Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Stuart Kerri Ferguson
I would prefer the GFA put the funding they currently direct into sponsoring our international teams, most of whom could afford to pay their own way, towards sponsoring the Juniors - these guys and gals are the future of our sport. That would be development :-) SDF _ From:

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Stuart Kerri Ferguson
Harry, From my observations most clubs (including my own) do not have an effective new membership strategy How many have and AEI potential membership package? How many follow up with AEIs that are assessed as genuine potential new members? The list goes onprofessional

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Mark Newton
On 16/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, harry medlicott wrote: Our experience at Lake Keepit is that with a bit of an effort on the part of instructors we get a quite reasonable conversion rate from AEFs. We also need the money. Also where would our new members come from if it wasn't through

[Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread Texler, Michael
In my experience, long-term members are people who always wanted to learn how to fly, but never knew they could do it as accessibly as gliding. Kids, sailors and motorcycle riders tend to be disproportionately represented. I think it has been mentioned before, that posters for the local

Re: [Aus-soaring] (no subject)

2008-10-16 Thread Robert Hart
harry medlicott wrote: Robert, What you are saying is just not correct. You should know better than try and justify this charge on the basis that its being paid by people other than GFA members. The price charged intro flights is inelastic - you just can't raise it by $20. The money comes

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread Matthew Gage
I don't think there is anything wrong with either group - it just helps to know which someone is in so the training and experience is tailored for what they are after ! The best way of getting people for the long term is 1st making sure they know what is in store for them - having someone

[Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Mal Bruce
Some clubs would have bought a few books prior to the price rise forward thinking. More power to the RAA enjoying flying the Jabiru 230 :) Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details,

[Aus-soaring] Our Condolences

2008-10-16 Thread Mal Bruce
Dear Nick, Just passing on our condolences. Hope your mending as well. Thinking of you mate. Mal and Stephanie and Baby Leigha Bruce___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread Gus Stewart
I think when it comes to retention, areas like the Air Training Corps are sorely overlooked. They (NSW) run approximately 4-6 courses a year, with about 15-25 students per course. I'm not sure about other states. Here we have a large amount of flying-crazy youngsters, and barely any of them join

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Dave Boulter
$180 at SCGC. We get enough. /daveb Kevin McGowan wrote: Lets get real here, it is a well known fact, and stated on this forum many times previously that AEF's result in few new members to gliding, in fact often they just clog up the day but we do them in the hope that maybe this one will

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread Dave Long Cath Lincoln
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Texler, Michael Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2008 6:51 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention,and my own recriutment, retention

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread Ben Jones
I think i may be able to help with this one. My background as a 15 year old learnt to fly Blaniks L-13 With the AIRTC, 16 yrs of went powered and continued to fly with the AIRTC for the next 15 years as a cadet then as a adult instructor, and now in a instructing role. The big problem in

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Dave Boulter
That did happen to SCGC for a period of time. We used to have too many AEFs and not enough trg or private flying. I still remember the meetings where people would say that we will never get an AEF again. Well we do. Enough, to have bought quite a few new gliders till recently. AEFs have

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread McLean Richard
Hi Gus Having been introduced to the sport through this path myself 20 odd years ago I think the reality is that the majority of these kids just want to fly F/A-18's, and also they are unlikely to be in a position to, or have the desire to, get seriously into gliding for some time. A definite

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread McLean Richard
Hi Michael I think these 2 comments of yours are spot on: The other group of people to target are those who have been more active in gliding or other aviation related activity in the past. The task would be then to reignite their passion and interest. The challenge for the gliding movement in

Re: [Aus-soaring] (no subject)

2008-10-16 Thread Stuart Kerri Ferguson
Robert, I it depends on where you are. Close to major cities where there is a large populations with surplus disposal income your right In the rural areas - not the case. In our case 98% of our AEI Joy Flights come from Canberra 100km away, 1% from Cooma 15Km away and 1%

Re: [Aus-soaring] (no subject)

2008-10-16 Thread harry medlicott
- Original Message - From: Robert Hart To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: aus Soaring ; Robert Hart Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] (no subject) harry medlicott wrote: Robert, What you are saying

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread vhgnj
Michael Did you notice engineers are also disproportionally represented, but thats a good thing because they're so easy to take the mickey out of and we need the entertainment! Grant Harper -Original Message- From: Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating

Re: [Aus-soaring] Retention, recruitment and the pPrune thread

2008-10-16 Thread Mike Cleaver
But the F/A 18 guys will eventually return to gliding when they become airline pilots in 15 - 20 years time and what something that is fun and gives them real stick and rudder time. Those that can't afford that or don't go to the RAAF will maybe come back to sailplanes when they get too old

Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF Charges - $20 to GFA

2008-10-16 Thread Dave Boulter
At SCGC we have success with 5 and 10 flight packages. We find some AEFs take the 5 flight package as they see better value. I agree, in regards to the target market problem. There are "samplers" who will never join anything. I also find it funny reading Golf Australia where they are

[Aus-soaring] SA deadline

2008-10-16 Thread Anne Elliott
A reminder that articles for inclusion in the December issue of Soaring Australia should reach me by October 25 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards AnneE Keith Dixon and Anne Elliott (GFA Sub-editor Soaring Australia magazine) PO Box 189 Narromine NSW 2821 Australia Email: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [Aus-soaring] Funding for coaching

2008-10-16 Thread Future Aviation
Hello all I have been watching the debate with great interest and feel that it might help if contributors have a better insight into the funding of our international teams and coaching in general. If I understand the GFA president correctly there is about $ 35000.00 per annum allocated to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Targetting Groups for retention, and my own recriutment, retention story

2008-10-16 Thread Gus Stewart
Hi Rob (and others) I think SA is probably the only state where the junior movement really has any momentum, and that's due to a) having critical mass, b) a university gliding club and b) good resources. So I guess what I'm referring to at the moment is the other AIRTC wings, in particular

[Aus-soaring] German teenager crashed glider into tree

2008-10-16 Thread Tom Wilksch
German teenager has been rescued three hours after her glider crashed into a tree. The 16-year-old flight trainee was applauded by rescue workers as she leapt onto a rope to descend from the glider. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7674453.stm ___