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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? as for repetition of trials,  that can be justified too. Especially if trials come from countries like China, which is known for their lack of regard  for human  rights or the rule of law. Or Turkey, for example where the medical advisory board just said hmm all

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? 39, I can't resist this thread iether. You compare oranges to Apples. Inactivated virus vaccenes have litterally existed for more than 200 years. Those vaccenes aren't even remotely similar to MRNA vaccenes, mainly because the virus in question is inacti

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? 39, I can't resist this thread iether. You compare oranges to Apples. Inactivated virus vaccenes have litterally existed for more than 200 years. Those vaccenes aren't even remotely similar to MRNA vaccenes, mainly because the virus in question is inacti

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @39, made my point a lot better than I was managing. Thanks. As I said earlier, a comparison of HIV and the COVID vaccine just doesn't work. They're totally opposite in function, with one trying to get your body to become a nature-made replicator and the oth

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Ok, so apparently I can't resist this thread.First: regular non-MRNA vaccines typically work by taking a version of the pathogen itself, modifying it not to be harmful, then giving it to you.  As in, there's a needle, it contains influenza or covid or whatev

Re: Pfizer or Oxford?

Re: Pfizer or Oxford? 37,  we can't know that though at this stage. That is why I was saying, with all else being equal, going for something made using established techniques seems smarter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620823/#p620823 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? And again, I don't think that parallelism necessarily works. As I said, the diseases RNA was explicitly engineered by nature to harm. The vaccines RNA was exactly the opposite. There'll be complications, for sure, but I significantly doubt its as bad as

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I was comparing how the disease and vaccene work, because there is parallelism between how the vaccene and HIV works. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620819/#p620819 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @33 Wow, so your using what a disease does to your DNA as an argument against a vaccines RNA? Sorry, that doesn't really work. HIV is explicitly designed to harm you. Its a disease, so of course any RNA it has is going to harm you to try to convert you into a re

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? As for the checks and balances, they exist for very good reasons, to stop poisons or marginally effective or unproven medications and vaccenes,  like the chinese vaccenes, sinovac, from going on the market. These vaccenes wern't developed slowly, it was an  extr

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? As for the checks and balances, they exist for very good reasons, to stop poisons or marginally effective or unproven medications and vaccenes,  like the chinese vaccenes, sinovac, from going on the market. These vaccenes wern't developed slowly, it was an  extr

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Ethin, just because the virus only modifies MRNA doesn't necesarily mean the DNA can't be modified.  Go look up the HIV virus, and how it works to perminently modify your DNA. The HIV virus uses an enzyme to translate its rna into DNA so it can infect

Re: Pfizer or Oxford?

Re: Pfizer or Oxford? To be honnest with you, I would take Fizer since I have to fly to England on Martch 28th, so it would have been better to have both doses injected into me before going, since I wouldn't have to quarantine.The only one they had here when I applied was Astraz

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I too have received an approval notice to take the vaccine. However I'm hesitant and a bit worried for now, not necessarily about longterm effects as after learning how these vaccines work from reading about them I became less worried, yet rather I'm worried

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @25In a human cell, the Nucleus which contains your DNA exports instructions as mRNA to the cytoplasm to be "read" by ribosomes, the translation mechanism of cells, which then make proteins. The read instructions of the mRNA is then eliminated by variou

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I'll probably get the MRNA, and honestly, I could care less if it has complications, considering how low they are in reality. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620785/#p620785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabah

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @25, you can't prove anything either. I'm using simple logic based on what I know of MRNA, and what I know based on actual research, not just speculation, indicates that MRNA is just an instruction manual. Given that DNA produces RNA, and MRNA is a form o

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Speaking for myself, here's my choice.If given the opportunity to take one of two vaccines, I will take whichever one I can. I literally don't care. And here's why.The chances of harm to myself from being infected by Covid-19 are reasonably high.The

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @25, you can't prove anything either. I'm using simple logic based on what I know of MRNA, and what I know based on actual research, not just speculation, indicates that MRNA has no long-term side effects, because its *just* an instruction manual. And even

