In message , Brian Nisbet wrote:
>Thank your words on this. I have no problem with occasional intemperance,
>but there is a marked difference between that and some of the repeated
>language and references that have marked some of this thread.
>
>You wish for a line to be drawn at references to
in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
> -Original Message-
> From: anti-abuse-wg On Behalf Of ox
> Sent: Wednesday 30 May 2018 13:59
> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
>
> On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:37:20 +0100
Malcolm Hutty wrote:
> Please stop. This is not helpful.
>
so, what you are saying is that I should stop sending email?
or, whatever my opinions are, has to only be helpful?
or if you say something, then it has to be accepted?
I am a human person, I have
It's also not relevant
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May 2018 13:07
> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
>
> On 30/05/2018 04:47, it was written:
> > Well, many people. let me start with myself: You claim that my
> > opinions are rubbish and you compare my op
Please stop. This is not helpful.
On 30/05/2018 13:36, ox wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:06:57 +0100
> Malcolm Hutty wrote:
>>
>> But can we please leave out accusations that your political opponents
>> abduct babies? That surely crosses the line. The trope is, at least,
>
> there are no
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:06:57 +0100
Malcolm Hutty wrote:
>
> But can we please leave out accusations that your political opponents
> abduct babies? That surely crosses the line. The trope is, at least,
there are no accusations of any kind.
and, to be more clear, nobody said anything about
On 30/05/2018 04:47, it was written:
> Well, many people. let me start with myself: You claim that my opinions
> are rubbish and you compare my opinions to those same people
> (Fox/Republicans) whom:
>
> violently take babies away from mommies - yes, at a border Americans
> grab little babies
> Il 29 maggio 2018 alle 22.00 "Ronald F. Guilmette"
> ha scritto:
> As I understand it, the binding contractual obligations which all individual
> domain name registrants have committed to include the requirment to provide
> accurate WHOIS data, with the understanding that this information will
Two parties cannot agree in a contract to take away the privacy right of
a third. Art 6 I c) only refers to obligations with regulatory power,
not private agreements.
So if a state my company is subject to makes a valid law that requiresa
certain type of processing, that is binding. If I am
Sascha, this is a very good point and the RR is probably very keen on
understanding the issues related to your point, so let us chat about it
please.
If there is a test case about this, it could be taken down to AS level,
and then in which case, the 'complainant' may have other issues as well.
On Tue, 29 May 2018 19:43:08 -0700
"Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote:
> As you personally have leveled the charge, I ask you personally Brian,
> what person, specifically, have I insulted? What person,
> specifically, has been the alleged victim of my alleged ad hominum?
>
Well, many people. let me
In message , Brian Nisbet wrote:
>We understand that you are against the application of GDPR to the ICANN Whois.
>So noted.
>
>However your language below repeatedly goes beyond what I believe is acceptable
>under the RIPE Community Code of Conduct. You are insulting people both
>in broad
In message <20180529190447.gh99...@cilantro.c4inet.net>,
"Sascha Luck [ml]" wrote:
>On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:43:03AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>>
>
>
>...
>
>Sucks when all the free stuff you've been using to make money
>gets taken away, doesn't it?
>
>LOL,
It is said that he who
In message ,
Volker Greimann wrote:
>If you buy land, there is a legal requirement to get yourself
>registered. This legal basis is sufficient grounds for data processing
>under the GDPR under Art 6 I c) ("processing is necessary for compliance
>with a legal obligation to which the
In message <5f2d3eae-bf59-4e61-b17b-bf45f3df0...@consulintel.es>,
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>Whois, as everything in the life, has good and bad things.
>
>Against: Privacy invaded. In fact, when you register a new domain and you
>associate a visible email to it, in a matter of hours, you
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:43:03AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
...
Sucks when all the free stuff you've been using to make money
gets taken away, doesn't it?
LOL,
Sascha Luck
In message <9d061c1e-2d17-48b1-fc72-3c08026bb...@key-systems.net>,
Volker Greimann wrote:
Even in those
In message <9d061c1e-2d17-48b1-fc72-3c08026bb...@key-systems.net>,
Volker Greimann wrote:
>Even in those cases, whois is but one tool that helps identify bad
>actors by means of violating privacy rights of millions.
I am compelled to point out, once again, the fundamentally demented
nature
yes, which is why the registrar information on the domain whois are 100%
accurate and all working, valid data.
and no, the resources assigned by the RR, specially the legacy, is not
at all the same thing.
look how much of a battle and uphill struggle it was to even reach consensus
on
This is another argument often raised, yet it is missing the point of
the legality of these registers. Yes, there are certain public or
non-public registers like the land register (public) or the car
registration register (non-public), but each of these are mandated by
law. If you buy land,
Volker Greimann wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> that is a common misconception, but sadly untrue.
