Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? adriani wrote:This is simply due to Microsoft pushing hard towards its own products.Not entirely true. To an extent, node.js is getting there what with Aria, and that's pretty screenreader agnostic. So Narrator could eventually work with that without

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? on a 64bit system, 32bit components are still needed, especially when you deal with com dlls and registry files which register on system32 and on syswo64. You cannot compare a screen reader with something like Microsoft office or so. The difference

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Hi @Enes, if you have read carefully the whats new of jaws 2019 you would have not said that. This is a quote from the whats new:Starting with JAWS 2019, there is now one link to download and install JAWS for all supported operating systems and

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I just sent NV Access an email about creating an enterprise specific version. Maybe a version that disables logging, add-ons, and other dev features will make security conscious organizations happy.The less I say about Freedom Scientific and their

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I just sent NV Access an email about creating an enterprise specific version. Maybe a version that disables logging, add-ons, and other dev features will make security conscious organizations happy.The less I say about Freedom Scientific and their

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Hi Adriani,Well, Jaws is a pure 64 bit app, however it is able to still interact with x86 apps fine. Also, a x86 app actually decreases performance because NVDA has to run on the x86 compatibility layer,  and cannot utilize greater performance of 64

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? @Nocturnus in my view, Narator might possibly work really good with Microsoft products in the future but that's it. Narator will never work i.e. with SAP software or with Java applications or with third party apps as good as Jaws or NVDA do. This is

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Interesting topic.This is a discussion my coworkers, students and I have about once a month or so. Most everyone comes down on the NVDA side, and even the Jaws users among us admit that the days of Jaws for personal use are numbered, at least in

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? In order for Narrator to seriously take over as default screen reader and improve beyond the scope of NVDA or JFW, MS will have to start closing its system down to outsiders and outside development.  It'll provide a screen reading solution that works

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Wait, has Narrorator improved so much? Because the last time I tried to use that particular screen reader, I had a number of problems with itSuch as not being able to copy and paste text, not being able to post blog posts because both the text

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? People are missing a key thing here. If you're running Windows 10 home, you're not accessing your home PC from somewhere else using RDP, no matter how much you want to and if Narrator allows it. RDP is not available on Win 10 home. If you want remote

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I don't see Jaws dropping out completely, but I do see their need to change their pricing structure. Let's say though, that they do. NVDA is not, and I repeat not ready to take up the slack. I'm not even considering users' objections to NVDA when

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? regarding teamviewer, mouse event are injected now in NVDA 2019.1 also when using teamviewer so you can control a PC remotely with NVDA that way as well.I also think that RDP support in Narator would be the best we can have. And I hope that Microsoft

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? If you like RDP support for NVDA as well as Citrix and other remote protocols, have a look at this software which however costs some money but it is also meant to be used in professional environments.Unicorn

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? jawse users no offence: i'm not sad for this really dude I was not like jawse and never gonna like it. I'm saying no offence to you URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/423919/#p423919 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Well, that's a complicated argument. If NVDA crashes and hangs, you're s o l until you can get to that remote computer, unless nvda remote's send ctrl+alt+del works, and if you have any secure login screens to deal with, NVDA Remote is on for secure

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? For remote desktop with JAWS, I believe you have to have JAWS installed on both ends, or at least that what I gathered by reading the help docs on FS's site. I personally think that FS needs to learn by what pretty much what happens to the IV software

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? 28. I completely agree with you there, hence the statement of if they don't have to install anything at all, all the better. At this point, both JAWS and NVDA need installation, and they'll keep using JAWS, since that's what they know. Not as in how

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? That's why I want to see Microsoft improve Narrator support for RDP and RA. Imagine being able to control any Windows 10 PC, regardless of whether a screen reader is installed or not. All Windows 10 computers come with Narrator out of the box, so this

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? That's why I want to see Microsoft improve Narrator support for RDP and RA. Imagine being able to control any Windows 10 PC, regardless of whether a screen reader is installed or not. All Windows 10 computers come with Narrator out of the box, so this

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? That's why I want to see Microsoft improve Narrator support for RDP and RA. Imagine being able to control any Windows 10 PC, regardless of whether a screen reader is installed or not. All Windows 10 computers come with Narrator out of the box, so this

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? That's why I want to see Microsoft improve Narrator support for RDP and RA. Imagine being able to control any Windows 10 PC, regardless of whether a screen reader is installed or not. All Windows 10 computers come with Narrator out of the box, so this

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? @25: Tech departments are lazy, and paranoid. It's usually upper management that's cheap. Tech departments just about the world over are going to get a little sketchy about installing anything they haven't previously approved/worked with/completely

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I support jaws too. Pricing aside, I think it's a great screen reader with some unique useful features. I just think that if in future, the RNIB's blind workers can get the job done just as efficiently using Narrator, they'll ditch jaws purely for

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I support jaws too. Pricing aside, I think it's a great screen reader with some unique useful features. I just think that if in future, the RNIB's blind workers can get the job done just as efficiently using Narrator, they'll ditch jaws purely for

