Thank you, Jason. Well spoken.
I’ve spent many hours of my life in line at Fenway Park without a World
Series win and never got a refund.
YMMV,
-M<
On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 09:08 Brandt, Jason
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ARIN Policy Community -
To be clear, number resource issuance under the Waiting List policy was
suspended by the ARIN Board of Trustees, and then when it was resumed,
continuing issuance of IPv4 was done under the revised policy language that the
ARIN AC developed and the Board adopted. This
> On Nov 2, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Mike Burns wrote:
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> List processing without a change in rules.
Hi,
ARIN uses the ARIN Policy Development Process (The “PDP”) to produce Number
Policy that ARIN ultimately follows.
Mike,
Not really. What happened is that ARIN got wind of fraud and the Executive
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Strictly speaking, the waiting list guarantees a
“ARIN did process the request according to the rules in place. Those rules
subsequently changed and denied their eligibility. Placement on the waiting
list does not give an expectation that their listing will be processed in
accordance with the current ARIN policies.”
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Not really. What
Mike,
There is no evidence of waiting list fraud that has reached this list
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On 11/2/20 6:08 AM, Brandt, Jason via ARIN-PPML wrote:
That was time wasted that could've been spent making other arrangements,
hence they were penalized.
I'm not sure how to say this in the most diplomatic way possible, but
why not explore other options just in case? Is an org that fails to
Hi Jacob,
Thanks for you input, I will address two points.
There is no evidence of waiting list fraud that has reached this list except
for the one noted case.
We are considering the grandfathering of existing list members who should not
be besmirched as potentially fraudulent without
All,
(Seth Mattinen)
> I also find statements of "fairness" made in the policy to be in
> conflict with itself; it purports to be a "... fair, impartial, and
> technically sound" draft policy, however, later stating that it was
> proposed only because of a belief that "... some organizations
Hi all,
I just want to restate my support for the implementation of ARIN-2020-2.
Having read all the opinions, I still think the implementation of this
policy is appropriate. It's been pointed out by several people that this
whole situation was an impetus for many ARIN community members to
In the spirit of further participation, as I was only made aware of this list
in the recent months, I have reviewed the current last call policies and wanted
to voice my support for ARIN-2020-3 IPv6 Nano-Allocations. While a minor
change, I believe this is a soundly written policy which will
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 12:37:49 -0500
From: John Santos
To: arin-ppml@arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Oppose Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2
Message-ID: <7bb438ed-94fd-49af-5854-e69da42
Hello,
I support the policy. These people got on the list and behaved. A third
party defrauded the list and these people are punished as a result.
I feel their good behavior should not be punished, and the simple expedient
of grandfathering this limited population seems fair to me.
Discussions
Makes sense to me combined with the other posts, my reading and Owen’s
documented thoughts.
I’m not in favor.
Thank you to all the posters. Including the new ones. Welcome.
Warm regards,
-M<
On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 12:50 Joe Provo wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 08:50:16AM -0500, Martin
As a result of the waitlist requirements being changed without grandfathering
to those that were on it, Stratus decided to educate ourselves as to how ARIN
and their policies work. We have taken that education and in turn tried to
educate others in the community that might not be aware. We
On Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 08:50:16AM -0500, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 8:42 AM Brandt, Jason via ARIN-PPML <
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> The question for me is what, clearly, is the inequity that grandfathering
> addresses? Going through the process? Waiting on the
I thought we went through all this when the policy change was adopted. The
issues at the time, as best I understood them, were requests that exceeded the
new limit and requests from organizations that already have large allocations or
assignments. The options discussed, for both issues, was
As I have said before, I believe that the implementation of ARIN-2019-16
was fair, more precisely, I believe it was objectively fair. Nevertheless,
I think we can all acknowledge that subjectively, it never quite seems fair
when you're the one that ends up with the short end of the stick, however
But is not the real unfairness issue being able to receive more space from
the list than those that apply now?
That is the issue I have a problem with. Along with the fact that without
free pools, there is little to give out in the first place.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise
It's the time spent on the list. I waited 11 months on the list before getting
my allocation. Most of the organizations affected are likely to have spent
significant time on the list (unfortunately I do not have the exact data on
time spent waiting for affected orgs). Spending time waiting,
On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 8:42 AM Brandt, Jason via ARIN-PPML <
arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote:
> I find it hard to understand how you can believe that this is "special
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Grandfathering is a common technique that addresses inequities changes
create. Governments do it and business does it.
I find it hard to understand how you can believe that this is "special
benefits".
Organizations went through the approved process to get on the wait list to
*possibly* be assigned an address block. The policy on allocations was
changed, however the organizations did everything by the book per
I’m with you on that !!! Have a petition going somewhere ?
I oppose adoption of ARIN-2020-2 "Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from
Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16".
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J. Hellenthal
The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a
lot about
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