[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: USCIS Proposed Fee hikes

[Cheri Mello]

(Cross posted to Azores, Maderia, and IslandRoutes lists)

The fees for the United States Naturalization records are under review and
the new increase will cost us over $600! We have *ONE WEEK* to write and
complain. Below are some articles.

Dick Eastman's article:
https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/

Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/

Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, blogged about this again. She says:

<>
Full article here.
https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/12/02/fight-the-fee-hikes/

Then someone (Ronnie French? Elaine Mello?) posted this.
>

I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every couple of days
until December 16th! All U.S. researchers need to write in!!

Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:30 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> (Cross posted to Madeira and Island Routes lists)
>
> Dick Eastman, as well as Judy Russell (The Legal Genealogist) wrote about
> the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization records. The new fees are
> ridiculous! Over $600 total!!
>
> Dick Eastman's article:
>
> https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
>
> Judy Russell's article with a place to complain (with samples and writing
> prompts). You must complete this by MONDAY, DECEMBER 16.
> https://www.legalgenealogist.com/2019/11/21/records-not-revenue/
>
> My cousin followed Judy's advice and emailed Reclaim the Records. She said:
> < their lawyers about this.  Apparently, a lot of these records should have
> been turned over to NARA a while ago, but they urge everyone to comment on
> the https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/? page in the hopes that they can
> in the short term stop the increase while they work on the long term to
> release the records.>>
>
> 1) Go to https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/?  (Yes, the question mark is
> part of the URL). Read the information.
>
> 2) Open another tab with the writing prompts at:
> https://www.recordsnotrevenue.com/conversation-starters/
> (I blended a couple of them together).
>
> 3) Then submit it via their portal. This must be done by DECEMBER 16th!
>
> I'm going to keep sending this email to the list(s) every few days until
> December 16th!
>
> Thank you to all who will take the 5-10 minutes to write in!
> Cheri Mello, An avid, hard-core, die-hard genealogist
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

[Cheri Mello]

Wow, I've never seen a divorce before!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 4:20 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Maybe 'Separado' de pessoas e bens...
>
> Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia segunda, 9/12/2019
> à(s) 23:12:
>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I'm assuming nº 2 is a divorce. I can't understand the first word, but
>> the followings are «(...) de pessoas e bens por sentença de 24 de Novembro
>> de 1953 por sentença do tribunal desta Comarca.»
>>
>> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>> escreveu no dia segunda, 9/12/2019 à(s) 22:32:
>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have
>>> the 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
>>> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death
>>> on 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I
>>> can’t decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something
>>> of November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out
>>> what note #2 is saying?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>
>>> Side note Sam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

[Ângela Loura]

Maybe 'Separado' de pessoas e bens...

Ângela Loura  escreveu no dia segunda, 9/12/2019
à(s) 23:12:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I'm assuming nº 2 is a divorce. I can't understand the first word, but the
> followings are «(...) de pessoas e bens por sentença de 24 de Novembro de
> 1953 por sentença do tribunal desta Comarca.»
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia segunda, 9/12/2019 à(s) 22:32:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have
>> the 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
>> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death
>> on 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I
>> can’t decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something
>> of November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out
>> what note #2 is saying?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Side note Sam
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I'm assuming nº 2 is a divorce. I can't understand the first word, but the
followings are «(...) de pessoas e bens por sentença de 24 de Novembro de
1953 por sentença do tribunal desta Comarca.»

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia segunda, 9/12/2019 à(s) 22:32:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
>
>
>
> Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the
> 1st sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31
> October 1937.  I can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on
> 6 March 1973 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t
> decipher.  I think it says something happened on the twenty something of
> November of 1953.  Is that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what
> note #2 is saying?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Side note Sam
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html

Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the 1st 
sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31 October 1937.  I 
can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on 6 March 1973 in 
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t decipher.  I think 
it says something happened on the twenty something of November of 1953.  Is 
that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what note #2 is saying?

