Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3793 Assigned to Alexis

2020-02-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/8/2020 2:07 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 16:21, Kerim Aydin via agora-official > wrote: >> >> The below CFJ is 3793. I assign it to Alexis. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3793 >> >> ===

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolutions of Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/24/2020 10:40 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > This time to the official forum: It doesn't matter in this case I think, but be careful of forwarding something from BUS to OFF - the way I'd interpret precedents it would count as (attempting) to do it twice (which should simply

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3810 Assigned to Jason

2020-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:26 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Rule 478/37 states that 'To "publish" or "announce" something is to send > a public message whose body contains that thing'. Because of this > definition, it is generally IMPOSSIBLE to act on behalf of another > person to "publish" information,

Re: DIS: Master/Mistress, gender inclusivity

2020-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:33 PM Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > > I was reading the ruleset and found that Master is a masculine noun. > > Mistress is the feminine version. A quick google search of the definition > > of master brought up this too: > > > > noun > > 1. a man who has people working for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3810 Assigned to Jason

2020-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:01 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 14:40, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:26 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > > > Rule 478/37 states that 'To "publish" or "announce" something is to send > > > a public message whose body contains that thing'.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8342-8348

2020-02-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/28/2020 5:38 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> 8348* Gaelan 3.1 Summaries Matter > > FOR, I guess, although I'm slightly concerned about it making it easier > for ratification to fail. I'm still grappling with this one a bit - Gaelan can you give me an

Re: [attn G.] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2020-03-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/1/2020 7:54 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> I thought about that possibility, because R2160 includes this >> provision, which seems to prevent any deputisation where other rules >> of any power prohibit the same action from the

Re: [attn G.] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

2020-03-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/1/2020 11:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 3/1/2020 7:54 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> I thought about that possibility, because R2160 includes this >>> provision, which seems to prevent any deputisation where other rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Warranty

2020-01-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/19/2020 7:09 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > The vast majority of thesis publications I’ve seen are either legal or > historical. If anything, this is exactly the sort of thing that shouldn’t > qualify for a J.N. IMO, it’s about public policy, not rule interpretation. To me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 3:45 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:39 PM Tanner Swett wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 04:41 Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >>> I think this would cause: >>> - A big and spreading fog of war of CfJ DISMISS, because its >> "undecidable" >>> and "insufficient information

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Monday, March 2, 2020, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > G. wrote: > > Well, we purposefully error-trapped switches, which suggests that we > allow > > that sort of thing if the rules are explicit about it happening: > > > > > If a type of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 8:11 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > On Monday, March 2, 2020, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 08:23 Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >>> But yeah, even if it is tradition, I'm not against just going contrary to >>> it since all we need to do that

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3818 Assigned to Jason

2020-03-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 4:44 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 3/2/20 7:23 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3818. I assign it to Jason. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3818 >> >> === CFJ 3818 === >> >> Rance's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer pledges loyalty to the deal

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 3:50 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > CuddleBeam wrote: >> So, twg was cool to not weasel out when they had the chance to, so I will >> as well. I don’t know how to best do this aside from a Pledge, and I dont >> want to make the N too high in case he wants to use

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 2:40 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Not yet. Think I have till tomorrow? > I'm showing it as assigned Feb 19th, due Feb 26th: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2020-February/013456.html (but I'm not going to recuse you for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's toss us a coin, shall we?

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 2:25 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:34 Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> Well, we purposefully error-trapped switches, which suggests that we allow >> that sort of thing if the rules are explicit about it happening: >> > > But an indeterminate value is merely one that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3810 Assigned to Jason

2020-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:34 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > G. wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:01 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 14:40, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:26 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > > > > > Rule 478/37 states that 'To "publish" or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Dragon Corporation

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 20:50 Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> I become a party to the Dragon Corporation. On 3/2/2020 7:11 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-business wrote: > As per the contract known as "Gaelan's Really Bad At Sending Things To > The Public Forum", I act on Gaelan's behalf to perform the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clean r2493 (Regulations)

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
n styles, is quite > interesting in an Agoran context. > >> On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >> >> On 3/2/2020 12:01 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >>> alright WHO brought back regulations godd

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/20/2020 3:08 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > CFJ 3813 asks us whether Agora is a contract... Gaelan did you ever deliver this judgement I can't find anything on BUS or OFF that has it just not sure if I'm missing it. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Clean r2493 (Regulations)

2020-03-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 3/2/2020 12:01 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > alright WHO brought back regulations goddamnit who brought back top-posting is what I want to know

