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Re: why bgt dont continus Ah okay. I will look into Python 3. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414363/#p414363 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: why bgt dont continus The Python2.7 vs Python3 thing reminds me of Windows XP. The software, security, and ability to adapt to new hardware improved, but enough was broken or otherwise made worse in the process that a vast userbase stuck with the older one. It didn't take as long

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Re: why bgt dont continus Use Python 3 if you can. Python 2 will be officially EOL in 2020. @108, no, Python does not require you to write your own compiler error checkerthing. No programming language requires you to do that. It will report errors to you just as anything else would

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Re: why bgt dont continus Hmm, I found pyinstaller with Python, it's a library thing that compiles you're python code into an executable. .I got Python 2.7, with PIP, you should get that, pygame, PYAUTOGUI, and other stuff. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413437/#p413437

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Re: why bgt dont continus I do think it would be really cool to learn but I just don't have the time and stuff to screw with it. It would probably be good to start now? Maybe not. Don't know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413285/#p413285 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: why bgt dont continus My issue with Python is that it's... Just... To hard for me to get use to and stuff. BGT has like a simple documentation thing, with Python you gotta find out which documentation thing would be right for you, you have to make you're own compiler and/or compilation

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Re: why bgt dont continus Yeah, or github... well that’s what i’d personally use if i were to open source anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413189/#p413189 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: why bgt dont continus Hmm just guessing, but I think you could put you're game on an FTP server, set up one account, deny delete permissions and open source it that way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413184/#p413184 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: why bgt dont continus It's true that the internet makes working together over long distances more possible than ever. From what I can tell, though, having everyone in the same building still makes a huge difference, so long as they're not getting in each other's way (etc, distracting

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Re: why bgt dont continus Heh. If I ever do manage to get going in a dev sense, I'm definitely going to have to outsource bits, as I simply don't have the time to learn to code and then actually bloody well do it. Ditto sound design. I'll be a concept person. URL: https

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Re: why bgt dont continus Thing is, with all of the filesharing, storage, and videoconferencing tools available nowadays, having one centralized location isn't a must.  Teams can work together even if they live thousands of miles apart. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413045

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Re: why bgt dont continus It's worth pointing out that most teams are concentrated in one location. They might have people phoning in recordings or artwork, but for the most part, successful indy teams tend to have as many team-members as they can in the same building. Liam and Aprone

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Re: why bgt dont continus I agree with a lot of these recent posts. I especially like the idea of several of our great developers coming together to make something fantastic. Imagine Aprone, Liam, and others teaming together to make something really great. Yeah, it may not be as great

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Re: why bgt dont continus Re: 3d sound, as I recall, Philip's original intention was to use XAudio2 for BGT, but was unable to get it to work without unacceptable amounts of latency. 3d audio took huge leaps circa 2014-15, and on top of that are all the license issues. It's a headache

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Re: why bgt dont continus Two very good posts, @98 and @99.  I have often said that one of the biggest problems in terms of the inability to get an ulta-quality game in this community is that we, as a community, don't work together enough.  Very rarely do you see people collaborate

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus Two very good posts, @98 and @99.  I have often said that one of the biggest problems in terms of the inability to get an ulta-quality game in this community is that we, as a community, don't work together enough.  Very rarely do you see people collaborate

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus Great post, I love your unique insight  and the way you broke down the various different outlooks made it easy to follow. I'm honored that we have you as a member of our forum, and keep track of that karma because I think you'll earn allot with posts like 98

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus Great post, I love your unique insight  and the way you broke down the various different outlooks made it easy to follow. I'm honored that we have you as a member of our forum.However I do have a few points to bring up.And I too am a man of many words, so buckle

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Re: why bgt dont continus If I could afford to do so, I'd say this should be posted on Reddit, so I can upvote it again and maybe give it Gold. But I'm too poor to gild things on Reddit or support people on Patrion, so no need to bother.I have more important things to spend my money

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Re: why bgt dont continus I read the entire thread and there are some things I'd like to address. Being concise has never been my trademark so be warned.First of all, remember that the game makers are not necessarily developers. One might have the required creativity and originality

