Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 2:46 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > To be clear, I'd never suggest moving gameplay to a chat client. Discord > did not exist 27 years ago, and it's not that likely to exist in 27 > years. Agora needs something with the continuity of email. This would > only be discussion

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 2:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I don't think we need continuity/historicity on every card transfer, and > the only reason for some of the other reports to have timestamped > documents (e.g. Treasuror) is to have self-ratified rollback points. What do people think about a type of

Re: Archival Continuity and Discussion Accessibility (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that)

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 3:01 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/20/20 4:55 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/20/2020 2:46 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> To be clear, I'd never suggest moving gameplay to a chat client. Discord >>> did not e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Leaving or something like that

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 2:10 PM, Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion wrote: > Thus, I was in the position of "I get 20-50 emails overnight, of which I > instantly delete 99%, from a community which I almost never interact with > and which I don't even understand the basics of", and it's unfair both to >

Re: DIS: Fora and Accessibility

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 3:47 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I think there are valid criticisms of how we use email, and we could adopt > guidelines to change that, but if we started to use Discord or anything other > than IRC or email for significant amounts of discussion, I think I’d

Re: DIS: Fora and Accessibility

2020-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2020 4:00 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/20/20 5:56 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: >> I do, however, think setting up a chat client for discussion that runs >> alongside a-d would be useful for many things, such as private >> discussion of alliances, bugfixing on proposals and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Resolving Ambiguous Decisions

2020-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/27/2020 6:06 PM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > I point a finger at jason for uncertain certification. Reasonable players > may not disagree about the operation of the current wording. Which means it's an ambiguity which is covered by CP? -G.

Re: DIS: Archiving Metareports

2020-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/28/2020 7:22 AM, Ed Strange via agora-official wrote: > Success! Resending to OFF, for those who prefer it. Yay! On 6/28/2020 7:16 AM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > https://leeonlaw.blogspot.com/2020/06/adop-metareport.html Bookmarked and thanks. That black on dark brown is

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3851 judged TRUE

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/26/2020 8:49 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/19/20 8:26 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> The below CFJ is 3851. I assign it to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus. >> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3851 >> >>

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulatory Instruments draft

2020-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/25/2020 4:54 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/25/20 7:48 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/25/2020 4:40 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Auction regulations are regulations defined by this rule, all of which >>> co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalized card auctions

2020-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/28/2020 12:14 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/28/20 3:11 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: >> [Pending fees are fine and all, but only three new Legislative Cards >> per month seems a bit low. This would at least raise that to four.] > > > Officers can actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalized card auctions

2020-06-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/28/2020 12:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 6/28/2020 12:14 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:>> On 6/28/20 3:11 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:>>> [Pending fees are fine and all, but only three new Legislative Cards>>> per month seems a bit low. This would at least raise

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NoH] Unspecified Honour

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 1:34 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/23/20 3:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < >> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> >>> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: I

Re: DIS: Re: [CFJ] Re: BUS: Vote on P8442

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 11:46 AM, omd via agora-business wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:42 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business > wrote: >> If there exists no CFJ with the statement "If the person who sent the >> above message is a player, e cast a vote on Proposal 8442 in that >> message.", I initiate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [NoH] Unspecified Honour

2020-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/23/2020 1:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: >>> I publish the following Notice of Honour: >>>+1 Agora

Re: [Attn: G.] Re: Contract charities (was Re: DIS: How and Whether to Change Patch Certification)

2020-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/24/2020 8:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Bump. Here's an updated text; all I did was remove the once-per-month > restriction. G., what do you think about submitting this before nch's > and R. Lee's possible victory? I'm happy to pend it (assuming > DracoLotto worked as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fine, I destroy "Combinotron"

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 5:13 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > R. Lee wrote: > >> Once again, I intend to transfer a victory card and a legislative card from >> the L department to me, without objection. > > Right, IIRC this is just recovery from Combinotron. > >> I intend to transfer 500

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs 3831 and 3838 judged TRUE

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 5:01 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:41 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/13/2020 10:07 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 1:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 6/13/2020

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Talismans

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 4:11 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/16/20 6:59 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a player CAN, by announcement, >>> transfer the talisman for em to emself. >> Could we make this "acting as emself"? Without that,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Honor among Pirates [Attn. All "Pirates"]