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8342-8348

2020-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/26/2020 7:16 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:13 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business >> wrote: >> >> AGAINST. These should not become part of precedent but should change/be >> removed with a change in officer, OR make it clear that an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8342-8348

2020-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/26/2020 6:41 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/26/20 9:12 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >>> 8345j Jason2.0 Self-punishment >> FOR. wcgw >> > > Is this a typo or just an acronym I don't know? > what could go wrong

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 4:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >>> 8298 Aris, [2]2.0 Administrative Adjudication v3 >> AGAINST. Two concerns here. (1) I have no idea what "tracked along >> with judicial cases" means in terms of practical tracking, and don't >> think it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shortening of name

2020-01-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/25/2020 7:31 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Thank you! Thank you! You have no idea how much easier this makes to fit in > the authors on a proposal distribution. > > (Please, no one respond by being contrary and expanding their Agoran name.) > > -Aris *coughs in Publius

Re: DIS: Theses in the Agoran Context: A Query

2020-01-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/25/2020 1:46 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 16:42, Alexis Hunt wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 19:11, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < >> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> When we last ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Warranty

2020-01-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/25/2020 12:23 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > if anyone has any other arguments or opinions between A.N. and B.N., I > would appreciate hearing them. If I do not, I will likely make intents for > both B.N. and A.N. and resolve the stronger one. I've seen too few comparisons

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3794 Assigned to Alexis

2020-01-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/25/2020 11:50 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 at 14:48, Kerim Aydin via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> The below CFJ is 3794. I assign it to Alexis. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3794 > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Blackjack, anyone?

2020-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/26/2020 12:50 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > Matthew Berlin wrote: >> If you publish a hash of the shoe beforehand, and the entire shoe >> afterwards for verification of the hash, you might get more takers, > > I know next to nothing about blackjack, but that sounds like

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Apathy

2020-01-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/22/2020 8:13 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 02:11, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: >> Why are we reading the date-stamping to refer to the date-stamp of the >> original message? I would think it obvious that the relevant message is the >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Apathy

2020-01-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/22/2020 8:13 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 02:11, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: >> Why are we reading the date-stamping to refer to the date-stamp of the >> original message? I would think it obvious that the relevant message is the >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3793 judged FALSE (zombies work but not for Gaelan)

2020-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/26/2020 7:38 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > Alexis wrote: >> I'm not sold on this, or on the precedent. >> >> R2125 is clear that actions can only be performed by the methods >> *explicitly* specified. It seems to me that it closes the door to methods >> of performing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3793 judged FALSE (zombies work but not for Gaelan)

2020-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/26/2020 8:59 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 11:40, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 1/26/2020 7:38 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: >>

DIS: Re: BUS: [attn: ADoP] Whither the Agoran economy?

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 4:40 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > I intend, with 2 days' notice, to temporarily deputise for the ADoP to > end the uncontested election for Treasuror, thereby installing myself. No deputisation needed if there's only 1 candidate, R2154: > If at any point

Re: DIS: Fwd: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset [July 6 2001]

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2020 2:21 AM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:36 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> I found a random old mbox in a personal archive a while back, that had >> Agoran emails from Jun - Aug 2001 (probably from a tempora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2020 9:32 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 1/29/2020 9:25 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: >> (then again, there's also this:) >> >>> Judgments in Nomic are not bound by rules of precedent, for that would >>> require a daunting amount of record-keeping for each game. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2020 9:25 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > (then again, there's also this:) > >> Judgments in Nomic are not bound by rules of precedent, for that would >> require a daunting amount of record-keeping for each game. Well, e's not wrong...

DIS: Re: BUS: And in lighter news... [DoV]

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2020 11:17 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > Having achieved a full set of 16 Ribbons, including the new Emerald > Ribbon, I Raise a Banner, causing me to win the game. Congratulations!!

