan, ones which are mostly kind to the user. If we find something that > performs a similar roll to it in the future but is open source, I'm all > for killing it for that. This makes sense, but I think the solution to this is to try to establish some sort of bridge or create some way for people to access it without an account. > > I don't think we should turn away a good enough tool because it's not > perfect. That slowly kills us and alienates us. The fact that I've seen > 3 people show up and then disappear in the last few weeks, two of which > explicitly complaining about the avalanche of emails and uncertainty > about where they can ask questions, should be proof of that. If you're correct about the usage of this, only one of those problems will be solved. I think we should think about ways to better deal with the avalanche on top of this solution. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 3:55 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion >>> wrote: On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I can do that without objection I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth >>> Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional >>> discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede >>> normal play... >>> >> For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, >> locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. > My concern exactly. > > - Falsifian Trust me, I have spent my entire life using linux and working for non profits, I don't like proprietary. I understand the wariness against Embrace, Extend, Extinguish [1] strategies. But the concern about lock-in for this seems overblown. We had the extremely ephemeral irc. Nobody backed up the conversations there to some archive, and nobody cares because it was specifically meant for conversations that aren't meant to last. This is meant to give us back that ephemeral chat. And it already has, frankly. In the discord right now is 9 established players, 1 observer, and 1 new player. We've done a lot of collaboration on the github pages. Nothing these permanent archives would miss, I promise. Things like asking each other git technical questions and rapid feedback. Also, we've told jokes and talked about side topics and generally goofed around in an incredibly refreshing way that has no place on a mailing list. And every time anyone in the server wanted to say something longer winded, they've sent it to the mailing lists. Because that's what mailing lists are good at. Having two tools with two different strengths makes us stronger than using one tool to do everything. Again, I shy away from proprietary. But it shouldn't be binary, it should be a continuum. Discord fills a slot nothing us is filling for us right now. It has a (in my personal opinion) good TOS and good revenue plan, ones which are mostly kind to the user. If we find something that performs a similar roll to it in the future but is open source, I'm all for killing it for that. I don't think we should turn away a good enough tool because it's not perfect. That slowly kills us and alienates us. The fact that I've seen 3 people show up and then disappear in the last few weeks, two of which explicitly complaining about the avalanche of emails and uncertainty about where they can ask questions, should be proof of that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 5:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 5:11 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's >>> MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) >>> >>> - Falsifian >> Er, sorry, Jason. (I shouldn't try to write emails while distracted.) >> >> - Falsifian > > > This has happened a good bit in real life, but I never expected it to > follow me to Agora :). > I'm always very concerned that I'll mess up Falsifian and Jason because the two initial "J" names are easily confused for me. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/2020 1:55 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion >>> wrote: On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I can do that without objection I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth >>> >>> Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional >>> discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede >>> normal play... >>> >> >> For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, >> locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. > > My concern exactly. It's a place that a critical mass of agorans are currently hanging out so as long as that's true, it should be advertised somehow regularly to be open/welcoming to newcomers. Maybe at the top of the Newspaper, I dunno. Whether than makes it worth a buried mention in the Registrar's report alongside the nearly entirely defunct IRC channel is more of a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, tho having the IRC listed while we're all over on discord pretty much confirms our fuddy-duddy nature...