2020-06-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/16/2020 1:31 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 20:17, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> I could have just let this pass and banked some MAJOR coinage but the >> long-term consequences of having people be paranoid about my contracts >> isn't worth it imo, I much prefer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:25 AM, nch wrote: > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 9:03:32 AM CDT Rebecca wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/7/2020 1:00 AM, Rebecca wrote: I personally greatly prefer Referendum (and voted for it) because it's intuitiuve. The rules need less

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3839 Assigned to nch

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 10:37 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:28:35 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> === CFJ 3839 === >> >> The game of Agora will never end. >> >>

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 12:36 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > > Remind me what an FRC is? > Fantasy Rules Committee, which is a specialty nomic (specialty in that it is limited to one core type of game play), that has been running longer than Agora (currently as a google group). Their rules are

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 10:49 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> I like FRCs, and I have really enjoyed that in the past, but I also >> think that we should try to be experimental with tournaments given the >> limited frequency with which they occur. Diplonomic seems interesting, >> and rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:55 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Just conceptually switches could be replaced with variables. Most of our > player-base probably has a passing understanding of computer variables, and > they fairly intuitively branch out into booleans, lists, integers and others. > Ok,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:05 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: >> One partial fix that can be implemented right now, without any ruleset >> changes, would be a change in the standard method for AGAINST votes aimed at >> denying side

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:45 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >> How about we just write it out? "Karma is an integer value assigned to > persons and Agora and tracked by the Herald in eir weekly report, which > self-ratifies. Karma defaults to zero." > Compare to current rules text "Karma is a

DIS: some ancient type language

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Just thought I'd share a snippet from our old, er, type inheritance system (From 2003): Rule 1011/4 (Power=2) Definition of Nomic Property A Nomic Property is any property of any entity the value of which is defined by the Rules. Other Rules may define procedures by which

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 11:15 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:10 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: >>> On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> Full credit: the version I played was writ

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 11:07 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/7/20 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Full credit: the version I played was written and GM'd by Arkady English >> (e was active in a couple nomics circa 2012, haven't heard from em in a >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3837 Judged FALSE by grok

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 11:15 AM, grok via agora-business wrote: > > COE: I ruled this CFJ "IRRELEVANT"> Urk I copied over caller's arguments twice and totally lost your actual arguments before filling in the summary - admitted.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 9:00 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 6/7/2020 8:45 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:>>> How about we just write it out? "Karma is an integer value assigned to>> persons and Agora and tracked by the Herald in eir weekly report, which>> self-ratifies. Karma defaults to zero." Just one

Re: DIS: [Proto] Judicial Diversification

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 10:35 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 01:09, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: >> This is intended to lay the groundwork for adding other types of judicial >> cases later. Thoughts? > > Do you have any examples in mind? Also, I'm curious

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 8:05 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> This one short sentence, if enacted, takes it from a trading and >> commodities pricing game to just another individual farming game. >> > Farming requires ways to autonomously gain at least 1 resource and > convert everything you can

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 7:49 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> 8441e nch, Trigon 1.0 Transmutation > AGAINST. From experience, once you add a way to get any card on your own > (even if expensive) is lessens trading. [snip] > Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Transmutation" with the text: > > A

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 8:15 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Because currently this is would be the only way to get Victory Cards, > and because everyone seemed paranoid about not being able to pend and I > proposed this as an alternative to writing a bunch of exceptions to the > system. There is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Victory auctions

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 12:39 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/10/20 2:17 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/10/2020 12:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/10/20 1:23 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> On 2020-06-10 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: on to World 1-4

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 1:05 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > indigo; and e got it because e published a thesis and earned a degree. > > On 6/10/2020 3:33 PM, Stefan Fjellander via agora-discussion wrote: >> wait how did e get the purple ribbon? Bögtil >> lol, with all the proposals flying

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8431-8441

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 8:42 AM, nch via agora-business wrote: >> 8436f Aris 2.0 Stately Officiation > AGAINST; I actually think timely should be *more* explicit, rules should > say how long time limits are. There's some things, like recuse a judge, > where it's entirely implicit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Victory auctions

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 8:45 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/10/20 11:42 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> [Submitting because Sets could be resolved at any time and I want to beat >> that clock. If there are bugs I will try to withdraw/resubmit in time]. > > > I'm waiting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Victory auctions