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I support jaws too. Pricing aside, I think it's a great screen reader with some unique useful features. I just think that if in future, the RNIB's blind workers can get the job done just as efficiently using Narrator, they'll ditch jaws purely for

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I support jaws too. Pricing aside, I think it's a great screen reader with some unique useful features. I just think that if in future, the RNIB's blind workers can get the job done just as efficiently using Narrator, they'll ditch jaws purely for

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Interesting topic, with some interesting times. I don't want to go into much publicly, but I've recently had my first ever RNIB experience. The guys, after finding out I was an NVDA user, were genuinely curious, as all their none-visual users are

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Not true as far as I can tell, the desktop variants of David and Zira have recorded character speech. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/423693/#p423693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? @Quanin: The NVDA Remote relay server is lightweight enough that you could run it on any Linux server you have running, and when it is not being used it shouldn't take up many system resources at all. For a time I did have one running on a Raspberry

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Narrator can get as good as it wants, as can NVDA and JAWS. I'll switch between them as is necessary, exactly like I do now. First one to allow me to access my personal machines over Teamviewer wins. NVDA Remote is nice, but I'm a little lacking in

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Hmm. I'm curious as to why JAWS has performance issues on those laptops. What's the CPU? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/423625/#p423625 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? To me the best would be that all 3 screen-readers stay there, because I always like to have more option. There is always something not working and even if it's rare, usually switching screen reader will do the trick. If there is only one screen reader

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Microsoft needs a good, fast, responsive voice or two to put in OneCore. Nobody cares about these half way fancy sounding voices, we want raw speed. Fancy is OK for reading articles, but all the MS voices suck anyway, so there's that. If they came out

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? NVDA is actually fast approaching its python 3 move, something we have been waiting for for a long time. I say that as an xp user myself, ironically, but knowing that xp is my energy-efficient operating system since the mac's battery management is

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I generally agree that scripting is a temporary solution; however, I find it difficult to imagine that many app developers will suddenly make all of their apps accessible. Although this has drastically improved, there are still many apps that are

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? So I used to hate Jaws with a passion.  I only ever used NVDA because it was great and I never had any issues.  Every year, we'd have a new version of Jaws with 10 new features nobody would ever use and seemingly more bugs.Last year though, I noticed

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I use JAWS at work, and I have had performance issues, but I don't think JAWS will be going away any time soon. For one thing, JAWS has contracts with many local and federal governments. I would bet you those entities will drop JAWS right before the

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? I think the home annual license is a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/423571/#p423571 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

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Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? No, I don't think this applies. Microsoft is still partnering with Vispero, NV Access, etc. I think NVDA will always be an option because it's free and is supported by the community thanks to its open source nature. The problem is JAWS/Magic/Zoom

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? No, I don't think this applies. Microsoft is still partnering with Vispero, NV Access, etc. I think NVDA will always be an option because it's free and is supported by the community thanks to its open source nature. The problem is JAWS/Magic/Zoom

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? No, I don't think this applies. Microsoft is still partnering with Vispero, NV Access, etc. I think NVDA will always be an option because it's free and is supported by the community thanks to its open source nature. The problem is JAWS/Magic/Zoom

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? @7Mmm... Part of me wonders if including narrator as a default option could get Microsoft slapped with another [anti-trust lawsuit] the same way they did with pre-packaging internet explorer. If Narrator comes by default and has all the options of

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? @Flacus, it depends upon the price of the home anual license and whether it also counts upgrades to the software.if freedom scientific are prepared to settle for at most 100 a year upgrades included it might work out, if howere people are still having

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? If the NVDA team works more seriously this year, I think more and more customers will be attracted to NVDA. I believe they should continue improving the support and performance for the Office package as well as fix focus issues on the web, and then

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? If the NVDA team works more seriously this year, I think more and more customers will be attracted to NVDA. I believe they should continue improving the support and performance for the Office package as well as fix focus issues on the web, and then

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? The next few years are going to be very interesting indeed. Once Windows 10 becomes mainstream and Narrator has gained scripting abilities, there will be very few or no reasons to purchase JAWS. Considering that Freedom Scientific heavily relies on

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? The watermark idea reminds me of how the VocalEyes  demo would work, after 20 minutes you'd still be able to use the machine but you couldn't really adjust the settings panel. So you wouldn't have to rush shutting down your machine, if you were in the

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? sight and sound say the home annual license is coming to the UK, but I think it's too little too late. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/423485/#p423485 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? Hurrah! glad the RNIB are finally getting their act together and realising just how blind customers are getting shafted with access tech. Last I heard they were still on the Jaws is thy god" trip.Personally, I  would like to see freedom scientific

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? i agree with everyone here. Narrator's usability has grately improved for the past 8 years that i remember using it. I tried it on 8, 8.1, then i used it for everything i would use NVDA for a while on windows 10. It actually was ok and not as verbose

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws?

Re: The beginning of the end for jaws? It can't. The only way it can is when the odball underground business scripts get used, which as more businesses switch to mainstream stuff, that leaves Salesforce and Cytrix as the main beneficiaries of Jaws. NVDA is also trying to get more friendly