Thanks for your help, 
Side note Sam

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

But can you see the estimate for a match?  I haven’t been able to
Debbie

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:56 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> FTDNA calls the ethnicity estimates "My Origins."
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:31 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
> jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sharon and Kathy,
>>
>> My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
>> with North Africa and the countries and islands in the Mediterranean.
>> There would have been interbreeding of course.
>>
>> Using FTDNA you get the cM of the segment length of shared DNA.  I think
>> comparing the matches  from there would help give some idea of whether
>> other families have the same thing and perhaps how recent the  matches are.
>>
>>
>> Does FTDNA have a function that shows the origin countries of matches?
>> Something like Ancestries?   I haven’t found it.
>>
>> In closing, my husband‘s DNA origins keep changing and fine tuning as it
>> gets more users to compare to.   His earlier ITALIAN is gone and more
>> Iberian Peninsula is the result.   I suspect a “full” Italian would have
>> similar changes.  We haven’t found any links to the small but significant
>> bit of European he has.  His grandfather (1869-1947) born on São Miguel was
>> quite tall and does not look very Portuguese.   We thought we would find a
>> hint by now.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>>
>> Researching
>> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta
>> Delgada, later Hawaii and California
>> 2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a
>>> little bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to
>>> be from the Iberian Peninsula.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>> *
>>> Sent to you from my iPhone
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
>>> much.
>>>
>>> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
>>> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
>>> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
>>> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
>>> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
>>> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
>>> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
>>> my ancestors.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[Cheri Mello]

FTDNA calls the ethnicity estimates "My Origins."
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:31 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <
jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sharon and Kathy,
>
> My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
> with North Africa and the countries and islands in the Mediterranean.
> There would have been interbreeding of course.
>
> Using FTDNA you get the cM of the segment length of shared DNA.  I think
> comparing the matches  from there would help give some idea of whether
> other families have the same thing and perhaps how recent the  matches are.
>
>
> Does FTDNA have a function that shows the origin countries of matches?
> Something like Ancestries?   I haven’t found it.
>
> In closing, my husband‘s DNA origins keep changing and fine tuning as it
> gets more users to compare to.   His earlier ITALIAN is gone and more
> Iberian Peninsula is the result.   I suspect a “full” Italian would have
> similar changes.  We haven’t found any links to the small but significant
> bit of European he has.  His grandfather (1869-1947) born on São Miguel was
> quite tall and does not look very Portuguese.   We thought we would find a
> hint by now.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
> Researching
> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada,
> later Hawaii and California
> 2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Sharon
>>
>> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little
>> bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from
>> the Iberian Peninsula.
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>> *
>> Sent to you from my iPhone
>> *
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
>> much.
>>
>> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
>> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
>> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
>> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
>> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
>> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
>> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
>> my ancestors.
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help RequestedforBride's Family

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Butt in any time Sam.   Thanks to both of you for the considerable time it
took.

