Guys - if you think somebody is posting nonsense, leave him alone. If he
comes back posting what you consider nonsense. Ignore it. Try harder. If
you can't: ignore this forum board.
If in doubt: don't feed the troll.
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edwardthern wrote:
> I said repeatedly that science can not prove my perception yet it is
> real to me
>
> Dark Energy.Matter can not be measured either, only we can measure
> directly a very small % of realitygood thing scientist are not
> idiots too, otherwise they might say "Hey we
You do have to realize that this has probably been a test for some chat
bot program - just not sure why.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W
OK, no hydrogen audio for him.
But there are other possibilities. I understand there are a couple of
sports bars in Chicago that are looking for someone to educate the
regulars on the issue of why any number of other baseball teams were so
much better than the Cubs this past season.
Apesbrain wrote:
> NO... Don't do that! I fear the universe will implode.
No, but greynol might.
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mlsstl wrote:
> (P.S., If you're trying to raise your blood pressure, you'll probably
> get even better results over at hydrogenaud.io...)
NO... Don't do that! I fear the universe will implode.
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mlsstl wrote:
> (P.S., If you're trying to raise your blood pressure, you'll probably
> get even better results over at hydrogenaud.io...)
Nahh, he'd be banned within two posts.
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edwardthern wrote:
> No IDIOT, I never said my perception = a scientific FACT.
>
> I said my perception is my perception PERIOD.
>
> I said repeatedly that science can not prove my perception yet it is
> real to me
>
> Dark Energy.Matter can not be measured either, only we can measure
>
Apesbrain wrote:
> I didn't get until just right now (and seeing the post above) that you
> were also talking about "chips". Oh, you wacky Brits!
>
> http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/04/british-crisps
Please can I point out the we (Brits) invented the language and
therefore our
d6jg wrote:
> Rank
>
> + Gravy with Salt & Vinegar
> + Curry Sauce
> + Salt & Vinegar on its own
I didn't get until just right now (and seeing the post above) that you
were also talking about "chips". Oh, you wacky Brits!
http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/04/british-crisps
pablolie wrote:
>
> You started a discussion about "which chip sounds better?", which given
> the fact there isn't a universal test bench design that allows you to
> interexchange the chips within the same overall system makes little
> sense. Yes, I do read the article speculating that
edwardthern wrote:
> You are are all sick F***KS and not to mention STUPID FU**KS to hold,
> and cling to the belief that you have the right to ridicule and badger
> someone for sensing ANYTHING with their own senses.
>
> In the year 2016 we still have such primitive and stupid mindsetsits
pablolie wrote:
> I didn't join the discussion, but the way I read things is that you
> misdiagnosed disagreement with a personal attack. In Internet
> discussions, we have to learn to be told with people vehemently
> disagreeing and telling us we're utterly wrong. That's not an attack.
> Nor
And some of you stupid arseholes what to claim to be educated and
intelligent...HUH what kind of degree do you have? A Masters in being a
closed minded fool?
Well I'm an RN...I save lives for a living...DAILY. What one of you
idiots can claim to have saved a life even once?
You are are all sick F***KS and not to mention STUPID FU**KS to hold,
and cling to the belief that you have the right to ridicule and badger
someone for sensing ANYTHING with their own senses.
In the year 2016 we still have such primitive and stupid mindsetsits
ridiculous
pablolie wrote:
> I didn't join the discussion, but the way I read things is that you
> misread disagreement with a personal attack. In Internet discussions, we
> have to learn to be told with people vehemently disagreeing and telling
> us we're utterly wrong.
>
> Personally - I am somewhere
edwardthern wrote:
> Not one of you have the common decency to start a conversation that
> promotes dialogue, rather you attackgrown men none the less.
I didn't join the discussion, but the way I read things is that you
misread disagreement with a personal attack. In Internet
doctor_big wrote:
> If Edward goes away you'll have no one to ridicule. Be careful what you
> wish for.
>
What is your preferred treatment for people who selfishly promote
anti-science and anti-reason?
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If Edward goes away you'll have no one to ridicule. Be careful what you
wish for.
Hey - how come ralphy-boy hasn't chipped in about the evil audiophile
press yet?
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edwardthern wrote:
>
> Truly a monkey can act like a human to dinner extent but those intellect
> will never reach that beyond a monkey.
After watching from the sidelines, I've got to say this is the most
coherent thing you've posted.
Please don't go away mad...just go away.