Re: DIS: Some thoughts on pragmatism and accounting

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:22 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:32 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Warrigal's proposal of pragmatic validation is an interesting one, and one > > that I haven't really seen Agora use before if memory serves. The one I'm > >

Re: DIS: Some thoughts on pragmatism and accounting

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:32 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > Warrigal's proposal of pragmatic validation is an interesting one, and one > that I haven't really seen Agora use before if memory serves. The one I'm > familiar with is having actions be POSSIBLE but ILLEGAL where they

Re: DIS: Some thoughts on pragmatism and accounting

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:48 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > The officer was under a > SHALL to check all transactions, but any that got missed (after a > certain time limit) succeeded "for free". The Rule for this was reasonably self-contained and seems similar to what you're talking about, so figured

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Finite Gifting

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
awww - i'd seen that and my birthday is Feb 4th On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:36 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposal. *winces* > > -Aris > --- > Title: Finite Gifting > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: > > Amend Rule 2585, Birthday

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Finite Gifting

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2020 5:14 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: >> awww - i'd seen that and my birthday is Feb 4th > > Same, though it sounds like it wouldn't have gone unnoticed until May > anyway... > > You can still use it, though! No chance of the proposal passing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: And in lighter news... [DoV]

2020-01-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/29/2020 6:11 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 14:17, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > >> Having achieved a full set of 16 Ribbons, including the new Emerald >> Ribbon, I Raise a Banner, causing me to win the game. >> >> -twg >> > > Given that: > a) I'm genuinely uncertain about

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] [Proposal] Closing the door behind me

2020-02-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:55 AM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 18:09, James Cook wrote: > > Are we just going to let a steady stream of sufficiently dedicated > > players claim their standard victories? I say we raise the bar a > > little. > > By the way, I

Re: DIS: Degree Naming Ideas (Attn. Herald)

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 5:36 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > I had an idea for making degrees more interesting. I was thinking that > the Herald might, for instance, record twg's degree not as "A.N." (if > it ends up being an A.N.) but as "A.N. in Devious Oratory". We could > go back and

Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 8:31 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/30/20 11:20 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > >> So, this is from the era of the mysql database. The mysql database actually >> had fields like "Caller" and "Judge" as look

Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 7:27 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > During research for CFJ 3888, I discovered that there appears to have > been a bug ... somewhere in the history. > > From the (arbitrarily selected) text of CFJ 2991 in the Github backup [0]: > >>

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Drat kinda boring: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3805 On 1/30/2020 9:37 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > TTttPF > >> On Jan 30, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> >>  >> >>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Kerim

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
n’t run into > word-wrap issues) > >> On Jan 31, 2020, at 2:24 AM, omd via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> Drat kinda boring: >>> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3805 >> >> The word wrapping broke the script. >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
, `DON'T ASK ME`, > > `THE ONLY REAL ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING`, > > `A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF "I SAY I DO, THEREFORE I DO", WHICH`+ > > ` HAS PLAGUED AGORA FOR A LONG TIME`,`IF YOU SAY SO`];document. > > querySelectorAll('.hist b').forEach(x=>x.innerH

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
ument. > querySelectorAll('.hist b').forEach(x=>x.innerHTML=a[Math.floor( > Math.random()*a.length) ]) doesn’t adversely affect > eir archive. > } > > Gaelan > >> On Jan 31, 2020, at 7:42 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >> Paste

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: A quirk in the CFJ archives

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
For the record, I just sent the case assignment message, it tripped my spam filter on the return so dunno if enough people will see the assignment to make it public :) On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:46 AM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > > Notice of Honour: > +1

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 3796 Assigned to omd

2020-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 2:09 AM omd wrote: > This leaves the text as "inconsistent", and Rule 217 informs us to > augment it by the usual factors. In this case, "game custom" clearly > supports higher-power rules taking precedence over lower-power ones. > So does "common sense": the ruleset as a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:03 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 16:55, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> Proto: "Pragmatic decisions",

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Anyway, I like G.'s proposal, but why even require a reasonably >> accurate tally for it to be self-ratifying? Just require >> decision+outcome, and make the rest SHALL. > > I went back and forth on that as a possibility - I don't have a strong reason

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:23 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> I went back and forth on that as a possibility - I don't have a strong reason >> so maybe a SHALL is best - the only issue being what Alexis pointed out, that >> if we want (as

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:06 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 17:03, James Cook wrote: >> Here's a somewhat different way we could do it: >> >> * An announcement resolving a decision doesn't need to specify >> anything other than the decision --- not even the outcome.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] [Proposal] Closing the door behind me

2020-02-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Falsifian wrote: >> hope that the economy gets reset or something Also sorry: I was planning to try something hyper-inflationary on my Agoran Birthday earlier this week, to try to force the need for a reset (e.g. pledging to give back 2/3 of coins of anyone who gave me them) but it's been a heck

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3805 judged TRUE

2020-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
The Archives are now CFJ 3805 compliant.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3805 judged TRUE

2020-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:20 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:07 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > The Archives are now CFJ 3805 compliant. > > After clicking on CFJ 3805 in the archives, I have to disag

