Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!
On 17/03/18 00:10, Justin du coeur wrote: As a result, I'm on the fence about getting involved with the new Akka and Play forums. I may go for it -- if the volume remains at the level of the mailing lists, it won't be too bad. But I'd be a lot less reluctant (possibly eager, even) if Discourse would fix the damned mailing list mode to respect the other settings. I'm surprised and disappointed that they haven't prioritized this... I think you don't have to look any further than Jeff Atwood's opinion of email and the people that use it to figure why it's still so broken despite all the requests over the years: https://blog.codinghorror.com/is-email-efail/ I don't know if they have fixed it, but it always used to be the case that you couldn't start new "topics" via email and you had to log in to the Discourse BUI in order to do so, so the email functionality was basically useless and you were forced to use the BUI. -- Alan Burlison -- -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ Check the FAQ: http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Johan Andrén wrote: > Sorry to hear that you dislike Discuss so much you won't be coming along > there Alan. > I gotta say -- Alan's not alone in these concerns. I'm pretty active on both Scala-Contributors and Scala-Users, and while I put up with the mailing list mode for them, I hate it with a burning passion. On the one hand, it's necessary (I've demonstrated experimentally that I don't actually follow what's going on without it), but it's such an uncritical firehose as to be borderline disease-worse-than-the-cure. As a result, I'm on the fence about getting involved with the new Akka and Play forums. I may go for it -- if the volume remains at the level of the mailing lists, it won't be too bad. But I'd be a lot less reluctant (possibly eager, even) if Discourse would fix the damned mailing list mode to respect the other settings. I'm surprised and disappointed that they haven't prioritized this... -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * >> >> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ >> Check the FAQ: >> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html >> Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!
On 16/03/18 21:56, Patrik Nordwall wrote: You can setup email notifications as described in https://discuss.lightbend.com/t/how-to-use-the-discuss-forum-as-a-mailing-list/61 If I'm understanding the warning at the bottom of that page, you'll get emails for *all* categories in Discourse, not just Akka, is that correct? As I read it, the advice on that page is "Don't use the mailing list functionality" so I'm a bit surprised to see it being recommended here. -- Alan Burlison -- -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ Check the FAQ: http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!
Thanks, Patrick. Exactly what I needed. -- Eric From: on behalf of Patrik Nordwall Reply-To: Date: Friday, March 16, 2018 at 14:57 To: Subject: Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io! Hi Eric, You can setup email notifications as described in https://discuss.lightbend.com/t/how-to-use-the-discuss-forum-as-a-mailing-list/61 /Patrik fre 16 mars 2018 kl. 22:01 skrev Eric Swenson : Konrad, Will new topics continue to be pushed to the mailing list as they are published on the discuss.akka.io web site? I have avidly followed the mailing list and use it to learn of new developments and read up on topics of interest to me. I relied on the "push" nature of the mailing list to let me know topics of interest. Having to check a web site (and remembering to do so) means, for me, that I would no longer be able to keep up-to-date with akka developments. It just requires too much effort to "follow" changes in a web site. If the mailing list will remain as a means of pushing notifications of all the threads on discuss.akka.io, and the only change is that we cannot reply to the mailing list, I'm perfectly happy with that. As long as I can click on a link on a mailing list digest entry and end up at the right place on discuss.akka.io so that I can contribute and/or read the whole discussion, that's great. Thanks. -- Eric -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ >>>>>>>>>> Check the FAQ: >>>>>>>>>> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html >>>>>>>>>> Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ >>>>>>>>>> Check the FAQ: >>>>>>>>>> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html >>>>>>>>>> Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/akka-user/lgOoHc6jE2A/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ >>>>>>>>>> Check the FAQ: >>>>>>>>>> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html >>>>>>>>>> Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!