Wombat wrote:
> Now it starts to make sense!
> golden ear -> golden rear -> anal probe -> abductees
>
> 21666
Oh well I had tried to stay out of this now, but that is F**King funny
:) LMFAO
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A nice, but wasted comment, Ron.
Edward fails to see the irony in claiming to be a subjectivist who's
judgment is not influenced by subjective factors.
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edwardthern wrote:
> The golden rear comment was obviously a joke.
Now it starts to make sense!
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edwardthern wrote:
> You people are really helping me to understand the type of people who
> gather here Not the type of people I'd normally keep company
> with Very low class.
The word that seems to have escaped you Edward is: educated.
What you don't know and how you treat other
edwardthern wrote:
> Talking about perception is never a problem with normal people.
>
> People talk about food at restaurants, movies, books, vacation spots
> etc. all the time.no measurement data needed, only perceptional
> views.
>
> The moment you people bring up measurements you sound
At this point I'm going to take the high road and leave you people to
your unrealistic views of life.
Truly a monkey can act like a human to dinner extent but those intellect
will never reach that beyond a monkey.
arnyk wrote:
> In what alternative universe?
>
> Begs the quesiton, why post your perceptions in a public forum? If
> there is no presumption that people will comment in them, then to do so
> is like standing on top of a mountain surrounded by empty space and
> shout your theses.
>
>
>
>
>
edwardthern wrote:
> Wrong!
>
> I do not have the right to question (say you are wrong) anything you
> perceive with your senses.
>
In what alternative universe?
Begs the quesiton, why post your perceptions in a public forum? If
there is no presumption that people will comment in them, then
edwardthern wrote:
> Wrong!
>
> I do not have the right to question (say you are wrong) anything you
> perceive with your senses.
>
> If you say this steak tastes better than that one, this flower smells
> better than that flower, this person's voice sounds better than that
> person etc. You
Julf wrote:
> And others have the right to question the causes of that perception.
Wrong!
I do not have the right to question (say you are wrong) anything you
perceive with your senses.
If you say this steak tastes better than that one, this flower smells
better than that flower, this
edwardthern wrote:
> Bottom line is people have the right to voice their opinion on their on
> subjective perception.
And others have the right to question the causes of that perception.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity'
Julf wrote:
> To quote yourself:
>
>
>
> If you go back to the beginning of the thread, you'll notice that after
> some light-hearted joking not directed at anyone specific, and some
> fact-based and balanced responses, there was this one:
>
>
>
> That was the point where things went
edwardthern wrote:
> The message I posted was on topic and it was you people who attacked
> me
To quote yourself:
edwardthern wrote:
> Wrong!
If you go back to the beginning of the thread, you'll notice that after
some light-hearted joking not directed at anyone specific, and some
edwardthern wrote:
> Wrong!
>
> The message I posted was on topic and it was you people who attacked
> me
>
> Be a man and take responsibility for your attack, don't try and switch
> the blame and take the female victims role.
Yes I did say Sheep, I call it like I see it.
Very few of you
edwardthern wrote:
>
> Be a man and take responsibility for your attack, don't try and switch
> the blame and take the female victims role.
and a sexist troll as well!
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Julf wrote:
> "A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting
> arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or
> off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum,
> chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an
>
edwardthern wrote:
> No I am not a troll, calling me one is a weak and lame tactic.
"A troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting
arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or
off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum,
edwardthern wrote:
> No I am not a troll, calling me one is a weak and lame tactic.
>
I'm of the opinion that if the shoe fits, wear it.
>
> "We can all agree"who are you?
>
People who favor science over superstition, systematic errors, and
myth.
>
> Did I stumble upon a farm of
edwardthern wrote:
>
> Obviously there are strong feelings about this subject and of course its
> been debated for years if not decades or longer.
Actually no circuit designer debates it. Check out
http://www.esstech.com/files/1414/4095/2154/ES9018S_PB_v1.7_140916.pdf
and tell us what does it
d6jg wrote:
> A heard of sheep.
> Was that a deliberate play on words?
Nope that's just my phone's spell check You wouldn't be trolling me
would you?
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A heard of sheep.
Was that a deliberate play on words?
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edwardthern wrote:
> Audiophiles, Audiophools or who ever has a right to comment on what they
> hear and what they like. Message boards all over the net [esp audio
> forums] are over run with these bit-r-bits and measurements mean
> everything people. They attack like a bunch of sharks. No I
Jeff07971 wrote:
>
>
> If we choose to berate edward here it is US who are in the wrong
> surroundings and should maybe just laugh and move on without comment.