DIS: Re: BAK: Testing
On 6/22/20 5:13 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > 1... 2... 3... Testing... > > -Aris > ___ > Agora mailing list > ag...@listserver.tue.nl > https://listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora > Uh oh ... -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 5:11 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's >> MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) >> >> - Falsifian > Er, sorry, Jason. (I shouldn't try to write emails while distracted.) > > - Falsifian This has happened a good bit in real life, but I never expected it to follow me to Agora :). -- Jason Cobb
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
> I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's > MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) > > - Falsifian Er, sorry, Jason. (I shouldn't try to write emails while distracted.) - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 21:05, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 5:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:55 PM James Cook via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > >> agora-discussion wrote: > >>> On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > >> I can do that without objection > > I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. > > > > -- > > > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth > > Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional > discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede > normal play... > > >>> > >>> For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, > >>> locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. > >> > >> My concern exactly. > > > > Would you two be less concerned if there were an IRC-Discord bridge? > > > > -Aris > > > > I would be less concerned but still somewhat concerned. If that were set > up, I'd still want to ensure that the official designation were given to > the general location and not specifically the Discord interface for it. Same. Personally I feel a little guilty asking for someone to go to the effort, though, since I don't expect to use it a lot. I do think it's nice R. Lee went to the effort already to set up a discussion channel people (apparently) are more likely to use than IRC. I still think it would be nice to have a party in Aris's and Jacob's MUD some time : ) (Could *that* be bridged to IRC/Discord?) - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 5:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:55 PM James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >> agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I can do that without objection > I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede normal play... >>> >>> For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, >>> locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. >> >> My concern exactly. > > Would you two be less concerned if there were an IRC-Discord bridge? > > -Aris > I would be less concerned but still somewhat concerned. If that were set up, I'd still want to ensure that the official designation were given to the general location and not specifically the Discord interface for it. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:55 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via > agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > > > wrote: > > >> On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > >>> I can do that without objection > > >> I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > > >> Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth > > > > > > Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional > > > discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede > > > normal play... > > > > > > > For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, > > locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. > > My concern exactly. Would you two be less concerned if there were an IRC-Discord bridge? -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 20:53, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > >>> I can do that without objection > >> I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > >> Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth > > > > Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional > > discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede > > normal play... > > > > For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, > locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. My concern exactly. - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 4:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> I can do that without objection >> I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. >> >> -- >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate >> Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth > > Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional > discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede > normal play... > For me, I am concerned that it could normalize the use of a proprietary, locked-in platform as an official place of discussion. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/2020 1:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I can do that without objection > > I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. There's a weird, edge-case, legal precedent (that I won't bother to look for, it just rings a bell) that discussion fora are actually *less* communicative than non-fora. The argument is specific for cases where something is done by "informing/submitting to the [officer]" (e.g. Cantus Cygneus). The idea being that in the DF, it's a general open optional forum with no expectation that an officer see what's posted there, even if e posts there regularly (I mean, I regularly skim/skip stuff here - we all do). But if you meet the officer in a random place online and tell em, it could create the assumption/evidence more strongly that e'd been "informed", especially if the medium supports directed saved personal messaging and so forth. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 3:00 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I can do that without objection > I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. > > -- > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate > Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth Can I ask what detriment you feel there is to having an extra optional discussion forum? We already have the irc and it doesn't seem to impede normal play... -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
On 6/22/20 3:50 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I can do that without objection I can save everyone time by saying that I will object. -- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth
[ATTN: Maintainers] Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Header Changes
On 6/22/20 1:29 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > I intend to make two changes to the Header and one change to the > homepage repo. I don't anticipate either of them being controversial, > but I'm announcing this intent here just in case someone has significant > objections. > > First, I want to change the header to: > > Agora | Rules | \Help/| \Offices/ | \Archives/ > > The ones with \/ will be drop downs just like the Archives currently are. > > Second, I want to move the coat of arms from the agoranomic repo to the > Header repo. This won't actually change how the homepage looks, but > should let me include the coat of arms as a favicon on each page more > easily. And also will make it easy to update if we get a new flag/symbol. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > These changes have been implemented and rolled out to the homepage and help pages. If you maintain a repo you need to update its headers. If you use the terminal git tool, you can do so with these steps: from the base directory of the repository, run "git submodule init" then move to the base of the submodule (/whatever/Header). run "git fetch" and then "git merge" If that says something about fastforwarding, skip to the last step. If it says "No current branch" then run "git checkout master" Finally go back to the base directory of your office's repository. Run "git status" there should be a change that says "modified: Header (new commits)". run "git commit -am "update headers"" and finally "git push". Lmk if you have any issues. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: How to keep up
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 03:16, Zyborg Mao via agora-discussion wrote: > I just signed up and already have 50+ messages. I'm not sure how to deal > with this. Any hints/tips? You could see if my weekly summaries help: https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reportor/tree/master/weekly_summaries Not a complete solution (especially since they're delayed) but this is one of the reasons I started writing them. - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Put the discord on the agora home page
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:12 PM Rebecca via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > See title > > > > Also all should join it, it has been a fun and very active atmosphere, > > although too small. On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 03:17, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > https://discord.gg/FwmJW8 You might consider trying to switch the Publicity of that forum from Foreign to Discussion (R478). As Registrar I can do that without objection, but I have mixed feelings about endorsing a proprietary service. I would rather see it done by proposal (and I'm not sure how I'd vote). - Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: is this too morbid?
