One man posted in a tread in another forum. He worked in a studio. Dont
remember where or when. His statement of claim was that jitter dos not
exsist. It is something the pro audio hardware industry has invented to
earn more money on hardware sales.
Jitter doesn't exist?
So, I CAN have that
It does make a thud in the speakers as it cycles.
Sean, perhaps you are right. Problem is that my normal listening level
is around -20db, but with some tracks it can be as much as -4db. I'm
not aware of any levelling for FLACs so if I attenuatted by 10db I'd
find myself short of volume on some
eiret wrote:
DCtoDaylight;224074 Wrote:
I was refering to:
which we both seem to agree is impossible. I didn't check if the
Benchmark web site actually states this, or if this is a misquote, but
my point still stands, ALL dac's have jitter of differing degrees.
Cheers, Dave
Sorry it
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omega;218198 Wrote:
Anyway both me and hammer are soon leaving sweden for a couple of weeks
during vacation.
So all this measuring and testing is put on hold for a while.
Back from vacation meanwhile? I am curious about the continuation of
your findings/testings...
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Hi Krzys
The digital reciver in the Behringer (CS8420) is known to have trouble
with the levels of SPDIF (0,5V). It works better with the higer levels
of AES/EBU. But it works great for my DCX in SPDIF mode. But I have
changed the termination resistor from 110 to 75 ohm. Maybe that is why
you
Robin Bowes;224073 Wrote:
SuperQ wrote:[color=blue]
assuming you set your drive offset correctly, and created a CUE
file properly, and ripped the CD perfectly, and didn't miss any
pre-gaps
on track one, etc.
R.
I just don't get what difference in sound pre-gaps and offset could
make!
michel;224145 Wrote:
I just don't get what difference in sound pre-gaps and offset could
make! :-)
I believe Robin was responding to the suggestion that the burned CD
would be a bit perfect copy of the original.
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jeffmeh
MikeFish;224116 Wrote:
It does make a thud in the speakers as it cycles.
Sean, perhaps you are right. Problem is that my normal listening level
is around -20db, but with some tracks it can be as much as -4db. I'm
not aware of any levelling for FLACs so if I attenuatted by 10db I'd
find
TCM;224122 Wrote:
And so it begins...
Hilarious - but also ultimately futile...
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some
very expensive cables
jeffmeh;224169 Wrote:
FLAC does support replaygain.
huh? what makes you think that?
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some
very expensive
Here's a suggestion: if you have a question that doesn't absolutely
require heated debate, DON'T post it in the Audiophile forum.
you're just asking for fun'n'games here, and you'll get excellent
responses elsewhere!
(there's a little spot in the back of my brain that thinks of the
Audiophile
Before the tread turns to another philosophical discussion about
formats, I want to report my findings.
Of course Sean and other knowledgeable members were right; there should
not be any difference in sound level depending on the source.
Guided by the answers I made some measurements yesterday.
Phil Leigh;224177 Wrote:
None of this would cause a change in level - merely in inability to
reliably lock.
Maybe. How can you tel for sure?. Anyway, the CS8420 is best driven
differentialy. Up to 5V for the AES/EBU. The protocol is not much
different from SPDIF. If you change the attenuator
Polarbear;224184 Wrote:
Maybe. How can you tel for sure?. Anyway, the CS8420 is best driven
differentialy. Up to 5V for the AES/EBU. The protocol is not much
different from SPDIF. If you change the attenuator on the SB output for
less attenuation, but same impedanse, I'll bet it will lock
There are two sorts of people, those who care if a thread goes off-topic
and those who don't. Only the OP should really express an opinion on
their own threads in this respect. After all, no-one has to read stuff
if they don't want to...IMHO.
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path
Phil Leigh wrote:
jeffmeh;224169 Wrote:
FLAC does support replaygain.
huh? what makes you think that?
A quick google for flac replaygain found this topic as the second link:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=showtopic=17293view=findpostp=171075
(I've linked to a post by Josh
krzys wrote:
What I haven't told you all is that I'm using the Inguz DRC plug-in.
The devil is in the detail.
R.
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Sorry to be jumping in so late to this thread.
As krysz points out, the Inguz plugin *does* alter the digital signal
level, even when EQ settings are flat. This gives some headroom for
when you want non-flat EQ settings, and is by design.
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inguz
Phil Leigh;224185 Wrote:
Because:
a) I know how enough about how digital audio works and (as others have
stated) the level coming out of the DAC has nothing - NOTHING - to do
with the analogue levels of the digital signal present on the inbound
SPDIF stream. If it did, you could strap a pot
Phil Leigh;224194 Wrote:
Bjorn - I think I see...my point stands - which is that provided the
SPDIF logic-level signal is high enough to reliably lock the DAC
that's all that really matters. The level of analogue signal coming out
of the DAC is set by the one's and zeroes.
