I see - your explanation makes sense to me (the separate signals going
straight back into the same circuit in the amp).
What Hi-Fi doesn't seem to agree that it takes two amp circuits to
benefit:
http://www.whathifi.com/newsMainTemplate.asp?storyID=59newssectionID=3
Impeller;162587 Wrote:
So I've been hoodwinked by popular media?
Still, at least at least it shouldn't adversely affect anything. I'm
just about to go and have a listen at more normal volume levels now
that the family isn't in bed.
No, you've not been hoodwinked. Just be clear about
Yes, I was under the impression biamping makes more of a difference
which seemed logical. And a friend seems sure he's heard a difference
in biwiring his (cheaper) equipment.
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Impeller;162592 Wrote:
Yes, I was under the impression biamping makes more of a difference
which seemed logical. And a friend seems sure he's heard a difference
in biwiring his (cheaper) equipment.
The reason for bi-wiring is (was?) that you could use different cables
for treble and bass.
Thanks tomis42. I'm not feeling ripped off or anything anyway - it
sounds awesome to me and we haven't even put the spikes or Atabites
high density filler material in the stands yet. I'm hoping this will
give the music a fuller, heavier sound (particularly with regards to
bass) which I'm informed
Impeller;162587 Wrote:
So I've been hoodwinked by popular media?
I don't know if hoodwinked is the right word. If you read this forum
much, or any audiophile discussion, you'll find disagreement on nearly
everything. I think everyone is sincere, but people honestly disagree.
Some people
Hmm, very interesting. Thanks opaqueice.
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Bob Bressler;162706 Wrote:
Tom,
Isn't the issue reflections at different frequencies? Or, is that
something else that modern cables do better?
I'm not sure what's meant by modern cables - a wire is a wire. For
interconnects the shielding can be important, but speaker cables are
really
All the stuff is here now (apart from the new interconnect cable) and
I'm looking forward to trying it out when my brother gets home and
opens the speakers (they're his, amp's mine).
However, if someone could clarify the speaker wiring situation that
would be great...
The Epos M12.2 speakers
Impeller;162417 Wrote:
Speaker A row of 4 terminals:
Left-
Left+
Right-
Right+
Speaker B row of 4 terminals:
Left-
Left+
Right-
Right+
Here's how I *think* the connections should go:
Speaker A Left- and Left+ OUTPUTS to left SPEAKER
Speaker A Right- and Right+ OUTPUTS to
Impeller;162417 Wrote:
(I feel embarrased posting this in the audiophiles section, but it
seemed appropriate to keep it in this topic of mine.)
Unless the Rotel has two separate amps inside it, one connected to the
A outs and one to the B, biwiring won't make the slightest bit of
Thanks Tomsi42. It's all set up and working - Embrace currently playing.
Even at this early stage and low volume, the detail, clarity and stereo
imaging is brilliant. I'll leave the speakers playing for most of
tomorrow.
Thanks for all the help and advice everyone - I'm certainly glad we
spent
Impeller;162535 Wrote:
opaqueice - are you saying that two amps are always required for
biwiring to make an appreciable difference, or just that we could've
used only speaker A outputs with biwire cable?
Both, actually. Most amps with an A/B speaker option just have the A
and B terminals
I'm just about to buy an interconnect cable to go between the SB and the
RA-06 amp. I see the SB has optical outputs - are these of any relevance
or can I only use the standard phono cable?
Thanks, and sorry for the noobie question.
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Impeller;161563 Wrote:
I'm just about to buy an interconnect cable to go between the SB and the
RA-06 amp. I see the SB has optical outputs - are these of any relevance
or can I only use the standard phono cable?
Thanks, and sorry for the noobie question.
Use phono - the optical output is
Ah, I see. Thanks Adam.
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Me again. :)
My brother, a friend and myself went to Sevenoaks this morning as
planned, and here's what happened for anyone who's interested.
We listened to the Rotel RA-05 with Monitor Audio BR2 speakers. We were
expecting good things as they had received much praise from What Hi-Fi.
Verdit:
Congratulation on your new kit. Paired with a SB3, it should give you
years of musical enjoyment ;)
It was good that you were able to compare Rotel and Arcam directly; it
makes it easier to decide.
Another positive thing is that you spent some money on good cables and
solid stands.
Tom
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Here's a brief summary of the experience in-shop:
Their cheapest amp turned out to -be- the Arcam A70 (£500), so we
listened with that. I don't know why - I had given him an idea of our
budget - but the rather unenthusiastic sales gentleman decided to plug
in some Totem speakers costing £600. We
Impeller;159588 Wrote:
According to the staff, the British electronics and build beats Rotel by
a long way. Anyway; we're listening to a RA-05 and some Monitor Audio
BR2s elsewhere this Friday.
As always, your input is welcome. Thanks.
Ah, he used the Buy British line... If I remember
Here I go...
[Glues credit card into wallet]
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Impeller;158351 Wrote:
They don't tend to deal with Rotel anymore - apparently, although the
equipment was good, their customer service was terrible, and customers
were left waiting for items.
My customer service experience with Rotel was excellent, although not
the typical, It's broken, and
I've just spoken to someone from Rayleigh Hi-Fi and we're going this
Friday. :)
They don't tend to deal with Rotel anymore - apparently, although the
equipment was good, their customer service was terrible, and customers
were left waiting for items.
