Re: DIS: Conversation Test

2012-05-22 Thread omd
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Noé Rubinstein noe.rubinst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: I find it curious that GMail puts the insertion point at the top, but adds the .sig file at the very end.  This makes the

DIS: Re: BUS: Recusal

2012-05-25 Thread omd
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I recuse omd from CFJ 3194. Sigh. I've literally been procrastinating on that judgement since you assigned 441344 to it. Sorry.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7218-7250 (+ intent)

2012-05-29 Thread omd
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:28 AM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:01 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:44 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: [...] 7244 3   omd             Possibly fix costs PRESENT I change my vote on this to AGAINST

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7218-7250 (+ intent)

2012-05-29 Thread omd
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/28/2012 09:29 PM, omd wrote: 7246 3   omd             Adoption reassociation AGAINST Why? Because it looks like a trivial rewording to no effect, which makes me suspect a scam. Sorry, I should have added

DIS: Re: BUS: Overdue Congradulations

2012-05-29 Thread omd
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:22 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: I cause BuckyBot to announce that it intends to deputize for the Herald to award Bucky the Patent Title Champion in connection with the most recent Win by Paradox. I do believe you already received such a Patent Title:

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Full Logical Ruleset

2012-06-05 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:01 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: CoE:The last change to the ruleset was by proposal 7250, at 17:44 UTC Mon 04 Jun Context: the judgement that proposals take effect before they're resolved. As far as I can tell, those out of 7218-7246 that passed would have

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam incoming, taking cover

2012-06-08 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: I cash Dirty Work, the promise created above with the text I taunt the police, specifying 1.. C'mon, at least specify 14. Otherwise we'll never get up to 50 :)

Re: DIS: Missing Proposal

2012-06-08 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: So, I just realized the rules never took notice of proposal 6671, adopted on March 22, 2010 and affecting Rule 1367. This also means that parts of proposal 6717 were ineffective. Um... I guess so. Ugh.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agreement

2012-06-19 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: My opinion is FALSE. Since my nickname change was not posted to a public forum, nor even a forum that most Agorans subscribe to, it was not known to Agora at large, making the name Nuas Te ambiguous. (Subjectively

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's get things moving

2012-06-20 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Even if that wasn't so, my preface if I haven't already probably would have rendered the assignments to FKA441344 ineffective. Proto:  Refactor non-self-judgement (AI = 2, co-author = ais523) Amend Rule 1868 (Judge

DIS: Re: BUS: Let's get things moving

2012-06-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:26 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: I intend to, With Notice, initiate a criminal case: omd violated Rule 2143 by failing to distribute by the end of Sun. 24 June proposals in the proposal pool that were in there at the beginning of Mon. 18 June. Oh, come on! I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposals 7218-7250 (+ intent)

2012-05-28 Thread omd
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: 7234 1   omd             Notability is usually uncontroversial, but ..                   support is sometimes lacking AGAINST, the With 2 Support mechanism should be kept since controversial cases are more likely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleanup

2012-06-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I morally object to this objection, as a player can straightforwardly determine whether e is included via the algorithm {return true;}. In practice, it only applies to players who have been inactive for at least 3

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: hello world

2012-06-25 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: These days, AGAINT is treated the same as any other Rule 754 (1) typo (see Judge Zefram's arguments in CFJ 1885).  I thought we'd decided otherwise, but apparently I remembered wrong (or at least it's only ambiguous if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: new player registration and a cfj

2012-06-28 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:51 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: There used to be a rule limiting it to five per player per week, but the limit isn't really needed in practice. Two or three is perfectly fine, though. Actually, that limit still exists: An excess case is a new

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My very own friend

2012-06-29 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:00 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 19:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2012, ais523 wrote: I couldn't actually find any useful scams to use it on (although they may well come up in future, and it'll be useful then); I

DIS: Re: BUS: Pass

2012-07-04 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: I'm treating this as ineffective, on the grounds that for many users, an unreasonable amount of effort is required to determine the meaning of . You and what report? 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3239 assigned to ais523 (and a couple of other things, including a proposal)

2012-07-05 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:59 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: [When the rule was changed from being written in negatives to being written in positives, the change in part (d) seems not to have taken De Morgan's Law into account.] Actually, it's not a typo. Part (d) was changed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3239 assigned to ais523 (and a couple of other things, including a proposal)

2012-07-05 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Indeed; as it was, all the accused needed to be able to do was present an argument that what they were doing was legal, and (d) would exonerate them by virtue of them having an argument. I don't think that was a bad

Re: DIS: pool fees don't work, right?

