Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-06-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 20/06/2018 09:50, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Brian, Michael: For the purpose of BRSKI the only relevant aspect of the > ANI is that it is assumed to be a system that support BRSKI and ACP, > and then the document starts to define a bunch of requirements against > BRSKI, which instead of saying

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-06-19 Thread Toerless Eckert
Brian, Michael: For the purpose of BRSKI the only relevant aspect of the ANI is that it is assumed to be a system that support BRSKI and ACP, and then the document starts to define a bunch of requirements against BRSKI, which instead of saying ANI could equally say "BRSKI devices that also support

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-06-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 20/06/2018 03:38, Michael Richardson wrote: > On 31/05/18 04:23 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> On 01/06/2018 07:31, Michael Richardson wrote: >>> >>> Toerless Eckert wrote: >>> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: >>> >> > I would prefer to have the

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-06-19 Thread Michael Richardson
On 31/05/18 04:23 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 01/06/2018 07:31, Michael Richardson wrote: Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: >> > I would prefer to have the simple definition "ANI == systems that support >> > both

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> > An RFC specifying that would therefore have to declare itself to be >> > an update of GRASP. I don't think this is a big deal. It would become >> >> I think that you mean, update of BRSKI rather than "update of GRASP". > Possibly both, because

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 01/06/2018 07:35, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > 1. The GRASP specification of 4.1.1 should only describe what is > required > > and valid for the standard of GRASP objective, which is the TCP proxy. > > > Appendix C proxy option is not full/formally

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 01/06/2018 07:31, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > >> > I would prefer to have the simple definition "ANI == systems that > support > >> > both BRSKI and ACP" in the doc itself. Threre

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: > 1. The GRASP specification of 4.1.1 should only describe what is required > and valid for the standard of GRASP objective, which is the TCP proxy. > Appendix C proxy option is not full/formally worked out, thats why > its in an appendix. If the authors

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: >> > I would prefer to have the simple definition "ANI == systems that support >> > both BRSKI and ACP" in the doc itself. Threre is really no single authoritative >> > normative

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 03:07:15PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > I would prefer to have the simple definition "ANI == systems that > support > > both BRSKI and ACP" in the doc itself. Threre is really no single > authoritative > > normative document for ANI, so it should

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 31/05/2018 13:53, Toerless Eckert wrote: > ... >> 4.1.1: >> >>> transport-proto = IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP / IPPROTO_IPV6 >> >> The way i see it, the normative approach with TCP circuit proxy would >> always only have TCP, right,

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-31 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: >> > f) IMPORTANT: Please add/define the term "ANI" >> >> > ANI - "Autonomic Network Infrastructure". Systems that support both BRSKI and >> > Autonomic Control plane - ACP ([I-D.ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane]). ANI >> > systems (pledges,

Re: [Anima] [Closed] Re: Shepherd review draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-09

2018-05-30 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 31/05/2018 13:53, Toerless Eckert wrote: > 4.1.1: > >> transport-proto = IPPROTO_TCP / IPPROTO_UDP / IPPROTO_IPV6 > > The way i see it, the normative approach with TCP circuit proxy would > always only have TCP, right, e.g.: the line should say > > transport-proto = IPPROTO_TCP ; Not