>
>
Is correcting his misunderstandings of how audio works "Berating"?
The exact world view that he is espousing is not about
Jeff07971 wrote:
> I accept your respectfull dissagreement :)
>
> I had actually drafted a long response but found myself agreeing with
> you in all aspects ! :)
>
> So I'll bow out !
Don't let him bully you into bowing out.
Audiophiles, Audiophools or who ever has a right to comment on
garym wrote:
> I respectfully disagree. Just because the forum is labeled "audiophile"
> doesn't mean that random, sloppy subjective opinions get to be thrown
> around without challenge. audiophile does not equal anything goes.
>
> The content is not just used by the people posting. I'd want
Jeff07971 wrote:
> Whilst I agree with most of you regarding the subjective performance of
> DAC etc. Edwardtherm has posted in the "Audiophile" section of the
> Forum.
>
> If we choose to berate edward here it is US who are in the wrong
> surroundings and should maybe just laugh and move on
An exchange elsewhere with other "abductees" will be more satisfying in
the long run.
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Apesbrain wrote:
> Exactly. Part of being a responsible adult is to be aware of your
> surroundings. This is a forum the spirit of which is to help people with
> the practical implementation of a Squeezebox/LMS music
> management/distribution system. It is not your personal soapbox for your
>
arnyk wrote:
> Why don't you take your OT posts to a forum that appreciate them, such
> as...
Exactly. Part of being a responsible adult is to be aware of your
surroundings. This is a forum the spirit of which is to help people with
the practical implementation of a Squeezebox/LMS music
edwardthern wrote:
> The vast majority of people share the same subjective opinion.
>
Since you have not provided a shred of evidence to support this claim,
there is no need for anybody in their right mind to give it credibility.
Why don't you take your OT posts to a forum that appreciate
edwardthern wrote:
> This isn't going anywhere.
>
> You guys obviously and not Audiophiles like me:p I think that's the
> first major problem.
>
Typical of the imaginative statements that you make. There is simply not
enough evidence to make this kind of a sweeping claim.
>
> You have all
edwardthern wrote:
> The vast majority of people share the same subjective opinion. Anyone
> can read reviews from various products, in this case I will stick with
> the Audiogd Dacs. General consensus among most everyone that I have read
> are the same relating to the sound signature of the
edwardthern wrote:
> Any more propeller heads here?
>
> Go down the hall to the right and discuss your science please. This
> thread is about listening to music. People here have the right to
> express what their senses perceive.
keep digging deeper ... I'm enjoying this.
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Any more propeller heads here?
Go down the hall to the right and discuss your science please. This
thread is about listening to music. People here have the right to
express what their senses perceive.
edwardthern's
garym wrote:
> In the words of your first grade teacher, ""
Science class is down the hall...bye!
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edwardthern wrote:
> You're in the wrong thread then buddy. This topic is about listening to
> music.
In the words of your first grade teacher, ""
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garym wrote:
> Huh? I just made the point that personal music preference is NOT a
> science. Perhaps improving your reading comprehension would improve your
> educability regarding the science and engineering of music
> *reproduction* technology.
You're in the wrong thread then buddy. This
edwardthern wrote:
> Since when did listening to music become a science?
Huh? I just made the point that personal music preference is NOT a
science. Perhaps improving your reading comprehension would improve your
educability regarding the science and engineering of music
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garym wrote:
> The evidence burden falls upon the person making the claim. You've
> provided no valid evidence for any of your claims. See:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
>
> That said, one is always free to enjoy their own subjective "truths" as
> long as they don't harm
edwardthern wrote:
> That's odd,i remember my first grade teacher saying the same thing.
H, somehow that doesn't surprise me.
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mlsstl wrote:
> You've got a straw man argument.
>
> Subjective opinions are perfectly valid -- but ONLY for the one person
> who expressed them. Unlike repeatable facts, they are not automatically
> transferable to others. This is easily demonstrated by the incessant
> debates among
edwardthern wrote:
> That's odd,i remember my first grade teacher saying the same thing. What
> are you guys talking about?
>
> Kidding aside, some people refuse to understand other points of view
> because they are too dead set on being right.
>
> What these people are saying is subjective
edwardthern wrote:
> What these people are saying is subjective opinions are not valid.