2012-07-06 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I don't see how the power-1 Rule 2365 rules to the contrary notwithstanding...creating a proposal has a cost of 1 ruble takes precedence over the power-3 A player CAN create a proposal by announcement by virtue of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement and CFJ

2012-07-06 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Jul 6, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 3240: UNDECIDABLE I accept the caller's arguments. Ozymandias has not won the game, so neither TRUE nor FALSE is appropriate. CFJ: It

DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Victory

2012-07-06 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM, John Smith spamba...@yahoo.com wrote: Admitted. Trying again. I, Bucky, satisfy the Victory Condition of Paradox (on CfJ 3212) while also not satisfying any Losing Conditions. (This is a Victory Announcement) (You satisfied it one week after it was judged

DIS: Proto: It's really a matter of communication

2012-07-06 Thread omd
Proto: It's really a matter of communication [Even if Rule 2367 were fixed, any rule written in terms of logical statements probably can't act quite right: it should be legal to publish 'This statement is incorrect' is a messy statement or The judgement of CFJ was appropriate, but under a

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3242 (if exists) and 3243 assigned to ais523

2012-07-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Regardless of whether the message has the right form to initiate a CFJ or not (I think it might do, the effort required to decode it is not too extreme), it doesn't contain a statement (the characters that appear after

DIS: Re: BUS: We have a new office

2012-07-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 17:13 -0700, omd wrote: an attempt to perform any Agoran action is much more general than posting a message with the new ruleset. In any 'normal' nomic, you would not interpret a rule that says

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We have a new office

2012-07-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Counterarguments: Those actions are intended to be disallowed for non-players. Arguments: I intend these actions to be disallowed for ais523.

DIS: Re: BUS: We have a new office

2012-07-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 17:13 -0700, omd wrote: If that's true, then deregistering someone violates their right to participate in the fora, since it disallows the vast majority of game actions. Nonplayers don't have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: We have a new office

2012-07-09 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Second, in general, attempting to perform an Agoran action by announcement is not explicitly prohibited or regulated, thus by R101(i) persons have the right to so attempt. Specific forms are ILLEGAL (e.g. Endorsing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: OFF: [IADoP] Promotor Election

2012-07-10 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: On 11 July 2012 01:19, Noé Rubinstein noe.rubinst...@gmail.com wrote: How the hell would this not be trivially TRUE by rule 754/1? Those are full-width characters; they are certainly not the usual means we

DIS: Re: BUS: let's move on shall we?

2012-07-14 Thread omd
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proposal, Not clever anymore, AI-2 please: --- Amend Rule 869 (How to Join and Leave Agora) by appending: Initiating a frivolous judicial case on the

Re: DIS: very hash hash

2012-07-16 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: then the encoding is interpreted as if its plaintext had been published at the time the original encoding was published. i think this is too vague - what if the plaintext is I deregister?

Re: DIS: very hash hash

2012-07-16 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: The rule specifying the secret should additionally specify the encryption (I hate this word in this context, fwiw) method and the rule allowing secrets should define explicitly what sort of actions or information can

Re: DIS: very hash hash

2012-07-17 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: up until the time the recordkeepor announces its Declassification. I would just do up until the time it becomes Declassified. The Rules may specify a date or event after which a particular

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2012-07-22 Thread omd
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: CoE: The fourth paragraph of this rule consists of the text Yeah, I already self-CoEd, but sent it from my iPhone and neglected to trim the quote, so the post was moderated for containing the entire ruleset. Oops. Anyway, I

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7267 - 7269

2012-07-25 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: x7267 1.0 G. Still Crazy after all these Years x7268 3.0 G. allow secret votes http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/6/65/Engineer_jeers01.wav

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Hey, have I done this yet this week?

2012-07-29 Thread omd
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: All Recognition switches are at their default values. You're not actually required to publish this: c) Optionally, exactly one office whose holder tracks instances of that switch. That officer's report includes

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 3254-56 assigned to scshunt

2012-08-01 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: because of Rule 2166: If an asset would otherwise lack an owner, it is owned by the Lost and Found Department. I transfer a prop to scshunt for noticing this.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2012-08-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:03 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: scat ag...@lesidhetree.com *3 18 May 12 e ITYM *2

DIS: Re: BUS: Fix

2012-08-14 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: The rest of this rule notwithstanding, a promise CANNOT be cashed, directly or indirectly, as a part of the outcome of cashing that same promise. What would this solve? The promise's text could include

DIS: Re: BUS: Fix

2012-08-14 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: CFJ: { I can cash a promise named A Million Bucks. } For completeness, since this is phrased like a turtle, any reason you think this should be UNDECIDABLE as opposed to UNDETERMINED?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2012-08-14 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Why? Because it's silly.

