Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-07-01 Thread Wayne Richards
Just a couple of questions and an observation or two. I've seen the 100gigabyte disk drives, you speak of, advertised as a near-line backup solution. Sounds good up front. Tape drives at 4 times the 100GB low-end drives? I wish. A good enterprise quality tape drive costs from $8,000 to

RE: Tape Drives, why?

2002-07-01 Thread C. Chan
Also Sprach Steve Follmer: I should clarify that I was quoting the article. I will forward this to the author: capital B is for Bytes lower-case b is for bits So you are saying she cited a rate 8x faster than reality. -Steve Follmer Hear me now, believe me later Yes. 1.5Gbps = 188

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
100 gigabyte hard disk is less than $200 Where? I'm not even aware of a 100G disk being sold. while the last check on high capacity tape drives turned up prices exceeding 4 times that for maybe a quarter the capacity because advertised tape capacity is compressed capacity. I think you're

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread dirkx
100 gigabyte hard disk is less than $200 while the last check on high capacity tape drives turned up prices exceeding 4 times that for maybe a quarter the capacity because advertised tape capacity is compressed capacity. I's an engineering tradeoff. But pricewise: Very true. Backups are

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Mike Delaney
On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:14:43AM -0700, Anthony A. D. Talltree wrote: 100 gigabyte hard disk is less than $200 Where? I'm not even aware of a 100G disk being sold. Seagate and IBM sell 120 GB ATA drives. Street price is around $120-140. Seagate also has a 180 GB SCSI/FC-AL disk in their

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 30 June 2002 05:26, Mike Delaney wrote: On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:14:43AM -0700, Anthony A. D. Talltree wrote: 100 gigabyte hard disk is less than $200 Where? I'm not even aware of a 100G disk being sold. Seagate and IBM sell 120 GB ATA drives. Street price is around $120-140.

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread C. Chan
Also Sprach Anthony A. D. Talltree: 100 gigabyte hard disk is less than $200 Where? I'm not even aware of a 100G disk being sold. Watch out, 1 TB is just around the corner or at least within the next 2-3 years. while the last check on high capacity tape drives turned up prices exceeding

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Ron Stanonik
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 30 June 2002 05:26, Mike Delaney wrote: Both WD(spit) and Maxtor are now selling ATA-133 320 giggers at less than 500 bucks on the street. We just made up a software raid server using Promise 20269 cards and 4 of the maxtor 160's, been up

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 30 June 2002 12:41, Ron Stanonik wrote: On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 30 June 2002 05:26, Mike Delaney wrote: Both WD(spit) and Maxtor are now selling ATA-133 320 giggers at less than 500 bucks on the street. We just made up a software raid server using Promise

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread robinsom
Michael C. Robinson ATA-100 hard drives are often the same drives as their SCSI models except for one difference, the controller on a scsi drive has additional chips that allow independent operation from the CPU. Temperature and dust seem to be the biggest problem for hard drives as well as

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
Where? I'm not even aware of a 100G disk being sold. Seagate and IBM sell 120 GB ATA drives. Street price is around $120-140. Seagate also has a 180 GB SCSI/FC-AL disk in their catalog, With all due respect, those 120 and 180 aren't 100, and since ATA disks are basically toys I wasn't even

RE: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Steve Follmer
replacement... -Steve Follmer Hear me now, believe me later -Hans and Franz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of robinsom Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tape Drives, why? Michael C. Robinson 100

RE: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread C. Chan
Also Sprach Steve Follmer: The current eWeek has an article which discusses this issue. http://www.eweek.com/print_article/0,3668,a=28513,00.asp While ATA's potential to augment or even replace tape for backup is great, products are just beginning to roll out. Vendors including Seagate

RE: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-30 Thread Steve Follmer
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:26 PM To: Steve Follmer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tape Drives, why? Also Sprach Steve Follmer: The current eWeek has an article which discusses this issue. http://www.eweek.com/print_article/0,3668,a=28513,00.asp While

Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-29 Thread robinsom
Michael C. Robinson 100 gigabyte hard disk is less than $200 while the last check on high capacity tape drives turned up prices exceeding 4 times that for maybe a quarter the capacity because advertised tape capacity is compressed capacity. Worse, tapes don't last, they have a three year

Re: Tape Drives, why?

2002-06-29 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 09:07:53PM -0700, robinsom wrote: Michael C. Robinson 100 gigabyte hard disk is less than $200 while the last check on high capacity tape drives turned up prices exceeding 4 times that for maybe a quarter the capacity because advertised tape capacity is compressed