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 12:17 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 6/10/2020 12:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 6/10/20 1:23 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 2020-06-10 09:51, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/10/20 10:46 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Victory auctions

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 12:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/10/20 1:23 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2020-06-10 09:51, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/10/20 10:46 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via >>> agora-discussion wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 8:47 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:43 AM Rebecca wrote: >> >> Blots are about to be significantly harder to remove, and the general >> Agoran expectation is that certain crime is pretty much constant and >> usually no big deal (mainly slightly

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 11:23 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> On 6/3/2020 11:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> A player SHALL NOT cast a ballot or induce another person to do so in a >>> way primarily intended to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:20 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> And besides, we already criminalize intent. We do that by making it illegal >> to intentionally lie to mislead. > > That doesn't help much, because that one was also in large part my fault. I like the reform direction R. Lee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 9:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rebecca wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:00 AM Kerim Aydinwrote: >>> I think having the option of a 0 being a regular thing is just fine, given >> that the alternative is possibly taking wins away

Re: DIS: Re: coherent vision for Agora Nomic as an independent policing/judiciary force

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 10:13 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thursday, June 4, 2020 12:00:24 PM CDT you wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:56 PM nch wrote: >>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:49:08 AM CDT David Nicol wrote: this was Warnocked. Does anyone else feel like this kind of thing

Re: DIS: [Protos] Rule Violation Options

2020-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2020 11:43 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 18:20, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/5/2020 10:58 AM, James Cook wrote: >>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 02:47, Rebecca wrote: >>>> On Fri, Jun 5, 202

Re: DIS: [Protos] Rule Violation Options

2020-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2020 10:58 AM, James Cook wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 02:47, Rebecca wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:42 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> >>> What do y'all think of these? If there's a strong consensus for one or >>> the other, I'll only submit that one. >>> >>> -Aris >>> --- >>> Title:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] DADA Soft Repeal

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/5/2020 9:39 PM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > On Friday, 5 June 2020, 19:11:36 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: >> If a proposal does get enough votes, I think this makes the Assessor >> the one who violates the rule, when e resolves it. I guess Aris's "New >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 10:28 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> This is great! but I'm likely to vote AGAINST unless we get a >>> crime/infraction distinction and this becomes an infraction, i.e. not >>> actually against the rules. >> >> Is this something that is currently being proposed, or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 10:12 AM, ATMunn wrote: > On 6/6/2020 1:05 PM, James Cook wrote: >>> Title: Bank Robbery >>> AI: 1.0 >>> Author: ATMunn >>> Co-author(s): >>> >>> Enact a rule entitled "Heists" with the following text: >>> { >>> At any time, any player CAN, by announcement, perform a Heist. Upon >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 9:33 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:18:59 AM CDT ATMunn via agora-business wrote: >> There's absolutely no way this will pass, but I'm going to try it >> anyways. Aris, I don't remember exactly when the midweek distribution >> deadline is, but

Re: DIS: [Protos] Rule Violation Options

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 9:33 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> E.g. "Certain actions are defined as infractions - these incur penalties >> but not rule violations per se. Certain actions are defined as crimes. >> You're breaking the rules if you do those. Really, don't do those." > > That

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 10:17 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:08:48 PM CDT ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> The only other thing I'm wondering about is what class crime Robbery >> should be. I went with 3 because 2 seems too low (it is robbery after >> all), but 4 and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The dumbest idea I've ever had...?

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 11:16 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > If no one else is interested in preparing a draft for this, I’ll get to it > later this weekend. I think the conversation/proto I was misremembering was the discussion around high crimes and treason, so you're the perfect person...

Re: DIS: [Attn: Herald] Birthday Tournament Discussion

2020-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/6/2020 7:54 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> On Jun 6, 2020, at 21:51, Reuben Staley wrote: >>> >>> I believe it's time to discuss this year's Birthday Tournament. We can >> either do the FRC tournament as we have done in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8409-8430

2020-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 1:06 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > As a final point, if people think that some of my proposals were split up > and should have been merged, I'm prepared to consider pledging to give away > some of the money. I wrote proposals that I considered logically cohesive >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stately Officiation

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 9:36 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> Amend each of Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), Rule 2496 ("Rewards"), and >> Rule 2602 ("Glitter"), in that order, by changing the text >> "in an officially timely fashion" to read "in a stately fashion". This is another case (like my

Re: DIS: [Proto] Judicial Diversification

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:29 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Anyhow, I retract "Judicial Diversification", but I'd still like to > get it in before the economic changeover. Speaking as Arbitor, can we not rush this one? Lots is changing now and don't want to hurry just to save a pend. -G.