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Re: why bgt dont continus ok, so i get that its updates are infreequent, but dang this thing was updated in what, 2015 or even earlier? yeah, no. that aint infrequent. thats discontinued for yah mate. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411511/#p411511 -- Audiogames-reflector

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Re: why bgt dont continus Hi all,I just found this topic and so figured I would post a reply to clear some things up.There has in fact been some development happening on BGT on and off for the last few years, but I have not had the time or interest to package it all together and make

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Re: why bgt dont continus It won't expand or collapse indents though I don't think. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411178/#p411178 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

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Re: why bgt dont continus There is the indent nav add-on for NVDA. It's apparently supposed to do those things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411142/#p411142 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

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Re: why bgt dont continus Funnily enough, the two courses I took regarding coding (which taught me GML and the basics of Java, respectively) hammered the importance of indentation. It just makes cleaner code in general, particularly on the visual side of things...so if I for some reason

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Re: why bgt dont continus Hmm, the only thing that makes a text editor in BGT ambitious is that it doesn't come with a GUI library, so you have to write one yourself. Which, as it turns out, is the work of a weekend. Friday afternoon to get it working, Saturday to fix the bugs and features

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Re: why bgt dont continus Ride is a great concept, but the execution leaves a bit to be desired. It's a talking text editor that lets you navigate indent code accessibly by expanding and colapsoing indents (ctrl+alt+right to expand, left to collapse.) Problem is I think it was made in BGT

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Re: why bgt dont continus Yeah... Idle (the Python GUI) is completely inaccessible. I couldn't do anything more useful than peruse the menu bar, and view the window title. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410964/#p410964 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: why bgt dont continus @88, ah, but there is always the command-line. The accessibility issue was JAWS-specific. WinPython, if I'm not mistaken, is accessible, or at least was last time I tested it. And notepad2/notepad++ are alternatives. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410961

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Re: why bgt dont continus And it's not just the sound issue.  There's also the issue of making sure that whatever editor/compiler/dev tools for the language you choose is accessible to you with your screen reader.  For example, if I remember correctly, Unity is inaccessible to us

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Re: why bgt dont continus I don't really understand how playing sound in 3D is "so complicated". FmOD, Wwise, and so on provide much easier methods than using the raw system APIs or OpenAL. Sound has gotten much easier. Graphics, on the other hand... URL: https://forum.audiogame

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Re: why bgt dont continus Which is my exact point.  Let's say someone has the desire to make a game as a hobby, just because.  Sure, they've got the intellectual ability to learn a programming language.  But for a game that's not complex, one that's not going to involve complex maps

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus Which is my exact point.  Let's say someone has the desire to make a game as a hobby, just because.  Sure, they've got the intellectual ability to learn a programming language.  But for a game that's not complex, one that's not going to involve complex maps

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Re: why bgt dont continus BGT is only really a gateway into learning about BGT. Sure you learn programming concepts you can take with you, but look at the percentage of people who leave BGT versus those who always make BGT and swear up and down by the thing until their game breaks

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Re: why bgt dont continus @JLove,With consoles not being accessible at first, blind people playing games was still somehow a myth to major game companies. With the xbox having built-in accessibility, and it becoming increasingly easier for developers to obtain the sdk's, that has certainly

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Re: why bgt dont continus I actually want to chime in on the BGT thing in particular here.So okay. We get that it's not the most complex language, and that it's got limitations. But apparently it's friendly for building stuff (I don't know firsthand, mind you). But it's been used to make

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Re: why bgt dont continus @81, DirectX isn't the only sound engine out there in C++ though. A lot of audio libraries exist (OpenAL, FMOD, Wwise, BASS, ...) simplify (or complexify) the problem and make your job easier or harder. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410749/#p410749

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Re: why bgt dont continus So, I guess my question is, I understand why a big company wouldn't want to redo a game that they already completed to add accessibility features.  However, I do not see the reason for not just incorporating accessibility from day 1?  If you start from day 1

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Re: why bgt dont continus So, I guess my question is, I understand why a big company wouldn't want to redo a game that they already completed to add accessibility features.  However, I do not see the reason for not just incorporating accessibility from day 1?  If you start from day 1

