Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

No. They break it down by state only. Out of the 34, 26 were listed as nil injury, 4 minor and 4 major. It’s on the bottom corner of page 45. I thinks there are some typo’s on some of the row headings for Damage and Injury. I do recall hearing the figure of 30 hrs per pilot per

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

any breakdown on the 23 in regard if any were at comps and how many fatalities? > On 4 Mar 2016, at 2:46 PM, Anthony Smith > wrote: > > From the Feb-Mar 2016 issue of Gliding Australia: > > From 1 Oct 15 to 30 Nov 15: There were 34 reported accidents and

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Stop embarrassing yourself. Mike At 02:24 PM 3/4/2016, you wrote: if an action was bought, they would just stop selling them here. not a good outcome. and who would fund that little exercise anyway Mike, I hear you going to open source all your code..is that true? On 4 Mar 2016, at 00

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

At 02:21 PM 3/4/2016, you wrote: The Gliding International magazine breaks it down further X-country pilots1820 Comp pilots 500 (probably a sub set of x-country pilots) Instructors 600 (also probably a sub-set of x-country pilots - but not guaranteed) I

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If it is who I think it is they are a bunch of very smart guys and I've met one of them. The lab will be a proper facility. If a traffic awareness system is mandated it should be open protocol. Real aviation ones are. The present situation causes a nasty situation for those doing any

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

If the active pilots estimate is based on GFA memberships, does it include AEFs? GFA membership figures I've seen certainly used to include them. I think for the purposes of this fatalities-per-km-flown calculation we're trying to figure out, AEFs should be omitted since they're not exactly

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

>From the Feb-Mar 2016 issue of Gliding Australia: >From 1 Oct 15 to 30 Nov 15: There were 34 reported accidents and incidents. Of these: In flight 2 Launch 5 Ground Ops 1 Landing23 Outlanding 3 I haven’t found the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

yes, it is recommended that all budding and novice Comp pilots complete a Speedweek or similar before their first Comp. when Paul Mander runs Speedweek there is emphasis is on Comp preparation. Final Glides and FG planning is part of that. A great place with a structured low stress

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

>From my observations, circuit finishes happen most often with novice competition pilots who are not yet comfortable with straight-ins and / or unable to fine-tune the final glide arriving with too much altitude. Sometimes you may also see this when the designated duty runway  is so congested that

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Yes, it is being circulated around the GFA e-mail addresses. Anthony From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 4 March 2016 12:45 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

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I saw it on rec.aviation.soaring yesterday. I can't answer the points about crypto etc (not my field of expertise) but I'd like to see the data they base their claim on. They say it's been tested and confirmed by "very accurate tests in private laboratories" but they don't say how, or by who.

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

Making it anywhere from 50 to 80 km/hr isn't going to change things by all that much. Call it a good physics order of magnitude estimate. It is better than that actually. Mike At 11:51 AM 3/4/2016, you wrote: On 4/03/2016 12:07 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: I doubt you'll find glider crash

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

Yeah, it can happen, but only on good blue days, when your normal inter-thermal glide speed is about 100 knots or so, and you are already on, or close to, final glide . If your VNE is say 135 knots, and you find/stumble upon a nice energy line in the blue, you can be at VNE surprisingly

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

not a suggestion to start Mark, more a reminder to self as much as anyone else that's it's important never to be complacent. > On 4 Mar 2016, at 11:54 AM, Mark Newton wrote: > >> On Mar 4, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: >> 6) is it more

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

I doubt you'll find glider crash rates per km. Hours, yes. What is the average speed of a motorcycle on the roads. I'll say 60km/h based on driving a car with a car computer a few times. That gives you around one crash per 1600 hours or so for motorcycles. I guess this is crashes not

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

>It's possible, by changing the finish rules, to reduce the accidents >relating to low finishes. Is it? How did you establish this? > Why not do it? The rules were changed in response to the recent accidents. We went from a 0ft 3km finish, to a 200-500ft 3km finish. (Keeping in mind 3km is not

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

On 4/03/2016 10:44 AM, DMcD wrote: And I don't think you could compare gliding with motorcycle riding (racing maybe). In terms of deaths per hundred thousand rider or comp pilot hours, you'd find a difference of several orders of magnitude. We have what
 2500 pilots active in Australia?

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

On Mar 4, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: > 6) is it more likely that on going attention, education, reeducation and > simulation will have positive effect towards reducing these events > > Yes There’s been rather a lot of ongoing attention, education,

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

expect for the rare occasion, if you come in with that much energy on final glide in a comp, then you screwed up the planning of the final glide > On 4 Mar 2016, at 11:42 AM, Jarek Mosiejewski wrote: > > There are no low level finished in the comps, the vast majority

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

There are no low level finished in the comps, the vast majority of comp finishes are straight-ins which are really long finals.  The rest, for people who have too much energy for a straight in, they are regular circuits. Most comps explicitly forbid low level, high energy finishes (aka bit ups).

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

You initial statement when the evidence is presented and understood correctly you may find is falsely assumed. As Simon pointed out, ensure you have all the evidence before you assume a conclusion. Get the data as it been gathered, then resume this discussion and see if you are chasing the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

On Mar 3, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > Also I really liked your guest article in the last AOPA magazine. > Can you post it here? Sure. I haven’t seen it in print, so I don’t know how they edited it, but here’s the original copy: "Things that irk

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

>>"More people die in comps than during non-competition flying" >>I do not think you can defend this statement with numbers. OK, perhaps a bit of clarification is needed. It's probable that the statistics overall are not enough to prove anything one way or another. However… There have been a

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

Possibly not. The correct metric is per exposure hour. Mike At 09:44 AM 3/4/2016, you wrote: "More people die in comps than during non-competition flying" I do not think you can defend this statement with numbers. Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: "Discussion of issues

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On Mar 4, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: > > If this question is asked on the GFA form list, the actual numbers can be > quickly produced Can’t they be quickly produced here too? - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing

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If this question is asked on the GFA form list, the actual numbers can be quickly produced > On 4 Mar 2016, at 10:44 AM, Jarek Mosiejewski wrote: > > "More people die in comps than during non-competition flying" > > I do not think you can defend this statement with

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

nicely put mate! > On 3 Mar 2016, at 11:00 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote: > > Hi Mike, > As usual, good robust discussion. > > Re the 3 km finish circle for competitions, please CAREFULLY re-read Matt > Gage’s post on this. > > My comment is that this arrangement

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

Well that's it, I am now on the floor hugging myself, I have s_at myself, the floor is nice and safe for now and my ears are ringing from maniacal induced laughter. Briefing briefing briefing ahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah Justin Sent from my iPad > On 3 Mar 2016, at 10:00 PM,

Re: [Aus-soaring] Potential dangers in the sport of gliding

Hi Mike, As usual, good robust discussion. Re the 3 km finish circle for competitions, please CAREFULLY re-read Matt Gage's post on this. My comment is that this arrangement "just did not happen", but is in fact the end result of a process of evolution that spans many years of