DIS: A blatant attempt at blackmail

2012-08-14 Thread omd
H. Ambassador-At-Large ais523, it has come to my attention (because I planned it) that someone has falsely claimed to a nomic (that I started ten minutes ago) to be an ambassador of Agora. (Although the nomic's rules[1] do not attempt to define how to contact it, since such a definition might not

Re: DIS: A blatant attempt at blackmail

2012-08-14 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: H. Ambassador-At-Large ais523, it has come to my attention (because I planned it) that someone has falsely claimed to a nomic (that I started ten minutes ago) to be an ambassador of Agora. (Although the nomic's rules[1] do

Re: DIS: A blatant attempt at blackmail

2012-08-14 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:12 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Actually, thinking about this, I think it's impossible under the current rules for anyone to inform a nomic (including Agora) of anything, because the rules don't define a mechanism for doing so, and nomics are legal

Re: DIS: A blatant attempt at blackmail

2012-08-16 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: If the rules of the nomic do not provide such a forum in a manner reasonably accessible without undue effort, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the ambassador to inform the nomic - or at least not reasonably possible. I argue that it

DIS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2012-08-19 Thread omd
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET CoE: last week has been really crazy for me and i haven't updated this. will do it later.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador-At-Large] Re: Hi deepnomic!

2012-08-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: I transfer a prop to ais523 (for establishing friendly relations with deepNomic) from scshunt (for not publishing a report or distributing proposals last week). For the record, this was scshunt's only prop.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Splitting hairs

2012-08-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Out of curiosity, what would your opinion have been given the current ruleset if I'd have asked it correctly. Eg. I CFJ on the following: the CotC is currently required to assign this case to a judge. I think the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7300-7308

2012-09-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: 7306 3.0 omd Support Democracy Considered No Fun AGAINST 7307 1.0 omd unrevive lame pun 1 AGAINST. I veto this Agoran Decision. The latter veto is, by the way, my reasoning for the former proposal

Re: DIS: Test

2012-09-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:33 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: ☃ I create a promise with text ☃ and transfer it to ehird. ...and, in a separate message to avoid any question of whether this affects

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: now that chambers are back...

2012-09-10 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Well, that's quite the bug, seeing that someone could do the same thing right now with a nasty proposal... and no real AI limit there, either. Such proposals could be democratized, since people didn't like my proposal to

DIS: Re: BUS: One scam deserves another

2012-09-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I spend a ruble to increase my voting limit on the decision to adopt Proposal 7302 by 1. I spend a ruble to increase G.'s voting limit on the decision to adopt Proposal 7302 by 1. Nice.

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3268 assigned to omd

2012-09-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I have published an ATC report. scshunt, any arguments on this one?

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7309-7313

2012-09-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Arkady English arkadyenglish+ag...@gmail.com wrote: I spend a ruble To do what?

Re: DIS: Point of Inquiry

2012-09-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: I might have asked this already, but how can I reply to a bullet so that I create another sub list in the discussion archives? Thanks You should set your mailing list preferences to send individual emails (Gmail makes

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7309-7313

2012-09-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Oh crap. There's a quorum bigger bug here What bug? If the number of voters is less than 5, then a single eligible voter with a positive voting limit who didn't vote is enough to force FAILED QUORUM. Which I'd like to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7309-7313

2012-09-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:36 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:36 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I retract my objection to democratization. And support it. By the way, I meant democratization of the proposal, not the decision.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7309-7313

2012-09-26 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Oops, missed omd's vote in the next message. Informally, looks like it passes 9/1 by scshunt's interpretation of voting limits, or 6/1 by mine. I award scshunt the Patent Title Mandate of the Apathetic.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I, for one, welcome our insect overlords!

2012-09-27 Thread omd
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Playing with the nesting a bit: scshunt purports [Murphy purports [result]] But such a message would probably include enough context to make it clear that it's purporting to do something that indirectly causes the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I, for one, welcome our insect overlords!

2012-09-27 Thread omd
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If a promise when cashed is officially a message from Murphy; Then a failed promise is no message (empty text). If the condition fails, then the promise can't be cashed; but the message says the promise *is* cashed, so

DIS: Re: BUS: New Gameplay Ho!

