Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-21 Thread Afkham Azeez
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Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-21 Thread Neil Custer
AM To: architecture Cc: Chiranga Alwis Subject: Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution How realistic would that be? :) well, the reality is users comes with different experience, expertise (and we need to support them) so we got, Leanness + shorter startup time at the ex

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-19 Thread Ramith Jayasinghe
How realistic would that be? :) well, the reality is users comes with different experience, expertise (and we need to support them) so we got, Leanness + shorter startup time at the expense of 'introducing a possibility for user to make a mistake'. I would rather eliminate 'room for error' that re

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-19 Thread Afkham Azeez
Then those devops should be fired! If they are proper devops people, they should have scripts for everything. On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Ramith Jayasinghe wrote: > My concern is would this become a problem when devops users forget to run > these when needed (- might lead to errors that cou

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-19 Thread Ramith Jayasinghe
My concern is would this become a problem when devops users forget to run these when needed (- might lead to errors that could have been prevented at the penalty of delay in start up sequence.). On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Afkham Azeez wrote: > No need to make the packs bloated by packing

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-19 Thread Afkham Azeez
No need to make the packs bloated by packing in all the patches & adding unnecessary overhead. With C5, leanness & performance are core requirements. On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Nandika Jayawardana wrote: > If the server startup time is the only concern, why not provide an option > for the

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-19 Thread Nandika Jayawardana
If the server startup time is the only concern, why not provide an option for the user to disable executing these tools instead. Regards Nandika On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ramith Jayasinghe wrote: > how would the user experience change due to this? > would that impose additional burden o

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-18 Thread Ramith Jayasinghe
how would the user experience change due to this? would that impose additional burden on dev ops? On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Sameera Jayasoma wrote: > +1. Yes, running them separately will improve the startup time as well. > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Afkham Azeez wrote: > >> +1

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-18 Thread Sameera Jayasoma
+1. Yes, running them separately will improve the startup time as well. On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Afkham Azeez wrote: > +1 for running these separately. > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Kishanthan Thangarajah < > kishant...@wso2.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We need to decide on how to

Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-18 Thread Afkham Azeez
+1 for running these separately. On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Kishanthan Thangarajah < kishant...@wso2.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We need to decide on how to include following tools for C5. > > 1. jar-to-bundle-convertor > 2. patching tool > > In C4, these tools were part of the distribution and

[Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product distribution

2015-10-18 Thread Kishanthan Thangarajah
Hi, We need to decide on how to include following tools for C5. 1. jar-to-bundle-convertor 2. patching tool In C4, these tools were part of the distribution and they run during the initial stages of server startup before the OSGi runtime is initialized and started. For C5, our idea is *not* to