Deb



On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:47 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Whoops, I see now that Cheri already answered you on this.  Excuse me
> please for butting in.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
> *Sent: *Monday, December 9, 2019 11:43 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help
> RequestedforBride's Family
>
>
>
> Debbie;  I see; he of he age of 23, single, peasant, legitimate son of
> Jose Luis, now dead, and Ana da Concecao, paternal grandparents, Luis de
> Sousa and Marianna de Pimentel, maternal of Antonio de Sousa and Maria da
> Concecao, I mean (digo) da Encarcecao, residents of Becodo Medonho (not at
> all sure of the spelling there) she, (the bride) of the age of 21 years,
> single, resident of Figueidas (spelling again) legitimate daughter of
> Antonio Cabral and of Theresa Julia, (women didn’t use surnames in this
> period) paternal grandparents, Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina, maternal
> Francisco de Pereira and Maria Magdelina, baptized in the parochial church
> of Our Lady of Deliverance (Nossa Senhora da Livramento), of the same place
> and he in San Rogue in the same place (in other words on the same island),
> where they were released from the last 3 lenten obligations ( the rest is
> pretty much boiler plate about them being pronounced man and wife and it
> being recorded, etc. and the witnesses names, etc.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps and hope if I’ve gone wrong with spelling or anything,
> someone more knowledgeable will correct me.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Jesse Mendonca 
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 8, 2019 8:19 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested
> forBride's Family
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have previously figured out the *groom's family *from the very complete
> family list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I
> was so excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ
> surname was taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I
> have hit a stumbling block.
>
>
>
> My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help
> translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In
> trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco
> do Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a
> specific place.
>
>
>
>
>
> Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't
> tell where the* bride's family* begins or is she even included at all?  I
> felt that it may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out
> and it continues with info I can't quite get:
>
>
>
> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
>
> -- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of
> Cabral?)
>
> -- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again,
> Cabral?)
>
> --who else is included?
>
>
>
>
>
> Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I
> correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is
> written in the priest's hand.
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a
> lot.
>
>
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
>
>
>
> Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
> Marriage Record
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Researching
>
> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada,
> later Hawaii and California
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested for Bride's Family

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Sam and Cheri, you rock.   Granddaughter makes sense!Thank you so much.
 (The oops really helped... I’ll put that on my cheat sheet.   And I hoped
the father of the groom hadn’t died in a ghastly alley murder.)

There is a Cabral ancestor which we were looking for.

Debbie





On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 9:23 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Page 2:
> 1)  he of the age of twenty and three ye-
> 2) ars, (years is hyphenanted), single, worker, son legitimate of Jose Luiz
> 3) already died, and of Anna da Conceicao, grandson pa-
> 4) ternal of Luiz de Sousa and Marianna de Pimentel,
> 5) and maternal of Antonio de Sousa, and Maria da
> 6) Conceicao dig. (for digo - basically, oops, properly, I mean to say)
> Encarnacao, living on Beco
> 7) do Medonho  Umm, yeah, Google Translate says Hideous Alley.
> Hideous, Ghastly ... I'd find another street or petition to have the street
> name changed!
>
> Continuing on line 7:
> 7) do Medonho, *and she* of age of twenty and one years,
> 8) single, living on Canada das Figueidas.
>
> Your questions (you missed the "e ella" on line 7):
> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?) YES
> -- Paternal grandDAUGHTER of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (BRIDE)
> -- Maternal grandDAUGHTER of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (BRIDE)
> --who else is included? A witness named Francisco Jeronimo Velho de Mello
> -- Am I correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like
> his name is written in the priest's hand. Correct.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:19 PM Jesse Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have previously figured out the *groom's family *from the very
>> complete family list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao
>> Miguel.  I was so excited about the names and the first indication that the
>> LUIZ surname was taken from a father's first name, that I never finished!
>> Now I have hit a stumbling block.
>>
>> My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help
>> translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In
>> trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco
>> do Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a
>> specific place.
>>
>>
>> Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't
>> tell where the* bride's family* begins or is she even included at all?
>> I felt that it may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out
>> and it continues with info I can't quite get:
>>
>> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
>> -- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of
>> Cabral?)
>> -- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again,
>> Cabral?)
>> --who else is included?
>>
>>
>> Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I
>> correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is
>> written in the priest's hand.
>>
>> Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a
>> lot.
>>
>> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>>
>>
>> Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
>> Marriage Record
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Researching
>> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta
>> Delgada, later Hawaii and California
>> 2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help RequestedforBride's Family

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Whoops, I see now that Cheri already answered you on this.  Excuse me please 
for butting in.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 11:43 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help 
RequestedforBride's Family