2012-09-27 Thread omd
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Also: fun's fun, but I will also deregister if scshunt persists in these changes. Consider that an objection, as well. Oh, come on. Although I feel obliged to counter-scam (not that it's particularly likely to work,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Gameplay Ho!

2012-09-28 Thread omd
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Ah, yes. I create a slave golem named scshunt CAN deregister. G. can cause this rule to amend itself by announcement. No one Since slave golems are supposed to be repealed in the same set of actions as the creation

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Gameplay Ho!

2012-09-28 Thread omd
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Is Abraham Lincoln the name of a person? Yes it is. I'd say it's arguable - well, maybe a clearer example, since dead persons can be considered persons (but aren't in Agora), is whether Bill Clinton is the name of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7300 - 7301, 7303 - 7306, and 7308 - 7313

2012-09-29 Thread omd
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Arkady English arkadyenglish+ag...@gmail.com wrote: Huh. I appear to have sent it to Agora Official... does that count? *Puppy dog grin.* It would, but I did not receive it on that list either.

DIS: Re: derp

2012-09-29 Thread omd
I was hoping that the giant Marker Felt was just a composing artifact... On Saturday, September 29, 2012, omd wrote: This is a big mess (and not properly cleaned up) because I'm on a borrowed phone to avoid being beaten by the repeal of relevant rules. Explanation/more later. I intend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Public consultation period

2012-09-30 Thread omd
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: R106 provides a precises description of how a proposal takes effect, and is sufficiently powered to do so. Thus R106 is the rule defining the substantive aspects of the proposal: namely what it does when it takes

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Short Logical Ruleset

2012-09-30 Thread omd
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: For the record, this reflects the rule changes scshunt attempted two days ago, but not mine from yesterday. No it doesn't? Yes it does? - look at the bottom. Did I miss anything?

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Air Traffic Controller Election Results

2012-09-30 Thread omd
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:45 PM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, accepted. Don't forget to issue a humiliating public reminder.

Re: DIS: well? and just to get going

2012-10-12 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious this Morning (capitalization deliberate) how Mafia would adapt to a Nomic environment. I'd like to help with the game set-up, but not so much that I'm spoiled for the game. We tried it a while ago

Re: DIS: well? and just to get going

2012-10-12 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: The AAA also interacted with Agora. Well, even just contracts were a very Agoran form of gameplay... libertarian style?

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: well? and just to get going

2012-10-13 Thread omd
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:36 AM, FKA441344 441...@gmail.com wrote: - In this message, I caused (possibly indirectly) the repeal of rule 2380 and, at the time, it included the word 'omd'. Looking at the uses of 2380 in the public forums, I don't think they managed to clearly assign it to a rule

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3282 assigned to G.

2012-10-13 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Judge: G. g

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3282 assigned to G.

2012-10-14 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I'm still sorting it out, but I must say I wholly disagree with this bit. The Fora rule allows any player to make an announcement by sending a message via a public forum. It is a simple inference from slave golem

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7315 - 7318

2012-10-16 Thread omd
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ID: 7315 Title: Power of the Herald Author: omd AI: 1.5 Chamber: Ordinary N.b. the Promotor here missed the first line of the proposal: Amend Rule 649 (Patent Titles) by inserting this paragraph after the second: I

DIS: Fwd: Your message to agora-official awaits moderator approval

2012-10-16 Thread omd
It's been two months and a half since Taral posted here, so I'm guessing we really need to decide who is going to run the lists. Again, I volunteer; if someone else wants to do it, please reply, and I suppose we can have an informal election. -- Forwarded message -- From:

Re: DIS: So what is going on at the moment

2012-11-01 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Klaus Herrmanns kol...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, So what is currently going on in Agora? After some time spent browsing recent mail archives and CFJs I'm not quite sure whether the game is in a post-scam reorientation phase (still trying to figure out whether the

Re: DIS: So what is going on at the moment

2012-11-01 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: The scam was pretty complicated but I think most people just decided to go even quieter and wait to see if it worked. I think consensus was it didn't, at least the CFJs that said it didn't haven't been appealed. Of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: notice

2012-11-01 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I intend to cause Rule 2380 to append scshunt CAN, by announcement, cause this Rule to perform an arbitrary change to the gamestate. Do you

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3282 assigned to G.

