[mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ralf
Sent: 13 April 2009 06:38
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones removed from
Android Market
You forget that Google is a US entity and as such is bound to US laws
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones removed from
Android Market
You also forget Google is not just a US entity. It has registered
companies
around the world which are not bound by US laws (such as Google UK Ltd.)
which could run
April 2009 06:38
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones removed
from
Android Market
You forget that Google is a US entity and as such is bound to US laws, such
as, for example, complying to US export limitations. If you don't
What puzzles me is that when tetris clones were pulled from apple app
store, a lot of tech related sites reported the news. However, not
even one android related site wrote a word about the android market
application removal. They only complained about the tethering apps
removal. But no word on
Anyone who is surprised by this must be very, very new to the
programming game. I've been waiting for this since the store opened.
IMHO, to the extent that the Android community becomes a proxy for
those that think All Ideas Should Be Free And Stealable, that is the
extent to which Android will
This is not legal advice. I actually am a lawyer, and these copyright
violation claims are very shaky. Basically, they have a copyright to
the exactly worded source code. So if they wrote int numTetrads =
50 and you wrote int numBlocks = 50 you would not be infringing.
You need to copy,
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Ikon ayanafr...@gmail.com wrote:
This is not legal advice. I actually am a lawyer, and these copyright
violation claims are very shaky. Basically, they have a copyright to
the exactly worded source code. So if they wrote int numTetrads =
50 and you wrote
You can never patent abstract ideas. Game ideas cannot be patented
OK, so we've established you're not a patent lawyer... :)
My favorite patent is the one for swinging sideways on a swing, which
IMO illustrates you can patent pretty much anything.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ikon
The variable example was just a small example. My point was that on
the variable rename alone is not a copyright violation, just because
it relates to the same idea. However you cannot copy someones
functions and rename the functions/vars and make it your own. This is
obviously a close call, and
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ikon ayanafr...@gmail.com wrote:
The variable example was just a small example. My point was that on
the variable rename alone is not a copyright violation, just because
it relates to the same idea. However you cannot copy someones
functions and rename the
They've lost. They will probably lose again. They need to stop trying
to make a mockery of copyrights.
On Apr 13, 3:09 pm, Sundog sunns...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, so after checking Wikipedia my memory was flawed... though there
were massive copyright fights over Tetris that dragged on for years,
OK, so after checking Wikipedia my memory was flawed... though there
were massive copyright fights over Tetris that dragged on for years,
the original author ended up making very little. But a quick scan of
the History part of the entry should convince anyone pretty quick
that they don't want to
A method can be patented. And not 'anything'
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote:
You can never patent abstract ideas. Game ideas cannot be patented
OK, so we've established you're not a patent lawyer... :)
My favorite patent is the one for swinging
Actually even method patents are in peril. See a recent case called
In Re Bilski. Even method patents must be tied to particular
physical apparatuses, or must transform some physical subject matter
into another state or thing.
On Apr 13, 3:18 pm, george_c chrisg...@gmail.com wrote:
A method
This is as wrong as wrong can be. Believe this at your economic peril.
On Apr 13, 11:39 am, Ikon ayanafr...@gmail.com wrote:
This is not legal advice. I actually am a lawyer, and these copyright
violation claims are very shaky. Basically, they have a copyright to
the exactly worded source
Again, you both might want to review a little history... in particular
the (if memory serves, pretty successful and pretty savage) fight of
the author of Tetris to protect his intellectual property over the
last 20 years or so. And as I think someone else pointed out, your
understanding of the
I find it disheartening that this discussion is even taking place. Is
this really the level of understanding of intellectual property rights
among the community?
Let's say you're Electronic Arts with Tetris and Monopoly ready for
the Android platform, as they claimed was imminent way back in
Are you unaware of the recent Scrabble issue on
the iPhone?
You are probably referring to Scrabulous on Facebook. As far as I am
aware, this also was mainly a trademark issue. Hasbro has claimed
copyright on the game itself, but of course, that doesn't really mean much.
I don't think you
Dude. Copyright does not cover ideas. The end. Piracy is defined by
what IP rights are. There is no tetris patent claim (which would cover
an idea that is tangible enough). There is a tetris copyright claim.
However, the copyright claim applies to look and feel, and a fact
finding of just how
Looks like legal teramino clones out there. Take a gander at this
excert http://everything2.com/title/The%2520Tetris%2520Company.
~clark
On Apr 13, 2:51 pm, Ikon ayanafr...@gmail.com wrote:
Dude. Copyright does not cover ideas. The end. Piracy is defined by
what IP rights are. There is
Not strictly true. They can choose to remove the material and not be
liable for copyright infringement themselves, or they can ignore the
request and become liable. In reality, most will choose the first
option.
On Apr 11, 3:23 pm, Edward Falk ed.f...@gmail.com wrote:
My understanding is:
with this and other
Intellectual Property related issues.
Al.
- Original Message -
From: Semprebon sempre...@gmail.com
To: Android Developers android-developers@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones removed from
labeled as Tetris Clones removed from
Android Market
Not strictly true. They can choose to remove the material and not be
liable for copyright infringement themselves, or they can ignore the
request and become liable. In reality, most will choose the first
option.
On Apr 11, 3:23 pm
I wrote those concerns to Google and I sent an email to the EFF. The
bottom line is that for my application to be restored on the android
market, I have to send a DMCA counter-notification. And then the
Tetris Company can sue and take the case to Court.
Yes, this is how the DMCA works. I
16:22
To: Android Developers
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones
removed from Android Market
Ideas cannot be copyrighted, only patented. But the Tetris Company
does not have a patent. And game concepts are not patentable. Take a
look
athttp://desiree47
.
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[mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Al Sutton
Sent: 08 April 2009 07:56
To: android-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones removed from
Android Market
I
On Apr 8, 12:00 am, Al Sutton a...@funkyandroid.com wrote:
Some material prepared in connection with a game may be subject to
copyright if it contains a sufficient amount of literary or pictorial
expression. For example, the text matter describing the rules of the game,
or the pictorial
I think Tetris game mechanics are copyrighted. So maybe that's the main
issue. I haven't tried your game but if it's a tetris clone, you can always
expect to be pulled out from any market.
Ivan Soto Fernandez
Web Developer
http://ivansotof.com
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:43 AM,
Ideas cannot be copyrighted, only patented. But the Tetris Company
does not have a patent. And game concepts are not patentable. Take a
look at http://desiree47.wordpress.com/ and http://abednarz.net/wp/34/
They claim a look and feel copyright claim, but the game art, sounds
and music have
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[mailto:android-develop...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tasos.Kleisas
Sent: 07 April 2009 16:22
To: Android Developers
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones removed from
Android Market
Ideas cannot be copyrighted, only patented
Having seen the demo video of your game I can see why they would
appear to have a reasonable basis for their case. You'd added some
fancy features, but the basic game play is the same right down to the
block shapes.
I don't think so. I'm no layer either, of course, but I thought the
Developers
Subject: [android-developers] Re: Apps labeled as Tetris Clones removed from
Android Market
Ideas cannot be copyrighted, only patented. But the Tetris Company does not
have a patent. And game concepts are not patentable. Take a look
athttp://desiree47.wordpress.com/andhttp://abednarz.net
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