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Re: why bgt dont continus @77: Let me introduce you to the wonderful world of Keto Cookies... :twisted: URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410179/#p410179 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: why bgt dont continus @Ethin you make me look like a saint in comparison with your behavior. You also need to learn that you can't approach every argument like it's a debate, and you shouldn't argue with fanatics. The only time you should argue with someone is if you see

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Re: why bgt dont continus Hmm, I actually posted my idea to help with this a bit in the developer room, integrating I mean.https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/2753 … s-with-it/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410154/#p410154 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: why bgt dont continus Fuck I'm so glad cookies aren't made of cheese. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410137/#p410137 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

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Re: why bgt dont continus @75, thank you for that, I will temper my temper in future, pun intended. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410083/#p410083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: why bgt dont continus @Soressean I take your point. You had no way of knowing that we were eventually going to step in and say something, so you decided to do it yourself, as it were. Future reference though, you can probably assume that this sort of abuse won't just be left to stand

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Re: why bgt dont continus very good discaution! nice! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410061/#p410061 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: why bgt dont continus @72, some could probably argue (quite understandably) that you heap the same abuse on me when you post and its directed towards me. The only thing that's different is that you don't use the same language I do. Like I said earlier, whether your tired of what I do

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Re: why bgt dont continus @72, some could probably argue (quite understandably) that you heap the same abuse on me when you post and its directed towards me. The only thing that's different is that you don't use the same language I do. Like I said earlier, whether your tired of what I do

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Re: why bgt dont continus @72, some could probably argue (quite understandably) that you heap the same abuse on me when you post and its directed towards me. The only thing that's different is that you don't use the same language I do. Like I said earlier, whether your tired of what I do

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Re: why bgt dont continus @72, some could probably argue (quite understandably) that you heap the same abuse on me when you post and its directed towards me. The only thing that's different is that you don't use the same language I do. Like I said earlier, whether your tired of what I do

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Re: why bgt dont continus @72, some could probably argue (quite understandably) that you heap the same abuse on me when you post and its directed towards me. The only thing that's different is that you don't use the same language I do. Like I said earlier, whether your tired of what I do

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Re: why bgt dont continus @72, some could probably argue (quite understandably) that you heap the same abuse on me when you post and its directed towards me. The only thing that's different is that you don't use the same language I do. Like I said earlier, whether your tired of what I do

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Re: why bgt dont continus @Jayde/moderation: I'm not going to dispute my caution. I'm really really over him hulking out and screaming at people, and "retarded bullshit" wasn't the first time in this thread. If by turning up the heat you mean I called him down for some of the

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Re: why bgt dont continus @70, I know. And I know, you can get hot under the collar, we all can. Its hard for me to remain calm when I'm first almost literally insulted and then someone acts like a dick in an effort to "be the good guy" to add insult to injury. And yes, I

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Re: why bgt dont continus @70, I know. And I know, you can get hot under the collar, we all can. Its hard for me to remain calm when I'm first almost literally insulted and then someone acts like a dick in an effort to "be the good guy" to add insult to injury.

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Re: why bgt dont continus I get that, and it's good that you recognize this trait, but at this point I'm kind of looking for results, not just recognition. You've said many times that you will change, or try to work on it, and then you're good for a little while, and then it all flares up

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Re: why bgt dont continus @68, I know, I tend to do that. And I try to remain calm. But its very easy to get caught up in the heat of... debate, I guess... and I tend to lose control sometimes (which doesn't do me much credit). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410033/#p410033

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Re: why bgt dont continus Moderation:Ethin, consider this an official warning. You have a tendency of becoming inflammatory when things don't suit you, and the "retarded bullshit" statement is an excellent example of this. If I had been here closer to the time when it was made

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Re: why bgt dont continus @66, I know, right? Its incredibly to ask. It seems like blind advocate organizations have forgotten a word called 'civility'. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410028/#p410028 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: why bgt dont continus Yeah true. Well, the NFB doesn't apply to me because I am totally not in the US, but I due read their resolutions sometimes and oh boy, no wonder companys are not doing much for accessibility. The way it sounds to me is that they are going like do it now! instead