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3805 judged TRUE

2020-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/7/2020 4:31 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 23:31, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> >> I don't consider that an "adverse effect" as it preserves both the >> text and spirit of the case. ;) I hope its preservation in

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 7:49 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: A Degree of Inefficiency (AI=3) > {{{ > Amend Rule 2595 (Performing a Dependent Action) by inserting ", and did not > subsequently withdraw, " immediately after "published" in the first > paragraph. > }}} > > -Alexis >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 8:28 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 1/23/2020 7:49 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: >>> Proposal: A Degree of Inefficienc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 8:28 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > More debatable whether: > > 1. intent > 2. intent again > 3. withdraw one intent but not the other > > works, but since it refers to "an announcement of intent", the intended > interpretation is that it applies to the specific announcement, reinforced

DIS: [cotc] state of the cfj archives

2020-01-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Recently it's come up about which cases are missing from the CFJ archives. Since missing numbers are hidden on the main CFJ index page, I thought I'd share this: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/archive_status2020.htm This is a static snapshot of the tool I use to look for gaps (the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [attn: ADoP] Whither the Agoran economy?

2020-01-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > It all depends on whether "If POSSIBLE" means "If currently POSSIBLE" > or "If POSSIBLE when the requirement was created". I don't see that it's > 100% unambiguous, but your reading definitely wins on "common sense"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [attn: ADoP] Whither the Agoran economy?

2020-01-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:52 AM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: > > I'm *slightly* concerned on this because I think that deputizing for > > someone who isn't yet late is slightly rude, as the officer should be > > given discretion on when to do stuff without being

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:28 AM Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> On 1/23/2020 7:49 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: >> > Proposal: A Degree of Inefficiency (AI=3) >> > {{{ >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:35 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > Adding a withdrawal clause prevents the > initiator from changing eir mind later, which is IMO generally a good thing > as it means that people can take withdrawal at face value and not have to > remember to object anyway.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:09 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > I think my (misleading named) “too intense” scam from February of this year > might be relevant. > > The gist of that was that the rules at the time required that declarations of > intent be conspicuous and,

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Hear, ye! Hear, ye! A new Champion!

2020-01-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:24 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-official wrote: > NOW KNOW YOU that we, by the Powers granted to us under Winning the > Game, being the two thousand and forty-fourth Rule of Agora, do hereby > bestow upon G. the Patent Title of Champion; and Thanks! I'm curious what you

DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 3:26 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > omd wrote: > > However, I vaguely remember having proposed this in the past, and > > someone objecting to it. But I can't find the thread; searching for > > "scrapers", only this thread comes up. I could be misremembering. > > Is this

Re: DIS: The Very Worst Thing That Could Possibly Happen (Attn. Distributor)

2020-01-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 3:50 PM James Cook wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 15:46, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Also relevant: CFJs 3411-3412. > > I was hesitent to raise this morbid concern, but now that the subject > has been broached, are dead former players persons?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Hear, ye! Hear, ye! A new Champion!

2020-01-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:26 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 12:12, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:24 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-official > > wrote: > > > NOW KNOW YOU that w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/28/2020 8:16 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/28/20 11:12 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:47 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business >> wrote: >>> I earn 5 coins for assessing a proposal. >> You can't, because P8295 made it so the ADoP has to do

Re: DIS: The Reset Button v3

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:35 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > This is a RECOMMENDED method for resetting aspects of the game in a > fair and equitable manner following the discovery and/or exploitation > of unintended loopholes within the Rules Following twg's thesis, I'm far

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 7:47 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 15:43, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 1/30/20 10:21 AM, James Cook wrote: >>> Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My >>> understanding is that you're not publishing a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 7:21 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 14:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: >> Draft revision, since this is complicated: >> >> All of these CoEs are accepted. >> >> Revised resolutions for 8292-8307: > > Shouldn't you also say that you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Editorial Guidelines

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 3:44 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Thu., Jan. 30, 2020, 06:08 AIS523 wrote: >> I should note, though, that "in a timely fashion" is a relatively new >> phrasing. For a long time, the standard phrasing was "as soon as >> possible" (which was nonetheless defined to mean "within seven

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/18/2020 11:43 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a > player is to set that zombie's master switch to that player, and > Agora CAN transfer zombies by willing it to be done. Did I miss a new definition of

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/18/2020 11:56 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/18/20 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a >>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] State of the Bench

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:53 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > I’m happy to be an interested judge and take a heavier-than-usual load Thanks! And thanks to everyone who's volunteered so far, I'll get assignments out over the next day. > do I have to do anything specific to get out

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3815 judged TRUE (퐸퓃푔퓁풾퓈풽 풾퓃 풶 풸표표퓁 풻표퓃퓉 풾퓈 퓈퓉풾퓁퓁 퐸퓃푔퓁풾퓈풽.)