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:00 PM ATMunn via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I feel like I vaguely recall this being discussed at some point > > previously, but I thought I would go for it anyways. > > > > I initiate a Call for Judgement on the following statement: "If a player > > dies unbeknownst to all persons involved in Agora, e is still a person." > > > > Rule 869 states that > >Any organism that is generally capable of freely originating and > >communicating independent thoughts and ideas is a person. Rules to > >the contrary notwithstanding, no other entities are persons. > > > > If someone dies, e is no longer capable of freely originating and > > communicating independent thoughts and ideas; therefore, e is not a > > person. FALSE. > > > > ...but if nobody knows that e died, then e has to still be a person. We > > can't assume without proof that anyone is dead and declare em not a > > person. So PARADOXICAL? Maybe? > > > > -- > > ATMunn > > friendly neighborhood notary here :) On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 02:05, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3411 Past discussions: It came up in the discussion thread "The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)" in Jan-Feb. Maye start at https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2020-January/056441.html >From that thread, this Oct 2018 thread "What if a player dies?" was linked, with the comment that discussion petered out with no conclusion: https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg45140.html - Falsifian
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Header Changes
sounds good to me On 6/22/2020 11:37 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > I support this as well. > > On 6/22/2020 2:30 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/20 2:29 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> I intend to make two changes to the Header and one change to the >>> homepage repo. I don't anticipate either of them being controversial, >>> but I'm announcing this intent here just in case someone has significant >>> objections. >>> >>> First, I want to change the header to: >>> >>> Agora | Rules | \Help/| \Offices/ | \Archives/ >>> >>> The ones with \/ will be drop downs just like the Archives currently are. >>> >>> Second, I want to move the coat of arms from the agoranomic repo to the >>> Header repo. This won't actually change how the homepage looks, but >>> should let me include the coat of arms as a favicon on each page more >>> easily. And also will make it easy to update if we get a new flag/symbol. >>> >> >> I support. >> >
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Header Changes
I support this as well. On 6/22/2020 2:30 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/22/20 2:29 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: I intend to make two changes to the Header and one change to the homepage repo. I don't anticipate either of them being controversial, but I'm announcing this intent here just in case someone has significant objections. First, I want to change the header to: Agora | Rules | \Help/| \Offices/ | \Archives/ The ones with \/ will be drop downs just like the Archives currently are. Second, I want to move the coat of arms from the agoranomic repo to the Header repo. This won't actually change how the homepage looks, but should let me include the coat of arms as a favicon on each page more easily. And also will make it easy to update if we get a new flag/symbol. I support. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Header Changes
On 6/22/20 2:29 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > I intend to make two changes to the Header and one change to the > homepage repo. I don't anticipate either of them being controversial, > but I'm announcing this intent here just in case someone has significant > objections. > > First, I want to change the header to: > > Agora | Rules | \Help/| \Offices/ | \Archives/ > > The ones with \/ will be drop downs just like the Archives currently are. > > Second, I want to move the coat of arms from the agoranomic repo to the > Header repo. This won't actually change how the homepage looks, but > should let me include the coat of arms as a favicon on each page more > easily. And also will make it easy to update if we get a new flag/symbol. > I support. -- Jason Cobb
DIS: [Webmastor] Header Changes
I intend to make two changes to the Header and one change to the homepage repo. I don't anticipate either of them being controversial, but I'm announcing this intent here just in case someone has significant objections. First, I want to change the header to: Agora | Rules | \Help/| \Offices/ | \Archives/ The ones with \/ will be drop downs just like the Archives currently are. Second, I want to move the coat of arms from the agoranomic repo to the Header repo. This won't actually change how the homepage looks, but should let me include the coat of arms as a favicon on each page more easily. And also will make it easy to update if we get a new flag/symbol. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror, Cuddlebeam] Doubloons
Note to Treasuror: having seen the Notary's list of tentative members of this contract, I think there's significant ambiguity in this calculation and "all" does not communicate the quantity. On 6/21/2020 6:21 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I believe there are 7 parties to the plundership, which means i would have > 500/7=71 doubloons. > > However many I have, I transfer all of my doubloons to the plundership in > exchange for coins >
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.
