Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Stuart Kerri Ferguson
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Kruyssen Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2008 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA I am dead against funding international teams out

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Stuart Kerri Ferguson
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of harry medlicott Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2008 4:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA Our experience at Lake Keepit is that with a bit of an effort on the part of instructors we get

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Newton
On 16/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, harry medlicott wrote: Our experience at Lake Keepit is that with a bit of an effort on the part of instructors we get a quite reasonable conversion rate from AEFs. We also need the money. Also where would our new members come from if it wasn't through

[Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Mal Bruce
Some clubs would have bought a few books prior to the price rise forward thinking. More power to the RAA enjoying flying the Jabiru 230 :) Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details,

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Dave Boulter
ed at $150 and the club is still kept busy doing flights. K From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:40 +1000 Subject: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA   AEF’s are a main source of revenue for some clubs in bo

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Dave Boulter
ts. K From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:40 +1000 Subject: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA AEF's are a main source of revenue for some clubs in both dollars and attracting n

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Dave Boulter
At SCGC we have success with 5 and 10 flight packages. We find some AEFs take the 5 flight package as they see better value. I agree, in regards to the target market problem. There are "samplers" who will never join anything. I also find it funny reading Golf Australia where they are

[Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Barry Kruyssen
AEF's are a main source of revenue for some clubs in both dollars and attracting new members. This is a blatant grab for club dollars by GFA, taking revenue straight out of the clubs. In small clubs the cost of operating will most likely be in the red and are being propped up by donations

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Kevin McGowan
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:40 +1000Subject: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA AEF’s are a main source of revenue for some clubs in both dollars and attracting new members. This is a blatant grab for club dollars by GFA, taking revenue straight out

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread D S Baker
@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:40 +1000 Subject: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA AEF's are a main source of revenue for some clubs in both dollars and attracting new members. This is a blatant grab for club dollars by GFA, taking revenue straight out of the clubs. In small

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Matthew Gage
for the experience only and will pay whatever is asked, I have seen flights charged at $150 and the club is still kept busy doing flights. K From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:02:40 +1000 Subject: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Kym
Dear all, I have been watching this topic with interest as I wrote to the GFA on behalf of Renmark Gliding Club committee for clarification when the (one sentence) letter was sent out "explaining" the increases. Regardless of whether AEF charges should increase or not, the annual membership

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Scott Penrose
I am not sure whether we should or not support overseas teams, but I would like to argue against the reasoning here - mainly that you claim there is no benefit to individual members. If you used that argument then we would not be paying tax. Or in a club sense, as a private owner I should pay

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Barry Kruyssen
in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA Dear all, I have been watching this topic with interest as I wrote to the GFA on behalf of Renmark Gliding Club committee for clarification when the (one sentence) letter was sent out explaining the increases. Regardless

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Matthew Gage
Terry, no idea on the break down, and frankly I don't care. I know that there is a proportion of insurance to cover me as an instructor against a personal claim from the passenger (or their estate if I do a good enough job of messing up). This is insurance that a) I doubt I could actually

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Kym
Some very good points Scott, but please don't compare essential services such as health care with a pilot wanting to enter an overseas competition.  I was not arguing about any other service paid by clubs which may not be used by all - all of these clearly benefit the club as a whole.  I

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Kym
October 2008 1:35 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA Dear all, I have been watching this topic with interest as I wrote to the GFA on behalf of Renmark Gliding Club committee for clarification when the (one

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Guy Harley
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Gage Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2008 1:56 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA Terry, no idea on the break down, and frankly I don't care. I know that there is a proportion

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread John Giddy
to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA Terry, no idea on the break down, and frankly I don't care. I know that there is a proportion of insurance to cover me as an instructor against a personal claim from the passenger (or their estate if I do a good enough

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread Guy Harley
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA However, such third party cover on the glider insurance now usually has a $250,000 excess, as they expect the GFA BBL to cough up before they do. John G. -- I am using the free version

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-15 Thread harry medlicott
was the catchcry of the American War of Independence, Harry - Original Message - From: Kevin McGowan To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA Lets get real here, it is a well