Debbie;  I see; he of he age of 23, single, peasant, legitimate son of Jose 
Luis, now dead, and Ana da Concecao, paternal grandparents, Luis de Sousa and 
Marianna de Pimentel, maternal of Antonio de Sousa and Maria da Concecao, I 
mean (digo) da Encarcecao, residents of Becodo Medonho (not at all sure of the 
spelling there) she, (the bride) of the age of 21 years, single, resident of 
Figueidas (spelling again) legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and of Theresa 
Julia, (women didn’t use surnames in this period) paternal grandparents, Joao 
de Sousa and Maria Joaquina, maternal Francisco de Pereira and Maria Magdelina, 
baptized in the parochial church of Our Lady of Deliverance (Nossa Senhora da 
Livramento), of the same place and he in San Rogue in the same place (in other 
words on the same island), where they were released from the last 3 lenten 
obligations ( the rest is pretty much boiler plate about them being pronounced 
man and wife and it being recorded, etc. and the witnesses names, etc.

Hope this helps and hope if I’ve gone wrong with spelling or anything, someone 
more knowledgeable will correct me.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Jesse Mendonca
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 8:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested 
forBride's Family

Hello,

I have previously figured out the groom's family from the very complete family 
list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I was so 
excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ surname was 
taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I have hit a 
stumbling block.

My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help 
translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In 
trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco do 
Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a specific 
place.


Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't tell 
where the bride's family begins or is she even included at all?  I felt that it 
may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out and it continues 
with info I can't quite get:

-- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
-- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of Cabral?)
-- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again, Cabral?)
--who else is included?


Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I correct in 
seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is written in the 
priest's hand.

Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a lot.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca


Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
Marriage Record



Researching
1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada, 
later Hawaii and California
2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested forBride's Family

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Debbie;  I see; he of he age of 23, single, peasant, legitimate son of Jose 
Luis, now dead, and Ana da Concecao, paternal grandparents, Luis de Sousa and 
Marianna de Pimentel, maternal of Antonio de Sousa and Maria da Concecao, I 
mean (digo) da Encarcecao, residents of Becodo Medonho (not at all sure of the 
spelling there) she, (the bride) of the age of 21 years, single, resident of 
Figueidas (spelling again) legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and of Theresa 
Julia, (women didn’t use surnames in this period) paternal grandparents, Joao 
de Sousa and Maria Joaquina, maternal Francisco de Pereira and Maria Magdelina, 
baptized in the parochial church of Our Lady of Deliverance (Nossa Senhora da 
Livramento), of the same place and he in San Rogue in the same place (in other 
words on the same island), where they were released from the last 3 lenten 
obligations ( the rest is pretty much boiler plate about them being pronounced 
man and wife and it being recorded, etc. and the witnesses names, etc.

Hope this helps and hope if I’ve gone wrong with spelling or anything, someone 
more knowledgeable will correct me.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Jesse Mendonca
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 8:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested 
forBride's Family

Hello,

I have previously figured out the groom's family from the very complete family 
list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I was so 
excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ surname was 
taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I have hit a 
stumbling block.

My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help 
translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In 
trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco do 
Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a specific 
place.


Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't tell 
where the bride's family begins or is she even included at all?  I felt that it 
may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out and it continues 
with info I can't quite get:

-- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
-- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of Cabral?)
-- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again, Cabral?)
--who else is included?


Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I correct in 
seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is written in the 
priest's hand.

Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a lot.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca


Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
Marriage Record



Researching
1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada, 
later Hawaii and California
2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Sharon and Kathy,

My understanding is that the people of the Iberian peninsula had contact
with North Africa and the countries and islands in the Mediterranean.
There would have been interbreeding of course.

Using FTDNA you get the cM of the segment length of shared DNA.  I think
comparing the matches  from there would help give some idea of whether
other families have the same thing and perhaps how recent the  matches are.


Does FTDNA have a function that shows the origin countries of matches?
Something like Ancestries?   I haven’t found it.