Re: DIS: [Proto] Equation (equity cases)

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/7/2020 8:42 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Here's my proto for generalized equity cases. I expect that there will > be a bunch of screaming, but it's minimalistic and leaves working out > the details of what equity means in practice to case law. Moots > provide a sufficient

Re: DIS: [Discussion] Criminal Cases

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 12:16 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > Would you like to see criminal cases decided by judges again? Why or why > not? Discussion and debate are welcome. If you're asking my preference, no (as the rules are written now), and maybe (AFTER we've actually implemented -

DIS: court restructuring - in phases

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I'm not at all convinced, at the moment, that diversification of CFJ types is the way to go for some of these types of game controversy. For equity cases, what about trying Notary-run mediation instead of court cases? The 2008-12 era of equity was through the courts. One thing is that, at the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer opens a humble agoran occult shop

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 9:47 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Monday, June 8, 2020 10:27:52 AM CDT Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> Any player can Purchase a Product by announcement and transferring the >> price of that Product to Cuddlebeam. Doing so creates an instance of that >> Product

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stately Officiation

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 11:35 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > I opine that the two situations are completely different. In the "WILL" > situation, the change would break composition. Lol I can be equally passionate and reasoned about WILL (mmm, wait a minute...  ok now I can) but in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stately Officiation

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 11:12 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 7:26 AM Rebecca wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 11:14 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/7/2020 9:36 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Amend each of Rule 1023 ("Agoran Time"), Rule 2496 ("Rewards"), and > Rule 2602 ("Glitter"), in

Re: DIS: [Proto] Equation (equity cases)

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 10:42 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:12 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/7/2020 8:42 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: >>> Here's my proto for generalized equity cases. I expect that there will >>> be a bunch of screaming, but it's minimalistic and leaves working out >>> the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3841 Assigned to Jason

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 3:30 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:28 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/8/2020 3:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> The statement of the CFJ referenced by the statement of this CFJ is "En >>> la declaración anterior, transferí una

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3841 Assigned to Jason

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 3:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 6/8/2020 3:30 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:28 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/8/2020 3:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: The statement of the CFJ referenced by the statement of this CFJ is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3841 Assigned to Jason

2020-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2020 3:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The statement of the CFJ referenced by the statement of this CFJ is "En > la declaración anterior, transferí una moneda a Agora." > Machine-translation by Google Translate yields "In the statement above, > I transferred a coin to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Barrel rolling

2020-06-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/9/2020 9:25 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/9/20 11:05 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> I submit the following proposal, "Barrel Rolling", AI-1: >> >> >> Create a power-1 rule, "The General

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Barrel rolling

2020-06-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/9/2020 11:21 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > I submit the following proposal, "Barrel Rolling", AI-1: >> A player CAN win the game, but it will cost em 100 barrels. > This is unusual wording for this, and it looks a lot like it would permit a > player to win the game without

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 11:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> On 6/4/2020 9:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Rebecca wrote: > On

Re: Discussion of Honor (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On the other hand, is it even a good idea to discourage > people from producing unpopular or inadvisable proposals? A proposal, is, > at the end of the day, an option, and can always be voted down. Exactly! So we're agreed that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Punishment For Nominal Crimes

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:09 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/4/2020 11:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:32 PM Aris Merchant wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >

Re: Discussion of Honor (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:13 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/3/2020 11:23 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/3/2020 11:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > A player SHALL

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 2:03 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:00 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: >>> On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: Replace the text "Rule 478" in Rule 2139, "The Registrar" with "the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 2:45 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 2:20 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 6/3/2020 2:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> Aris may have a lit

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 1:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > The player who proposed the proposal with the greatest F/A, as > defined in rule 955, Can I just comment that I think our unofficial style guide should avoid rules referring to other rules by number? (except maybe for one-off

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 1:46 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/3/20 4:44 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: >> Replace the text "Rule 478" in Rule 2139, "The Registrar" with "the >> rule entitled "Fora"". >> >> Replace the text "Rule 1789" in Rule 2139, "The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No More Numbers!