Hi Eric, You can setup email notifications as described in https://discuss.lightbend.com/t/how-to-use-the-discuss-forum-as-a-mailing-list/61 /Patrik fre 16 mars 2018 kl. 22:01 skrev Eric Swenson : > Konrad, > > Will new topics continue to be pushed to the mailing list as they are > published on the discuss.akka.io web site? I have avidly followed the > mailing list and use it to learn of new developments and read up on topics > of interest to me. I relied on the "push" nature of the mailing list to let > me know topics of interest. Having to check a web site (and remembering to > do so) means, for me, that I would no longer be able to keep up-to-date > with akka developments. It just requires too much effort to "follow" > changes in a web site. > > If the mailing list will remain as a means of pushing notifications of all > the threads on discuss.akka.io, and the only change is that we cannot > reply to the mailing list, I'm perfectly happy with that. As long as I can > click on a link on a mailing list digest entry and end up at the right > place on discuss.akka.io so that I can contribute and/or read the whole > discussion, that's great. > > Thanks. -- Eric > > -- > > * > ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user > google-group soon. > ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by > discuss.akka.io > ** More details: > https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced > > * > >> > >> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ > >> Check the FAQ: > http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html > >> Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Akka User List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * >> >> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ >> Check the FAQ: >> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html >> Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!
Konrad, Will new topics continue to be pushed to the mailing list as they are published on the discuss.akka.io web site? I have avidly followed the mailing list and use it to learn of new developments and read up on topics of interest to me. I relied on the "push" nature of the mailing list to let me know topics of interest. Having to check a web site (and remembering to do so) means, for me, that I would no longer be able to keep up-to-date with akka developments. It just requires too much effort to "follow" changes in a web site. If the mailing list will remain as a means of pushing notifications of all the threads on discuss.akka.io, and the only change is that we cannot reply to the mailing list, I'm perfectly happy with that. As long as I can click on a link on a mailing list digest entry and end up at the right place on discuss.akka.io so that I can contribute and/or read the whole discussion, that's great. Thanks. -- Eric -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * >> >> Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ >> Check the FAQ: >> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html >> Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [akka-user][deprecated] Re: [akka-user] Announcing discuss.akka.io!
On 16/03/18 11:17, Johan Andrén wrote: Sorry to hear that you dislike Discuss so much you won't be coming along there Alan. I've tried to use it and thereby over time come to like it, but it's vile and I won't use it unless I personally have a specific question that I need an answer for - I certainly won't be following the discussions the way I do on the email list. I've learned a lot about Akka by simply reading the email list traffic but I won't use Discuss for that - sorry. What we have found is that the lack of searching and categories and easy navigation on the mailing list made users, especially newcomers, ask the same questions over and over again. We in the core Akka team spend quite some time moderating and answering questions here and we want a tool where we (and others in the community ofc) can help as many users as possible with minimum effort. We think that the categories and tags etc. in discuss will help us do that. We also hope this will help reduce some of the noise in the Gitter channels. I think the 'unsearchable email archives' is a convenient myth and that newbies will ask the same questions over and over anyway, irrespective of where they ask them. As for categories and tags - that relies on people actually using them correctly, and you have no way of ensuring that the wider community does. I've been on your end of this situation myself and we provided forums but in general technical people hated them and wouldn't use them, so they died. And the Discuss developers have already said they think email lists are an abomination and won't improve Discuss's support for them so the half-hearted and useless support for them that's there is not going to get better either. It will probably reduce your workload but not for the reason you are hoping for - if the volume of interaction plummets then sure yes, your problem will have gone :-/ In addition to that we also see synergies in bringing the Lagom and Play communities closer, this may be a bigger gain for those projects as they are to some extent built on top of Akka but it also brings benefits to the Akka community in growing it, hopefully leading to more people being able to help out and answer questions, that may previously have been lurking in the other two project mailing lists only. I think you are going to be disappointed - if people don't contribute to email lists they are even less likely to do so for forums because it takes so much more time to use a clunky web UI to do so. I don't think this will change your mind, but felt that the picture you painted was a bit unfair and I wanted to clarify that this was a move driven by us engineers. It won't, and as I said I don't expect you'll change your collective decision either because you are way too far down the line to do so. However I think it's a huge misstep - I've seen no traffic on the mailing list demanding you close it down and replace it with Discuss (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/akka-user/discuss$20%7Csort:date - oh look, a searchable archive!) but you've done so anyway. The lack of discussion (pun intended) doesn't exactly send a positive message to your community. -- Alan Burlison -- -- * ** New discussion forum: https://discuss.akka.io/ replacing akka-user google-group soon. ** This group will soon be put into read-only mode, and replaced by discuss.akka.io ** More details: https://akka.io/blog/news/2018/03/13/discuss.akka.io-announced * Read the docs: http://akka.io/docs/ Check the FAQ: http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka/current/additional/faq.html Search the archives: https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Akka User List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to akka-user+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to akka-user@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/akka-user. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.