>
> Objective test results are there only valid conclusion because they are
> supported by data.
>
You've got a straw man argument.
Subjective opinions are perfectly valid -- but ONLY for the one person
Mnyb wrote:
> Yes you did a DBT . But there must be something wrong .
>
> Its about probability.
>
> Some parameter is off I did not do the test with you .
>
> That claim is very very improbable, if all conciviable parameters where
> the same and the output really was bit perfect .
>
> By
edwardthern wrote:
> Well for this I did not do a DBT, but I did do a DBT to compare
> Squeezelite and MPD. I posted a thread on that
>
> Because someone could not make a valid argument to explain how I heard a
> difference they claimed it was due to variability in the components in
>
garym wrote:
> I appreciate your valiant efforts Mnyb, but some people simply can't be
> educated.
That's odd,i remember my first grade teacher saying the same thing. What
are you guys talking about?
Kidding aside, some people refuse to understand other points of view
because they are too dead
Mnyb wrote:
> Valid for what ? Not if you want to determine of there realy is a
> difference in reality or if only you perceive that there is one.
>
> Measuring is great its a shortcut if you can do them .
>
> But double blind level matched listening test would also do very well in
> many
Apesbrain wrote:
> Please stop posting this nonsense. It is not welcome here.
Are you the gate keeper?
Its better than posting like this stuff is life and death. You need to
take a deep breath and relax, its really not that serious.
FYI, topics and discussions like this have been going on
edwardthern wrote:
> Look you guys are grabbing at straws. Just because there are a number of
> you who are confused don't make your points valid.
>
> Bottom line = Subjective impressions based on perceptions gained via the
> senses are validPERIOD.
>
>
> CHECK MATE
Valid for what ?
edwardthern wrote:
> Wrong!
>
> 1) Good cooks don't need to measure 2) Measuring to obtain "DATA" to
> justify food A tasting different than food B is not the same as
> measuring for a recipe...LOL
>
> The scenario you mention ie different amounts of ingredients is more
> equal to comparing
This is a crazy argument.
Had it been top Pink Floyd albums and I said my rank was
WYWH
DSOTM
Animals
etc
No one would be arguing about it as clearly the ranking is my ranking
and it is subjective and not measurable in any way.
Someone else might think differently but as there are no
edwardthern wrote:
>
> You guys obviously and not Audiophiles like me:p I think that's the
> first major problem.
Please stop posting this nonsense. It is not welcome here.
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This isn't going anywhere.
You guys obviously and not Audiophiles like me:p I think that's the
first major problem.
You have all said your peace and I do understand where you are coming
fromI used to be a normal person too.
None of you have addressed my question specifically about
edwardthern wrote:
> Wrong!
>
> 1) Good cooks don't need to measure 2) Measuring to obtain "DATA" to
> justify food A tasting different than food B is not the same as
> measuring for a recipe...LOL
>
> The scenario you mention ie different amounts of ingredients is more
> equal to comparing
edwardthern wrote:
> Yes I've heard that theory beforebits-r-bits etc.
>
Nowhere in my post did I in any way refer to the digital domain.
edwardthern wrote:
> However take two DACs that have the same output stage, etc say the
> audiogd ref7 and the nfb7. One uses the PCM1704 chip and the
edwardthern wrote:
> The moment you people bring up measurements you sound ridiculous.
> Imagine people using your logic for the aforementioned topics.
>
We did, you just don't like the logical answers. :)
Feeling warmer and actually being warmer are two different things, and
definitely
edwardthern wrote:
> Look you guys are grabbing at straws. Just because there are a number of
> you who are confused don't make your points valid.
>
> Bottom line = Subjective impressions based on perceptions gained via the
> senses are validPERIOD.
>
Absolutely wrong. For example, try
edwardthern wrote:
> Talking about perception is never a problem with normal people.
>
> People talk about food at restaurants, movies, books, vacation spots
> etc. all the time.no measurement data needed, only perceptional
> views.
>
It's only a problem if you confuse subjective and
Look you guys are grabbing at straws. Just because there are a number of
you who are confused don't make your points valid.
Bottom line = Subjective impressions based on perceptions gained via the
senses are validPERIOD.
You can not pick and choose which to apply needing measurement data
mlsstl wrote:
> First, back in the kitchen, good chefs still measure things. That's why
> the food you like is consistently good.And the best cooks understand the
> scientific basis for choosing, combining and processing the ingredients.