In closing, my husband‘s DNA origins keep changing and fine tuning as it
gets more users to compare to.   His earlier ITALIAN is gone and more
Iberian Peninsula is the result.   I suspect a “full” Italian would have
similar changes.  We haven’t found any links to the small but significant
bit of European he has.  His grandfather (1869-1947) born on São Miguel was
quite tall and does not look very Portuguese.   We thought we would find a
hint by now.

Your thoughts?

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Sharon
>
> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little
> bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from
> the Iberian Peninsula.
>
> Kathy
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> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
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> 
> Hello all,
>
> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
> much.
>
> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
> my ancestors.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested for Bride's Family

[Cheri Mello]

Page 2:
1)  he of the age of twenty and three ye-
2) ars, (years is hyphenanted), single, worker, son legitimate of Jose Luiz
3) already died, and of Anna da Conceicao, grandson pa-
4) ternal of Luiz de Sousa and Marianna de Pimentel,
5) and maternal of Antonio de Sousa, and Maria da
6) Conceicao dig. (for digo - basically, oops, properly, I mean to say)
Encarnacao, living on Beco
7) do Medonho  Umm, yeah, Google Translate says Hideous Alley. Hideous,
Ghastly ... I'd find another street or petition to have the street name
changed!

Continuing on line 7:
7) do Medonho, *and she* of age of twenty and one years,
8) single, living on Canada das Figueidas.

Your questions (you missed the "e ella" on line 7):
-- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?) YES
-- Paternal grandDAUGHTER of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (BRIDE)
-- Maternal grandDAUGHTER of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (BRIDE)
--who else is included? A witness named Francisco Jeronimo Velho de Mello
-- Am I correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his
name is written in the priest's hand. Correct.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:19 PM Jesse Mendonca 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have previously figured out the *groom's family *from the very complete
> family list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I
> was so excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ
> surname was taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I
> have hit a stumbling block.
>
> My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help
> translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In
> trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco
> do Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a
> specific place.
>
>
> Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't
> tell where the* bride's family* begins or is she even included at all?  I
> felt that it may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out
> and it continues with info I can't quite get:
>
> -- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
> -- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of
> Cabral?)
> -- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again,
> Cabral?)
> --who else is included?
>
>
> Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I
> correct in seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is
> written in the priest's hand.
>
> Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a
> lot.
>
> Debbie Shepherd Mendonca
>
>
> Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
> Marriage Record
> 
>
>
>
> Researching
> 1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada,
> later Hawaii and California
> 2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry.com data

[Gordon soares]

Hi Lisa:
send me your email and I’ll contact you.. I do HAVE FTM 2019 and I synch all 
the time but none of the dox seem to come through.
Gordon

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Lisa Harley  wrote:
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> Provided you have Family Tree Maker 2017 or 2019 versions, the following will 
> work.
> 
> Try syncing your Ancestry Tree with your Family Tree Maker and all the 
> documents will download and will be on your FTM software.  Be sure to back up 
> your FTM beforehand. You may need to select an option for that.
> 
> If it does not work because you are not a current Ancestry subscriber, then 
> you may have to join for their minimum time frame and then discontinue it.
> 
> 
> 
> Feel free to contact me if you need help.
> 
> Lisa Caetano Harley
> 
> 
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 at 10:17:39 AM UTC-8, gs...@centurylink.net wrote:
> I no longer use Ancestry.com as my primary genealogy program; instead I use 
> Family Tree Maker. 
> I didn’t know that all the source documents on Ancestry is considered theirs 
> and so I no longer can put that data into FTM. Cheri says she just copies the 
> data from Ancestry but I’m finding each time I try I get a solicitation to 
> rejoin Ancestry and pay. Even if successful at copying it will take a lot of 
> work to look at 17,000 entries on Ancestry and copy them to FTM. 
> Does anyone have a way to get Ancestry data onto their computer and into 
> another genealogy program? I’m surprised it doesn’t happen when I do a gedcom 
> from Ancestry to FTM. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

[Cheri Mello]