>
> > As things stand at the moment, the interpretations of GDPR and subsequent
> > actions of some large organisations make it likely that fraud and other
> > types of malpractice, largely aimed at
15:57
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
I am so happy that you are asking this question :)
This is what causes much confusion with people, including experienced
netadmins, sysadmins and many very technicall
m. The
> >> mail server will use DNS to find them.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jordi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Mensaje original-
> >> De: anti-abuse-wg en nombre de ox
> >> Organización: ox.co.za
l-
> De: anti-abuse-wg en nombre de
> ox Organización: ox.co.za
> Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo de 2018, 15:39
> Para:
> Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email
> abuse
>
>
> Please correct me if you think I a
S to find them.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: anti-abuse-wg en nombre de ox
> Organización: ox.co.za
> Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo de 2018, 15:57
> Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
> Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR
t; > spam. Also, if you have a domain, you can see what IPs are
> > related to it for other kinds of abuses.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
> >
> >
> >
> > -Mensaje original-
> > De: anti
ail server
will use DNS to find them.
Regards,
Jordi
-Mensaje original-
De: anti-abuse-wg en nombre de ox
Organización: ox.co.za
Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo de 2018, 15:57
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
to the whois recently created email contacts.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: anti-abuse-wg en nombre de ox
> Organización: ox.co.za
> Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo de 2018, 15:39
> Para:
> Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive
nización: ox.co.za
> Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo de 2018, 14:32
> Para:
> Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
>
>
> Abuse has nothing to do with a domain name.
>
> Nobody can abuse anyone arme
a real email with humans behind, it facilitates
> > the resolution of abuse cases.
> > The balance is always difficult ...
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
>
> >
> > De: anti-abuse-wg en nombre de
> > Volker Greimann Fech
?
*From:* anti-abuse-wg on behalf of
Volker Greimann
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2018 5:20:56 PM
*To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
*Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
Apologies if I offended anyone
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 02:50:09PM +0200, Simon Forster wrote:
Would you be able to point to the section of the GDPR which states this?
Admission: I have yet to make it to the end of the 88 pages of the act without
falling asleep.
It derives (also the tenor of NOYB's filing, aiui) from
> On 29 May 2018, at 14:28, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Simon Forster wrote:
>> Publishing that data was perfectly legal pre-GDPR. It _may_ be legal post
>> GDPR. Until this is tested in court, definitives are just so much posturing.
>> And the
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Simon Forster wrote:
Law enforcement doesn't provide anti-virus tools. Law enforcement doesn't offer secure
transport services for cash and gold. Law enforcement doesn???t provide locks for front doors.
Private companies provide those services. Your
ised the resource and
> administrative lconstraints and limits law enforcement is saddled
> with
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of
> Volker Greimann Sent: Tuesday, May 29,
> 2018 4:06:18 PM To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
> Subject:
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Simon Forster wrote:
Publishing that data was perfectly legal pre-GDPR. It _may_ be legal post GDPR.
Until this is tested in court, definitives are just so much posturing. And the
argument is likely to be more nuanced anyway. If I want to register a
There is a balanced discussion to be had here but unfortunately it too quickly
dissolves into acrimonious “shouting”. Volker's email expressing one side in a
somewhat antagonistic fashion being a good example of the “shouting".
As things stand at the moment, the interpretations of GDPR and
cases.
The balance is always difficult ...
Regards,
Jordi
De: anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Volker Greimann
Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo de 2018, 13:49
Para: Suresh Ramasubramanian , "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"
Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abus
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
Apologies if I offended anyone.
However I do believe law enforcement itself should be strictly a
government function.
Volker
Am 29.05.2018 um 13:41 schrieb Michele Neylon
much so that there’s probably a faq out there on
snopes for these.
From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Michele
Neylon - Blacknight
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 5:11:20 PM
To: Volker Greimann; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects
Apologies if I offended anyone.
However I do believe law enforcement itself should be strictly a
government function.
Volker
Am 29.05.2018 um 13:41 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
Volker
I don't think your choice of language is particularly helpful or constructive.
In fact I think
*To:* anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
*Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
Wow, the level of narrowmindedness and fearmongering is high with this
one.
Crime online will likely not increase due to GDPR. It may be more
difficult to detect and take action against due to the loss
Volker
I don't think your choice of language is particularly helpful or constructive.
In fact I think you're being intentionally inflammatory.
Why don't you tone it down a little?
There's no need to use words like:
"vigilantes" or "rent-a-cops" unless you're simply trying to troll people or
Wow, the level of narrowmindedness and fearmongering is high with this one.
Crime online will likely not increase due to GDPR. It may be more
difficult to detect and take action against due to the loss of one tool
amongst many, but ultimately that tool was illegal to begin with as it
violated
alf Of ox
> Sent: Tuesday 29 May 2018 06:53
> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2018 12:13:32 -0700
> "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote:
>
> > >The EU h
018 06:53
> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2018 12:13:32 -0700
> "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote:
>
> > >The EU has truly become a world and global leader in the reclamation
&
On Mon, 28 May 2018 12:13:32 -0700
"Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote:
> >The EU has truly become a world and global leader in the reclamation
> >of individual rights and the free Internet.
> Here on this side of the pond, one usually has to turn on Fox News in
> order to be treated to this level of
ox wrote:
>Firstly I would like to comment that the multinationals and their funded trade
>groups (and their lobby orgs) shouted from the rooftops that if the GDPR came
>into effect, Internet in the EU would collapse and there would be digital doom
>and gloom.
I am not a multinational. I am
It may interest you and other members of the WG to know that cases are already
being brought:
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/max-schrems-files-first-cases-under-gdpr-against-facebook-and-google-1.3508177
Brian
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