2012-11-04 Thread omd
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Well, with no hard feelings, I intend, with two support, to appeal this judgement. ;p Nobody? Well... I guess we can get this over with.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: request to join

2012-11-05 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 5 Nov 2012, omd wrote: CFJ: I own multiple Machiavelli trading cards. I disfavor all open cases called by omd. -G. I had to try something.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3287 assigned to Antony

2012-11-11 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: Arguments: the intended interpretation (which would lead to a judgement of TRUE) was perfectly clear, well-defined, and reasonable. omd's interpretation (which led to a judgement of FALSE) is to interpret the condition

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3282a assigned to FKA441344, Roujo, Italy

2012-11-13 Thread omd
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: AFFIRM without prejudice. No arguments from either of you?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3282a assigned to FKA441344, Roujo, Italy

2012-11-14 Thread omd
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that A player can do [action] without objection translates to A golem can do [action] without objection, not simply A golem can do [action] without the objection part. I think it's reasonable to

Re: DIS: Straw polls regarding the trading card contest

2012-11-16 Thread omd
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Klaus Herrmanns kol...@yahoo.com wrote: Would it be legal to bribe people to vote in certain ways by promising them (formally or informally) a reward to be paid in trading cards? Legal and encouraged. Vote manipulation is fun.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [CotC] CFJ 3283 assigned to Antony

2012-12-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2012, Ed Murphy wrote: I intend, without objection, to deputise for the Promotor to distribute undistributed proposals. I think the office is vacant so you can just do this right out? I unfortunately

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7319–7321

2012-12-11 Thread omd
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:53 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: 7319 1.0 Ordinary G. Trading Cards FAP 7320 1.0 Ordinary scshunt Lexicon FAP 7321 2.0 Ordinary Murphy Appeal of appeals

DIS: Fwd: BUS: Getting around to things (attn: Registrar)

2012-12-17 Thread omd
TTttCF -- Forwarded message -- From: omd c.ome...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:23 PM Subject: Re: BUS: Getting around to things (attn: Registrar) To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On second

Re: DIS: Happy New Year!

2012-12-31 Thread omd
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Happy New Year, Agora! See you all on the 7th (or not) -scshunt I award myself a Pink Ribbon.

DIS: Re: BUS: We'd Rather Kill Them Off By Peaceful Means

2013-01-16 Thread omd
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: As each Slave Golem is an entity with zero Props, and zero is less than nine, each Slave Golem is a Marine under the last sentence of R2376. FOR

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7328–7332

2013-01-19 Thread omd
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: --Machiavelli, who hopes that there's a keyboard layout for Windows that makes typing em dashes easy while not impairing the typing of things that can be typed on an ordinary US keyboard In OS X it's option-shift-dash.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3283 assigned to G.

2013-01-22 Thread omd
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Arguments: Holy crap, this is an old case.

DIS: Re: BUS: Actually, looks like time to start playing again

2013-01-27 Thread omd
Gratuitous: By itself, I cause X to send a message with the same text as Y may be reasonable shorthand, but isn't there some precedent that we should take the global view and consider the shorthand unreasonable because it is being used to effectively send an infinitely long message?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Return of Wes

2013-01-29 Thread omd
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:48 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: Re: the online versions, comex's are out of date (AFAIK), but see https://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~charles/agora/ . I've updated my online version to include this link. Maybe some day I will revamp my web interface...

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] Promotor Election

2013-02-09 Thread omd
By the way, I change my name to omd.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] Promotor Election

2013-02-10 Thread omd
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: Presumably you mean I also vote for Machiavelli, as he seems to have been doing an adequate job, rather than I also vote for myself, as I seem to have been doing an adequate job. Presumably.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset

2013-02-25 Thread omd
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:53 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET It would be nice if this document contained a link to the online FLR... which apparently I never did. Oops. I thought I started doing that at some point.

Re: DIS: Second-Class Players

2013-04-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Slave golems have been used for ownership scams, criminal scams, and currency scams. Anything genuinely useful in there? It used to be possible to let partnerships (not slave golems) vote by spending assets on their

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More potential escalations.

2013-04-10 Thread omd
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:47 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Arguments: this fails due to rule 2150; a rule needs power at least 2 to define an entity as a person. Defining a rule as a golem is defining it to be a person, among other things. Arguments: As I mentioned on IRC, clearly if

DIS: Re: BUS: An old flame

2013-04-10 Thread omd
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Proposal: New Beginnings (AI=3) Generally, I was going to respond negatively, criticizing the extra complexity introduced when the latest batch of changes might finally produce a solid basis for gameplay (unlike

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7364–7395

2013-04-10 Thread omd
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: The Proposal Pool contains the following proposals: AI CHAMBER AUTHOR TITLE 1.0 Ordinary omd Plan B The above proposal is undistributed because its AI is too small for it to be effective

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