Sharon R,

The only Portuguese-Italians are the ones who have a parent (or
grandparent) who was Portuguese or Italian. So it's a known person from
that country. As Kathy said, the Iberian Peninsula is mainly Spain and
Portugal.  Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:52 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sharon
>
> The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little
> bit of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from
> the Iberian Peninsula.
>
> Kathy
>
> *
> Sent to you from my iPhone
> *
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Sharon Reif  wrote:
>
> 
> Hello all,
>
> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very
> much.
>
> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that
> link our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?
> My DNA shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really
> far back in time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern
> Europe (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle
> East (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the
> conquering armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with
> my ancestors.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth date help

[Liz Migliori]

Hi Monica

I’m going to have to go back and track what this was about.  Since it’s from 
March and my memory is getting old.   So much has happened in my life since 
then. I’m in the process of moving and much of my work is packed. I hope I have 
notes somewhere in my computer.  

I will get back to you soon

Liz

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> Hello Liz, 
> 
> Thereza is my 1st cousin 3x removed. I have help you with that line.
> 
> Thanks
> Monica
> 
>> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 5:46:38 PM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote:
>> What does it mean when it says that they were born on the predicted day?
>> Does that mean they were born and baptized on the same day?
>> 
>> Thx
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

['Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy]

Sharon

The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little bit 
of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from the 
Iberian Peninsula.

Kathy

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> Hello all,
> 
> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very much.
> 
> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that link 
> our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?  My DNA 
> shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really far back in 
> time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern Europe 
> (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle East 
> (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the conquering 
> armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with my ancestors.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestry.com data

[Lisa Harley]

Gordon,

Provided you have Family Tree Maker 2017 or 2019 versions, the following 
will work.

Try syncing your Ancestry Tree with your Family Tree Maker and all the 
documents will download and will be on your FTM software.  Be sure to back 
up your FTM beforehand. You may need to select an option for that.

If it does not work because you are not a current Ancestry subscriber, then 
you may have to join for their minimum time frame and then discontinue it.



Feel free to contact me if you need help.

Lisa Caetano Harley


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> I no longer use Ancestry.com as my primary genealogy program; instead I 
> use Family Tree Maker. 
> I didn’t know that all the source documents on Ancestry is considered 
> theirs and so I no longer can put that data into FTM. Cheri says she just 
> copies the data from Ancestry but I’m finding each time I try I get a 
> solicitation to rejoin Ancestry and pay. Even if successful at copying it 
> will take a lot of work to look at 17,000 entries on Ancestry and copy them 
> to FTM. 
> Does anyone have a way to get Ancestry data onto their computer and into 
> another genealogy program? I’m surprised it doesn’t happen when I do a 
> gedcom from Ancestry to FTM. 
> Gordon 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives p

['Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy]

Monica,  
Thank you for the generous offer. As Cheri Mello mentioned in an earlier email 
to me (see below), the DNA doesn't show a connection; but that far back, it 
doesn't mean I am not related to the Paiva line.  I was following up on an 
email from my cousin Maria Sue Luna (see below) to Nelia, stating that a match 
is likely on Maria's (our) Martins Correia Bettencourt line.  
If you are willing to share info, I gladly would examine a paper trail.  While 
not proficient in Portuguese, I am able to pick out a lot of the key info in 
genealogy documents. 
Deb


When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! 

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 09:22:34 PM PST, 'Monica C' via Azores 
Genealogy  wrote:  
 
 DBM, 
I have mapped out the Paiva's in capelas as far as the records go up to. We are 
probably a match as well.
To confirm a paper trail, you  will need to locate information/dates before 
1911. Is that an issue for you?
Hope to hear from you.
Monica  :)


On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 11:52:30 PM UTC-5, DBM wrote:
Thanks Cheri !
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! 

On Friday, December 6, 2019, 10:27:20 AM PST, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Deb,
You log into your page and type Nelia's name in the search box:
I'll save you some time. Nelia did not turn up on your match list.