> Just having the original recipe doesn't guarantee good
Mnyb wrote:
> You still misses the piont . For a subjective listenings test to be used
> it must be a level matched DBT . Even better a if a full suite of
> measurements was done, a bunch of guys deluding each other on forum that
> compares DAC tastes does not contain any information at all if
edwardthern wrote:
> Talking about perception is never a problem with normal people.
>
> People talk about food at restaurants, movies, books, vacation spots
> etc. all the time.no measurement data needed, only perceptional
> views.
>
> The moment you people bring up measurements you sound
You still misses the piont . For a subjective listenings test to be used
it must be a level matched DBT . Even better a if a full suite of
measurements was done, a bunch of guys deluding each other on forum that
compares DAC tastes does not contain any information at all if there is
an audible
RonM wrote:
> The problem, of course, is about the very subjectivity you want to talk
> about. As anyone with the slightest knowledge about perception and
> conclusions knows, direct reported experience can be one of the worst
> ways of getting to truth.
>
> It's why "eyewitness" testimony in
The problem, of course, is about the very subjectivity you want to talk
about. As anyone with the slightest knowledge about perception and
conclusions knows, direct reported experience can be one of the worst
ways of getting to truth.
It's why "eyewitness" testimony in courts almost always
Mnyb wrote:
> But that's a sighted review ( with no measurements either ) a typical
> end user testimonial ? It's does not provide any information , because
> the flawed method of testing without catering for normal human
> perceptive biaseses ?
> Was it even level matching ( a
Mnyb wrote:
> But that's a sighted review ( with no measurements either ) a typical
> end user testimonial ? It's does not provide any information , because
> the flawed method of testing without catering for normal human
> perceptive biaseses ?
> Was it even level matching ( a
edwardthern wrote:
> Here is an excerpt from a review which compares 3 dacs made by the same
> company in question "Audiogd". Notice the reviewer mentions the
> different sound signatures from the different dacs which all share the
> same topology and analogue stage but use a different dac chip.
alfista wrote:
> The point is that rating the chips in isolation is for the most part not
> meaningful, the environment you place the chip in often has more impact
> on the result.
> There may be virtually no differences between two chips under ideal
> conditions, while two different
alfista wrote:
> The point is that rating the chips in isolation is for the most part not
> meaningful, the environment you place the chip in often has more impact
> on the result.
> There may be virtually no differences between two chips under ideal
> conditions, while two different
The point is that rating the chips in isolation is for the most part not
meaningful, the environment you place the chip in often has more impact
on the result.
There may be virtually no differences between two chips under ideal
conditions, while two different implementations with the same chip
edwardthern wrote:
> So um what's your point?
>
> All DAC chips sound the same and 1534s sound bad?
No. Most DAC chips can be made to sound the same (audibly transparent)
if used properly. Some older designs require care, and some tend to be
used in ways that cause audible coloration.
>
arnyk wrote:
> Most of the above is about how identical sounding hardware can be
> perceived as sounding different and ranked by someone who will not hold
> to the relevant Science (is he ignorant of it or just plain willfull?)
> which says that they are sonically indistinguishable.
>
> In the
edwardthern wrote:
> I've had quite a few Dacs over the years, as many people probably had
> too.
>
> I've heard different implementations of the Sabre chip, from mellow with
> the Wadia Dac to slightly on the hard side. I've heard a few Dacs with
> AD chips, they tend to sound very lively and
Yes DAC design and chips can be interesting with the rigth aproach ( i
dont design dac hardware so i cant contribute )
Hint its not like changing pickups on a turntable , with the rigth
design of the complete DAC you yield similar and god results ( a humanly
transparent DAC with low noise and
DJanGo wrote:
> 142 posts in < 40 days - most of them with funny content.
>
> Why you didnt spend your time to understand the lms eco system and
> improve your knowledge for the benefit of others?
> eg. writing some code for the weekly updates?
Hm just for kicks how could someone
DJanGo wrote:
> 142 posts in < 40 days - most of them with funny content.
>
> Why you didnt spend your time to understand the lms eco system and
> improve your knowledge for the benefit of others?
> eg. writing some code for the weekly updates?
who me?
write code for weekly updates? nah I'm
142 posts in < 40 days - most of them with funny content.
Why you didnt spend your time to understand the lms eco system and
improve your knowledge for the benefit of others?
eg. writing some code for the weekly updates?
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