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @25, you can't prove anything either. I'm using simple logic based on what I know of MRNA, and what I know based on actual research, nto just speculation, indicates that MRNA has no long-term side effects, because its *just* an instruction manual. And even

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Medical ethics should never have blocked this, because we should have been doing challenge trials very early on in this process. They are completely voluntary, so anyone who decides they want to participate can do so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620775

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? 20,  you can't proove anything, as  this is a newer tech that has been out only recently. Has it even been shown that the rna inserted into cells completely is gone?   Just because you can't  prove  that it can cause severe complications doesn't mean i

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Vaccines have always been about risk management. Rare side effects/circumstances vs effectiveness of vaccine and severity of risk due to infection. If there was a risk of polio or small pox, the threat a vaccine may pose pales in comparison, for example.As for vaccine

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @19 there is a fundamental flaw in your message which is that it is  binary. It is not binary whether you are infected or not because of the degree of infection and transmission. Different vaccines cause cells to act differently because of the tech they use, and when

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I'm gitting the vaccine on Friday but I doubt I get a choice. Not sure which to pick if I did. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620756/#p620756 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabah

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? The people who died do to the vaccine was do, far as I know do to allergic reactions URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620749/#p620749 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @15, can you actually prove that the phiser vaccine isn't trustworthy? Yeah, its made with new technology but so what? It can't cause dangerous complications. (If it can, please, prove it.) Go look at what MRNA is -- because I don't think you actually

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Who said anything about antivaccine? I think vaccine theory is based on sound principles. I am against rushing to get experimental genetic modification, at least until more studies have been done on the long-term effects. I choose not to get flu shots because the

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I got the Pfizer vaccine.These conspiracy theorists are really getting on mine and other peoples nerves right now with their fake anti-vaccine crap.Whats next?Are they going to try and link covid vaccines to autism too? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620742

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Several points. I don't think the vaccine repayment fund will repay people without proof the vaccine was to blame, but you're right, allergies, weird situations do crop up, and as I said the numbers are small, but there are reported cases.On the other hand,

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? as  for those ethics regulations, they should exist, especially given the large number of unethical and fucked up experiments that were performed that resulted in those regulations in the first place URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620739/#p620739

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Well, all things being equal, a vaccene developed using the same technology as previous ones is by default more trustworthy than one  using newer techniques for the first time. Medications that have persisted in the body before after even a single dose and cause

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Lol, someone is on a propaganda trip again.Nuno, tell ya what, what about you find some reputable sources about Covid vaccine deaths in Germany related to the biontech/Pfizer vaccine and provide them here? And no, I am not talkking about your chinese backwater blogs.I

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Come on.  I don't know why I bother.  This is really basic medicine.  1000 out of going on 30 million isn't people dropping dead and some huge conspiracy, it's normal medicine.  Someone somewhere is going to be allergic to whatever, that's just h

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? This link here has the CDC information about covid vaccine deaths. It's not a huge number, but it has happened. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620722/#p620722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @nunoPeople don't die from Pfizer.  Please provide a reputable source.  The only thing I can find is this which is saying that it's being reported by a small news outlet that's probably either fake or blowing it out of proportion (there's a

Re: Pfizer or Oxford?

Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Well, I decided to take AstraZeneca on March 9th. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620704/#p620704 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I will take the AstraZeneca on Martch 15 just because this is what they made me take.What ever happens, it happens. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620697/#p620697 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I'd take the Pfizer because it works on more of the variants. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620688/#p620688 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/lis

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? Many people in Germany died because of Pfizer. I would never take it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620666/#p620666 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? @ number 5yes it is URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620663/#p620663 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? `By Oxford vaccine, you mean the Astrazeneca one? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620658/#p620658 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

Re: Pfizer or Oxford?

Re: Pfizer or Oxford? i would take the biontech vaxine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620645/#p620645 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I am waiting for the CHinese vaccines to come here. Otherwise I am not vaccinating. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/620640/#p620640 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: Pfizer or Oxford? I would take the oxford vaccene, though it is less effective, it is still very effective, and is made using established technology, unlike MRNA technology. The longterm effects of MRNA vaccenes are still unknown, and this is the first MRNA vaccene so this would be my

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