The Behringer
I haven't really read that whole link just a couple of posts, but what I
read said that the replaygain is not a lossless process and that file
will be different after processing. That kinda rules it out for me. I
spend a great deal of time and effort to make the path and files sound
as good as
MikeFish;224199 Wrote:
I haven't really read that whole link just a couple of posts, but what I
read said that the replaygain is not a lossless process and that file
will be different after processing. That kinda rules it out for me. I
spend a great deal of time and effort to make the path
100% jitter immune is not the same as 100% jitter free.
R.[/QUOTE Wrote:
Ok, thats right.
What is this meaning of this sentence: In fact, no jitter-induced
artifacts can be detected using an Audio Precision System 2 Cascade
test set
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eiret
Doesn't it really irritate you when you're in the pub and people don't
talk about exactly what you want to talk about?
My uncle used to host dinner parties where he and my aunt would plan
certain topics of conversation, doing some research and having some
interesting (ish) snippets to chivvy
Anybody see the lunar eclipse the other night?
.
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haunyack
Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature.
(Listening room)
RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom)
Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated
neighbors.
nicketynick;224235 Wrote:
No, I was inside listening to music - I couldn't believe the improvement
in the sound without all those reflected cosmic rays messing things
up. now if only we could do something about the background.
damn Big Bang.
I thought (perceived subjectively)
haunyack;224228 Wrote:
Anybody see the lunar eclipse the other night?
.
No, I was inside listening to music - I couldn't believe the
improvement in the sound without all those reflected cosmic rays
messing things up. now if only we could do something about the
background. damn Big
Phil Leigh;224202 Wrote:
They went to Greece...
That explains a lot... considering how inflamatory their remarks were
over here...
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When I installed last nights build of Slimserver 7 I noticed that my
Transporter asked for a firmware update for the first time. I checked
after the update and lo and behold I am now on FW32. I have no idea
what the difference is yet though.
PS my digital input switching is still working with
adamslim;224222 Wrote:
Part of the problem is that the original post rarely defines the
requirement fully. Does the OP want a detailed scientific analysis of
the skin effect, or does he want people's experience with $1,000/m
cables?
I guess the one reason where both sides of the debate
haunyack;224238 Wrote:
I thought (perceived subjectively) the lack of corona effect made the
beer colder.
.
Well, certainly without Corona, beer is better. But it's better
without Bud, too.
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snarlydwarf
It is an great respect for Empirical Audio AND for Benchmark Audio
products. I am just an amateur reading reviews and forums and deciding
what is the best setup for me $$. And posting some thoughts and
questions. Both Benchmark Audio and Empirical Audio are good products,
no dought.
I have 2
new addition to the family - looks a fine device but unknown is the
inner specification re DAC etc ...
Liam
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soupdragon
SB3 + Cyrus CD6 + JVC QL A75 DD TT - Cyrus PreX - Eclipse TD 502 -
Eclipse 512 speakers
Phil Leigh;224175 Wrote:
I'll assume that wasn't directed at me personally (since I do indeed
know the difference).
Subjective measurement - you detected a difference and it doesn't
matter if anyone agrees or not
Objective measurement - more than one person detected the same
difference
Hi andy
I saw your comments about the syncing in the Beta forum but thought
that was more a slimserver issue rather than a firmware one. Thinking
about it though it makes sense that you need to update both.
thanks
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MikeFish
As Henry Kissinger once said, Academic politics are so vicious
precisely because the stakes are so small.
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...and I believe Sean committed to reviewing both SongScanner and
Fishbone and integrating if appropriate.
I think we should let him and Dean do that. It seems like a pretty
good route forwards.
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DynamicalSystem
The probleem is that this forum has to many audiophil beginners that
think the have figured it all out , and there for think that enyone
that challenge there oppinion is just wwrong.
This is understandble by the nature of audio becasue it really is very
complexed just look at have many
MikeFish;224199 Wrote:
I haven't really read that whole link just a couple of posts, but what I
read said that the replaygain is not a lossless process and that file
will be different after processing. That kinda rules it out for me. I
spend a great deal of time and effort to make the path
Ok, thanks guys I might give it a go. If it works then I'll need to
start researching XLR attenuators. I'm sure I've read a few threads
somewhere on here already about them.
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MikeFish
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harmonic;224286 Wrote:
The probleem is that this forum has to many audiophil beginners that
think the have figured it all out , and there for think that enyone
that challenge there oppinion is just wwrong.
This is understandble by the nature of audio becasue it really is very
complexed
opaqueice;224306 Wrote:
The fact that I was able to understand your post is an excellent
demonstration of the redundancy of the English language (which
according to Shannon is around 75%).
I don't read audiogon much, but even so I've seen quite a few flame
wars there. Same with audio
forums like Audiogon here you will mostly find people that have been
serious
audiophils for many many years, here the discussions are much more
civilized
Actually, Audiogon tends to be civilized because those forums are
moderated. Nothing gets posted until approved and they purposely keep
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Question:
The title of this thread says it all:
threads deteriorating into debate.
Why, pray tell, is debate a deterioration?
Couldn't debate lead to a growth in knowledge.
Knowledge of, at least, differing opinions if nothing else.
Maybe the OP should have conversations only with himself and thus avoid
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