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Re: why bgt dont continus @64, knowing the NFB and their nasty habit of digging their nose into every possible thing and making it accessible ASAP, they probably already do but haven't done anything because they don't have the money to topple valve in court. And even if they did I doubt

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Re: why bgt dont continus Yeah, you also can't force push valve to do any accessibility improovments, some people due prefer the jack hammer method and then wonder why nothing is done for them.Let's hope the NFB doesn't know about steam.Greetings moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: why bgt dont continus @61, considering that no one on this thread has been as dickish as you've been and things were (I hoped anyway)starting to cool off after 56, and then you came inn and heated stuff back up to level 15... yeah, you should look at yourself before bitching about

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Re: why bgt dont continus @61, considering that no one on this thread has been as dickish as you've been and things were (I hoped anyway)starting to cool off after 56, and then you came inn and heated stuff back up to level 15... yeah, you should look at yourself before bitching about

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Re: why bgt dont continus @60 well, it is not that hard to grasp when you play mainstream games yourself and have a lot of contact with sighted people, which is not true for all of the blind people around here I would suppose. I am happy that there are accessible mainstream games out

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Re: why bgt dont continus @59, not even going to bother responding. I've already apologized for the PE stuff, your not worth my time. Cool off, I don't see anyone else on this topic acting as dickish as you are.@57, I like that one. At least someone basically understands what I'm getting

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Re: why bgt dont continus No, you really didn't appologise for calling someone's response "retarded bullshit." Even if you had, I'm a little over you throwing a raging fit every time someone disagrees with you, then tearfully saying sorry when someone calls you down for it. P

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Re: why bgt dont continus @59, not even going to bother responding. I've already apologized, your not worth my time.@57, I like that one. At least someone basically understands what I'm getting at. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410008/#p410008 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing

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Re: why bgt dont continus It appears to me that someone has resorted to their old ways, accusations and claims. So buckle up folks, because I'm about to get some crayons out to do some xplaining. The only thing I can promise at the end is the likelyhood of salty tears and another

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Re: why bgt dont continus Alright folks, let's settle this.The real misunderstanding is in Chris's post:Chris wrote:Big studios cannot make the excuse that it costs too much. These companies have incredible amounts of resources at their disposal. I think people either don't know what to do

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Re: why bgt dont continus Hi.So, that post might be a bit jumbeled up because I am half asleep, but here is my stance on the whole integration debate regarding gaming.Something I want to address firstly is that, at leased from my point of view, many blind people enjoy their simple games

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Re: why bgt dont continus It's alright dude, there's a different language which does not involve calling something retarded all the time. If a mainstream game is not accessible, it is perfectly legitimate to play an audio version and to develop one if not available. If it's not as good

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Re: why bgt dont continus @54, what kind of retarded, bullshit statement is that? Clearly you don't understand my post. At all. Please go reread my post. Did I ever tell people to stop playing audio games? No I didn't. Did I ever tell people that we need to integrate with the mainstream

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Re: why bgt dont continus @54, what kind of retarded statement is that? Clearly you don't understand my post. At all. Please go reread my post. Did I ever tell people to stop playing audio games? No I didn't. Did I ever tell people that we need to integrate with the mainstream community

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Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam or the app store, most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when games like Brain Station have been done a thousand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut

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Re: why bgt dont continus @54, what kind of retarded statement is that? Clearly you don't understand my post. At all. Please go reread my post. Did I ever tell people to stop playing audio games? No I didn't. Did I ever tell people that we need to integrate with the mainstream community

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Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam or the app store, most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when games like Brain Station have been done a thousand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut

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Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam or the app store, most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when games like Brain Station have been done a thousand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut

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Re: why bgt dont continus Yeah right, because having both audiogames and mainstream games is bad and will definitely destroy the community. Where does this opinion come from? Oh yeah, a guy which played probably 5 audiogames in his life if that. Mainstream games will always be superiour

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Re: why bgt dont continus @50, oh my god dude. Have you ever written a screen reader? Do you know how one works in great detail? No? Then you shouldn't expect others to do it too. Its not exactly an easy process. And adding screen reader support may be easy, but do keep in mind