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 2:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Aris may have a little more difficulty with eir proposal because that F/A > ratio doesn't have a clever term-of-art name defined in R955 - and I just > realized it's broken anyway, because the "greatest F/A ratio" doesn't > error trap division by 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Barrel rolling

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 10:12 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tuesday, 9 June 2020, 20:16:09 GMT+1, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 6/9/2020 11:21 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> I submit the following proposal, "Bar

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 10:55 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> When an Arbitration Case is unassigned, the Head Arbitrator CAN by >> announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, flip its Arbitrator to any >> other value. The Arbitrator SHALL NOT assign an Arbitration Case to a >> person who

Re: DIS: [proto-contract] Arbitration

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 11:19 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > The Referee and judges didn't necessarily opt in to being involved in > every possible contract dispute (and it allows more flexibility than the > rules currently do). And, if we end up using contracts more, then it > allows

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Barrel rolling

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 12:17 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> In fact, I'm a little worried that associating a fee with winning the >>> game might mean you always need to pay that fee to perform that action. >>> E.g. even if you had 20 more victory cards than anyone else, R2579 would >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Barrel rolling

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 1:01 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM James Cook via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >>> In general, defining one method for doing something excludes >> "unregulated" >>> methods from working, but

DIS: Re: BUS: criminal behavior

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 3:26 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:06 PM nch wrote: >> On 6/10/20 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >>> >>> I ossify Agora. >>> >> I point my finger at G. for Faking. At least one person believed e had >> ossified Agora, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: criminal leadership

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 3:31 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:30 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> I intend to deputize for the Prime Minister to appoint myself to the >> office of Speaker. > > I was planning on waiting for the Herald to certify the win before >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 494 (Revision 1)

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 6:43 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-11 19:25, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> Not a CoE, but the CFJ stating whether my Spanish thing actually >> transferred a coin to Agora hasn't been judged yet. > > It should have been judged here: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> I submit the following proposal, "win indirection", AI-1: >> >> Amend Rule 2553 (Win by Paradox) by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Finger Pointing] Pineapples aren't people

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 3:11 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:09 PM Jason Cobb wrote: >> >> I point my finger at the H. Arbitor for failing to assign a judge to CFJ >> 1706 in a timely fashion, although I request that the H. Referee not >> punish em too harshly. >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Conferral of the Degree of Juris Doctor of Nomic upon G.

2020-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2020 9:01 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I should also note that this copy reproduces the erroneous use of > "before" in place of "after". In private discussions, G. had agreed to > this being corrected, but it is my fault that the wrong version was > sent. The erroneous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Finger Pointing] Pineapples aren't people

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 4:27 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 6/11/2020 4:05 PM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Thursday, 11 June 2020, 23:32:12 GMT+1, Kerim Aydin via agora-business >> wrote: >>> Gratuitous: >>> >>> The Pineapple Partnership was judged to be a person at the time the case >>>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Finger Pointing] Pineapples aren't people

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 3:37 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 6/11/20 6:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> Gratuitous: >> >> The Pineapple Partnership was judged to be a person at the time the case >> was assigned, and the Rules of the time made em a person [cites later]. >> So it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Finger Pointing] Pineapples aren't people

2020-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2020 4:05 PM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thursday, 11 June 2020, 23:32:12 GMT+1, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: >> Gratuitous: >> >> The Pineapple Partnership was judged to be a person at the time the case >> was assigned, and the Rules of the time made em a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins

2020-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/12/2020 9:53 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:24, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/11/20 3:29 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I submit the following proposal, "win indirection",

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: indirect wins

2020-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
2020 at 6:53 PM James Cook via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 22:24, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 6/11/2020 2:48 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> On 6/11/20 3:29 P

Re: DIS: Summoning contract idea, with a doodle

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 3:43 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > So, with coins no longer backed by wins, the only pure mechanical value I > see that they have left is to win zombie auctions to pick cards off dead > people (so that you can win "fractions" of a win and other guaranteed >

Re: DIS: Summoning contract idea, with a doodle

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 9:21 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/13/20 11:18 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> On 6/13/2020 9:13 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 6/13/20 10:01 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>>> On 6/13

Re: DIS: Talismans (hopefully) final draft

2020-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2020 11:10 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/13/20 2:07 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:01 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> The master of a player CAN act on behalf of em to perfo

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