2020-02-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/20/2020 4:42 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 1:28 PM sukil wrote: > >> >> El 19/02/2020 a las 22:40, Cuddle Beam via agora-business escribió: >>> I don't find this overly obscure, because it's fairly easily readable. >>> >>> This is normal English, but in a cool font. It

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3815 judged TRUE (퐸퓃푔퓁풾퓈풽 풾퓃 풶 풸표표퓁 풻표퓃퓉 풾퓈 퓈퓉풾퓁퓁 퐸퓃푔퓁풾퓈풽.)

2020-02-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/20/2020 8:27 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: >> keep the nonstandard characters limited > > "Nonstandard"? Unicode has been around since before I was born - seems > to me your software has had plenty of time to update...  :) :) To be clear I wasn't talking

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3810 Assigned to Jason

2020-02-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/19/2020 9:33 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/19/20 10:20 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3810. I assign it to Jason. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3810 >> >> === CFJ 3810

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/20/2020 3:08 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > CFJ 3813 asks us whether Agora is a contract. As noted by the caller, CFJ > 3706 (Feb 9-14, 2019) asked a similar question. It was judged TRUE by G. > > As I see it, the questions before me are: > 1) Was CFJ 3706 judged

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] End of February zombie auction

2020-02-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/20/2020 11:35 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > I’ma go ahead and CFJ this: { Gaelan submitted a bid in the February > zombie auction, or would have done so if the auction existed. } > > Falsifan’s arguments (for the arbitor's convenience): { > Note that I am assuming here that

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/20/2020 5:49 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/20/20 7:08 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> So when R1742 was re-implemented (replacing R2520-2527), we still ended up >> with "Agora = agreement" and "contract = agreement"

Re: DIS: CFJ 3813 proto-judged FALSE

2020-02-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/20/2020 7:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/20/20 9:48 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > >> Also fun: the first clause of the 2018 proposal (8054) was: "Destroy all >> contracts". >> >> -G. > > Ouch. S

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3798 Assigned to G.

2020-02-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/8/2020 4:16 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/8/20 7:11 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> [5] https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3773 found that >> future-dated reports are inaccurate by nature (too inaccurate to be >> considered >> a report). > >

Re: DIS: [Reporter] Some questions, some thoughts, and a proposed newsletter

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 7:18 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Falsifian wrote: > >> 1b. Agora's nature as a broadcast email list seems to put limits on >> how many active players it can practically sustain. If 100 >> players were all sending interesting proposals and

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PSA: Online ruleset viewer

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 2:22 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 17:19, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business > wrote: >> On Bernie's behalf, Notice of Honour: >> -1 Gaelan (applying the CSS for eir ruleset primarily via arbitrary >>emoji. I don't know why you

Re: [attn: promotor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PSA: Online ruleset viewer

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 3:01 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > I strongly oppose this. In my view, inquiry cases should generally > *not* be the officer making the initial interpretation, at least not > preferentially. Inquiry cases are effectively the fallback appeal > mechanism, and should

Re: DIS: [Assessor] Draft resolutions of Proposals 8308-8321

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 3:21 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > PROPOSAL 8317 (Zombie trade) > FOR (5): Alexis%, Bernie, Gaelan, omd, twg& > AGAINST (6): Aris, Falsifian$, G., Jason, Rance, o > PRESENT (0): > BALLOTS: 11 > AI (F/A): 21/19 (AI=1.0) > OUTCOME: ADOPTED This one is very broken if

Re: DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 12:48 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > n Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> >> On 2/9/2020 12:25 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business >>&g

Re: DIS: Re: [proposal] Re: BUS: Redecoration

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 2:17 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: >> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >>> >>> * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon. >>> >> >> This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a >> player's

Re: [attn: promotor] Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PSA: Online ruleset viewer

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 2:59 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > Amend rule 991 by appending “All other things being equal, the Arbitor SHOULD > assign Calls for Judgement to the officer most concerned with its content.” > after the sentence "The Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such

Re: DIS: Fixing zombie auctions

2020-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/9/2020 4:51 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:41, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: >> I've been thinking for a while that zombies should be transferable >> assets. It's really simple to implement too: You just need to create a >> "control

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