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Re: why bgt dont continus @50, oh my god dude. Have you ever written a screen reader? Do you know how one works in great detail? No? Then you shouldn't expect others to do it too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/409984/#p409984 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam or the app store, most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when games like Brain Station have been done a thousand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam or the app store, most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when it's been done a thousand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut down 90s style RPG

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam or the app store, most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when it's been done a thousand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut down 90s style RPG

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam or the app store, most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when it's been done a thousand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut down 90s style RPG

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus I mean unless it's on steam most people won't give a shit anyway, especially when it's been done a thuosand times with a much bigger budget already.This is the same falissy that people had with AHC, which was just a cut down 90s style RPG with a tired storyline

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Re: why bgt dont continus Sorry about my earlier post being all weird, it was a ruff draft I accidentally posted, but I fixed it up LOL.Anyway, I see the point about us modernizing. We can't stay so insular... And even with the steps forward we make every few years, we're still far behind

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Re: why bgt dont continus That makes absolutely no sense. According to your logic, Apple, Google, and Microsoft shouldn't have built fully-featured screen readers into their operating systems. There is no reason mainstream games can't do the same thing. Most people have no idea VoiceOver

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Re: why bgt dont continus Sorry about my earlier post being all weird, it was a ruff draft I accidentally posted, but I fixed it up LOL.Anyway, I see the point about us modernizing. We can't stay so insular... And even with the steps forward we make every few years, we're still far behind

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus Sorry about my earlier post being all weird, it was a ruff draft I accidentally posted, but I fixed it up LOL.Anyway, I see the point about us modernizing. We can't stay so insular... And even with the steps forward we make every few years, we're still far behind

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Re: why bgt dont continus Update: Lukas, Carter: I cannot reproduce your results. Checking Manamon and a compiled BGT game yielded the same byte count for both (887 KB, 908288 bytes, with offsets 0xddc00 and 0xf9c00). I did, however, discover the following functions when I ran strings

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Re: why bgt dont continus @46, you find that "unacceptable"? Well, deal with it, its the real world. People aren't going to cater to your every whim and desire. We need to start integrating with the sited community -- have you noticed that only you have disagreed with me on that

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Re: why bgt dont continus The size alterations are as I said purely commited to bytecode as far as I know, the stub already has everything it needs to. In debug, quite a bit of additional information is exposed such as variable names, file names, line numbers, and code to enhance

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Re: why bgt dont continus Yeah, what's so great about BGT anyway? It provides no way to output visual information and it's not being maintained anymore unless it is true that people have newer private versions. I wonder why they're private in the first place ? Why not let everyone use them

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Re: why bgt dont continus @44, I didn't see your post when I edited mine and submitted it. Weird.OK... so, let's say your right. Let's assume for a moment that the version of BGT is different. So what does that prove? Yes, in this "assumption" he supposedly gives out versi

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Re: why bgt dont continus @44, I didn't see your post when I edited mine and submitted it. Weird.OK... so, let's say your right. Let's assume for a moment that the version of BGT is different. So what does that prove? Yes, in this "assumption" he supposedly gives out versi

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Re: why bgt dont continus @44, I didn't see your post when I edited mine and submitted it. Weird.OK... so, let's say your right. Let's assume for a moment that the version of BGT is different. So what does that prove? Yes, in this "assumption" he gives out versions of BGT

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Re: why bgt dont continus Sighs.@16So he gives out different versions to others... Good for him, Precisely why is this an issue? What crime is being commited that is in direct harm to you, and in which way are you being offended. Please explain@ethinIf your gonna go around calling people

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus Sighs.@16So he gives out different versions to others... Good for him, Precisely why is this an issue? What crime is being commited that is in direct harm to you, and in which way are you being offended. Please explain@ethinIf your gonna go around calling people

Re: why bgt dont continus

Re: why bgt dont continus Sighs.@16So he gives out different versions to others... Good for him, Precisely why is this an issue? What crime is being commited that is in direct harm to you, and in which way are you being offended. Please explain@ethinIf your gonna go around calling people

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