You can match on paper and not with DNA. Sometimes 2 individuals do not inherit 
enough DNA to be reported as a match.
Hope this helps, Cheri

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:

Hi Luna, Does Nelia match with me? (Asking here because I don't have her kit 
#).  If so,  it should be the Martins side of your tree.Deb

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  On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:11 PM, lunamarc wrote:   Hi Nelia,
I have the wrong line but now that I have narrowed it down. We are most likely 
related on my Martins/Correia/Bettencourt line. 
Let me know if either of these come up on your tree.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
Hi Maria,
I’ve uploaded my kit to gedmatch as well. 
Let’s see if we match. 
Nelia 
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:46 PM lunamarc  wrote:

Hi Nelia,
I have a good feeling about this one. I believe we are related through my 
Grandmother who still has cousins in Feitera with connections to Capelas based 
on some hints I found. I have yet to upload this cousin's info to Gedmatch and 
I'm going to do it now. 
Maria

On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 10:54:08 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
Hi there,
I’m from Capelas and my father who is 78 has a very very sharp memory.  If you 
have any info on your parents if they lived in Capelas then I can ask him about 
your family etc and he may be able to remember something about your 
grandparents my grandfather was born in 1913 so your ancestors are younger 
which would probably mean that my father may remember them. 
In Capelas everyone pretty much knew one another. 
Regards,
Nelia. 
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:03 PM Horace Mello  wrote:

Good afternoon everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information on my 
father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i found in 
an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much information, I 
was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out any information 
about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links to databases, 
pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete a picture of where 
I came from.
Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I joined 
just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who proceeded me.  
Thank you.
This is what I have for names: 
Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he was the 
son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother of the late 
Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something please 
share!



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA question to ponder

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

E. Sharp,

I’m with you, at 64!   The breakdown isn’t quite as simple as that when you
are half if your parent’s DNA doesn’t come from a 100% parent.My
husband shows about 87%.  Our 4 kids ended up battling over who was the
MOST Portuguese. The one who looks most like him with the most shared
personality traits actually had less than her sister!   It all depends on
how her dad’s DNA recombined onto the X chromosome she received.

That doesn’t help on your question.I suspect that it would depend on
the number of total cM shared AND the length of the longest shared strand.
The shared lengths decrease over generations from the way DNA is passed.
Ancestry doesn’t give longest length.

Did your show ever give an answer?

Debbie
PS- I get testy if Starbucks writes Debra on my cup, so I pronounce it
Deb-OOO-rah when I order!

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> At 83 I try.   Sorry Cheri.
> “E”
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> Who is Cheryl?
> Cheri Mello
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>> Cheryl and others.  Here is something to ponder.I will use Cheryl as
>> an example as I believe her dad was half Portuguese and her mom none.  If
>> her dad is half, Cheryl would be 1/4?? Portuguese, assuming all of the
>> following married non Portuguese,  if Cheryl had a child, it would be 1/8??
>> Portuguese, if that child had a child it would be 1/16?? Portuguese...at
>> what point would Portuguese be eliminated from showing up any DNA??
>>
>> Watching an interesting sort of gnome  program and wondered about this.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA question to ponder

[E. Sharp]

At 83 I try.   Sorry Cheri.  
“E”

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> Who is Cheryl?
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:26 PM E. Sharp  wrote:
>> Cheryl and others.  Here is something to ponder.I will use Cheryl as an 
>> example as I believe her dad was half Portuguese and her mom none.  If her 
>> dad is half, Cheryl would be 1/4?? Portuguese, assuming all of the following 
>> married non Portuguese,  if Cheryl had a child, it would be 1/8?? 
>> Portuguese, if that child had a child it would be 1/16?? Portuguese...at 
>> what point would Portuguese be eliminated from showing up any DNA??  
>> 
>> Watching an interesting sort of gnome  program and wondered about this. 
>> 
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