They like the Arcam A70 amplifier a lot at
ceejay;157914 Wrote:
I think this thread may have just broken the record for longest thread
without any disagreement on this forum... ;)
To inject the mandatory daily ration of disagreement, I quote Monty
Python:
No you didn't.
Yes I did.
No you didn't.
Yes I did.
This isn't an argument.
Yes
Impeller;158351 Wrote:
They don't tend to deal with Rotel anymore - apparently, although the
equipment was good, their customer service was terrible, and customers
were left waiting for items.
This is important. Even the best products can fail, so excellent
customer service is important
Impeller;158351 Wrote:
(some of which are, again, over our budget, but hey... I can always say
'no'. Right?).
Have fun. But keep a tight hold on your credit card: going into an
expensive toyshop can be bad for your wealth! Ever been to a timeshare
presentation? ;)
Ceejay
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For more detailed advice, why not let us know:
- What kind of music you like. If you have lots of parties with drum
and bass, you need a different system to a folk music lover. Most
systems, though, should be good for most kinds of music. Do you like
to play music really loud?
- How big the
adamslim;158056 Wrote:
For more detailed advice, why not let us know:
Thanks Adam - what a helpful place this is. :)
adamslim;158056 Wrote:
- What kind of music you like.
I started to type out a list, but it's everything (barring mindless pop
drivel). Electronic, rock, classical... a bit of
Well I'd agree that a bookshelf speaker would make sense in that
size/layout room. I have always liked the small Dynaudios - I think
their Audience 42 is about £400 for the pair (not sure where you are
located - should have asked that!).
I use a pair of Harbeth HL-P3ES speakers in my kitchen
adamslim;158100 Wrote:
I have always liked the small Dynaudios - I think their Audience 42 is
about £400 for the pair (not sure where you are located - should have
asked that!).
Yes; it seems they're the cheapest Dynaudios, and that would
realistically be our upper limit. So they'd be
Impeller;158147 Wrote:
Yes; it seems they're the cheapest Dynaudios, and that would
realistically be our upper limit. So they'd be substantially better
than the Monitor Audio Bronze 2s (£200) with, say, a Rotel RA-05?
I'm in Braintree, Essex; if anyone knows good places to listen and buy
Impeller;158147 Wrote:
Yes; it seems they're the cheapest Dynaudios, and that would
realistically be our upper limit. So they'd be substantially better
than the Monitor Audio Bronze 2s (£200) with, say, a Rotel RA-05?
I'm in Braintree, Essex; if anyone knows good places to listen and buy
adamslim;158175 Wrote:
Make sure you take some great music along, and have fun! Let us know
what you like there.
Adam
Yes. This is important. Bring your own music: the music that makes you
want to party, the music that makes you cry, the music that makes you
relax, the music that just
Impeller;157835 Wrote:
I'm hoping to purchase my first 'real' hifi equipment, which will be
something like this:
Rotel RA05 amplifier
Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 speakers
Reasonably priced speaker stands
Is it likely I'll hear a difference between the Squeezebox and the
Transporter with a
Impeller;157835 Wrote:
I'm hoping to purchase my first 'real' hifi equipment, which will be
something like this:
Rotel RA05 amplifier
Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 speakers
Reasonably priced speaker stands
Is it likely I'll hear a difference between the Squeezebox and the
Transporter with a
tomsi42;157840 Wrote:
I think the transport would be overkill for that system. If I were in
your position, I would use the price difference between the SB3 and
the transporter in better amplifier and speakers. Staying with Rotel, I
can recommend the Rotel RA-1072 amplifier.
There are many
Okay, thanks for saving me from myself. It's just that the 'free
Squeezebox with a Transporter' promotion caught my eye!
If you have any suggestions for the power supply and external DAC I'd
appreciate hearing them. Thanks again.
Edit: I see you've already put some forward, although those terms
Gosh what agreement, and I shall add to it. The SB3 is fine to drive a
£2k system.
I would get the SB3, plus an amp and speakers that use up only 75% of
your budget. Live with it for a month, and tweak (PSU, DAC, better
cables etc) only if you actually really want much better sounds. Get
into
Impeller;157835 Wrote:
I'm no audiophile (yet)
Think twice boy! Joining the dark side may end your well sorted
lifestyle you may be in atm. Me thinks destroyed more synapses from
finding the holy audio grail than from excessive drinking!
One recommendation though is you really take your time
I absolutely concur.
tomsi42;157840 Wrote:
I think the transport would be overkill for that system. If I were in
your position, I would use the price difference between the SB3 and
the transporter in better amplifier and speakers. Staying with Rotel, I
can recommend the Rotel RA-1072
I think this thread may have just broken the record for longest thread
without any disagreement on this forum... ;)
Ceejay
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tomsi42;157840 Wrote:
Staying with Rotel, I can recommend the Rotel RA-1072 amplifier.
Was it the RA-1062 you meant? The 1072 seems to be the matching CD
player.
Would the amp upgrade really make much difference at this level?
Wouldn't I be better off sticking with the cheaper amp and
Cheaper amp, better speakers, cheaper amp, better speakers. The
differences between amps is nuance compared to the differences between
speakers and even the same speakers differently positioned within a
room.
You've got a respectable source; get the best speakers you can; think
about optimizing
Impeller;157919 Wrote:
Was it the RA-1062 you meant? The 1072 seems to be the matching CD
player.
You are right. It's the RA-1062 I was thinking of.
Impeller;157919 Wrote:
Would the amp upgrade really make much difference at this level?
Wouldn't I be better off sticking with the
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