On 6/22/20 11:31 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/20 11:22 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/2020 9:14 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan >>> to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since >>> it's supplemental, but would appreciate any feedback. >>> >>> https://agoranomic.org/Help/ >> Good start! First comment is it would be good to separate quickstart - >> technical (setup, fora definitions and mailing lists) from quickstart - >> play (what a "welcome package" is, how to engage, etc). >> > Right now I'm avoiding ephemeral play because I don't want to put up > anything that's likely to change quickly. I may look into having a page > for it tho. > > -- > nch > Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager > > I somewhat changed my mind on this and added some very general play tips to the Quickstart page. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (weekly report)
On 6/22/2020 10:29 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/2020 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/22/2020 10:16 AM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: >>> >>> "The Plunder Partnership" (revision 4) >>> Parties: Cuddlebeam, P.S.S.[1], Jason, R. Lee, Falsifian, Aris, ATMunn >>> [Note: currently somewhat disputed. See [2] and thread, as well as [3].] >> >> CoE: even with the disputed note, I should be a (potential, pending CFJ) >> member. >> > > if that is the case, shouldn't nch and Bögtil also be? I dunno, not my job to track :). I just know that I attempted to join so figured it was better to list the maximum possible list not the minimum. > (also NttPF, if you meant it as an actual CoE.) Nah not important it was more "I don't know if I'm off the list because of the cfj or because my join message was missed in the first place". You've answered that tho. Also just as heads-up, it might take another day or so to judge, but as mentioned in a proto-judgement, the judgement that's half-written is that the original PP contract was fine and everyone who originally joined did in fact join. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (weekly report)
On 6/22/2020 1:21 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/22/2020 10:16 AM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: "The Plunder Partnership" (revision 4) Parties: Cuddlebeam, P.S.S.[1], Jason, R. Lee, Falsifian, Aris, ATMunn [Note: currently somewhat disputed. See [2] and thread, as well as [3].] CoE: even with the disputed note, I should be a (potential, pending CFJ) member. if that is the case, shouldn't nch and Bögtil also be? (also NttPF, if you meant it as an actual CoE.) -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (weekly report)
On 6/22/2020 10:16 AM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote: > > "The Plunder Partnership" (revision 4) > Parties: Cuddlebeam, P.S.S.[1], Jason, R. Lee, Falsifian, Aris, ATMunn > [Note: currently somewhat disputed. See [2] and thread, as well as [3].] CoE: even with the disputed note, I should be a (potential, pending CFJ) member.
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.
On 6/22/2020 9:33 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/22/2020 12:14 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan >> to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since >> it's supplemental, but would appreciate any feedback. >> >> https://agoranomic.org/Help/ >> > I always understood the P in NttPF and TTttPF to stand for "public," not > "proper. I could be wrong though. > Yah, public. Kind of has to be "public", because the abbreviation has to mean "I'm not just quoting the forwarded message below, I'm sending it with the knowledge that it's going public and the intent that it have an effect". Otherwise it doesn't count as indicating an intent to do the actions. -G.
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.
I always understood the P in NttPF and TTttPF to stand for "public," not "proper. I could be wrong though. On 6/22/2020 12:14 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since it's supplemental, but would appreciate any feedback. https://agoranomic.org/Help/ -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary here :)
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.
On 6/22/20 11:22 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 6/22/2020 9:14 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan >> to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since >> it's supplemental, but would appreciate any feedback. >> >> https://agoranomic.org/Help/ > Good start! First comment is it would be good to separate quickstart - > technical (setup, fora definitions and mailing lists) from quickstart - > play (what a "welcome package" is, how to engage, etc). > Right now I'm avoiding ephemeral play because I don't want to put up anything that's likely to change quickly. I may look into having a page for it tho. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.
On 6/22/2020 9:14 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan > to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since > it's supplemental, but would appreciate any feedback. > > https://agoranomic.org/Help/ Good start! First comment is it would be good to separate quickstart - technical (setup, fora definitions and mailing lists) from quickstart - play (what a "welcome package" is, how to engage, etc).
DIS: [Webmastor] Help pages now online.
There is now a section of the website with Help for new players. I plan to keep this as something the Webmastor unilaterally maintains since it's supplemental, but would appreciate any feedback. https://agoranomic.org/Help/ -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] DEFINITELY NOT TRIGON
On 6/21/2020 8:15 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > As Trigon points out, my message's subject might be more properly "BUS: > TRIGON" rather than "TRIGON". CFJ 3459 suggests we accept the evidence of a message's sender in terms of what the subject line was when it was sent: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3459 though I don't know who would count as the sender for the "message" in this case...
DIS: DracoLotto Update
I tried to produce a draft resolution of the lottery today, but reconciling the accounts took a lot longer than expected. I should have a draft out tomorrow, barring unforeseen circumstances. -Aris
